Previous Education Meetings logs/November 2007/16th November

Agenda

Agenda for 16th of November 2007 meeting

1. Welcome people and devs joining Education project

2. Actions Items

Action item 1 : define objectives for Education project

Proposal :

Mission of the Education projet: Its purpose his to help teachers as well as students or anybody involved in education to enter the OpenOffice.org project and find a place where to contribute or to find informations

What you'll find here

a development category to provide a central node for the development of OpenOffice.org by students, either working alone or in a class.

a tools category where you'll find listed several tools available through OpenOffice.org usage or along it. They will be provided in the language they exist

a more general category listing OpenOffice.org usage in shools and universities and documentation for developers

examples of existing projects and applications involving both Education world and OpenOffice.org project guidelines ..

Action Item 2: find volunteers for :

- website

- contacts

- development

- define default owner for education project issues. Default proposed owner is user education ( Issue number ? FIXME )

Action item 3 : propose a new scheme for the website

Action item 4 : define rules for Schools visibility

Action item 5 : find resources

Suggestion : create a structure able to receive donations

Log of the Meeting

[15:00] <ericb2> Time for Meeting ?

[15:00] <peter13j> ericb2: Bon jour

[15:00] <louis_to> hi all

[15:00] <ericb2> peter13j: I'm sorry, my chineese is not enough good :/

[15:00] <Remaille> hi louis_to

[15:01] <ericb2> louis_to: Hi Louis

[15:01] <ericb2> @all, the wiki page for the IRC meetings is there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_IRC_meetings

[15:01] <peter13j> ericb2: No problem

[15:01] <ericb2> all logs will be available at : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Education_Meetings_logs

[15:02] <ericb2> maintain these pages can be done by everybody. The idea is to allow people who cannot attend, to be informed

[15:02] <ericb2> + keep a trace about everything being discussed

[15:03] * louis_to is glad to see that the main page of the wiki is normal again

[15:03] <ericb2> Can we start ?

[15:03] <louis_to> yes

[15:03] * peter13j grees

[15:04] <ericb2> The agenda says : 1. Welcome people and devs joining Education project

[15:05] <ericb2> well, all people are welcome today :)

[15:05] <louis_to> :-)

[15:05] <peter13j> :)

[15:05] <Remaille> first half of point 1 : done :)

[15:05] <ericb2> I propose we proceed like that for every meeting: start with a welcome to newcomers

[15:06] <louis_to> agreed; nice friendly presentation

[15:07] <ericb2> Next point is Actions Items

[15:07] <ericb2> Action item 1 : define objectives for Education project

[15:08] <louis_to> okay....

[15:08] <ericb2> there is a proposal ( not too much changes with previous version) here : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_IRC_meetings

[15:08] <louis_to> do people have objections to the proposal on the agenda?

[15:08] <Remaille> no

[15:09] <louis_to> are all agreed?

[15:09] <louis_to> (please indicate)

[15:09] <ericb2> I agree what is proposed, and this can be improved later -> +1 for me

[15:09] <Remaille> +1 so

[15:10] <louis_to> same for me, plus one

[15:10] <peter13j> +1

[15:11] <ericb2> next

[15:11] <ericb2> Action Item 2: find volunteers

[15:11] <louis_to> I think the website bit is really important

[15:11] <louis_to> i can suggest pinging the dev@website team

[15:12] <louis_to> and art and marketing teams

[15:12] <louis_to> and dev@native lang

[15:12] <louis_to> also, it could be a way for students to start now :-)

[15:12] <louis_to> OOo can include the website as well as the project, say

[15:13] <peter13j> I think a common call for volunteers at dev@openoffice would be feasible too

[15:13] <louis_to> what precisely needs to be done, though?

[15:14] <louis_to> (is interested in being precise for calls to action)

[15:14] <ericb2> something more attractive :)

[15:14] <louis_to> :-)

[15:14] <louis_to> ;who wants to own this action item?

[15:14] <ericb2> louis_to: I asked the page to be statisticed ( not sure of the word )

[15:15] <ericb2> issue 83437

[15:15] <IZBot> www DEFECT NEW P3 Follow education.openoffice.org stats http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=83437

[15:15] <louis_to> :-)

[15:15] <louis_to> uhm.

[15:15] <louis_to> eric, that seems different

[15:15] <louis_to> that's to track hits to the page and is a collabnet issue or a Sun one, not improving the appearance of the page(s)

[15:16] <louis_to> Id' suggest a new issue focused on this

[15:16] <louis_to> or simply just ask someone to do it ...

[15:16] <louis_to> either one

[15:16] <ericb2> louis_to: I agree, this is orthogonal, but complementary

[15:16] <louis_to> agreed.

[15:16] <louis_to> so, new issue and does anyone want to own it?

