Log Mac meeting 10th November 2006
Return to Mac_meetings_November_2006 ?
Nov 10 22:04:46 * Now talking on #ooo_macport
Nov 10 22:04:46 * Topic for #ooo_macport is: OpenOffice.org Mac porting team channel. Developers meetings every friday 21:00 UTC. All Mac port meetings logs are available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Mac_Meeting_logs
Nov 10 22:04:46 * Topic for #ooo_macport set by ericb2 at Sat Nov 4 10:42:28 2006
Nov 10 22:04:46 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ericb2
Nov 10 22:04:46 * #ooo_macport :[freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
Nov 10 22:04:58 ericb2 good evening
Nov 10 22:05:13 ericb2 looks like I again have connectivity problems :-/
Nov 10 22:05:29 ericb2 Can we start ?
Nov 10 22:05:42 ismael_ paveljanik: i have read quickly your patch, and indeed it doesn't seems too complicated nor too long
Nov 10 22:05:52 paveljanik ismael_: ;-)
Nov 10 22:05:55 ismael_ ericb2: hello
Nov 10 22:05:56 paveljanik ericb2: yes
Nov 10 22:06:11 ericb2 ismael_: i
Nov 10 22:06:25 ericb2 Point 1: Welcome new devs /Aqua News
Nov 10 22:06:26 shaunmcdonald ericb2: aye
Nov 10 22:06:33 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: yea ;-)
Nov 10 22:06:57 ericb2 new devs around ?
Nov 10 22:06:58 * cloph_away is now known as cloph
Nov 10 22:09:19 * spiral says : I'm gonna look into all this and try to find time to help :-)
Nov 10 22:09:55 ericb2 spiral: great. Don't hesitate to ask if you ned informations
Nov 10 22:10:06 spiral ericb2: yeah, thanks :-)
Nov 10 22:10:13 ericb2 well lets continue with last Aqua news ?
Nov 10 22:10:28 ericb2 paveljanik: something new ?
Nov 10 22:10:37 paveljanik ericb2: nothing from my side.
Nov 10 22:10:45 paveljanik menuimages is oooold
Nov 10 22:11:08 ericb2 from my side, I have stopped to work for native controls for several reasons
Nov 10 22:11:19 ismael_ paveljanik: what the problem with menu image?
Nov 10 22:11:35 ericb2 first, the redrawing is painfull, and I'm not able to see if my changes are positive or not
Nov 10 22:11:58 paveljanik ismael_: problems: alpha channel doesn't work somehow - see pink background. We were nto able to solve it with Christian L.
Nov 10 22:12:14 paveljanik the second issue is that images are transparent and they look ugly in menus ;-)
Nov 10 22:12:17 ismael_ paveljanik: ok i will look at it
Nov 10 22:13:03 paveljanik BTW - I plan to change the default for AQUA_NATIVE_MENUS to TRUE, because almost everyone is using them now anyway ;-)
Nov 10 22:13:30 Fridrich good choice paveljanik :-)
Nov 10 22:13:41 paveljanik Fridrich: ? ;-)
Nov 10 22:13:58 paveljanik but I still would like to be able to disable them in the same build.
Nov 10 22:14:10 ismael_ paveljanik: sorry i don't understand
Nov 10 22:14:18 Fridrich --with-aqua-menus=no
Nov 10 22:14:29 paveljanik ismael_: at runtime you can disable native menus and see vcl menus.
Nov 10 22:14:38 Fridrich aha
Nov 10 22:14:40 ismael_ paveljanik: ok
Nov 10 22:14:42 paveljanik at least this is my goal.
Nov 10 22:14:57 ismael_ why?
Nov 10 22:15:02 paveljanik debugging, ...
Nov 10 22:15:06 ismael_ ok
Nov 10 22:15:22 paveljanik e.g. have a look at Help menu - the last entry there is separator here...
