Previous Education Meetings logs/October 2009/29nd October
[18:00] <ericb2> Meeting time ?
[18:01] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, yes
[18:01] <ericb2> Twarz: Kidd : ping ?
[18:01] <Kidd> ericb2, pong
[18:02] <ericb2> thorsten is excused, and advertised me he"d not be able to attend
[18:02] <ericb2> pierrep_: around ?
[18:02] <ericb2> Kidd: hello :-)
[18:02] <ericb2> Let's go
[18:02] <ericb2> Agenda for 29th of October 2009 meeting :
[18:02] <pierrep_> ericb2, yep
[18:02] <ericb2> 1. Welcome new students/ devs
[18:02] <ericb2> 2. ClassRooms list
[18:02] <ericb2> 3. A point for ongoing projects
[18:02] <ericb2> 4. misc
[18:02] <pierrep_> Kidd, Twarz hi
[18:03] <Kidd> pierrep, hi!
[18:03] <Twarz> Hi all
[18:03] <ericb2> evening good people :)
[18:03] <ericb2> 1. Welcome new students/ devs
[18:04] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, don't fake Fridrich: he's the only true one :)
[18:04] <ericb2> to the newcomers, it's time to present yourself, shortly, and explain us what you expect .. what you want to achieve (mostly projects I guess)
[18:04] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: ;-)
[18:05] <ericb2> Metrokid, alias Jonathan Winandy is not able to attend too, and I'll represent him for the point 3
[18:05] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I guess we can skip this today: everybody has been hanging here for a long time
[18:06] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: sure, let's start the point 2
[18:06] <ericb2> 2. ClassRooms list
[18:06] <ericb2> We progressed since last week
[18:06] <ericb2> looking at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Agenda
[18:07] <ericb2> Heiner Rechtien ( Sun Release Engineer) proposed a final date
[18:07] <ericb2> Title is : OpenOffice.org Mercurial migration
[18:07] <ericb2> In preparation, will be scheduled soon :
[18:07] <ericb2> 2) gdb (introduction, and use)
[18:07] <ericb2> Thomas Fontenay (alias Twarz) and me : introduction to gdb, and gdb use with OpenOffice.org
[18:07] <ericb2> Status: we started to prepare the event together (with Thomas), and we'll probably provide some code to do an online workout.
[18:08] <Twarz> We will make your build crash, don't worry about it. :)
[18:08] <ericb2> Kidd: if you want to participate too, you are welcome
[18:08] <Kidd> i'd be glad to help :)
[18:08] <cbosdonnat> Twarz, there is no need of gdb to make it crash :D
[18:09] <Twarz> cbosdonnat, what I mean is that we will probably provide some patches to make OOo crash even more... some kind of exercise ;)
[18:09] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I can provide some infos on my gdb config (useful for Writer debug)
[18:09] <cbosdonnat> Twarz, hehe :D
[18:09] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: thanks. I remember you proposed to help, and why not add you in the ClassRoom
[18:09] <ericb2> 3) Elipse
[18:09] <ericb2> Cedric Bosdonnat (scheduled) : something about Eclipse use and/or Eclipse plugin.
[18:09] <ericb2> Eclipse sorry :)
[18:10] <cbosdonnat> to all: what would interest you more? getting into OOEclipse internals? or using it?
[18:11] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: as newbie with this tool : discover Eclipse first ...
[18:11] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, ok
[18:11] <ericb2> but other should give their opinions too
[18:11] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, we'll have to find out how to prepare all those stuffs
[18:12] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, a first session on how to use it would be nice (along with a Java UNO extension talk)
[18:12] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, then we could go into the internals ;)
[18:13] <ericb2> @all : just a little remark : I strongly suggest to cut the ClassRooms in little parts. the reason is very simple : the people who discover the thing, need an adaptation time
[18:13] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, of course
[18:13] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: so, two or three ClassRooms is not a bad idea
[18:14] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: e.g. we could alternate with gdb or so ..
[18:14] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, nice idea
[18:15] <ericb2> Other suggestion :
[18:15] <ericb2> 4) Introduction to the build system ( Mac, Linux and Windows)
[18:15] <ericb2> Part 1: prepare a build, the tools and so on.
[18:15] <ericb2> Part2 : build other products : ooo-build and OOo4Kids
[18:16] <ericb2> .. all of this could constitute a beginning of -sort of- course
[18:16] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, yes
[18:16] <ericb2> and thorsten maybe could enlight us about something graphical related ? Will suggest him ...
[18:17] <cbosdonnat> wouldn't it be nice to have some well-established sessions to repeat for newcomers ?
[18:17] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: good idea !
[18:17] * thorsten thinks screencast, or webinar ;)
[18:17] <cbosdonnat> thorsten, good idea
[18:17] * thorsten sneaks in from a call ;)
[18:18] <cbosdonnat> thorsten, that would allow us to provide more than simple text ;)
[18:18] <cbosdonnat> thorsten, we could start with webinars and then start to record them
[18:20] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, this would be good for the Eclipse session as there are a lot of graphical interface handling
[18:20] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: I don't know well those tools, but yes, I fully agree: let's experiment
[18:20] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, thorsten the crucial point is to find a way to avoid paying tools
[18:21] <ericb2> jza: when you'll read me : what do you suggest ? I know you know this domain too
[18:22] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: can we add the point: present a plan for ClassRooms organization, say next week (or in two weeks if the delay is too short) ?
[18:22] <jza> ericb2: uuuh... sorry I need to follow the conversation.
[18:24] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, https://www.webhuddle.com/
[18:24] <cbosdonnat> http://www.dimdim.com
[18:24] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, they only are Webinar tools :)
[18:24] <jza> ericb2: there was a virtual congress online last week, with speakers from all over the world, they used ustream and a mibbits IRC channel. This avoid us a lot of monolitic infrastructure like dimdim.
[18:24] <jza> I have used WizIQ in the past with good results.
[18:25] * ericb2 noticed everything
[18:25] <ericb2> jza: thank you
[18:25] <ericb2> ok, so I'll ask Mathieu Paret to investigate (his job after all ;)
[18:26] <ericb2> timeline : not the next meeting but in two weeks, for the results
[18:26] <ericb2> (proposed timeline)
