Log Mac Meeting 16 March 2007

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[22:00] ericb2 Can we start the meeting ? [22:01] paveljanik +1 [22:01] ericb2 The agenda is there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Port_Meetings [22:01] ericb2 Point 1. Welcome new devs (if any) [22:02] perezda Hi all. I'm new, though i've been lurking a while. [22:02] ericb2 perezda: you are welcome [22:02] paveljanik Hi [22:02] perezda got my first aquabuild to work this week, and xcode workin so i can step through some code to get me feet wet [22:03] ericb2 perezda: great. [22:03] ericb2 perezda: usually, new devs present themselves. [22:03] ericb2 perezda: maybe you can, in some words [22:03] perezda sure. my name is Dan Perez, live/work in california [22:03] perezda SF bay area. [22:04] ericb2 good place :) [22:04] perezda small financial company doing IT stuff. been away from coding for awhile doing mostly database work. lots of open source stuff. [22:04] perezda switched to a mac, and would love to see an Aqua version rolled out :-) [22:04] tinor Yeah SF bay area is nice :) [22:04] paveljanik great! [22:05] perezda hopefully i'll manage to contribute a little after I get up to speed. [22:05] * mav_eric (n=mav_eric@xdsl-87-78-221-159.netcologne.de) has joined #ooo_macport [22:05] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to mav_eric [22:05] ericb2 perezda: thank you for your time [22:07] shaunmcdonald Are there any other new devs here? [22:07] alexispigeon yup [22:07] alexispigeon well, no really new ;) [22:07] alexispigeon but away for a long time [22:07] ericb2 alexispigeon: nice to see you again :) [22:08] shaunmcdonald alexispigeon: Lets have a little introduction to bring us up to date/refresh our minds of who you are ;-) [22:08] alexispigeon I'll just be "watching" the next meetings, just to catch up with all the new stuff and people [22:09] * shaunmcdonald remembers that there is a file that he needs to commit for alexispigeon [22:09] alexispigeon shaunmcdonald: ok. i'm living in spain (barcelona, where the next OOoCon will be held \o/), but i'm french actually [22:09] ericb2 perezda: http://ftp.cusoo.org/Photos/SanFrancisco_WWDC2006/  ;-) [22:10] ericb2 perezda: see the number 66 [22:10] alexispigeon i'm a java developer, and so far i used to carry out the QA for the french mac builds [22:10] tinor BTW: Has the date for the next OOo conf. been fixed already? [22:10] perezda ericb2: nice. i run/cycle there all the time. ;-) [22:11] ericb2 perezda:  ;-) [22:11] alexispigeon i had to give up the QA during the last months, but i hope to get back to testing soon :) [22:11] paveljanik tinor: I don't think so :-( [22:11] tinor paveljanik: sad :( [22:11] alexispigeon tinor: it was planned for the 3rd week of september, but nothing's fixed so far AFAIK [22:12] alexispigeon next new dev? [22:12] ericb2 @all new devs : our faces : http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/developers/currentdevelopers/index.html [22:13] shaunmcdonald tinor: yes it has been, just about fixed, it will be announced soon [22:13] tinor shaunmcdonald: That's good to hear [22:14] ericb2 Next point ? [22:14] shaunmcdonald tinor: 19-21 september, with a possible business day on 18th sep [22:14] tinor shaunmcdonald: I'd like to attend this time and combine it with a trip to Barcelona with my wife [22:14] * dave_largo has quit ("Client exiting") [22:14] tinor shaunmcdonald: Need to find cheap flights early :) [22:15] tinor shaunmcdonald: Thx! [22:15] shaunmcdonald tinor: it appears to be the first time I will be out of Scotland for my birthday :-/ [22:15] tinor shaunmcdonald: When is yoiur birthday? [22:15] alexispigeon tinor: you definetly should, since the weekend after is the celebration of the city's "guardian" [22:15] shaunmcdonald 20th September [22:16] tinor shaunmcdonald: He this is also the birthday of my brother and my daughter :) [22:16] shaunmcdonald born in 1986, probably after a lot of you lot starting in computing ;-) [22:16] tinor alexispigeon: Ok, good to know :) [22:17] * shaunmcdonald hasn't yet met someone else who has the same birthday has himself [22:17] * shaunmcdonald sees the world is getting smaller :-) [22:17] ericb2 Point 2 ? [22:18] shaunmcdonald 2. Latest Aqua news and not yet integrated patches + Top 10 status [22:19] shaunmcdonald Watch the way you build it or which libraries you use to link it, because it may not run on a machine without certain libraries if it is not doe right [22:19] cloph Where do I find the topTen in the wiki? There a lots of todo-lists, but I didn't find the topTen [22:19] ericb2 just for say Sebastien ( alias plipli ) cannot attend tonight [22:19] ericb2 cloph: one minute [22:19] shaunmcdonald cloph: it is in a news article [22:19] shaunmcdonald cloph: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/news/2007/20070203toptenbeforealpha.html [22:20] shaunmcdonald cloph: as of yesterday, 3 of those items were marked as being fixed [22:20] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: you are faster than me [22:20] ericb2 + I posted a mail to mac@porting list : http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=4952 [22:21] ericb2 + http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=4953 [22:24] * shaunmcdonald has had a look at a recent build and ooo is far more stable, but crashes on quiting [22:24] * ericb2 proposes to discuss all issues of Top Ten, to make a point [22:24] paveljanik shaunmcdonald: TransferableHelper? [22:25] ericb2 paveljanik: same here [22:26] ericb2 first in the list is issue 72248 [22:26] IZBot porting DEFECT STARTED vcl compiled with debug crashes http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=72248 [22:26] tinor ericb2: Sounds like a clipboard issue [22:26] * shaunmcdonald finds it difficult to launch X11 ooo and aqua ooo at the same time [22:26] tinor ericb2: Well regarding 72248... [22:27] tinor ericb2: Not much progress in the last two weeks [22:27] tinor The last state was: [22:27] tinor 1. I could not reproduce the problem when creating a AquaSalBitmap in svdem [22:27] paveljanik for now, I use cd vcl; build debug=t; touch aqua/gdi/salbmp.cxx; build and it works, I have debugs info... [22:28] * shaunmcdonald goes to install his latest build of aqua [22:28] tinor 2. It works when you have just one of the shared_array members in AquaSalBmp - which is weird I know [22:28] tinor 3. When forcing the use of the non-member template variant of the shared_array it works also [22:29] tinor All in all a weird issue but I would simply call it a compiler bug due to the failure to reprod in a simple test program [22:30] paveljanik yes. [22:30] paveljanik It is not that important to solve it now ;-) [22:30] tinor Could as well be a symptom of a memory issue (mem-overwrite, heap corruption etc.) [22:31] tinor paveljanik: Unless it has none of the causes just mentioned ;) [22:31] tinor paveljanik: But who knows that ;) [22:31] paveljanik yes, but why only in debug? And only in this file? ;-) [22:31] paveljanik And only with -O0? ;-) [22:31] paveljanik too many questions ;-) [22:32] paveljanik an idea: it crashes in constructor, right? [22:32] paveljanik IIRC... [22:32] ericb2 paveljanik: when we don't build with debug, do we use -O0 ? [22:32] tinor paveljanik: I'm trying to find the answers hence working on this isssue [22:32] tinor paveljanik: yep [22:32] paveljanik what about moving this function of this file and compile it separately to be able too dsee the assembler difference? [22:32] paveljanik (only in this function...) [22:33] tinor paveljanik: Worth a try [22:33] shaunmcdonald paveljanik: with this latest build I didn't get a crash [22:33] * paveljanik has to refresh the real problem. [22:34] ericb2 next : issue 72250 [22:34] IZBot porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01: toolbar icon click -> crash with native menus http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=72250 [22:34] * shaunmcdonald doesn't use ericb2 's /usr/local/lib any more :-) [22:34] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: good ;) [22:34] tinor paveljanik: But I agree that this is maybe not the most important problem and honestly probably not even belongs to the Top 10 list [22:35] paveljanik tino: yes. It is top 1 on the after-top-10 ;-) [22:35] tinor In the end it just bothers us developers and not the end user who will not run