Nov 10 22:15:33 ericb2 paveljanik: just an issue I often see using native menus : when you quit ->crash because there is one Apple Quit menu and a second one ( the OpenOffice.org one)
Nov 10 22:16:32 ericb2 paveljanik: what I guess is : the events do not propagate correctly to the Apple menu
Nov 10 22:16:40 paveljanik ericb2: Quit doesn't quit here - it only prints "Quit from application menu received!". The crash is probably your local modification.
Nov 10 22:16:46 ismael_ ericb2: a linked problem is that clicking on Openoffice.org>quit from the app menu doesn't work
Nov 10 22:16:58 paveljanik ericb2: and Quit from OOo menu is OK and quits.
Nov 10 22:17:01 paveljanik all without crash.
Nov 10 22:17:14 ericb2 paveljanik: and does crash here
Nov 10 22:17:17 paveljanik I have just verified it in my build.
Nov 10 22:17:22 ismael_ no sometimes i had crash
Nov 10 22:17:23 paveljanik crash -> stack. Please show it.
Nov 10 22:17:35 ericb2 paveljanik: I already provided you the stack
Nov 10 22:17:53 paveljanik IIRC only vcl67 issues so far. Please send me it again.
Nov 10 22:17:57 * ericb2 does a collection of back traces ;-)
Nov 10 22:18:06 paveljanik ok, what next?
Nov 10 22:18:09 ericb2 paveljanik: no problem, I'll do
Nov 10 22:18:18 ericb2 second, I can't draw native fonts into listbox/comboboxes, because natives fonts ..don't work as expected
Nov 10 22:18:33 ericb2 so I started to work for salatslayout
Nov 10 22:18:42 ericb2 and I already found some bugs
Nov 10 22:19:02 ericb2 this is coupled to the use of .. let me find my notes
Nov 10 22:19:40 paveljanik ericb2: is it possible to commit/send your native widgets changes? I'd like to see this work in the cws...
Nov 10 22:20:14 ericb2 paveljanik: yes, I'll talk about that after. I just want to describe what I did but I have no http currently .. my provider really s...
Nov 10 22:20:35 ericb2 first , I have analysed bad (?) param rArgs.mpStr returned from
Nov 10 22:20:44 ericb2 ATSLayout::LayoutText()
Nov 10 22:21:06 ericb2 this is not UTF-8 nor UTF-16 ..
Nov 10 22:21:20 ericb2 I started to replace
Nov 10 22:21:30 ericb2 ATSUGetGlyphInfo
Nov 10 22:21:31 * mav_eric_ (n=mav_eric@xdsl-195-14-202-5.netcologne.de) has joined #ooo_macport
Nov 10 22:21:32 ericb2 obsolete
Nov 10 22:21:45 ericb2 and I read a lot about UTF :-)
Nov 10 22:22:01 ericb2 this is work in progress, but now I see better what has to be done
Nov 10 22:22:30 ericb2 and there is an existing version of multisallayout in common part
Nov 10 22:22:59 ericb2 just with my changes, I got funky effects with fonts, but this is IMHO a progress
Nov 10 22:23:21 ericb2 that's all for fonts, and I'll have more time next week
Nov 10 22:23:40 ericb2 now for native controls, I'll implement part by part, waiting for feedback
Nov 10 22:23:57 ericb2 simple buttons , scrollbar first ...etc
Nov 10 22:24:26 ericb2 same thing : I didn't find the time to do it before. Sorry for being late with that
Nov 10 22:24:44 ericb2 that's all for my part
Nov 10 22:25:09 ericb2 fheckl: did you progress with native filepicker ?
Nov 10 22:25:20 paveljanik ericb2: looks like mpStr is xub_Unicode which is sal_Unicode which is 16bit integer. Can you insert "az" into it and see what bytes are stored in it?
Nov 10 22:25:47 fheckl not much because of wanting it in the X11 version as well
Nov 10 22:26:07 ericb2 paveljanik: I'll note your suggestion and try
Nov 10 22:26:08 fheckl that's why I am also working on a droplet replacement
Nov 10 22:26:32 * mav_eric has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))
Nov 10 22:26:46 fheckl I hope to have more for the dev meeting in Hamburg at least
Nov 10 22:27:14 ericb2 fheckl: if this is too much work, maybe simply give up ? no need to spend tooo much time if this is not possible or too complicated
Nov 10 22:27:51 fheckl it's not too complicated I just don't have that much time in total...
