Log Mac Meeting June 11th 2008

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[15:01]	<hdu_hh>	meeting?
[15:01]	<fne>	meeting!
[15:02]	<hdu_hh>	our WWDC attendes wanted to show up if possible, but it doesn"t look so
[15:03]	<hdu_hh>	1) welcome new contributors
[15:04]	<hdu_hh>	only known names here, just one new: inco
[15:04]	<hdu_hh>	inco: would you like to introduce yourself?
[15:05]	===	inco <n=gnito@set25-1-88-166-170-28.fbx.proxad.net>
[15:05]	===	inco: member of #ooo_macport, #fr.openoffice.org, and #education.openoffice.org
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[15:06]	<hdu_hh>	hi PhilippL!!!
[15:06]	<PhilippL>	hi
[15:07]	<PhilippL>	so, the xor selection problem I saw on aquavcl08
[15:07]	<PhilippL>	If it is not in aquabmpfix02, then I'm happy.
[15:07]	<hdu_hh>	me too :-)
[15:07]	<PhilippL>	did you see it in aquavcl08 ?
[15:08]	<hdu_hh>	since aquabmpfix02 was joined into aquavcl08 I"d be surprised if there were differences
[15:09]	<PhilippL>	my thinking, too, that's why I'm wondering
[15:09]	<hdu_hh>	let me check
[15:10]	<hdu_hh>	don"t have an uptodate aquavcl08 +> later
[15:10]	<hdu_hh>	PhilippL: any news for OOo from WWDC?
[15:10]	<PhilippL>	Nothing ground shaking like the abandonig of carbon.
[15:11]	<PhilippL>	but they gave us lots of pointers for various things
[15:11]	<fne>	I read on heise.de that OS X 10.6 will no longer support Carbon
[15:12]	<PhilippL>	They are reducing carbon even more, yes.
[15:12]	<PhilippL>	And from now on the thing to do is provide a unified binary 32/64 bit
[15:12]	<hdu_hh>	relevant for us?
[15:12]	<PhilippL>	(which we can't do)
[15:13]	<hdu_hh>	i mean: are the carbon-reductions in OSX relevant for us?
[15:13]	<PhilippL>	Well it is relevant to us if OOo doesnt run anymore :-)
[15:13]	<PhilippL>	They did not say what they actually will remove.
[15:14]	<hdu_hh>	I like their approach to backwards compatibility
[15:14]	<hdu_hh>	if we did the same it would save us a lot of work
[15:14]	<PhilippL>	and a lot of users ...
[15:15]	<PhilippL>	Anyway we saw an interesting apple scripting session.
[15:15]	<hdu_hh>	with the right marketing it is obviously an easy sell
[15:15]	<hdu_hh>	have a look at the AAPL stock ticker...
[15:15]	<PhilippL>	also voice commands and a few other interesting things.
[15:16]	<PhilippL>	the AAPL ticker I would at the moment compare to nokia rather.
[15:17]	<PhilippL>	Of course the new iPhone is all the rage here.
[15:17]	<PhilippL>	Actually one could probably do a port to iPhone, but one would really have to use cocoa widgets then.
[15:18]	<PhilippL>	But the hardware seems to be capable enough.
[15:18]	<PhilippL>	Well, good luck for anyone trying :-)
[15:19]	<hdu_hh>	PhilippL: I"ll try: get me a few of those thingies
[15:19]	<PhilippL>	;-)
[15:20]	<PhilippL>	Accessibiltywise I met those Apple engineers and they said we're on a good way.
[15:20]	<fne>	nice try hdu_hh
[15:21]	<hdu_hh>	fne: :-)
[15:21]	<fne>	PhilippL: cool, thanks
[15:21]	<fne>	did you meet Patti Hoa?
[15:22]	* obr	got some e-mail asking which developers might be interested in/capable of creating an ODF viewer for the iPhone
[15:22]	<PhilippL>	Uh, no, one Douglas Davidson and (Jack ?) Dempsey
[15:22]	<fne>	James Dempsey
[15:23]	<PhilippL>	sorry, yes, james
[15:23]	<fne>	i see, they are both involved in the NSAccessibility protocol itself, Patti is a VoiceOver developer. she gave much valuable input
[15:24]	<fne>	if you see them again, give them a big "thank you" from me
[15:24]	<PhilippL>	They gave a very good demo here. They have a blind QA engineer and he showed us through a session with iTunes and iMail.
[15:24]	<PhilippL>	fne: will do.
[15:25]	<hdu_hh>	any other feedback on OOo from WWDC+attendees?
[15:25]	<PhilippL>	It's amazing, in real life it seems blin people turn up the voiceover speed to where mere mortals like me cannot understand what the speaker is saying anymore.
[15:26]	<PhilippL>	well, the people we met all said they were glad OOo came to MacOSX natively.
[15:26]	<PhilippL>	Everybody is very polite here :-)
[15:26]	<hdu_hh>	they better be :-)
[15:27]	<PhilippL>	In the meantim we seem to have fixed some issues that e.g. Douglas found with the beta and produced some new ones :-)
[15:27]	<PhilippL>	The selection thing being the most visible.