debug versions [22:35] paveljanik tinor: it is only boring to always recompile salbmp without debug. [22:35] paveljanik yes [22:35] paveljanik exactly [22:35] tinor paveljanik: We could also work-around it differently I think [22:36] ericb2 I'm probably confused, but is the second issue the one about Tips ? [22:38] tinor paveljanik: But you brought up a good point "important" - what is most important at the moment with regards to aquavcl01 dev and not yet covered by a developer(s)? [22:39] paveljanik tinor: tooltips crashes. [22:39] paveljanik to have somewhat stable environment, we have to disable tooltips [22:39] ericb2 paveljanik: IMHO this is the most annoying issue with fonts [22:40] tinor paveljanik: And the cause for this is not know yet I assume [22:40] paveljanik tino: yes. sparcmoz did some investigation on this. [22:40] ericb2 tinor: it is [22:40] tino tinor [22:40] ericb2 tinor: but we have no clear idea to fix that [22:40] * ericb2 has no idea [22:41] tinor ericb2: So the cause is know? [22:41] paveljanik the other one is GetPosSize crash IIRC but I think it has the same root cause. [22:42] ericb2 issue 73691 is fixed [22:43] IZBot timed out - please visit the URL yourself: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73691 [22:43] ericb2 issue 73689 is IMHO close to be fixed : refresh works correctly here using plipli changes [22:43] IZBot porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01-> fix redrawing/refresh issue on Aqua version http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73689 [22:44] paveljanik ericb2: is plipli?s patch attached there_ [22:44] paveljanik ? [22:44] ericb2 paveljanik: sorry, plipli is not there [22:44] ericb2 paveljanik: I believed it was in the cvs [22:44] ericb2 cws [22:45] paveljanik the current cws doesn't work properly regarding refresh [22:45] paveljanik sometimes, you have to move the window, sometimes fonts do not redraw etc. [22:45] tinor paveljanik: Confirmed! [22:45] ericb2 paveljanik: I didn't notice. I'll have a closer look [22:46] shaunmcdonald paveljanik: it is completely unpredictable if the redraw is done or not [22:46] ericb2 ok, 73689 needs some work, or a final commit if the code I share with Sebastien is not in the cws [22:46] paveljanik yes [22:47] paveljanik we would liek to share the code as well... [22:47] ericb2 paveljanik: I really believed you commited it [22:47] paveljanik ericb2: cvs up? ;-) [22:47] ericb2 paveljanik: my code is not clean at all, and I have even conflicts when I do cvs up [22:48] ericb2 paveljanik: I prefer see with plipli tomorrow or sunday [22:48] ericb2 issue 73690 is fixed IMHO [22:48] IZBot porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01-> fix missing cursor http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73690 [22:49] ericb2 can people confirm ? [22:49] ismael_ bye [22:49] ericb2 the fact is invert() works since some times, so the cursor. What is not completed is the other parts in invert() [22:49] ericb2 ismael_: please [22:50] ismael_ ericb2: yes, what? [22:50] ericb2 ismael_: can you tell us some words with mikesic about INVERT_SAL_TRACKFRAME ? [22:51] ismael_ ericb2: sorry, but i didn't work on INVERT_SAL_TRACKFRAME, i implemented only SAL_INVERT_50 in the invert function [22:51] ericb2 ismael_: ok, nevermind [22:51] ericb2 ismael_: Damien did, no ? [22:51] ismael_ ericb2: no, he worked on drawAlphaRect [22:52] ericb2 ismael_: ah, yes, sorry. [22:52] mikesic ericb2: I did work on INVERT_TRACKFRAME [22:53] ismael_ bye [22:53] ericb2 mikesic: are you done ? or does it need more work ? [22:53] ericb2 ismael_: bye [22:53] * ismael_ has quit () [22:53] mikesic ericb2: I have posted the patch - I think its ok - but others need to test. [22:55] ericb2 mikesic: I have tested it, but I'm not yet sure what we can expect : the only test I have in mind is select a menubar, and move it in the window ( as a floating bar) [22:55] ericb2 mikesic: how do more complete tests ? [22:56] mikesic ericb2: I just put a break in the new section of code and tried with the interface to reach it. I'll post some tests to the mailing list. [22:57] ericb2 mikesic: thank you very much ! I'll test too [22:57] ericb2 issue 73688 