Nov 10 22:28:51 ericb2 fheckl: maybe someone can help you ? describing a todo list on the wiki would perhaps help ?
Nov 10 22:30:06 fheckl yes, I know I promised to write something on the wiki. I will definitely do it.
Nov 10 22:31:16 ericb2 fheckl: thank you :-)
Nov 10 22:31:32 ericb2 ybart: no news ?
Nov 10 22:31:50 ybart ericb2: Not this week
Nov 10 22:31:57 ericb2 ybart: ok, thanks :-
Nov 10 22:31:59 ericb2 :-)
Nov 10 22:32:06 ybart ericb2: I am still on my website project :-)
Nov 10 22:32:18 ybart ericb2: It's taking more time than I thought
Nov 10 22:32:28 ericb2 ybart: and me writing exam subjects ;-)
Nov 10 22:32:34 ybart ericb2: ;-)
Nov 10 22:32:44 ericb2 ok, Point 2 now ?
Nov 10 22:32:54 ericb2 Point 2: point on Native port
Nov 10 22:33:03 ericb2 just a short point
Nov 10 22:33:15 ericb2 I know ybart is working on printing
Nov 10 22:33:30 ericb2 and fheckl orks on native filepicker
Nov 10 22:33:49 ericb2 ismael_ will work on menus, and have a look at alpha channel
Nov 10 22:34:01 ericb2 am I wrong ?
Nov 10 22:34:48 ericb2 for native controls, I estimate the remaining work to 40% ( 60 % is IMHO done, but needs reveiw)
Nov 10 22:35:14 ericb2 the list/combo boxes are still a mystery for me, and I need to learn more the API
Nov 10 22:35:49 ericb2 that's the reason why I try to continue with ATS
Nov 10 22:36:04 paveljanik ismael_: what about your JCA? ;-)
Nov 10 22:36:20 paveljanik ismael_: I'd like to read/integrate your menu patch... ;-)
Nov 10 22:37:22 ismael_ paveljanik: sorry, i competly forgot about the JCA, i will sign it tomorrow
Nov 10 22:37:32 paveljanik ismael_: thanks.
Nov 10 22:37:42 ismael_ paveljanik: i have deleted all ths tabs
Nov 10 22:37:49 ismael_ paveljanik: in the code
Nov 10 22:37:50 ybart I just checked, my name is still not on the JCA page...
Nov 10 22:37:54 ericb2 ismael_: great ;-)
Nov 10 22:38:02 ericb2 ybart: I'll ask stx123
Nov 10 22:38:12 paveljanik ismael_: if you have something final, I can have a deeper look at it.
Nov 10 22:38:13 ybart ericb2: Thanks :-)
Nov 10 22:38:20 ismael_ paveljanik: the code should look better
Nov 10 22:38:27 ericb2 ybart :... when present
Nov 10 22:38:41 ybart ericb2: Of course ;-)
Nov 10 22:39:08 ericb2 ybart: I don't see him now, but at office hours, should be ok
Nov 10 22:39:22 ybart ericb2: Ok, right
Nov 10 22:39:40 ericb2 Did I forgot someone for aqua work in progress ?
Nov 10 22:39:56 ericb2 sorry, I forgot Mox
Nov 10 22:40:08 ericb2 he's working on QuickTime player
Nov 10 22:40:28 ismael_ paveljanik: i uploaded the latest version of salmenu.cxx, sorry i hadn't had time to make a patch
Nov 10 22:40:33 ericb2 this work does concern avmedia
Nov 10 22:40:40 paveljanik ismael_: OK. I'll have a look.
Nov 10 22:41:15 ismael_ paveljanik: ericb2 sent me lessons on using diff and patch but i hadn't had time to read them
Nov 10 22:41:37 paveljanik ismael_: in this case: run diff -u salmenu.cxx.orig salmenu.cxx ;-)
Nov 10 22:42:00 ismael_ paveljanik: ok
Nov 10 22:42:21 ericb2 next point ?
