Difference between revisions of "Education ClassRoom/Previous Logs/Hybrid Model of Teaching OpenSource"

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[17:07] <andreasmeiszner> Ok, so shall we start with questions / comments on the suggested hybrid approach to SE. Thus it would be clear to all what it is about?

[17:08] * ericb2 searching the links

[17:08] <chacha_chaudhry> http://www.slideshare.net/andreasmeiszner/breaking-the-silence-taking-learning-online-presentation

[17:08] <chacha_chaudhry> http://www.scribd.com/doc/10933440/A-HYBRID-APPROACH-TO-COMPUTER-SCIENCE-EDUCATION

[17:08] <chacha_chaudhry> ericb2: ^^

[17:09] <ericb2> chacha_chaudhry: thanks :)

[17:09] <andreasmeiszner> thx!

[17:09] <chacha_chaudhry> andreasmeiszner: I haven't gone through the approach .. may you explain briefly how it is different from common open source development model.

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[17:10] <andreasmeiszner> ok, so basically it is a open approach to courses which is dervived from the way open source communities, but also the web more in general works.

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[17:11] <wtebbens> good afternoon all!

[17:11] <andreasmeiszner> hi wouter, welcome!

[17:11] <chacha_chaudhry> wtebbens: hello meeting has already started.

[17:11] <sroy> good evening . it is 21:45 hrs here

[17:11] <andreasma> hi all

[17:11] <wtebbens> hi andreas, sorry I am late (and can only stay for half an hour)

[17:12] <chacha_chaudhry> andreasm wtebbens: we are already following andreasmeiszner .. andreasmeiszner may we continue

[17:12] <andreasmeiszner> the hybrid approach aims to bring together the different involved stakeholders (students & educators from different institutions, open source practitioners & free learners outside of formal education) within a "semi-structured" way

[17:13] <andreasmeiszner> often formal education - even if about open source - follows the traditional "style": closed, isolated, disconnected, static,...

[17:13] <andreasmeiszner> does this still makes sense?

[17:14] <chacha_chaudhry> yep very much.

[17:14] <andreasmeiszner> ok

[17:14] <andreasmeiszner> so just as an example

[17:14] <andreasmeiszner> "learning processess" in open source are often visible and become learning resources for many others

[17:15] <andreasmeiszner> in formal education however - they are normally "lost" or disconnected from learning materials

[17:15] <andreasmeiszner> so this is the learning process side that we e.g. want to adress with the hybrid approach

[17:16] <andreasmeiszner> within an open environment, such as the piloted www.netgeners.net side (still just early playing), the different stakeholders might engage analogue to the way it can be seen in open source

[17:17] <andreasmeiszner> therefore providing a richer learning experience, sharing the burden amongst different institutions on providing basic information and allowing e.g. that contributions to an open source student by student A could be a useful learning resource for students X,Y,Z

[17:18] <andreasmeiszner> this means "semi-structured", because contributions could also be found by students XYZ, if they "search the web" - but like this it would be more convenient for them

[17:18] <andreasmeiszner> uff - hope you are still with me

[17:19] daeseon david_jaco

[17:19] >david_jaco< : the log will be available there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Previous_Logs/Hybrid_Model_of_Teaching_OpenSource

[17:19] <chacha_chaudhry> yes

[17:19] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: sure :)

[17:19] <david_jaco> sure

[17:20] <fardad> yes

[17:20] <wtebbens> sounds good

[17:20] <andreasmeiszner> ok - such an hybrid approach should be "less" conflicting with the educational structures we are operating at

[17:21] <andreasmeiszner> because teachers can still "lecture" their courses as the need to (legal constraints), yet an environment like e.g. netgeners provides a more informal collaborative space

[17:22] <andreasmeiszner> such an environment could than be - step by step - improved to gradually advance ans slowly mature

[17:22] <andreasmeiszner> to respect e.g. legal and cultural constraints of formal education

[17:22] <andreasmeiszner> this is the sshort to medium aspect, in the long term certainly there would be much more in it

[17:23] <andreasmeiszner> e.g. virtual internships, certification against for paid assessment for "free learners outside of formal education", etcetc

[17:23] <andreasmeiszner> ideally all involved sides should gain

[17:24] <andreasmeiszner> ok - questions? before this ends up in a monologue?

[17:24] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: no, it isn't

[17:25] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner:

[17:25] <ericb2> I think the Education Project is already another model of hybrid approach, because we :

[17:25] <ericb2> - work with schools, and profs

[17:25] <ericb2> - we are involved in the project

[17:25] <ericb2> - we propose real tasks, in production mode

[17:25] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: I don't know how close are both (your hybrid approach and Education Project approach), but they look similar

[17:25] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: excepted we have no resources

[17:26] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: but both are winner-winner models

[17:26] <andreasmeiszner> yes, your work is close to this - except maybe to provide a more convenient space to make students work visible and relate it as well to educational materials as to their work in open source - but in principle your work is very close

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[17:27] <andreasmeiszner> Hello Sulayman / Sowe

[17:27] <Sowe> Hello all

[17:27] <Sowe> Hello Andreas

[17:27] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: I think this will improve : I met the Computing Department director saturday, and he was very enthousiast to know what we do. He even invited me to present the project asap

[17:27] <andreasmeiszner> Let me shortly introduce Sulayman: he started the work at Aristotle, sending out students to open source projects

[17:27] <ericb2> Sowe: be welcome :)

[17:28] <wtebbens> I wonder what differences there are between the two mentioned approaches, for the fact of the having or not having resources. ericb2 and andreasmeiszner any comment?

[17:28] <andreasmeiszner> eric, this is perfect. and i think what would be a good way forward is to put the concepts together and build on our current works - type of sherry picking

[17:28] <wtebbens> (if I understand correctly :))

[17:29] <ericb2> wtebbens: better organization from andreasmeiszner side ? More advanced state too maybe

[17:29] <ericb2> andreasmeiszner: I forgot : Computing Department director of UTBM (my school)

[17:29] <andreasmeiszner> but less practical experiences - by now we mainly have set up the models / structures

[17:30] <andreasmeiszner> means - our work is less advanced than OO work

[17:30] <Sowe> The Auth approach, now called the outside approach worked well for us and our students

[17:30] <andreasmeiszner> in practical terms

[17:31] <andreasmeiszner> as detailed at the paper http://www.scribd.com/doc/10933440/A-HYBRID-APPROACH-TO-COMPUTER-SCIENCE- EDUCATION

[17:31] <Sowe> the limitation we found out as highlighted with the flosscom project is that the students have less opportunity to interact with the "outside word"

[17:31] <andreasmeiszner> we tried to map existing approaches to be found to models

[17:32] <Sowe> i think this is where the Netgeners project by Andreas comes to be very important

[17:32] <andreasmeiszner> and found out that universities either send their students out (outside approach) into well established communities