now [22:57] IZBot porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01->use default system font instead of helvetica in aqua http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73688 [22:58] ericb2 we still don't use correct fonts in the user interface, and this is an important issue : defautl is simply uggly [22:58] ericb2 AFAIK, Michel Renon was working on this issue [23:00] ericb2 issue 73692 is FIXED since Pavel implemented isOffscreen() [23:00] IZBot porting DEFECT RESOLVED FIXED aquavcl01 -> BitBlt() function to be implemented http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73692 [23:00] ericb2 issue 73693 [23:00] IZBot porting DEFECT STARTED aquavcl01->modify Bundle tree for native version http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73693 [23:01] ericb2 Oliver is working on it, but this is not a critical issue : we know it works [23:02] paveljanik ericb2: I haven?t implemented it. I only added its usage on proper places. [23:02] ericb2 paveljanik: was it your patch, who fixed it ? [23:02] paveljanik yes, but I haven't implemented isOffscreen. [23:03] mav_eric just did a quick test [23:03] ericb2 if I'm not wrong , all issues of Top 10 have been watched [23:05] ericb2 is someone else than Michel working on fonts ? [23:05] mav_eric Cursor is here in my latest Aquabuild but if I select to show the control characters the cursor won't work [23:06] mav_eric ericb2: yes there was a patch from pavel that fixed the Bundle think [23:07] ericb2 mav_eric: Pavel provided a script, reorganizing the Bundle, to make it work, but this is not in the cws [23:07] ericb2 mav_eric: Oliver is working on that [23:07] paveljanik and it won't be there ;-) [23:07] mav_eric ericb2: is it the same script that's published in the wiki [23:09] ericb2 I have a question: who is working on the Tips issue  ? [23:10] * mikesic_ (n=Mike@70.122.225.9) has joined #ooo_macport [23:10] * mikesic has quit () [23:12] ericb2 Last Aqua news now [23:13] ericb2 Etsusho Kato proposed a nice patch to fix issue 73694 [23:13] IZBot porting DEFECT VERIFIED FIXED aquavcl01-> accented chars and keys in keyboard are missing http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73694 [23:13] ericb2 sorry Etsushi Kato [23:13] ericb2 I didn't test the last patch. Who did  ? [23:14] ericb2 ok, I continue [23:15] ericb2 With Sebastien, we finally found a solution to use HIView [23:15] ericb2 for that, we wrote a wiki page : [23:15] ericb2 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Implementing_HIView [23:15] tinor paveljanik: I have problems building 'desktop' the complain: [23:16] tinor paveljanik: can't open /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib referenced from libvcl... [23:16] ericb2 none cares ? [23:17] ericb2 tinor: I'm explaining what we did this week ... [23:17] tinor ericb2: Oh, sorry that I interrupted you [23:18] paveljanik tinor: who links with /usr/local/...? [23:18] ericb2 tinor: for your problem, ask Shaun : this is my fault : my archive is not correctly built, and there is a solution Shaun will explain you [23:18] ericb2 paveljanik: tinor is probably using my old archive from the first Mac Intel machine (last year ) [23:19] shaunmcdonald paveljanik: My latest build which is currently uploading does not link to /usr/local/lib since it no longer exists [23:19] shaunmcdonald http://termite.go-oo.org/MacPort1/builds/157 [23:19] tinor ericb2: yes thats probably true [23:19] shaunmcdonald oobuildbot: status MacPort1 [23:19] oobuildbot MacPort1: building(generating install set) [ETA 26m53s] [23:19] * shaunmcdonald uses an archive from ericb2 that is about 10 months old [23:20] ericb2 was a good archive, we will miss you ... [23:20] shaunmcdonald tinor: I was getting that from a user who used my build [23:20] shaunmcdonald tinor: I did not get the error, and could run aqua fine [23:22] shaunmcdonald tinor: I have now moved the folder /usr/local/lib, so the build process cannot link against any libraries in there [23:22] * shaunmcdonald is thinking that he should do a clean install to get back to a normal build environment [23:22] tinor shaunmcdonald: Well I didn't get the error either when doing the last full