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[2008-01-02 14:04:50] <fne> okay, i thought you wre still on vacation...
[2008-01-02 14:04:56] <PhilippL> I am :-)
[2008-01-02 14:05:09] =-= cloph_awa1 is now known as cloph
[2008-01-02 14:05:10] <fne> :-) ... and by the way: happy new year...
[2008-01-02 14:05:25] <PhilippL> yes, a happy new year to everybody
[2008-01-02 14:05:36] =-= Mode #ooo_macport +o cloph  by ChanServ
[2008-01-02 14:06:11] <cloph> yes, happy new year! :-)
[2008-01-02 14:07:02] <PhilippL> 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port
[2008-01-02 14:07:10] <PhilippL> anybody new around ?
[2008-01-02 14:07:21] |<-- lgodard has left freenode ("Leaving.")
[2008-01-02 14:08:10] <PhilippL> 2. Current state of the open CWS's
[2008-01-02 14:08:45] <fne> aqua11y01 hasn't changed alot since last meeting due to winter break...
[2008-01-02 14:08:59] <fne> currently working on minor problems
[2008-01-02 14:09:10] <fne> action mapping is working
[2008-01-02 14:10:21] <PhilippL> aquavcl04 is still in QA I presume.
[2008-01-02 14:10:30] <ericb2> hello all. Happy New Year everybody
[2008-01-02 14:10:45] <PhilippL> ... and various CWS waiting for a resync containing it.
[2008-01-02 14:10:58] <ericb2> PhilippL: status quo for nativeprintdlg01
[2008-01-02 14:11:17] <PhilippL> ericb2: yes ?
[2008-01-02 14:11:50] <ericb2> PhilippL: I'm waiting for opinions : is it ok or not ok to declare it as ready for QA ?
[2008-01-02 14:12:05] <PhilippL> ericb2: I thoughtit already was ?
[2008-01-02 14:12:29] <ericb2> PhilippL: no, I was waiting for feedback
[2008-01-02 14:13:00] <ericb2> PhilippL: and jsi told me he couldn't QA it, before some times
[2008-01-02 14:13:39] <PhilippL> oh, it's ok from my POV
[2008-01-02 14:14:53] <ericb2> PhilippL: onice. Then I still need a QA rsp
[2008-01-02 14:14:55] <ericb2> resp.
[2008-01-02 14:15:49] <PhilippL> did jsi suggest anybody ?
[2008-01-02 14:16:08] <ericb2> PhilippL: I don't remember
[2008-01-02 14:16:35] <PhilippL> he'll be back next week, so perhaps he will QA it after all.
[2008-01-02 14:17:48] <ericb2> PhilippL: I need someone for a little cws. The QA is very easy, and it would help to use it: stl4leopardppc. To use system stl instead of the internal one
[2008-01-02 14:19:00] <PhilippL> Is there actually anything PPC specific in it ?
[2008-01-02 14:19:02] <hdu_hh> PhilippL: jsi is already back
[2008-01-02 14:19:31] <ericb2> PhilippL: in fact, I did the cws for PPC, but it is ok for all versions. imho
[2008-01-02 14:19:43] <ericb2> PhilippL: Apple does not maintain PowerPC correctly
[2008-01-02 14:19:49] <ericb2> PhilippL: and build using stl is safer
[2008-01-02 14:19:53] <ericb2> system stl
[2008-01-02 14:21:13] <paveljanik> if they do not maintain it properly isn't it safer to use stlport?
[2008-01-02 14:21:39] <ericb2> paveljanik: XCode is not correctly maintained. I have read a lot of issues on XCode list
[2008-01-02 14:21:57] <ericb2> paveljanik: the system is maintained. Sorry for my bad explanation
[2008-01-02 14:23:31] <ericb2> and build using stl solves a lot of strange issues  on Leopard PPC
[2008-01-02 14:23:40] <PhilippL> if the patches attached to both issues in that CWS are all, then sure it is safe enough.
[2008-01-02 14:24:01] <ericb2> PhilippL: yes, this is just some little patches
[2008-01-02 14:24:14] <ericb2> PhilippL: nothing important, but build breaker if not present
[2008-01-02 14:25:06] <PhilippL> however there seem to be more modules in that CWS than the patches show ?
[2008-01-02 14:25:20] <ericb2> PhilippL: which one ?
[2008-01-02 14:25:43] <PhilippL> connectivity and cosv ?
