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| − | [15:01] <ericb2> Let's start the meeting ?
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| − | [15:01] <vincentvikram> ok
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| − | [15:01] <ericb2> progeny: ok ?
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| − | [15:02] <progeny> ok
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| − | [15:02] <ericb2> Agenda for 8th of February 2008 meeting
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| − | [15:02] <ericb2> 1. Welcome people and devs joining Education project
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| − | [15:02] <ericb2> 2. Education Project Effort : proposed applications (work with Schools)
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| − | [15:02] <ericb2> 3. Events: FOSDEM 2008
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| − | [15:02] <ericb2> 4. Misc
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| − | [15:03] <ericb2> The first point is always a welcome for newcomer. Newcomers are invited to present themselves, and what the do
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| − | [15:03] * rggurley (n=rggurley@occhost243233.sunyocc.edu) has joined #education.openoffice.org
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| − | [15:03] <progeny> this goes to me? xD
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| − | [15:03] <ericb2> progeny: please :-)
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| − | [15:04] <ericb2> vincentvikram: you are invited too ;)
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> well not much to say
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> i'm currently in madrid doing a master course
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> on soft. eng.
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> but i'm from barcelona
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| − | [15:04] <ericb2> progeny: nice city 8-)
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> i landed to the educational foss group fromt the gsoc'07 students list
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> and from there to here :)
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| − | [15:04] <progeny> sure it is :)
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| − | [15:05] <progeny> i've not much time
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| − | [15:05] <progeny> with the master course and tring to setup my own busines
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| − | [15:05] <progeny> but i'm interested to see what you are cooking :)
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| − | [15:05] <vincentvikram> progeny: I followed the Olympics very closely when it was held at Barcelona.
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| − | [15:05] <progeny> :)
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| − | [15:06] <progeny> where are you from?
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| − | [15:06] <ericb2> progeny: thanks for your presentation, and be welcome in Education Project
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| − | [15:06] <vincentvikram> ericb2: shall I introduce myself?
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| − | [15:06] <ericb2> vincentvikram: please do !
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| − | [15:06] <vincentvikram> Ok
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| − | [15:07] <vincentvikram> I'm from Bangalore, India
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| − | [15:07] <vincentvikram> currently working with Christ college, Bangalore on various free s/w projects
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| − | [15:08] <vincentvikram> tinkering a bit on a task in GNU/Hurd.
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| − | [15:08] <vincentvikram> Coordinate Kannada(kn) localisation of Debian
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| − | [15:08] <vincentvikram> Passionate about free s/w
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| − | [15:09] <vincentvikram> well.. that would be it I suppose.
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| − | [15:09] <progeny> hurd!
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| − | [15:09] <ericb2> vincentvikram: if I'm not wrong you know sankarshan ?
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| − | [15:09] <progeny> a friend of mine started a hurd debian distro
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| − | [15:09] <vincentvikram> yes, I do.
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| − | [15:09] <vincentvikram> progeny: who?
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| − | [15:10] <progeny> pancake
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| − | [15:10] <progeny> let me pass you the link
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| − | [15:10] <ericb2> vincentvikram: well, I'm always glad to welcome newcomers, mainly when they come from all aournd the world. Be welcome in
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| − | [15:10] <progeny> he felt so lonely doing hurt
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| − | [15:10] <vincentvikram> ericb2: thanks.
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| − | [15:10] <progeny> so, point 2?
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| − | [15:10] <ericb2> 2. Education Project Effort : proposed applications (work with Schools)
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| − | [15:11] <ericb2> let's go
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| − | [15:11] <ericb2> The idea is to create a bridge between schools and OpenOffice.org Project
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| − | [15:11] <ericb2> the most interesting for students and teachers is the real thing: write code
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| − | [15:11] <ericb2> but the barreer is too high, generaly
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| − | [15:12] <progeny> huge code base i supose
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| − | [15:12] <ericb2> and what I propose is to solve simple ( not exactly ) issues, mentoring the peers students /teachers
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| − | [15:12] <ericb2> The starting point is there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort
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| − | [15:12] <vincentvikram> ericb2: yes
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| − | [15:12] <ericb2> progeny: yes, Ocean of code, and without a navigator, it is dangerous ;)
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| − | [15:13] * ericb2 proposed issues, e.g. implement a correct baseline in Math ( formulas )
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| − | [15:14] <progeny> for doing that
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| − | [15:14] <ericb2> the idea is student / teachers have me ( or any other volunteer ) as contact, and I am here to explain all the basics
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| − | [15:14] <progeny> you need some veteran OO code contributors to act as mentors, right?