[15:16] <ericb2> rbircher proposed to work on the website revamp

[15:16] <louis_to> cool!

[15:19] <louis_to> AI: rbircher to lead website dev (or ask him anyway) and others too ---and erci or louis issue call to action today for website dev interest to dev@ooo, nlc, marketing, website, art@,

[15:20] <ericb2> louis_to: you mean file an issue, as a task ?

[15:20] <louis_to> dunno. probably, as it will help rbircher and you and me

[15:20] <louis_to> and others can participate with it

[15:21] <louis_to> so, yes.

[15:21] <louis_to> we can decide now who will issue the call--I can do it, if you like--

[15:21] <ericb2> louis_to: please do if you want :)

[15:21] <louis_to> and we can contact rbircher on the list

[15:21] <louis_to> :-)

[15:21] <louis_to> okay, will do

[15:23] <louis_to> shall we move on , then?

[15:23] <ericb2> louis_to: you mean contact and development ?

[15:24] <louis_to> yes

[15:24] <ericb2> In the same Action Item (find volunteers), for contacts and developments, this is a bit more complicated, and I propose we share the work : we all are living on different countries/continents. Some can be contacts for US, other for Europa .. etc

[15:25] <ericb2> and when we have informations to be shared, we can use meeting and/or mailing lists of whatever way of communication for the forwarding

[15:25] <louis_to> agreed

[15:26] <louis_to> there is lots I need to share and don't really have a good way of doing it besides the list

[15:26] <louis_to> i can use this mode, too, but we all need to act...

[15:26] <ericb2> who is volunteer ?

[15:27] <louis_to> how do you mean?

[15:27] * ericb2 is volunteer to for France

[15:27] <louis_to> I can volunteer what I 've been doing and also try to compile it for others, too

[15:27] <ericb2> louis_to: exactly

[15:27] lgodard louis_to

[15:27] <ericb2> Remaille: you can help me

[15:27] * Remaille for Toulouse (SW of France)

[15:28] <louis_to> I travel all over th eworld but my focuses right now are North America and India

[15:28] <Remaille> yes

[15:28] <ericb2> Remaille: thanks :)

[15:28] <ericb2> peter13j:  ?

[15:28] <peter13j> I will ask Michael Huai, who is not present today I think ;)

[15:29] <ericb2> peter13j: thank you very much :)

[15:29] <ericb2> for development now

[15:29] <ericb2> it does mean :

[15:30] <ericb2> ( e.g. ) : welcome students and or teachers/profs or even company ..etc and be the intermediate with OpenOffice.org developers, when searching infos

[15:30] <ericb2> I have a recent exemple

[15:31] <ericb2> example sorry

[15:31] <ericb2> a French school asked for some new technology with shared boards

[15:31] <ericb2> and they finally found me. I'll try to be sort of bridge for them

[15:31] <louis_to> I thnk listing relevant technology is important...

[15:32] <louis_to> but the issue is synchronizing it with other pages

[15:32] <louis_to> and wouldn't it be better then to just list other pages?

[15:32] <ericb2> sorry phone

[15:34] * louis_to does other work until ericb2 returns

[15:34] * ericb2 is back

[15:34] <ericb2> louis_to: if this is Education objective, not a problem. Maybe an example would help to see better ?

[15:35] <ericb2> oops

[15:35] <louis_to> yes, please

[15:35] <louis_to> I'm just concerned about information architecture....

[15:35] <ericb2> s/if this is/ if this is not/

[15:35] <ericb2> louis_to: ok

[15:35] <ericb2> Remaille: opinion ?

[15:36] <ericb2> peter13j: same question ?

[15:36] <Remaille> that's ok for me

[15:36] <Remaille> but not only for developpment

[15:37] * peter13j is not sure he understands the question

[15:37] <Remaille> which is very very important of course, but I think that the edu project could propose to schools or uni maybe a special package of OOo

[15:37] <ericb2> peter13j: sometimes, we will receive sollicitations for tasks not exactly our skills

[15:38] <Remaille> eg in Brest, the IT admins give a OOo bundle with OOo and useful plugins, gallery for education

[15:38] <ericb2> peter13j: and -if I'm not too wrong- louis_to asked if it could be possible to add informations about other parts of OpenOffice.org project

[15:38] <Remaille> OOo edu project could be a part of it too

[15:38] <ericb2> issue 83698 has been created

[15:39] * peter13j does not know sollicitations and so doesn't my online dictionary

[15:39] <IZBot> education TASK NEW P3 notify lists of website improvement need for education http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=83698

[15:39] <Remaille> as I said on my former post on the list.