Nov 10 22:42:44 shaunmcdonald Point 3: organize a gdb workshop for 2nd mac porter meeting ( Tino ? )
Nov 10 22:42:56 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: than you :-)
Nov 10 22:43:23 ericb2 tino: ?
Nov 10 22:44:01 shaunmcdonald ericb2: tino has been idle for the past 2 days and 4 hours
Nov 10 22:44:12 * Fridrich is now known as TrainedMonkey
Nov 10 22:44:46 tino Yes
Nov 10 22:45:02 tino No no tino is always online ;)
Nov 10 22:45:17 tino But has still little time ....
Nov 10 22:45:43 ericb2 tino: Hi Tino :-)
Nov 10 22:46:08 tino Eric and me thought that a gdb/general Mac OS X debugging tools workshop would be a good idea
Nov 10 22:46:45 obr +1
Nov 10 22:46:46 tino I said I volunteer for presenting my knowledge - though I'm far away from being a gdb guru
Nov 10 22:47:10 fheckl should it only be about gdb or also other tools like Shark and so on?
Nov 10 22:47:11 tino On the other hand it doesn't have to be a one-man show
Nov 10 22:47:36 tino I can start and everybody can contribute to the session.
Nov 10 22:47:45 paveljanik workshop :-)
Nov 10 22:47:47 tino I would like to learn more myself :)
Nov 10 22:47:49 paveljanik +1
Nov 10 22:47:58 ericb2 fheckl: other tools are possible, of course
Nov 10 22:48:06 * paveljanik already booked flight and hotel.
Nov 10 22:48:10 * ericb2 too
Nov 10 22:48:24 tino Yes other Mac OS X debugging tools too#
Nov 10 22:48:33 * fheckl just the flight
Nov 10 22:48:50 tino I think Pavel used some tooling for detecting mem leaks recently
Nov 10 22:48:58 tino Right Pavel?
Nov 10 22:49:06 paveljanik yup. Count with me - leaks presentation.
Nov 10 22:49:14 tino Great
Nov 10 22:49:24 ericb2 paveljanik: thank you :-)
Nov 10 22:49:56 ericb2 FYI, Kai explained me, tjhat for security reason, we will use one (big) room only
Nov 10 22:50:09 ismael_ paveljanik: i have uploaded the patch for salmenu.cxx
Nov 10 22:50:41 ericb2 this is the week end, it was the most simple solution to receive us in good conditions
Nov 10 22:51:01 paveljanik I don't think it is a problem.
Nov 10 22:51:04 tino ericb2: Not a big problem IMO
Nov 10 22:51:19 ericb2 and I'll come with two machines
Nov 10 22:51:30 ericb2 one mac mini (PowerPC)
Nov 10 22:51:36 ericb2 + one (don't know yet)
Nov 10 22:52:04 tino I will bring the big iMac along
Nov 10 22:52:14 ericb2 tino: great :-)
Nov 10 22:52:35 ericb2 I'll ask for one video projector ( ot sure this is english word)
Nov 10 22:52:39 ericb2 not sure
Nov 10 22:52:45 obr tino: did you feed it well ? ;-)
Nov 10 22:53:02 tino obr: Of course :)
Nov 10 22:53:14 obr ericb2: I think it's beamer
Nov 10 22:53:24 ericb2 obr: thank you !
Nov 10 22:53:58 ericb2 I'll ask Kai if we can have one beamer
Nov 10 22:54:35 shaunmcdonald obr: ericb2 was right with video projector
Nov 10 22:54:45 tino ericb2: I'm sure there will be at least 5 different beamers in their big conf.room ;)
Nov 10 22:54:59 * shaunmcdonald has never heard of a beamer
Nov 10 22:55:05 ericb2 tino: I think so ;-)
Nov 10 22:55:13 ericb2 ok, next point ?
