Modularization/IRCLOGS/20090325.log
(16:01:19) kr (16:01:34) kr: good morning ... :-) (16:02:25) liutao: Morning (16:02:26) _ch_: guten tag... (16:02:43) kr: :-) (16:03:57) xiuzhi: moin (16:04:13) liutao: Agenda: (16:04:13) liutao: 1.Discuss the proposal. (16:04:13) liutao: 2.The work arrangement of this project. (16:04:13) liutao: 3.The Process of re new SPC. (16:04:29) kr: who wants to start? (16:05:09) liutao: 1.Discuss the proposal. (16:05:25) liutao: Just received your E mail. (16:05:55) liutao: What about the proposal?You said it is sounds good to you? (16:07:30) kr: Yes, the proposal sounds fine for me ... we may want to add some more examples on how a modularized OOo may look like, just to make it more easy for others to understand ... (16:07:59) liutao: kr:OK,Thank you. (16:08:46) kr: liutao: You are welcome :-) (16:09:05) liutao: kr:could you help me to modify the proposal? (16:09:39) kr: liutao: Yes, will do so (16:09:54) liutao: :) (16:09:58) xiuzhi: :) (16:10:25) kr: :) (16:11:49) liutao: 2.The work arrangement of this project. (16:13:12) kr: If I understood correctly, Cynthia and LiuTao are going to help with the modularization, right? (16:13:35) xiuzhi: kr: sure (16:13:57) kr: xiuzhi: From our side, it is more or less me and may be Ingo ... (16:15:53) kr: Ingo is the current owner of the SCP stuff ... and he is likely be the owner of the re-worked thing (16:16:36) xiuzhi: kr: OK. and mor or less me from our side . (16:17:17) kr: Sounds good :-) (16:18:45) kr: A while ago I created some pages in the OOo Wiki regarding packaging ... after finishing my current work, I am going to update these and to draft what I think where we should go with SCP, this will likely take a while (16:19:10) kr: here is the link: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Packaging respectively http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Efforts/Packaging (16:20:50) xiuzhi: kr:great (16:21:54) xiuzhi: kr: It seemed that we need some QA resource in the future (16:22:47) kr: xiuzhi: I hoped that this is covered by the regular OOo QA, or do you think of some dedicated people? (16:23:45) xiuzhi: kr: I heard that OOo QA resource is not enough . (16:24:15) kr: xiuzhi: What do you suggest than? (16:24:38) xiuzhi: kr: Maybe I can find some resouce from RF2000 QA team If there would be lots of CWSes need to test (16:25:10) kr: xiuzhi: That would indeed be great ... :) (16:27:09) liutao: If Cynthia and I am going to help with the modularization,What should we start with? (16:27:19) kr: Regarding the modularization, I think we should see if there are low hanging fruits, e.g. such as the headless-mode, which IMHO is not needed e.g. for a netbook build ... (16:27:54) xiuzhi: kr:+1 (16:28:08) kr: liutao: May be you could start with making "headless" configurable ? (16:29:21) kr: liutao: This should just be some changes in VCL and SCP2, I think ... (16:29:34) _ch_: kr: as I want to help to do something on scp2, is there anything i can start now? (16:30:35) xiuzhi: kr: what does the headless mean? (16:30:38) liutao: kr:What is your mean about the "headless" configurable ? (16:30:38) kr: _ch_: If you like to start with the "headless" stuff, we need to make scp2 aware of it being configurable ... (16:31:28) _ch_: we all don't understand what "headless" means to :( (16:31:30) kr: xiuzhi: "headless" means, that OOo may be started without a display, such that it can be used in "server mode" ... IMHO this is no use case e.g. for netbooks (16:32:18) kr: the "head" is the display -> "headless" means, no display :-) (16:32:33) xiuzhi: kr: aha, I see (16:33:45) kr: What do you think, we should start with? (16:33:59) liutao: kr:How do we know it is finished? if that is "headless-mode" (16:35:14) kr: liutao: There are some libraries (actually two I think), which are only needed for "headless" mode, we know that we are finished, if we can build installation sets without these libraries ... (16:36:34) _ch_: ok, then, would you give me more hint about "headless stuff " ? or how to find them? (16:37:33) _ch_: :) (16:37:39) liutao: kr:I see. (16:38:11) xiuzhi: Need we make some benchmarks to evaluate our achievements ,? (16:38:57) kr: _ch_: There is a module called "basebmp", this module delivers a