[15:27]	<hdu_hh>	PhilippL: confirming the scroll problems you saw in aquavcl08
[15:27]	<hdu_hh>	please the the join
[15:28]	<PhilippL>	hdu_hh: pardon ?
[15:28]	<hdu_hh>	please check that the joining went well
[15:28]	<PhilippL>	It did without conflicts and built afterwards, what else would I look for ?
[15:28]	<hdu_hh>	I"ll check too
[15:29]	<PhilippL>	thanks
[15:30]	<PhilippL>	what time is it actually ? Was the meeting already ?
[15:30]	<hdu_hh>	did you distribute the OOo build to some multiplicators?
[15:30]	<hdu_hh>	it 15:30 here
[15:30]	<hdu_hh>	this is the meeting
[15:30]	<PhilippL>	Oh !
[15:31]	<hdu_hh>	and you are the star guest!!! :-)
[15:31]	<PhilippL>	I distributed the OOo version to Douglas, he will make some copies I assume.
[15:31]	<fne>	PhilippL: you just hopped into "#1 welcome new developers"
[15:31]	<PhilippL>	oops, sorry.
[15:31]	<hdu_hh>	no problem
[15:31]	<fne>	there wasn't any, so this is much more interesting
[15:31]	<hdu_hh>	+1
[15:32]	<hdu_hh>	anything else, or should we proceed to 2) status of CWSses
[15:33]	<hdu_hh>	no objections so: 2) status of child workspaces
[15:33]	<hdu_hh>	aquavcl08 needs some love...
[15:33]	<fne>	aqua11y02 is in its final stage and should be ready for QA by the middle of next week
[15:34]	<hdu_hh>	aquabmpfix02 is almost approved by QA, except one issue cannot be verified because there is no OSX10.4 in QA anymore :-(
[15:34]	<PhilippL>	hdu_hh: use so-mac2 ?
[15:34]	<hdu_hh>	PhilippL: can you send WG the login details?
[15:34]	<PhilippL>	you'll have to bring your own mouse, though.
[15:34]	<hdu_hh>	BYOM, so to say
[15:35]	<fne>	today and tomorrow they could use my Mini, I have dual-boot and I am working from home
[15:35]	<fne>	just call me, so i can unlock the desktopn via VNC
[15:37]	<hdu_hh>	I"ll tell WG
[15:37]	<hdu_hh>	as far as I see the three most critical bugs you+PL+me fixed were only visible on 10.4
[15:38]	<fne>	japp, ericb sent me a crash stacktrace today. that issue only occurs on Tiger
[15:38]	<PhilippL>	yes, that one I forgot to mention. Any idea ?
[15:39]	<fne>	issue 90575
[15:39]	<IZBot>	porting DEFECT RESOLVED FIXED P2 [aqua11y] Crash probably linked with accessibility bridge http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=90575
[15:39]	<PhilippL>	oh, good !
[15:39]	<fne>	you mean that one?
[15:39]	<PhilippL>	yes, that one.
[15:40]	<fne>	the NSPopUp-thingy called accessibility even when a11y is deactivated on Tiger
[15:40]	<fne>	sick
[15:40]	<PhilippL>	ah, yes.
[15:40]	<hdu_hh>	PhilippL: is it possible for us to get direct access into Apple"s bugtracking system?
[15:41]	<PhilippL>	as much as you have already with your apple developer account.
[15:41]	<hdu_hh>	so we could watch the status of these bugs and prod the developers with urgent milestones and high priorities?
[15:41]	<hdu_hh>	such as in our nice issuetracker?
[15:41]	<PhilippL>	If I remember correctly, you cannot search very well and only see the issues you filed yourself.
[15:42]	<hdu_hh>	I start to appreciate Apples ways...
[15:42]	<PhilippL>	Actually they told me to file two new isses
[15:42]	<PhilippL>	one of multi page format print jobs.
[15:43]	<PhilippL>	and one for setting the language as an attribute so voiceover can read a multilingual doc
[15:43]	<hdu_hh>	BTW: when will ATSUI wither away?
[15:44]	<PhilippL>	From there point of view it has :-)
[15:44]	<hdu_hh>	:-(
[15:44]	<PhilippL>	I'll ask again when I meet someone from coretext today.
[15:44]	<hdu_hh>	ah, thanks! Looking forward to this.
[15:47]	<hdu_hh>	anything else? or is it time for 3) RoundTable
[15:48]	<PhilippL>	I think we arrived there already :-)
[15:48]	<hdu_hh>	I had the same impression :-)
[15:49]	<fne>	i think 3) is done ;-)
[15:49]	<hdu_hh>	+1 from me
[15:49]	<hdu_hh>	last chance to speak up...
[15:49]	<hdu_hh>	3...
[15:49]	<fne>	or remain silent forever...
[15:49]	<hdu_hh>	or next week
[15:50]	<fne>	;-)
[15:50]	<hdu_hh>	or anytime the famous IRC #ooo_macport opens its super secret doors
[15:50]	<hdu_hh>	2...
[15:50]	<hdu_hh>	1...
[15:50]	<fne>	is this ebay?
[15:51]	<hdu_hh>	iBay
[15:51]	<hdu_hh>	0
[15:51]	<hdu_hh>	good bye everyone!
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