Nov 10 22:55:22 ericb2 Point 4: Baseline for Mac OS X version. Proposed : stop to assume 10.3 compatibility after 2.1 ( i.e. starting 2.2)
Nov 10 22:55:23 shaunmcdonald Point 4: Baseline for Mac OS X version. Proposed : stop to assume 10.3 compatibility after 2.1 ( i.e. starting 2.2)
Nov 10 22:55:25 paveljanik obr: no, it is bemmer ;-)
Nov 10 22:55:30 paveljanik ok, ok ;-)
Nov 10 22:55:41 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: bemmer?
Nov 10 22:55:50 tino Insider joke
Nov 10 22:55:55 tino :)
Nov 10 22:55:58 paveljanik Outsider joke ;-)
Nov 10 22:55:58 shaunmcdonald tino: ah ok
Nov 10 22:56:00 * ericb2 understood
Nov 10 22:56:13 paveljanik insiders can't joke ;-)
Nov 10 22:56:39 paveljanik look like this should be removed from the log or I won't get meal next time when Sun pays the dinner ;-)
Nov 10 22:56:40 tino :)
Nov 10 22:57:10 ericb2 I think it's time to decide if we stop to assume 10.3 compatibility (or not )
Nov 10 22:57:30 paveljanik +1 from me, Tiger/gcc4 the baseline!
Nov 10 22:57:47 tino +1 from me as well
Nov 10 22:58:19 * spiral agrees... 10.3 is quite old and the libs / features they provide are not easy to handle
Nov 10 22:58:24 * shaunmcdonald thinks none of the developers have 10.3 anymore
Nov 10 22:58:46 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: no no ;-) I have even 10.2 somewhere
Nov 10 22:58:57 spiral ericb2: ouahh ;-)
Nov 10 22:59:04 obr shaunmcdonald: seems like it is a supposingly english word introduced by germans - like handy for mobile/cell phone
Nov 10 22:59:20 ericb2 who disagrees ?
Nov 10 23:00:29 obr time is over ;-)
Nov 10 23:00:31 fheckl +1 for Tiger
Nov 10 23:00:56 spiral Tiger 5 - Panther 0 :-P
Nov 10 23:01:30 * TrainedMonkey (n=fridrich@227-239.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) has left #ooo_macport
Nov 10 23:01:43 ericb2 ok, so starting 2.2, the baseline is 10.4 and gcc4
Nov 10 23:02:05 ericb2 we will have announce that on the website, and on the wiki
Nov 10 23:02:15 ericb2 s/have/have to/
Nov 10 23:02:23 shaunmcdonald ericb2: when will we announce that?
Nov 10 23:02:44 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: just after 2.1 is out ?
Nov 10 23:02:55 paveljanik can we put some form of poll for our users on our webpages?
Nov 10 23:03:01 shaunmcdonald ericb2: at the same time?
Nov 10 23:03:22 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: that is a good idea, but I see no easy way of collecting the data
Nov 10 23:03:27 paveljanik I'd prefer to announce it soon so people can tell us they only use Panther (if they do ;-)
Nov 10 23:03:28 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: no idea. Maybe wait a bit
Nov 10 23:03:52 ericb2 paveljanik: yes, good idea. We will count them.
Nov 10 23:03:56 ericb2 :)
Nov 10 23:04:49 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: how about announcing it this weekend, then the media will grab a hold of it and we'll sure see a response, if everyone is up in arms about it
Nov 10 23:04:51 ericb2 paveljanik: remember, when I told you Apple wanted to reverse the distribution of processors this year : majority for Intel
Nov 10 23:05:21 shaunmcdonald when is 2.2 scheduled?
Nov 10 23:05:32 * shaunmcdonald goes to see if he can find it in the wiki
Nov 10 23:05:38 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: in three months ?
Nov 10 23:06:44 shaunmcdonald ericb2: that would make it end February http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ OOoRelease22
Nov 10 23:06:51 shaunmcdonald http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Product_Release
Nov 10 23:07:10 shaunmcdonald From the wiki OpenOffice.org 2.2 estimated release: February 27th, 2007
Nov 10 23:07:19 * mav_eric_ agrees with Shaun.