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| − | [15:14] <ericb2> when we need a specialist, I can organize rendez-vous and so on, with high level devs
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| − | [15:14] <ericb2> progeny: I'm developer myself, but I know personaly most of the devs in the project
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| − | [15:15] <progeny> sure
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: this make the life easier ;)
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| − | [15:15] <progeny> but how many students can you handle at once?
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: I think two or three, max, but not more
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| − | [15:15] <progeny> thats the point
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: the first one intrested will be served
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: let's start with a proof of concept
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| − | [15:15] <progeny> but
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| − | [15:16] <progeny> what i see, is that some (french) schools have been contacted
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| − | [15:16] <progeny> i dont know the relation of that contact
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| − | [15:16] <ericb2> progeny: I'll put all the information once confirmed
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| − | [15:16] <progeny> but i'm ver wrong if the idea is that they offer FOSS contribution to his students?
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| − | [15:16] <progeny> right?
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| − | [15:17] <ericb2> progeny: I'm not sure to get what yo mean. Sorry, my bad english probably. Can you explain more ?
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| − | [15:17] <vincentvikram> ericb2: The issue with development in India is that we are still dependent on face-to-face interaction, if at least in the
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| − | [15:18] <progeny> something like teachers saying to students: "hey, some OO guys have come to tell us that if you want to contribute they offer
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| − | [15:18] <vincentvikram> progeny: not exactly
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| − | [15:18] <progeny> oh
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| − | [15:18] <progeny> ok
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| − | [15:19] <vincentvikram> The students have an idea and some tangible interaction with experienced developers would make a good impact.
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| − | [15:19] <ericb2> as I said, I proposed to mentor students. The students must have a teacher, for "administrative" reason. The fact is, no newcomer ,
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| − | [15:20] <vincentvikram> We have worked out such experiments in quite a few engg. colleges here and with reasonably good results too.
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| − | [15:20] <ericb2> here is my role: help to discover everything ( I'm working in the code since 4 years )
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| − | [15:20] <progeny> ok
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| − | [15:20] <progeny> for me to understand it
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| − | [15:20] <ericb2> *but* when we need expertise , high level devs are ok to help
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| − | [15:21] <progeny> which is the starting point: student goes to OO triing the contribute
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| − | [15:21] <ericb2> they just ask to schedule everything, because they have limited time for us
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| − | [15:21] <progeny> or OO goes to schools tring to get some students involved?
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| − | [15:21] <ericb2> progeny: the last proposal is more accurate: we are searching contributors
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| − | [15:22] <progeny> ok
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| − | [15:22] <ericb2> progeny: in return, we'll teach them what we do
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| − | [15:22] <progeny> so i dont see the diferent with what i was saying? :)
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| − | [15:22] <progeny> s/?//
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| − | [15:22] <ericb2> progeny: all ar winner: the school the students, the teachers for visibility. and the project, for the code
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| − | [15:23] <progeny> sure!
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| − | [15:23] <progeny> i agree on that
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| − | [15:23] <ericb2> progeny: some times, we say the same thing, but because of the language barreer, better repeat ;)
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| − | [15:23] <vincentvikram> ericb2: Is there a possibility that successful students may be absorbed by the project?
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| − | [15:23] <progeny> ok xD my english is not very good
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| − | [15:24] <progeny> vincentvikram: i think this is a secondary goal.
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| − | [15:24] <progeny> permanent involment
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| − | [15:24] <ericb2> vincentvikram: this is possible, but the project does not provide money. Only companies working on the porject ( Sun, Novell, IBM,
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| − | [15:24] <progeny> huh paid job
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| − | [15:24] <ericb2> vincentvikram: I myself have no power for that
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| − | [15:24] <vincentvikram> ok
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| − | [15:25] <ericb2> vincentvikram: nevertheless, good work for OpenOffice.org is an extremely good business card for a job ;-)
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| − | [15:25] <vincentvikram> ericb2: yes, I agree.
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| − | [15:25] <progeny> i think this is one of the more stronger driver to opensource
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| − | [15:26] <ericb2> progeny: then, feel free to propagate the idea ;-)
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| − | [15:26] <progeny> yeah
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| − | [15:26] <progeny> i dont know if i'm moving out of schedule here
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| − | [15:26] <progeny> but the foss google group has de same target
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| − | [15:26] <progeny> but without focusing in openoffce
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| − | [15:27] <progeny> more like "peak your project and we'll get a mentor"
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| − | [15:27] <ericb2> progeny: exactly. But from my side, I can't explain another software ;)
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