library which is only needed for VCL to build a "headless" backend, removing this build dependency from VCL gives some errors while building VCL, this errors need than to be fixed within VCL, same happens in SCP2 ... (16:39:10) liutao: kr:OK,As Cynthia and xiuzhi said,could you give us more information include benchmarks or something else then we can start? (16:40:17) kr: xiuzhi: Yes, I think benchmarks would be a good thing :-) What kind of benchmarks should we use, may be installation size? (16:41:32) kr: xiuzhi: Do we want to archive the IRC logs somewhere, so that others can see what we discussed? (16:41:40) xiuzhi: kr: Size of install tarball and OOo size . Both , I think (16:42:11) xiuzhi: kr: Yes. we should IMHO (16:43:07) xiuzhi: _ch_: what do you think about the benchmark? (16:44:08) _ch_: Size of install tarball and OOo size . Both +1 (16:44:15) _ch_: :) (16:45:24) xiuzhi: kr: the user can download it faster if the tarbll is smaller. This size is less important than the size of OOo installed (16:46:14) xiuzhi: kr: maybe it should not be our focus (16:46:24) kr: xiuzhi: I think install set size and installed size go hand in hand anyway ... (16:48:16) kr: xiuzhi: There already is a somewhat aged page on modularization in the OOo wiki, we may want to re-use it and to discuss with Noel Power (the author of the page) where we are heading ... (16:48:19) xiuzhi: kr: sure. the size installed is enough for the first step (16:48:53) liutao: +1 (16:48:58) xiuzhi: kr: I saw them. Yes re-use is a good idea (16:50:08) kr: OK, seems that we are starting ... :) (16:51:37) kr: When do we want to send our incubator project proposal? I think it needs some time to allow people to comment ... and unfortunately I am currently quite busy with other stuff and I am on vacation next week ... so, what about sending it in two weeks? (16:53:01) xiuzhi: kr: OK. to be on vacation is a nice thing. (16:53:23) liutao: kr:vacation8-) (16:54:29) kr: Just some left over days from last year ... I think I am going to enjoy them :) (16:54:35) xiuzhi: kr: Liu tao and Qu can do start their work now. They can start from scp configure (16:55:39) xiuzhi: kr: and prepare some documents related to the project (16:55:59) kr: xiuzhi: OK. Don't hesitate to contact me, if you I think I can be of help ... (16:56:39) xiuzhi: kr: Would you like to show them your SCP prototype . They can do some warmup (16:58:10) kr: xiuzhi: I see if I find the time putting it somewhere ... (17:00:30) kr: Who is going to archive the log? Should we put it into the OOo Wiki, may somewhere under "Modularization" ? (17:01:31) liutao: kr:I will to do that (17:01:48) kr: liutao: Thank you! (17:02:34) kr: I suggest to meet again on IRC in two weeks, same time and same channel ... :) (17:02:37) xiuzhi: kr: we have ftp server. (17:02:48) liutao: kr:You are welcome.I think we should archive the log under "Modularization".could you give me the link? (17:03:20) kr: xiuzhi: Thanks! (17:03:35) xiuzhi: kr: but no power to delete it. only upload (17:03:51) kr: xiuzhi: OK (17:03:52) _ch_: kr: Do you have any suggestions on me to find out the headless stuff of scp? as I am not very clear about the modules dependency ... :) (17:04:39) kr: liutao: May be http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Modularization/IRCLOGS/20090325.log ? (17:04:52) xiuzhi: ftp.stardiv.de (17:04:53) xiuzhi: user: drop (17:04:53) xiuzhi: passwd: drop!20 (17:05:08) xiuzhi: kr: your ftp server is okay (17:05:09) liutao: kr:OK,good (17:05:27) xiuzhi: created by Martin H (17:06:44) kr: _ch_: Just try to build OOo without "basebmp", you get some errors in "VCL" and later on in "instsetoo_native", fixing these errors and making it dependent on a "configure" switch should do the job (17:06:58) _ch_: kr: as you show me , I can find "basebmp " in the dependency of vcl via vcl/prj/build.lst (17:07:39) _ch_: OK. thank you . :) (17:08:00) liutao: ok,shall we end this meeting? (17:08:04) xiuzhi: kr: let close the meeting. I know you are very busy (17:08:06) kr: _ch_: Exactly, "VCL" depends on "basebmp", and later on "instsetoo_native" on some VCL deliverables ... (17:08:28) kr: OK, talk to you in two weeks ... bye :-) (17:08:36) liutao: Bye. (17:08:38) xiuzhi: bye (17:08:51) _ch_: :) bye