[15:40] <peter13j> ericb2: Ah, I see. That's even desirable I think

[15:41] <louis_to> I guess, to restate, that my only concern is putting technology (code) on Education that though it is useufl for education, may also be considered an extension; and that others may also emulate us

[15:41] <louis_to> and thus the informational architecture gets confused

[15:41] <ericb2> louis_to: let me read again

[15:41] <louis_to> sure

[15:41] <ericb2> louis_to: extensions is another project :)

[15:42] <louis_to> yes, I know, but it is *the* home of extensions

[15:42] <louis_to> (or rather extensions.servics.openoffice.org)

[15:42] <louis_to> but you see my point, I am sure

[15:42] <louis_to> hence, I favour links to this or that url

[15:43] <louis_to> and we keep the actual code elsehwere

[15:43] <louis_to> but I am open to persuasion :-)

[15:44] <ericb2> louis_to: is it possible to wait a bit and start witout a link

[15:44] <ericb2> louis_to: I'd like to think more about that

[15:44] <louis_to> let's wait, then. I have bad experience on OOo with confusing architecture. :-(

[15:45] <louis_to> and am now always concerned about what will happen years from now...

[15:46] <ericb2> yes. the point is : do slowly, but correctly ;)

[15:47] <louis_to> agreed

[15:48] <louis_to> shall we postpone conclusion (table it) and go on to the next item?

[15:48] <ericb2> agreed

[15:49] <ericb2> Next actio item is : define default owner for education project issues

[15:49] <ericb2> any volunteer ?

[15:50] <peter13j> The alias is OK as long it is sure somebody cares it

[15:50] <louis_to> I think it goes to me

[15:50] <ericb2> peter13j: on mac osx port, macport is me :)

[15:50] <louis_to> at least I've received them all and as the owner of the project, it logically (they) go to me

[15:50] <louis_to> if eric wants to take on the burden, that's fine; it's not too taxing...

[15:50] <louis_to> ... so far

[15:51] <ericb2> louis_to: you mean I'm candidate ?

[15:51] <louis_to> sure :-)

[15:51] <ericb2> louis_to: not exactly

[15:51] <ericb2> louis_to: what I wanted to say is :

[15:51] <louis_to> essentially it's you, me, or any other person with developer access to the site

[15:52] <louis_to> ideally a project owner for this kind of issue, where vising mail lists might also be required

[15:52] <ericb2> louis_to: ok, then put me as default owner or you. I'd add : with a default owner, everyone can choose in his preferences, to follow any issue assigned to education

[15:52] <ericb2> this is exactly what is made on Mac OS X port for maport user

[15:53] <louis_to> k

[15:53] <ericb2> every time one issue is assigned to macport, several people receive the mail

[15:53] <ericb2> and once someone wants to take the issue over, just reassign means: someone works on it

[15:53] <louis_to> I'l put you as default issue owner for now, as you are more clearly engaged in mving the project and i am more involved in contacts and ambassador work. is that okay,then?

[15:54] <ericb2> louis_to: ok, and if someone else is volunteer, we can change. not a problem :)

[15:54] <louis_to> yes.

[15:54] <louis_to> it's very easy to do

[15:55] <ericb2> Next point :

[15:55] <ericb2> Action item 3 : propose a new scheme for the website

[15:55] <ericb2> I propose to postpone ( dupe with previous AI à

[15:56] <peter13j> ... and it's hard to present a website scheme in IRC I think ;)

[15:56] <ericb2> peter13j: lol :)

[15:56] <louis_to> can we also ask rbircher to help with this and discuss it then on the mail list?

[15:56] <ericb2> peter13j: in fact, we use to give a link

[15:56] lgodard louis_to

[15:56] <ericb2> louis_to: sure

[15:56] <peter13j> ericb2: Of course

[15:57] <ericb2> Next point :

[15:57] <ericb2> Action item 4 : define rules for Schools visibility

[15:57] <ericb2> Important imho

[15:57] <louis_to> yes, but could be difficult

[15:57] <peter13j> want does this exactly mean?

[15:58] <Remaille> yes

[15:58] <ericb2> I'll explain

[15:58] <ericb2> from my side, I'm in touch with utbm ( http:/www.utbm.fr ) communication department

[15:58] <ericb2> they can help us : provide bandwidth, sponsor ..etc

[15:59] <ericb2> but in return, they will ask some visibility. e.g. : a logo, visible or something

[15:59] <louis_to> ah

[15:59] <louis_to> uhm.

[15:59] <ericb2> other schools can help this way, or some administrations

[15:59] <ericb2> the point is : we need resources

[15:59] <louis_to> what we do on marketing.openoffice.org/education/index.html

[15:59] <peter13j> For me it's no problem for organizations that are non-profit ones

[15:59] <louis_to> is just list the school with the school graphics, if they want

[15:59] <ericb2> peter13j: good point !