build of aquavcl01 but now when trying to build desktop I do get it [23:23] shaunmcdonald tinor: I started a build in the last 5 hours, with fresh code from cvs and did not get it [23:24] shaunmcdonald tinor: this will be an issue with some libraries or a bad environment [23:24] tinor shaunmcdonald: Looks like [23:25] shaunmcdonald tinor: have you tried using a clean shell? I have often found it helps from time to time [23:25] tinor shaunmcdonald: Will try it [23:26] ericb2 ... all instructions for HIView have been put in the link I mentionned previously, and Sebastien and me are investigating for 1) a better understanding of HI events 2) a more efficient implementation [23:26] shaunmcdonald tinor: I also don't like restarting (but do like taking my MacBook to uni), so restarting can sometimes help too [23:26] ericb2 as example, I tested with HIComboboxes : [23:27] ericb2 as you can see, this is not complete (text part does not completely work, and we have to understand better ), but it looks pretty [23:27] ericb2 Last but not least, i have updated the wiki page about controls : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_-_Native_Controls [23:28] ericb2 excepted a lot of reading documentation about HI* this week, that's all for me [23:28] ericb2 for the curious, please test the link I provided onmac@porting. the code is very well written [23:29] ericb2 See  : http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=4963 [23:29] ericb2 Questions  ? [23:30] ericb2 Next point ? [23:31] ericb2 Point 3) 2.2 & QA status [23:31] paveljanik m13 was made ready today [23:31] paveljanik this will be next RC and hopefully the final one. [23:32] paveljanik I don;t know about QA. [23:33] ericb2 Anyboby aware about QA for 2.2  ? [23:33] mav_eric paveljanik: James McKenzie just asked about german QA yesterday or so and I told him that so far we haven't found any regression or showstopper for the Mac [23:34] mav_eric neither on PPC nor on Intel [23:34] ericb2 mav_eric: good , 2.2 wil be a great version [23:34] mav_eric I have downloaded Thorsten Bosbachs app and see if I can play with it a little bit over the weekend [23:34] ericb2 so far the best we ever provided [23:35] mav_eric on Sunday I plan to run the automated release test while I'm with my friends so that the Mac isn't disturbed [23:35] mav_eric ericb2: I keep my fingers crossed that you're true [23:36] ericb2 mav_eric: me too [23:36] mav_eric the only "problem" I have is to catch James in order to discuss the QA results [23:36] mav_eric the app from Thorsten can be found here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=189991 [23:37] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: I have started running build in a separate user account in the background using fast user switching [23:37] shaunmcdonald James has had one error that I did not get in the release tests [23:38] mav_eric shaunmcdonald: I tried this too but this gave me some strange errors that didn't occure when not running the script in the background [23:38] mav_eric shaunmcdonald: which errord did James get? [23:38] mav_eric an example of the results from the app is here http://vcltesttoolglue.sourceforge.net/20061218vi.html [23:38] * mav_eric notes that Thorsten used Mac OS X :-) [23:38] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: http://smsm1.selfip.info/~oootestsmsm1/ooo/testtoolresults/2007-03-12/a_summary.txt [23:39] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: they are my results [23:39] * shaunmcdonald goes to look at mail [23:39] shaunmcdonald Comment from James: "Nice. I got eight errors. How did you get rid of the error in f_updt_pkgmgr?" [23:40] mav_eric shaunmcdonald: I'll see which results I get or what we have from german QA [23:41] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: :-) [23:41] delliott shaunmcdonald: How did you get on with your write-up? [23:42] ericb2 Next point ? [23:42] cloph Since it turned out, that mingwport-breaker was because of a reordering of libs during linking, I'd like to ask why this matters and whether there is a special rule that has to be met for Mac... See the following URLs for the makefile-diffs