Renaissance:Status Meetings:2010-05-31

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Meeting Details

• 2010-05-31, 4:03 PM CET
• IRC details: irc.freenode.net #ux.openoffice.org

In Attendance

• Christoph Lukasiak (IRC: clu_sun)
• Dave Richard (IRC: dave_largo)
• Andreas Bartel (IRC: Andreas_Sun)
• Frank Loehmann (IRC: frankl)

Christoph Noack (IRC: christoph_n)

Agenda

• Round Table

Round Table

• see IRC log

IRC Log

(4:07:33 PM) mode (+o frankl) by ChanServ
(4:07:33 PM) frankl: Hi!
(4:07:42 PM) clu_sun [~cl114686@nat/sun/x-cvmfucktgxgrkcuo] entered the room.
(4:07:44 PM) andreas_sun: Moin Frank
(4:07:51 PM) frankl: Hi Andreas!
(4:07:55 PM) andreas_sun: Moin clu
(4:08:02 PM) clu_sun: moin andreas
(4:08:28 PM) andreas_sun: it took me some time to figure out how to forward phone here to berlin
(4:08:40 PM) andreas_sun: now it should work
(4:09:08 PM) frankl: OK
(4:09:49 PM) andreas_sun: I also found the Sun Office here. I will probably go there on Wednesday and Thursday
(4:09:56 PM) christoph_n [~christoph@HSI-KBW-095-208-215-154.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] entered the room.
(4:10:08 PM) frankl: Hi Christoph!
(4:10:10 PM) andreas_sun: hi christoph
(4:10:19 PM) christoph_n: Hi!
(4:10:36 PM) christoph_n: Did you already start?
(4:10:54 PM) andreas_sun: only some organizational issues
(4:11:15 PM) christoph_n: Okay, since I don't like issues ;-)
(4:12:05 PM) andreas_sun: so, how is it going?
(4:12:25 PM) andreas_sun: anything new?
(4:13:13 PM) frankl: I do not have too much for today. We will have our Renaissance status presentation for May on Thursday this week. Presentation will be published on Friday.
(4:13:54 PM) christoph_n: (I'm searching for a link...)
(4:14:05 PM) andreas_sun: great! how is better defaults going?
(4:15:12 PM) clu_sun: also great :)
(4:15:17 PM) andreas_sun: :-)
(4:15:22 PM) clu_sun: the first cws is opened
(4:15:35 PM) clu_sun: it will contain about 10 issues
(4:15:52 PM) clu_sun: about gridhandling and beyond
(4:16:14 PM) andreas_sun: ok. just a short update from my side
(4:17:15 PM) andreas_sun: I've enjoyed the UX Camp 2010 here in Berlin very much. tons of great presentations and great people. unfortunately I did not see a single presentation using OpenOffice.org
(4:17:41 PM) christoph_n: Off topic: Because all are using "Oracle Open Office"???
(4:17:49 PM) andreas_sun: :-)
(4:18:19 PM) andreas_sun: no, I got one. It was Jakub Franc from Prag, a Sun collegue :-)
(4:18:33 PM) andreas_sun: but he did not give a presentation :-(
(4:18:41 PM) clu_sun: we had a small ipad presentation today
(4:18:49 PM) christoph_n: Andreas, I think that is an important message. Maybe you should take the chance to communicate this within Sun / OOo community.
(4:18:51 PM) andreas_sun: nice!
(4:19:07 PM) christoph_n: Well, nice thing, isn't it?
(4:19:08 PM) andreas_sun: I wiil try to compile a blog post or something
(4:19:25 PM) christoph_n: andreas_sun: Did you see Elke Moritz from the LinuxTag?
(4:19:40 PM) andreas_sun: I saw his flyers but that's it
(4:20:02 PM) christoph_n: Okay, then I can tell a bit later. Just finish you topic :-)
(4:20:14 PM) andreas_sun: apropos iPad. many people at UX Camp had already one
(4:20:30 PM) clu_sun: i miss the keyboard
(4:20:35 PM) andreas_sun: unbelievable these early adopters
(4:20:53 PM) christoph_n: There had been a joke at the CHI last month: The highest density of iPads worldwide is in this conference room. I'm sure the speaker was right.
(4:21:04 PM) andreas_sun: it has one on the screen, a virtual one
(4:21:24 PM) clu_sun: rather not my taste :)
(4:21:30 PM) andreas_sun: lots of presentation were also already running on iPad
(4:22:01 PM) christoph_n: On this small screen??? ;-)
(4:22:15 PM) clu_sun: i already bought an 'ipad' with keyboard, called netbook :)
(4:22:59 PM) christoph_n: Something inverse ... it should be called netbooKi
(4:23:04 PM) andreas_sun: overall, ux folks still have a reserved attitude towards open source, community and UX
(4:23:51 PM) christoph_n: You already said that nobody used OOo there. I'm sure this is also true for other things like operating systems or open hardware.
(4:24:05 PM) clu_sun: i would guess the i is patented ;)
(4:24:15 PM) andreas_sun: sure. I only saw one guy using a netbook with ubuntu
(4:24:46 PM) christoph_n: Ubuntu, another topic I would like to add later. May I change the topic to LinuxTag?
(4:24:54 PM) andreas_sun: yes
(4:25:10 PM) christoph_n: Okay, as you may know I am going to the LinuxTag and presenting something on Saturday.
(4:25:20 PM) christoph_n: Well, "something" has still to be created, but ...
(4:26:02 PM) christoph_n: ... I had a very nice phone call with Björn from Apliki. We would like to bring together people who are interested in FOSS, Community and UX (see you comment, Andreas).
(4:26:37 PM) christoph_n: Well, I added another "workshop" (official wording) for an informal meeting during the LinuxTag. We want to invite everyone who is interested in the things mentioned above.
(4:27:07 PM) andreas_sun: good idea i think
(4:27:09 PM) christoph_n: Well, we are not quite sure about the schedule, but most probably Friday morning.