[16:00] <louis_to> Id' be happy to move that list to the education.ooo list and include graphics

[16:00] <louis_to> but peter13j's point is good; and we can then simply state as much

[16:00] <ericb2> louis_to: the link is broken

[16:00] <louis_to> ie, for profit/ nonprofit

[16:00] lgodard louis_to

[16:00] <louis_to> (probably me)

[16:00] <ericb2> louis_to: +1

[16:00] <louis_to> http://marketing.openoffice.org/education/schools/

[16:01] <ericb2> louis_to: these links would really be better on Education project ;)

[16:01] <louis_to> and the secondary one....

[16:01] <louis_to> ericb2; yes. that's what I mean

[16:02] <louis_to> they are not relevant anyway, as we now uee Major Deployemnts instead

[16:02] <louis_to> much easier to maintain -

[16:02] <ericb2> louis_to: we could provide time limited visibility too

[16:02] <louis_to> http://marketing.openoffice.org/education/univs/

[16:03] <louis_to> this one was the early start of the education project and also the Major Deployments

[16:03] <louis_to> and it shoudl be totally moved to education (or just junked)

[16:04] <ericb2> louis_to: ok

[16:05] <louis_to> AI: louis to move education/univs to education (or reasonable elements, not sure which; we can reference it anyway)

[16:07] <ericb2> louis_to: I think an issue is the right way for that change

[16:07] <louis_to> yes, which is why I'm not leaping to do it right now :-)

[16:07] <louis_to> it's a totally dead "project"; I couldn't even recall the url :-)

[16:09] <louis_to> btw, I have to be leaving soon

[16:10] <ericb2> louis_to: have you 3 minutes ?

[16:10] <louis_to> yes.

[16:10] <ericb2> I'd like to give some infos about : Action item 5 : find resources

[16:10] <louis_to> okay

[16:10] <ericb2> from my side, I have in mind to create a structure able to receive donations

[16:11] <ericb2> and I think this is the most simple way to receive help

[16:11] <Remaille> good idea

[16:11] <ericb2> Remaille: I have prepared something btw

[16:11] <ericb2> louis_to: I'll provide more infos newt week

[16:11] <Remaille> especially because in most of the schools I know  : OOo is chosen because it is free

[16:12] <Remaille> as in free beer ;-)

[16:12] <Remaille> ok ericb2

[16:12] <ericb2> last info: I'll attend Educatice Expo (Paris ) this week, and I'll meet some Apple people + French Educatin people

[16:12] <ericb2> stay tuned :)

[16:12] lgodard louis_to

[16:12] <louis_to> eric, and others,

[16:12] <ericb2> louis_to: that's all the important infos I had to say

[16:12] <louis_to> I'm trying to persuade sun to devote some $$ fpr marketing OOo to students

[16:12] <Remaille> and this fondation is a good way o help them helping us ;)

[16:12] <louis_to> do you have any suggestions?

[16:13] <louis_to> ie, what might really work?

[16:13] <louis_to> I can hang on a little bit

[16:13] <ericb2> louis_to: my first reaquest is fund expenses for travels, or when attending events

[16:13] <louis_to> unfortunately, that's not a sun issue; that's OOo

[16:13] <ericb2> louis_to: for students, schools have resources, and Apple can help

[16:13] lgodard louis_to

[16:14] <ericb2> louis_to: I can wear a Sun Tshirt sometimes if needed :)

[16:14] * ericb2 hides

[16:14] <louis_to> Sun marketing woudl be thinking "ads" and "collateral" and things like, uhm, tshirts

[16:14] <louis_to>  :-)

[16:14] <ericb2> Last point : next meeting ?

[16:14] <Remaille> I think tha a school that used to spend thousand's on MSoffice products could give o OOo-edu

[16:14] <louis_to> but, for instance, targeted ads in school papers...

[16:15] <louis_to> sure..

[16:15] <ericb2> Remaille: i think so too, but we must be able to provide a receipt

[16:15] <Remaille> yes

[16:15] <ericb2> Remaille: else, this is not legal. Simply

[16:15] <ericb2> Next meeting : Friday 30th of November, same hour

[16:16] <ericb2> please confirm you are ok .. or not ok

[16:16] <peter13j> +1

[16:16] <Remaille> +1

[16:16] <ericb2> +1

[16:17] <ericb2> Ok end of meeting

[16:17] <ericb2> The log is available : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Education_Meetings_logs/November_2007/16th_November

[16:18] <ericb2> bye all, and see you on the lists :)

[16:18] <Remaille> see you

[16:18] <peter13j> Bye all

[16:18] <louis_to> bye all, and thanks eric for initiating this!

[16:18] <louis_to> nice meeting all of you...

[16:18] <ericb2> louis_to: You're welcome :) thanks to you.

[16:18] <peter13j> :)

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[16:19] * ericb2 must go now. See you later

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