Nov 10 23:07:36 shaunmcdonald By then Mac OS X 10.5 will either be released or imminent
Nov 10 23:07:46 mav_eric_ The earlier we inform the better we get feedback and can decided again once it proofes that 10.3 cannot be ignored
Nov 10 23:08:08 paveljanik so lets announce it next week?
Nov 10 23:08:17 paveljanik news on the web page?
Nov 10 23:08:18 ericb2 ok for next week
Nov 10 23:08:20 shaunmcdonald Thus the dropping of the earlier release could be done
Nov 10 23:08:24 ericb2 paveljanik: + blogs
Nov 10 23:08:30 ericb2 very efficient
Nov 10 23:08:37 shaunmcdonald ericb2: paveljanik: when next week ?
Nov 10 23:08:47 mav_eric_ by midweek
Nov 10 23:08:48 shaunmcdonald start / end
Nov 10 23:08:57 * ismael__ (n=ismael@169.75.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #ooo_macport
Nov 10 23:10:03 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: mav_eric_ I don't see Fredv78 but I think you could be our "press contact" : Fred for french, mav_eric_ for German and shaunmcdonald for english websites ...Etc
Nov 10 23:10:21 mav_eric_ mav_eric_: agreed
Nov 10 23:10:27 shaunmcdonald ericb2: ok
Nov 10 23:10:32 ericb2 I know Fred does have a very good contact too
Nov 10 23:10:40 mav_eric_ ericb2: we just need a good justification
Nov 10 23:10:41 * shaunmcdonald didn't get a very good response the last time though
Nov 10 23:11:03 shaunmcdonald only 1 published an article from about 8 contacted
Nov 10 23:11:11 shaunmcdonald mav_eric_: that is a good point
Nov 10 23:11:43 obr what about UB ?
Nov 10 23:11:48 mav_eric_ ericb2: it's not enought to just write: We drop 10.3 support to make it easier for devs
Nov 10 23:11:56 ismael__ i will go
Nov 10 23:11:58 ismael__ bye
Nov 10 23:12:05 ericb2 ismael_ bye
Nov 10 23:12:05 obr bye
Nov 10 23:12:06 mav_eric_ ismael_: bye
Nov 10 23:12:27 * ismael__ has quit (Client Quit)
Nov 10 23:12:41 * shaunmcdonald thinks that 10.4 and later will not install on any mac that does not have Firewire, thus users of older macs will be affected
Nov 10 23:12:47 mav_eric_ obr: in general UB is good but to be honest I find native Intel or native PPC faster or is it just imagination?
Nov 10 23:13:36 obr no idea
Nov 10 23:13:58 shaunmcdonald mav_eric_: it makes no difference from what I can see
Nov 10 23:14:06 fheckl sorry, have to go! good night to all :)
Nov 10 23:14:09 * fheckl has quit ()
Nov 10 23:14:25 * shaunmcdonald thinks that paveljanik has some patches for UB
Nov 10 23:14:49 obr I just though creating UB only works with Tiger, so if we want them ..
Nov 10 23:15:15 shaunmcdonald paveljanik has said that he would recommence UB work once he has an Intel machine
Nov 10 23:15:26 shaunmcdonald obr: UB works on 10.3.9 or later
Nov 10 23:15:27 paveljanik this still applies.
Nov 10 23:15:39 mav_eric_ yes but his mb pro hasn't arrived yet or?
Nov 10 23:15:45 paveljanik shaunmcdonald: UB works starting from 10.2 ;-)
Nov 10 23:15:55 paveljanik mav_eric_: no, there is no MB Pro C2D in CZ yet :-(
Nov 10 23:16:05 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: does it?
Nov 10 23:16:08 paveljanik my is scheduled to be 15/11 in CZ
Nov 10 23:16:25 paveljanik but I'll be on vacation then ;-)
Nov 10 23:16:27 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: 5 days to go
Nov 10 23:16:33 paveljanik more ;-)
Nov 10 23:17:24 obr so we do not have any reasons other than additional effort to compile & test on panther, do we ?
