Community Council Log 20100812
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IRC Log 2010-08-12
- Supposed start time: 18:30 UTC
- Location: IRC
Council Members
Attendees
- Andreas Bartel (Andreas_UX)
- Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
- Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
- Eike Rathke (erAck)
- Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
- Stefan Taxhet (stx12)
- Olivier Hallot (olivierhallot)
Absent
- Charles-H. Schulz
- Louis Suárez-Potts
- Matthias Hütsch
Log
Times are in CEST (UTC+2)
| 20:52 | jsc | ok, let us start with the official meeting |
| 20:52 | jsc | The minutes from the last meeting can be found under http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Minutes#2010-07-22 |
| 20:53 | jsc | do you all agree and accept the minutes from the last meeting? |
| 20:53 | Andreas_UX | I do |
| 20:53 | stx12 | ok |
| 20:53 | olivierhallot | +1 |
| 20:53 | Andreas_UX | by the way, can someone add me to the mailing list |
| 20:53 | Andreas_UX | or tell me how to do that myself |
| 20:54 | stx12 | i'll add you |
| 20:54 | jsc | 2010-03-04#2: Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes -> Louis |
| 20:54 | jsc | Louis is not here today, so i expect no update. |
| 20:54 | Andreas_UX | thx stephan |
| 20:54 | olivierhallot | he already started somthing in the NLC list |
| 20:55 | jsc | 2010-03-04#3 : Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings -> Juergen |
| 20:55 | jsc | ah ok thanks, but i would be nice if he would update the status in our agenda. I will remind him. |
| 20:56 | jsc | i have updated the status in the agenda ... |
| 20:56 | jsc | i have changed the name according the voting on the list and have added a template for a reminder email. |
| 20:57 | jsc | well the template could be changed or improved if necessary. I kept it simple. |
| 20:57 | jsc | i think this AI is done now. |
| 20:58 | jsc | any feedback? |
| 20:58 | stx12 | sounds good; i forgot about the schedule for this slot - every second cc meeting? |
| 20:58 | Andreas_UX | what about timing? Did we come to an agreement? |
| 20:59 | jsc | yes, that was the idea. The next would be in Budapest. |
| 20:59 | erAck | jsc: where is the template? |
| 20:59 | Andreas_UX | this one http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines/Public_Invitation_Reminder_Template |
| 20:59 | Andreas_UX | ? |
| 20:59 | jsc | it's a link under the related section in the meeting guidelines |
| 21:00 | * | stx12 thinks the item is done |
| 21:00 | jsc | i think the timeline was the first 30 min of our regular meeting. Please correct me if i am wrong |
| 21:01 | jsc | i can add a further sentence in the guidelines to make the timeline clear |
| 21:01 | jsc | it's a minor change. I am still thinking that it is done |
| 21:01 | jsc | next ... |
| 21:02 | jsc | 2010-03-04#6: Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit -> Cor |
| 21:02 | jsc | it's stalled ... |
| 21:02 | Andreas_UX | ok |
| 21:03 | Andreas_UX | can someone explain to me what this AI is all about? |
| 21:03 | Andreas_UX | thanks! |
| 21:03 | Andreas_UX | any specific focus? |
| 21:03 | jsc | 2010-04-01#7: Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter -> Charles |
| 21:03 | jsc | again, i expect no update because Charles is not here today. Does anybody else want to add something |
| 21:03 | stx12 | i think it's easier to explain this in a face2face meeting. |
| 21:04 | jsc | sorry, mmh yes but maybe we can discuss this in Budapest in detail. |
| 21:04 | -!- | christoph_n has joined #ooocouncil |
| 21:04 | jsc | yes i agree to Stefan on this point |
| 21:04 | Andreas_UX | i am ok with that |
| 21:04 | christoph_n | Sorry, I know I'm late :-( |
| 21:04 | olivierhallot | ok for me. |
| 21:05 | jsc | 2010-04-01#1: Community situation -> all |
| 21:05 | erAck | jsc: as 2010-04-01#7 says "This month the Hungarian team ..." we might at least update the Last Update date. |
| 21:05 | jsc | any updates |
| 21:06 | jsc | erAck: i will remind Charles to update it |
| 21:07 | jsc | i think this AI is one for Budapest as well. Cor send an email today with some points he want to discuss ... |
| 21:07 | jsc | this AI = 2010-04-01#1 |