(4:27:20 PM) christoph_n: I already started a wiki page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Events/LinuxTag2010
(4:27:44 PM) christoph_n: So - if anybody is reading this who in fact is interested and attending the LinuxTag - add yourself. :-)
(4:28:18 PM) christoph_n: I also revised the wiki pages a bit to add another sub-structure "Events". I also put the last years "Usability Done Live" (OOo 2009) there.
(4:28:57 PM) christoph_n: That's it at the moment. I hope to announce this meeting in the next few days. Björn will do that for KDE, KOffice, OpenUsability. I will send this to some speakers who might have interest. That's it at the moment.
(4:29:14 PM) christoph_n: Next topics: Ubuntu, OOoCon 2010 :-)
(4:29:31 PM) christoph_n: Question up to now?
(4:29:35 PM) andreas_sun: not from me
(4:29:35 PM) christoph_n: (+s)
(4:30:08 PM) christoph_n: Ah, I missed something. Elke (from LinuxTag) is also interested in UX topics. I hope she will join the meeting.
(4:30:29 PM) christoph_n: She also told me that she wants to go to the UX Camp in Berlin ... so I had hoped that you will meet her.
(4:30:53 PM) christoph_n: Upcoming: Ubuntu. Okay?
(4:30:56 PM) andreas_sun: ok
(4:31:30 PM) christoph_n: I think it is somehow related to the current visual branding initiative and the "enjoyment" factor for Renaissance. Did anybody had a look at 10.04?
(4:31:57 PM) andreas_sun: no in real. just saw the Mac-like screenhots
(4:32:31 PM) christoph_n: I upgraded my system yesterday...
(4:32:43 PM) christoph_n: ... and I think I'll blog about my experience. In short...
(4:33:11 PM) christoph_n: The changed the overall appearance for this LTS (=long term support) release, but I think they messed some things up.
(4:33:46 PM) christoph_n: By adding some more visual pleasure, they totally ignored some usability aspects like readability of buttons (black on gray), ...
(4:34:16 PM) christoph_n: ... reducing the window border to 0 ... 1 px (try to resize your window horizontally and you will go crazy), ...
(4:34:39 PM) christoph_n: ... or minimizing the buttons for the window control (like close). It is absolutely hard to click it.
(4:35:31 PM) andreas_sun: very unfortunate
(4:35:50 PM) christoph_n: Funnily, I saw an issue in their issue tracker that claims a bad behavior. If a window is maximized, then you may accidentally click the button "close" if you click in the near of the screen edge. They claimed bad mouseover visualization, but they provided a patch to remove that behavior. Adieu Fitt's Law.
(4:36:43 PM) christoph_n: Finally, we should have a look at that ... it is great with regard to visual design, but they reduced everyday usability in a long-term release. Sigh.
(4:37:41 PM) andreas_sun: how is your presentation doing?
(4:37:42 PM) christoph_n: So we shouldn't repeat that mistake in Renaissance (just a reminder) or in the current re-branding initiative (which partly happened). Consequently, if you have the chance to look at it, please try it.
(4:38:16 PM) andreas_sun: I'll try it with vBox
(4:38:48 PM) christoph_n: As I said, the presentation is just a something. I'm currently building the new install sets to make the screenshots. But to be honest, there isn't much, because I did many (tiny but numerous) things for the Council :-(
(4:38:59 PM) andreas_sun left the room (quit: Quit: andreas_sun).
(4:39:00 PM) christoph_n: I'll keep you up to date with that.
(4:39:41 PM) frankl: One info for the road :-): The 'Renaissance2' CWS (the one about layout) is approved by QA and will be integrated soon.
(4:39:54 PM) andreas_sun [~andreas@g229044249.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the room.
(4:40:06 PM) christoph_n: frankl: Great!
(4:40:07 PM) andreas_sun: sorry my laltop jsut died
(4:41:54 PM) frankl: rotten apple? ;-)
(4:41:57 PM) christoph_n: Well, one last topic from my side: OOoCon 2010. At the moment I don't have any clue how I can help or whether we should work on a topic together.
(4:42:10 PM) christoph_n: frankl: He just wants an iPad ;-)
(4:42:13 PM) christoph_n: Cheap trick!!!
(4:42:30 PM) andreas_sun: got me :-)
(4:42:52 PM) christoph_n: No, everything okay now?
(4:43:16 PM) andreas_sun: regarding OOoCon 2010, I was asked to support Christian Lippka in a presentation
(4:43:43 PM) frankl: A presentation about Renaissance?
(4:43:45 PM) christoph_n: Is it clear who will be in Barcelona this year (in terms of UX team)?
(4:44:20 PM) andreas_sun: CL is supposed to give a Renaissance presentation from a Dev perspective
(4:44:28 PM) christoph_n: Oh no!!! ;-)
(4:44:32 PM) frankl: Barcelona was great but will not be the place to be for this years OOo Con :-)
(4:44:41 PM) christoph_n: Grrr, sorry. Wrong time.
(4:44:54 PM) christoph_n: You arrived in 2010: Budapest.
(4:45:26 PM) andreas_sun: but as I said, bespite the agreement that I will support him, there is nothing set
(4:45:44 PM) frankl: I do not know if I will be around this year in Budapest.
(4:46:09 PM) christoph_n: So is there any idea what we can present additionally? Well, Renaissance topics are not that small (I hope...).
(4:46:15 PM) christoph_n: frankl: :-(