Nov 10 23:17:36 obr to drop Tiger I mean
Nov 10 23:17:52 shaunmcdonald obr: s/Tiger/Panther
Nov 10 23:17:54 paveljanik obr: we do not have environment to test on it.
Nov 10 23:18:08 paveljanik gcc-3.3 is buggy in several aspects
Nov 10 23:18:13 paveljanik reject valid code
Nov 10 23:18:24 obr shaunmcdonald: thanks :-)
Nov 10 23:18:25 paveljanik doesn't support all warnings
Nov 10 23:18:56 paveljanik Panther has problems with localization etc.
Nov 10 23:19:16 paveljanik and we want to have the same baseline on both PPC and Intel ;-)
Nov 10 23:19:41 paveljanik the last argument is the most important (at least for me)
Nov 10 23:20:15 ericb2 ok, last Pantehr version will be 2.1
Nov 10 23:20:32 ericb2 last but not least, Aqua version is not 10.3 compatible
Nov 10 23:20:44 obr we might add that we think Panther is no longer used widely
Nov 10 23:20:47 ericb2 because of some changes Christian Lippka did
Nov 10 23:20:49 mav_eric_ ericb2: so two important points.
Nov 10 23:21:14 tino I have to wrap up. cu later, good night!
Nov 10 23:21:18 ericb2 and maintain everything eats a lot of resources, needs harware ..etc
Nov 10 23:21:20 mav_eric_ 1. Aqua build - once it is out - is 10.3.x incompatible and 2. same baseline for both PPC and Intel
Nov 10 23:21:21 ericb2 tino: cu !
Nov 10 23:21:26 obr tino: good night
Nov 10 23:21:27 mav_eric_ cu tino
Nov 10 23:21:31 paveljanik bye
Nov 10 23:21:51 * ismael_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
Nov 10 23:21:54 mav_eric_ and 3. We have no Apple test labor with all hardware stuff etc
Nov 10 23:22:12 ericb2 Can we start next point ?
Nov 10 23:22:15 ericb2 Point 5: TODO for version 2.1 - what is missing?
Nov 10 23:22:32 shaunmcdonald The important points are: * unable to test the Panther builds any more due to lack of developer support and hardware * Aqua needs 10.4
Nov 10 23:22:42 shaunmcdonald (for previous point)
Nov 10 23:22:57 shaunmcdonald point 5:
Nov 10 23:23:21 shaunmcdonald Info.plist file needs to be updated, and there is a patch available
Nov 10 23:23:32 paveljanik so - several 2.0 -> 2.1 changes, DSStore...
Nov 10 23:23:55 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: that's right
Nov 10 23:24:02 ericb2 gcc-3.3 parser in desktop
Nov 10 23:24:28 paveljanik I plan to open pj67 for last changes for 2.1.
Nov 10 23:24:55 shaunmcdonald DS_Store file will need to be updated for every release from now on, since the application has 2.X, where X is the release
Nov 10 23:25:07 ericb2 BTW, vcl is building, soon in dektop. I have written a first patch, bu I don't know if I fixed everything, and I need to build desktop for true to be sure
Nov 10 23:25:36 paveljanik ericb2: first patch?
Nov 10 23:25:43 paveljanik for the desktop?
Nov 10 23:25:54 paveljanik the one sb added to the issue?
Nov 10 23:25:56 ericb2 paveljanik: yes, Any e() ..etc
Nov 10 23:26:04 spiral shaunmcdonald: what is the link with DS_Store ?
Nov 10 23:26:04 paveljanik ok
Nov 10 23:26:05 ericb2 paveljanik: is it the only reason
Nov 10 23:26:29 ericb2 paveljanik: I'm not sure, maybe other ( ) are needed
Nov 10 23:26:31 shaunmcdonald spiral: DS_Store places the icons and background in the disk image
Nov 10 23:27:06 spiral shaunmcdonald: hmmm, all right, in the dmg :-)
Nov 10 23:27:07 shaunmcdonald spiral: If you have used any recent build you will have noticed a bit of a problem with the positions of the icons
Nov 10 23:27:17 paveljanik shaunmcdonald: so use 2.@ instead and run sed over it with the real version number ;-)
Nov 10 23:27:17 spiral ok
Nov 10 23:27:35 ericb2 when is the dead (death) line for 2.1 ?