http://util.openoffice.org/source/browse/util/xmlhelp/util/makefile.mk?r1=1.9&r2=1.9.26.1 http://framework.openoffice.org/source/browse/framework/binfilter/filter/source/bf_offwrp/makefile.mk?r1 [23:43] paveljanik cloph: static libs has to be at the end of the link line [23:44] paveljanik otherwise the rules are the same as on unxlngi [23:44] paveljanik cloph: do you have a link to the build error? [23:45] paveljanik ericb2: yes [23:45] cloph Sure.. It is in tinderbox :-) - wait a second... [23:46] cloph http://go-oo.org/tinderbox/gunzip.cgi?tree=mingwport03&brief-log=1173684529.29252#104477 [23:46] cloph The error of the first one (in xmlhelp) [23:47] cloph The binfilter one is right below, but slightly intermixed with the output from another module [23:47] ericb2 Point 4 : Macport and Google Summer of Code [23:48] ericb2 Florian and me proposed 3 subjects. [23:48] ericb2 See : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2007#Porting:_Mac_OS_X_native_port [23:48] ericb2 More informations : http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/openoffice_org_has_been_accepted [23:48] ericb2 Waiting for students  :-) [23:48] paveljanik cloph: yup, sablot is a static lib... [23:50] ericb2 paveljanik: yes, we discussed about that with cloph this afternoon. What I didn't understand, is why this change in the cws ? [23:50] paveljanik don't know - maybe with mingw, all static libs has to be at the beginning of the line 8) [23:50] ericb2 :) [23:51] ericb2 back to the Google SoC : I'll push Florian subject ( native printing ) in first position and I invite people voting (( not sure they are here), to do so [23:52] ericb2 we probably won't have more than one selected subject ( if ever ) [23:53] ericb2 C omments  ? [23:53] ericb2 Point 5 : Update : http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/timeline.html [23:54] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: is this point yours ? [23:54] shaunmcdonald ericb2: yes, but I haven't had time in the past week to look at it yet [23:54] shaunmcdonald if any one has ideas, please let me know [23:55] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: I have some, because we have to add Top 10 in the list, and what I proposed during FOSDEM : [23:55] ericb2 http://eric.bachard.free.fr/FOSDEM2007/fosdem1.sxi [23:56] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: as starting point [23:58] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: can we postpone this point to next week ? [23:58] shaunmcdonald ericb2: yes please, I should have time to look at it, and produce a draft new one by then :-) [23:59] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: ok, good :) [23:59] ericb2 Point 6) Mac port and WWDC [23:59] shaunmcdonald :-D [23:59] ericb2 Intro : FYI, I received a proposal for Apple Design Award, and I'll politely refuse, explaining we won't be ready. [00:00] ericb2 URL  : http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ [00:00] paveljanik proposal? [00:00] shaunmcdonald ericb2: you never know what miracle might happen ;-) [00:00] paveljanik I think that the person who proposed that proposal is simply blind or dumb like hell... [00:01] paveljanik 8) [00:01] shaunmcdonald there is always next year [00:01] paveljanik ;-) [00:01] ericb2 paveljanik: no idea, but the most correct is to stay polite [00:02] ericb2 paveljanik: and answer we are not ready [00:02] paveljanik ericb2: what proposal? [00:02] paveljanik can you show it to us? [00:02] ericb2 paveljanik: this is the same as you can see on the site, just as email [00:02] paveljanik ADC News? [00:02] shaunmcdonald ericb2: I think that e-mail went out to everyone [00:02] paveljanik yes [00:03] ericb2 paveljanik: http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ada/ [00:03] * shaunmcdonald got one too [00:03] ericb2 paveljanik: + a personnal mail from an Apple people [00:03] mav_eric paveljanik: yes - it was in the latest ADC News Email - at least in the one I got and I'm only a free subscriber [00:03] shaunmcdonald ericb2: ahh, a personal e-mail too [00:03] ericb2 paveljanik: that's the reason why I'll politely answer [00:04] paveljanik if you think so ;-) [00:04] * shaunmcdonald wonders if we will have a beta