| 21:08 | jsc | anyway, anybody who wants to add something here and today? |
| 21:08 | erAck | I think that's best done face2face. |
| 21:08 | jsc | ok, next |
| 21:08 | christoph_n | Yes. |
| 21:09 | Andreas_UX | hi christoph! |
| 21:09 | christoph_n | Hi all! |
| 21:09 | jsc | 2010-04-29#2: scrolling, scrolling ... -> Missing OOo desktop presence -> Christoph, Stefan |
| 21:09 | stx12 | hi |
| 21:09 | olivierhallot | me too I have to bring an issue here... |
| 21:09 | christoph_n | Again, sorry for missing the first half hour ... |
| 21:10 | stx12 | no change since the last update Andreas_UX gave |
| 21:10 | christoph_n | Stefan, concerning this AI, did you get any update by Michael? Or, Andreas, is there any news? |
| 21:10 | jsc | no problem , you got 4 new AI's |
| 21:10 | christoph_n | jsc: only 4? ;-) |
| 21:10 | Andreas_UX | since the last chat, nothing really happend. at least nothing I know of |
| 21:11 | Andreas_UX | I am still expecting marketing to go public with their decision and ellaborate a bit |
| 21:11 | christoph_n | There have been some questions on the releases list. Some guessed there might be holiday time... |
| 21:11 | Andreas_UX | it really is |
| 21:11 | Andreas_UX | holiday time |
| 21:12 | jsc | we should ask marketing to come as soon as possible with an update -> AI owners??? |
| 21:13 | christoph_n | Who is responsible here? Rosana? |
| 21:13 | stx12 | christoph_n: she is involved but depends on others. and is on vacation... |
| 21:13 | Andreas_UX | Rosana is the communication channel, yes |
| 21:14 | Andreas_UX | I'd guess at least |
| 21:14 | christoph_n | So pinging here doesn't make sense at the moment? |
| 21:14 | stx12 | not for a week. |
| 21:14 | jsc | can we expect something for Budapest? |
| 21:14 | Andreas_UX | I am. However, not sure about that. |
| 21:15 | stx12 | i would hope so; rosana has a talk about the topic anyway. |
| 21:15 | christoph_n | Ah, I didn't knew that. Maybe this could be added to the AI comments (I'll do that), if anybody has questions and may need some reference. |
| 21:16 | jsc | at least an update that it will take some more time would be a good one ;-) |
| 21:16 | stx12 | http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 |
| 21:16 | christoph_n | Well, the AI is already from end of April. I know, a rather young one (looking at the others), but nevertheless... |
| 21:17 | christoph_n | stx: "<!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> " :-) |
| 21:17 | jsc | with me as the CCC we will work on AI's :-) |
| 21:17 | -!- | CorNouws has joined #ooocouncil |
| 21:17 | christoph_n | jsc: :-))) |
| 21:17 | christoph_n | Hi Cor! |
| 21:17 | CorNouws | HI christoph_n, all |
| 21:18 | erAck | hi! |
| 21:18 | Andreas_UX | hey Core! |
| 21:18 | stx12 | hi cor; just in time to say goodbye ;-) |
| 21:18 | jsc | hi Cor, bye Cor we are already done ;-) |
| 21:18 | jsc | ok not really, do you want to share anything with us? |
| 21:18 | CorNouws | Sorry I missed some - prolly the most essetial part ot evening |
| 21:19 | CorNouws | jsc: Ah, not so much on the agenda? |
| 21:19 | jsc | did you finished the work on your floor? |
| 21:19 | * | erAck proposes to run a quick update on 2010-03-04#6, if there is any. |
| 21:19 | stx12 | just a heads up for CorNouws and christoph_n: the CC meeting is scheduled for tuesday 1600 and we plan to have dinner afterwards |
| 21:19 | CorNouws | partly ... have cleaned half of it, have to dry, new oil later this evening, and the second half tomorrow |
| 21:20 | CorNouws | stx12: great :-) where will the meeting be? |
| 21:20 | jsc | cor: sounds good and will make your family happy |
| 21:20 | stx12 | i talked to the organizers (peter); we will have a room at the university. |
| 21:21 | CorNouws | and since I am part of my family ;-) |
| 21:21 | christoph_n | stx12: Thanks!!! |
| 21:21 | erAck | CorNouws: sure? ;-) |
| 21:21 | jsc | stx12: i assume you will inform us in time with the details |
| 21:21 | stx12 | jsc: yes |
| 21:21 | CorNouws | OK, I will mail peter too, since we need three/four rooms close, for the various meetings, so that people are able to attend two at the same time |
| 21:22 | * | stx12 hopes that we will not feel like on a main station in the cc meeting |