Nov 10 23:27:45 paveljanik ericb2: soon
Nov 10 23:28:03 ericb2 paveljanik: so, nice week end to come
Nov 10 23:28:37 ericb2 last important fix : Oliver provided a new patch for AFP
Nov 10 23:28:57 ericb2 and I 'm waiting for feedback
Nov 10 23:29:17 ericb2 it would be great to integrate this change too in 2.1
Nov 10 23:30:12 ericb2 other questions ?
Nov 10 23:31:25 paveljanik who will do dsstore change?
Nov 10 23:31:25 shaunmcdonald ericb2: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease205
Nov 10 23:32:03 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: issue 70704
Nov 10 23:32:06 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: thanks. Looks very close :-/
Nov 10 23:32:09 IZBot porting DEFECT NEW OpenOffice.org icon in the wrong place in the disk image http:// qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70704
Nov 10 23:32:21 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: does you DS_Store work ?
Nov 10 23:32:23 ericb2 your
Nov 10 23:33:13 paveljanik shaunmcdonald: so I added myself to the CC: ;-)
Nov 10 23:33:44 * shaunmcdonald thinks it would be best to run over the list again just in case it has a problem with the link stuff I was testing
Nov 10 23:34:08 shaunmcdonald s/list/list of instructions in issue
Nov 10 23:34:35 ericb2 shaunmcdonald: I'll test your DS_Store
Nov 10 23:35:06 ericb2 Other points to discuss ?
Nov 10 23:35:17 * shaunmcdonald thinks the fact that the file is missing would just be ignored
Nov 10 23:35:45 shaunmcdonald we have less a than a week to get all CWSes integrated
Nov 10 23:36:04 paveljanik so I think we should do it all in one CWS and test it carefully.
Nov 10 23:36:15 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: +1
Nov 10 23:36:21 ericb2 paveljanik: yes. I can test it
Nov 10 23:36:35 * shaunmcdonald can too
Nov 10 23:36:35 paveljanik with the help of our buildbots :-)
Nov 10 23:36:45 ericb2 paveljanik: sure :-)
Nov 10 23:36:47 paveljanik we all have to test it.
Nov 10 23:36:58 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: we only have one at the moment on the mac
Nov 10 23:37:19 paveljanik one automatic and several manual ;-)
Nov 10 23:37:28 ericb2 :-)
Nov 10 23:37:32 shaunmcdonald paveljanik: :-)
Nov 10 23:38:17 * shaunmcdonald thinks we would need to check the CWS builds on the other platforms
Nov 10 23:38:34 paveljanik shaunmcdonald: if it touches DSStore, no need.
Nov 10 23:38:41 paveljanik desktop's change has to be tested, yes.
Nov 10 23:38:42 mav_eric_ and a second bot - but aqua bot soon
Nov 10 23:38:52 shaunmcdonald mav_eric_: :-)
Nov 10 23:39:09 paveljanik ok, next point?
Nov 10 23:39:15 ericb2 Point 6 : Date and Time of the next meeting
Nov 10 23:39:31 shaunmcdonald ericb2: your too fast ;-)
Nov 10 23:39:33 ericb2 same hour, friday 17th november ?
Nov 10 23:39:51 shaunmcdonald ericb2: +1
Nov 10 23:39:52 paveljanik I won't be available next week, I'll be on vacation ;-)
Nov 10 23:39:58 paveljanik but +1
Nov 10 23:40:03 ericb2 paveljanik: have nice time ;-)
Nov 10 23:40:17 obr +1
Nov 10 23:40:48 ericb2 ok, see you sooon .I'll post the log as usual, and sleep a bit
Nov 10 23:40:53 ericb2 cu !
Nov 10 23:41:05 shaunmcdonald bye
Nov 10 23:41:07 obr good night
Nov 10 23:41:19 * obr has quit ()
Return to Mac_meetings_November_2006 ?