[2008-01-02 14:26:36] <ericb2> PhilippL: historically, caolan wrote some patches ( and Noel Power too ). but cmcfixes39 was already iunder QA when I asked Caolan to add my little patches
[2008-01-02 14:26:50] <ericb2> PhilippL: and I had to duplicate the changes to complete my cws
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[2008-01-02 14:28:05] <PhilippL> cmcfixes39 is integrated in m240
[2008-01-02 14:28:43] <ericb2> PhilippL: indeed, and I have resync'ed since
[2008-01-02 14:29:08] <ericb2> PhilippL: m241 should resync easely too
[2008-01-02 14:33:16] <PhilippL> I guess then we're at
[2008-01-02 14:33:20] <PhilippL> 3. Roundtable
[2008-01-02 14:33:34] <ericb2> PhilippL: and for stl4leopardppc ?
[2008-01-02 14:34:10] <PhilippL> ericb2: ? You're seeking for a QARep, yes ?
[2008-01-02 14:34:19] <ericb2> PhilippL: yes. I'm stuck
[2008-01-02 14:34:36] <PhilippL> Stuck ?
[2008-01-02 14:34:47] <ericb2> PhilippL: I can't be both contributor and QA resp
[2008-01-02 14:35:30] <ericb2> PhilippL: what I need is the confirmation the build is ok for all other versions
[2008-01-02 14:36:31] <PhilippL> Yes. And someone to run the automated test suite.
[2008-01-02 14:36:41] <PhilippL> Perhaps jsi can suggest someone ?
[2008-01-02 14:36:52] <ericb2> PhilippL: sure :)
[2008-01-02 14:37:24] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: Can you build that CWS and talk to jogi finding a QARep ?
[2008-01-02 14:37:49] <hdu_hh> PhilippL: for PPC?
[2008-01-02 14:37:59] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: no, for the usual candidates
[2008-01-02 14:38:19] <hdu_hh> ok, for everything but PPC then
[2008-01-02 14:38:23] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: it seems the main difference is a const declaration  and two includes.
[2008-01-02 14:39:29] <ericb2> hdu_hh: yes + one missing const
[2008-01-02 14:40:44] <hdu_hh> Since the stlport interoperability issues are probably not directly visible probably SB should QA it
[2008-01-02 14:41:16] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: yes and no, stlport is not part of that CWS.
[2008-01-02 14:41:27] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: and we build with system stl on other platforms, too.
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[2008-01-02 14:42:39] <hdu_hh> AFAIK the point of using a legacy STL was binary interoperability issues?
[2008-01-02 14:42:40] <hdu_hh> Do we know that today's XCode stlport will be binary compatible with future versions?
[2008-01-02 14:44:59] <ericb2> hdu_hh: this is true for TIger, and Leopard
[2008-01-02 14:45:35] <hdu_hh> ericb2: so the CWS is almost RFQ, except that it needs testable builds?
[2008-01-02 14:45:42] <ericb2> hdu_hh: exactly
[2008-01-02 14:46:21] <hdu_hh> ok, I'll start building wntmsci10.pro, unxlngi6.pro and unxsols4.pro then
[2008-01-02 14:46:22] <ericb2> hdu_hh: the other idea was to continue to use internal stlport for a while, the time to verify nothing is wrong
[2008-01-02 14:46:29] <ericb2> hdu_hh: thank you !
[2008-01-02 14:47:03] <ericb2> hdu_hh: automated testtool will help a lot to see whether something wrong appears
[2008-01-02 14:48:26] <ericb2> Back to the Roundtable : I proposed to attend FOSDEM 2008, the idea is to contribute for dev-room with e.g. thorsten. Just waiting for the confirmation my expenses will be funded
[2008-01-02 14:49:01] <ericb2> I have some ideas for workshiop
[2008-01-02 14:49:49] <PhilippL> Who will fund that ?
[2008-01-02 14:50:25] <ericb2> PhilippL: I have asked the CC ... more than a month ago
[2008-01-02 14:50:59] <PhilippL> Let's hope they come up with a decision in the timeframe :-)
[2008-01-02 14:51:18] <ericb2> PhilippL: sure. I expect an answer before the FOSDEM  ;-)
[2008-01-02 14:52:08] <ericb2> 23th - 24th of February FYI
[2008-01-02 14:53:47] <PhilippL> Any other open points ?
[2008-01-02 14:54:31] <ericb2> what is the plan for aquavcl05 ?
[2008-01-02 14:57:29] <PhilippL> resync to a master containing aquavcl04 and add issues to it. No big plan else.
[2008-01-02 14:57:40] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok, that's a good idea