| 21:23 | jsc | i would say we are done with the official meeting for today |
| 21:23 | Andreas_UX | seems to :-) |
| 21:23 | Andreas_UX | so |
| 21:23 | erAck | we skipped one AI, Cor, any news on 2010-03-04#6 Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit |
| 21:23 | CorNouws | stx12: I'll try to get other project plan their meetings at diferent times, slots so to say |
| 21:23 | olivierhallot | I have to bring an issue... |
| 21:24 | jsc | by the way, has anybody of you logged the meeting? I forgot it :-( |
| 21:24 | stx12 | olivierhallot: go ahead |
| 21:24 | Andreas_UX | shoot olivier |
| 21:24 | jsc | o sorry Olivier, please go ahead ... |
| 21:24 | erAck | jsc: my continuous log should be running. |
| 21:24 | olivierhallot | shooting... it is the new Broffice.org brand, comming closer to OO new brand... |
| 21:25 | olivierhallot | please look at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113843 |
| 21:25 | olivierhallot | I am uploading the files |
| 21:25 | CorNouws | erAck: no news on that, still same status |
| 21:25 | olivierhallot | we request to update the logo on the new release |
| 21:26 | stx12 | so you are looking for a contact that helps you to integrate the change? |
| 21:26 | CorNouws | olivierhallot: not that it really matters: but looks very good to me. And indeed, coming closer to. |
| 21:27 | olivierhallot | sort of. We are submitting this new brand design for approval of the CC. |
| 21:31 | stx12 | to me the design looks ok; have you heard any feedback from the branding list? |
| 21:31 | erAck | um.. is the CC in the position to approve a brand design? |
| 21:31 | CorNouws | Do they have a branding list in Brazil too? |
| 21:32 | CorNouws | erAck: IIRC, the cc decided about the special position of the BrOffice.org brand |
| 21:32 | christoph_n | erAck: For OOo, I would be sure that we speak for the community. For the BrOffice.org, I simply don't know. |
| 21:32 | olivierhallot | we have not a local lists but it was a decision of consensus among our NGO members |
| 21:32 | christoph_n | Especially since we didn't "approve" the OOo logo ... |
| 21:33 | CorNouws | so it is correct, or at least very polite, that Olivier/Br.Office ask the CC |
| 21:33 | Andreas_UX | �indeed good point |
| 21:33 | christoph_n | CorNouws: Correct. |
| 21:34 | christoph_n | From my side, if it goes well with the OOo logo, I recommend to use it. If the BrOffice.org community comes to another decision, it is their right to optimize the branding for their region (my personal thoughts). |
| 21:34 | christoph_n | By the way: This doesn't make sense only, if we get a trademark policy for the new logo that finally works! |
| 21:35 | christoph_n | (I mean the OOo logo) |
| 21:35 | olivierhallot | Christoph: we, as BrOffice.org, consider ourselves as OpenOffice.org in Brazil. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| 21:35 | stx12 | yes, the status of broffice.org/openoffice.org is still in discussion |
| 21:35 | christoph_n | oliverhallot: I know :-) But you did excellent work to grow BrOffice.org in your region ... so how should I be able to decide something like that? ;-) |
| 21:36 | stx12 | and so i think an update of the broffice.org design as proposed by olivierhallot is appropriate |
| 21:36 | CorNouws | olivierhallot: Yes, you expplained some time before (on a mil list?) the situation that it is not easy to change to OpenOffice.org in Brazil, because of the strong current brand, although legaly it woudl be possible now. Did I understand that correct? |
| 21:37 | jsc | olivier: sure and the Brazil community did a very good job ... |
| 21:37 | CorNouws | stx12: +1 |
| 21:37 | jsc | +1 |
| 21:38 | olivierhallot | Cor: exact. Thanks to Stephan recent mail to us with the Court decision, we have already a clear "legal" explanation. But market is another story. |
| 21:40 | stx12 | olivierhallot: i think we have to continue the evaluation of the legal aspects. as soon as we have this clarfied we should talk about the long term route. |
| 21:40 | stx12 | but in the meantime it makes sense that broffice follows the OpenOffice.org brand refresh |
| 21:41 | christoph_n | stx12: Stefan, if the community cannot safely use the OOo logo, does it make sense to integrate the new BrOffice.org logo? |