release by June ;-) [00:05] ericb2 For OpenOffice.org project, and MAc OS x port , it is very important to be present at the WWDC, to find most infos possible, to meet Apple people, and make the port progress. [00:06] ericb2 I have asked for a donation on my blog, using Cusoon [00:07] mav_eric shaunmcdonald: you're building aqua? [00:07] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: yes [00:07] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: I can build both aqua and X11 ;-) [00:07] mav_eric shaunmcdonald: o.k. so no need for me to do the same [00:07] ericb2 discussing with my Apple contact, I have proposed several people. The most active in the port exactly [00:08] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: I only do it sometimes [00:08] mav_eric shaunmcdonald: o.k. [00:08] shaunmcdonald mav_eric: most of the time I build X11 by adding --with-x on the config line [00:10] ericb2 Pavel told me he's not interested to attend, Shaun is Sebastien is and I am [00:11] ericb2 other students like Ismael and Damien have exams during the WWDC, so they are not [00:11] ericb2 Waiting, I'll try to find enough money for the travel [00:11] * shaunmcdonald would normally have exams, but since it is the final year, he has the exams earlier in the year [00:12] delliott Damn you [00:13] ericb2 the most important is not the conferences, but the workshops and labs, where we can ask questions all the day, meeting real apple engineers [00:13] * mav_eric first needs to learn coding before attending WWDC [00:13] delliott I have 7 exams between April 24th and May 14th [00:14] ericb2 who disagrees my proposal to search money for attending the WWDC ? [00:14] paveljanik I think it would be much cheeper to pay Apple to give us one developer for one day after the OOoCon... where we all will be anyway... [00:15] paveljanik instead of throwing money over the ocean... [00:15] delliott Attending WWDC is very expensive. [00:15] delliott flights + hotel + ticket + expenses [00:15] delliott I wish Apple would make the tickets free. [00:15] ericb2 delliott: forgot tickets [00:16] delliott The ticket is $1,295 [00:16] ericb2 delliott: and we can receive more help for students [00:16] shaunmcdonald delliott: even if it was only for open source project where it was free [00:17] delliott Yeah [00:17] delliott They must recognise that open source software is important for the platform [00:17] delliott If I ever become Apple CEO then I'll make WWDC free :D [00:18] perezda i would offer my place up, but i only have a small 1 bed apartment :-) [00:18] delliott perezda: Do you live in the Bay Area? [00:18] perezda but atleast if someone comes, i'll meet you. [00:18] perezda yup. [00:18] delliott Where about? [00:18] perezda Burlingame. [00:18] ericb2 perezda: would be great :) [00:18] * shaunmcdonald will happily sleep in a tent or on a floor ;-) [00:19] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: lol [00:19] delliott Cool :) [00:19] delliott If I get to WWDC then we'll need to meet up [00:19] delliott I think I'll be staying in MV [00:19] * shaunmcdonald has slept in a tent with howling wind and rain before [00:19] ericb2 well, this is conditionnal : I'm waiting for informations, and they don't come, so ... nothing is sure at all [00:20] perezda well, i have a sofa, which is better than the floor atleast. [00:20] tinor paveljanik: Last question for today: What tool did you use to track memory leaks on Mac OS X? [00:20] delliott shaunmcdonald: Ahh, the awesomeness of Scotland [00:21] paveljanik tinor: leaks ;-) [00:21] paveljanik leaks(1) is very good [00:21] tinor paveljanik: Thx! [00:21] shaunmcdonald delliott: the outermost the western Hebrides that was, any further was and you are on to the North Atlantic [00:22] <shaunmcdonald> delliott: it was near the radar for the planes over the north east atlantic :-D [00:23] <delliott> Hehe [00:23] <delliott> I've never been there [00:23] <mav_eric> O.K. next meeting next week same time same place? [00:23] <shaunmcdonald> mav_eric: +1 [00:23] <delliott> Oh sorry, did I interrupt a meeting? [00:23] <delliott> Whoops. [00:24] <ericb2> Ok, I'm copying the log [00:24] <ericb2> delliott: you are welcome :)