| 21:42 | olivierhallot | stx12: I am sure we will have time to talk about that in Budapest |
| 21:42 | stx12 | that's what i mean with follow the brand refresh; use the logo as proposed by olivierhallot that is close to the new design |
| 21:42 | stx12 | olivierhallot: yes, I'm looking forward to this. |
| 21:42 | Andreas_UX | I would support that |
| 21:43 | christoph_n | Mmmh, I don't get it. |
| 21:44 | Andreas_UX | what do you mean chris? |
| 21:44 | Andreas_UX | maybe I don't get that too ;-) |
| 21:44 | christoph_n | So I understand that it is desired to let BrOffice.org follow the brand refresh ... |
| 21:45 | christoph_n | ... this makes sense if the new logo is accepted and there is a clear policy how to use it. Otherwise ... |
| 21:45 | CorNouws | christoph_n: ... |
| 21:45 | CorNouws | what logo do we see in OpenOffice.org ? |
| 21:45 | christoph_n | ... it would make less sense. And here, it seems that we don't have the appropriate Trademark Policy. |
| 21:46 | christoph_n | So, if there is no clear idea for the community how to use the new OOo logo, why join the effort. |
| 21:46 | jsc | the proposed brand from Olivier for now. Ongoing discussion if the brand BrOffice.org can be moved into OpenOffice.org in a smooth and well prepared transition + a good and also well prepared marketing campaign ... |
| 21:47 | stx12 | i would not block olivier's activity by creating this dependency. |
| 21:48 | christoph_n | stx12: I don't want to block it. It is just a matter of being aware of it ... here we talk about months of waiting. |
| 21:48 | CorNouws | I see no special problem for the new BrOo logo. It can be used in the product just as the OOO new logo. And the policy will foolow soon. |
| 21:48 | jsc | sure not directly but it good be a way for the future if all agree |
| 21:48 | stx12 | i will follow up on the usage question in the next days. and basically it doesn't change anything for the broffice team. |
| 21:48 | christoph_n | stx12: That would be great. There is real demand to get this clarified. |
| 21:48 | CorNouws | oops s/OOO/OOo ;-) |
| 21:49 | christoph_n | CorNouws: ;-) |
| 21:49 | stx12 | christoph_n: yes, i'm aware of that |
| 21:50 | christoph_n | Okay, thanks! |
| 21:51 | jsc | to summarize it ... |
| 21:51 | jsc | we all accept the proposal from Olivier |
| 21:51 | jsc | |
| 21:51 | Andreas_UX | yes |
| 21:51 | Andreas_UX | i do |
| 21:51 | erAck | +1 |
| 21:51 | CorNouws | ok |
| 21:51 | stx12 | ok |
| 21:51 | olivierhallot | Gentlemen, thank you very much indeed. |
| 21:51 | jsc | anything else for today? |
| 21:52 | * | CorNouws my floor ... |
| 21:52 | christoph_n | +1 (by considering to the comments above) |
| 21:52 | christoph_n | CorNouws: flOOor |
| 21:52 | Andreas_UX | you're funny today ;-) |
| 21:52 | olivierhallot | Just a practical note: to whom should I assign this branding issue? |
| 21:53 | * | christoph_n is always funny :-) |
| 21:53 | CorNouws | :-D |
| 21:53 | stx12 | i think it need a bit more work; i guess we'll need exact replacements for the files. |
| 21:54 | stx12 | those affected like splash... |
| 21:54 | CorNouws | think I have to leave - erAck: can you pls send me the log (of the first part)? |
| 21:54 | erAck | CorNouws: I'll do. |
| 21:54 | stx12 | i'll see who can guide you there... |
| 21:54 | CorNouws | thnks all & bye bye |
| 21:55 | Andreas_UX | I will join you Core ;-) |
| 21:55 | jsc | bye Cor |
| 21:55 | erAck | bye |
| 21:55 | olivierhallot | bye |
| 21:55 | christoph_n | Bye Cor, bye Andreas! |
| 21:55 | Andreas_UX | Have a good one everybody! |
| 21:55 | -!- | CorNouws has left #ooocouncil [] |
| 21:55 | -!- | Andreas_UX has quit [Quit: Andreas_UX] |
| 21:55 | olivierhallot | bye all! |
| 21:56 | -!- | olivierhallot has left #ooocouncil [] |
| 21:56 | christoph_n | Okay, then I'll update the AI ... thanks to all and have a nice evening! |
URIs mentioned
- Community_Council/Minutes#2010-07-22 (jsc 20:52)
- Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines/Public_Invitation_Reminder_Template (Andreas_UX 20:59)
- http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 (stx12 21:16)
- http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113843 (olivierhallot 21:25)
