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+ | [15:06] <rbircher> Thanks ericb2 | ||
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+ | [15:07] <ericb2> PhilippL: some news ? | ||
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+ | [15:07] <rbircher> and hi at all | ||
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+ | [15:07] <PhilippL> no, sorry. | ||
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+ | [15:07] <ericb2> ssa: Hi Stephan ! | ||
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+ | [15:07] * hdu_hh gives channel operator status to ssa | ||
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+ | [15:07] <ssa> hi everybody! | ||
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+ | [15:07] <ericb2> PhilippL: I hope your holidays were good :) | ||
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+ | [15:08] <PhilippL> ericb2: thanks. the only contact i had with cocoa was of the brown, sugary variant. | ||
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+ | [15:08] <ssa> ericb2: you already started with the agenda ? | ||
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+ | [15:08] paveljanik PhilippL | ||
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+ | [15:08] <ericb2> PhilippL: :) | ||
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+ | [15:08] <ericb2> ssa: no | ||
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+ | [15:08] <PhilippL> ssa: currently it's 2. cocoa news -> no news | ||
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+ | [15:08] <ericb2> ssa: this is just the begining | ||
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+ | [15:09] <ericb2> well, I have some news from my side | ||
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+ | [15:09] <ericb2> not sure it will work, though | ||
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+ | [15:09] <ericb2> a big problem we will have with Cocoa version is the .nib creation | ||
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+ | [15:10] <ericb2> and I have found a way, I'll demonstrate during OOoCon2007 | ||
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+ | [15:10] <ericb2> the main work has been done by Rbert Dargaud, alias Bob ( some already know him ) | ||
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+ | [15:10] <ericb2> the idea is : | ||
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+ | [15:10] <ericb2> use .src files | ||
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+ | [15:10] <ericb2> turn them into .xml | ||
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+ | [15:11] <ericb2> use the .xml to create .nibs | ||
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+ | [15:11] <ericb2> the missing part is the controler part | ||
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+ | [15:11] <ericb2> and a lot of work has to be done | ||
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+ | [15:11] <PhilippL> sounds good :-) | ||
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+ | [15:12] <ericb2> some infos are missing, like how connect everything, but I guess we have the ressources | ||
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+ | [15:12] <ericb2> To be continued :) | ||
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+ | [15:14] <ericb2> mikesic: maybe you can talk about the Mac OS X spellcheker ? | ||
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+ | [15:14] <ericb2> PhilippL: I have a question about .src | ||
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+ | [15:15] <ericb2> PhilippL: are all windows, dialog boxes ..etc defined by .src, or do we have some exceptions ? | ||
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+ | [15:15] <PhilippL> there are exceptions. | ||
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+ | [15:16] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok | ||
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+ | [15:16] <PhilippL> why ? | ||
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+ | [15:17] <ericb2> PhilippL: just for my information | ||
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+ | [15:17] <PhilippL> some dialogs are created "by hand" in code, some use xml files (especially component services) | ||
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+ | [15:19] <PhilippL> next point ? | ||
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+ | [15:19] <rbircher> Sorry, I have not experience in C++ or Cacoa | ||
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+ | [15:19] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok. I asked because I'm discovering this face of OpenOffice.org, and this is extremely interesting | ||
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+ | [15:19] <ericb2> rbircher: no problem, you help us, and everything counts ;) | ||
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+ | [15:19] <ericb2> Next point is: | ||
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+ | [15:19] <ericb2> 3. Objective-C++: .mm vs. .cxx | ||
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+ | [15:19] <rbircher> But why a part of the dialog ar createt bei hand | ||
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+ | [15:20] <PhilippL> rbircher: Some code is written in java and therefore cannot use the c++ resource system. | ||
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+ | [15:21] <PhilippL> rbircher: then there are some dialogs that are resizeable, which vcl has no support for and these need to position their | ||
+ | controls themselves anyway (e.g. the file picker) | ||
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+ | [15:21] <PhilippL> .mm vc. .cxx: what point is in the move ? we'll lose the cvs history this way. | ||
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+ | [15:22] <rbircher> ok, its only for interesting | ||
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+ | [15:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: is the history of Aqua part so long ? | ||
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+ | [15:22] <PhilippL> aside from that I don't really care, "a rose by any other name ..." and such. | ||
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+ | [15:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: just asking myself | ||
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+ | [15:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: yes, the point is: if this is better, we have to use it | ||
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+ | [15:23] <ericb2> PhilippL: historically, it was the first approach | ||
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+ | [15:23] <PhilippL> ericb2: so what is "better" ? | ||
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+ | [15:23] <ericb2> PhilippL: good question :) | ||
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+ | [15:23] <mikesic> I have tried to change to .mm, and I found its not simply a matter of changing the extension. The compiler seems to treat | ||
+ | the files differently, and I get a whole new set of errors. (Which I haven't had time to fix for .mm) | ||
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+ | [15:23] <ericb2> PhilippL: and Florian, who asked to debate, is not there. | ||
+ | [15:24] <PhilippL> Then we should postpone this decision and continue discussion on the mailing list. | ||
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+ | [15:24] <mikesic> +1 | ||
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+ | [15:24] <ericb2> PhilippL: agreed | ||
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+ | [15:24] <PhilippL> next point ? | ||
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+ | [15:25] <ericb2> 4. a point on Top 5 of issues before Alpha ( to be shipped during OOoCon 2007 ) | ||
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+ | [15:25] <ericb2> hdu_hh: ? | ||
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+ | [15:25] <rbircher> Yes next point | ||
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+ | [15:25] <hdu_hh> ericb2> hi |
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[15:00] <ericb2> Let's start the meeting ?
[15:00] * rbircher_ is now known as rbircher
[15:01] <ericb2> Agenda is : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Port_Meetings
[15:01] <ericb2> 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port
[15:02] <ericb2> \O/ new devs arounds ? \O /
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[15:03] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to mikesic
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[15:03] <PhilippL> next point ?
[15:04] <ericb2> Hi PhilippL :)
[15:04] <ericb2> 2. Latest Cocoa news ( aquavcl03 news )
[15:04] <PhilippL> ericb2: hi :-)
[15:05] <rbircher> Ah, its meeting
[15:05] <ericb2> rbircher: you're welcome
[15:06] <rbircher> Thanks ericb2
[15:06] * _nesshof_ (n=chatzill@p5B05C33F.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #ooo_macport
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[15:07] <ericb2> PhilippL: some news ?
[15:07] <rbircher> and hi at all
[15:07] <PhilippL> no, sorry.
[15:07] <ericb2> ssa: Hi Stephan !
[15:07] * hdu_hh gives channel operator status to ssa
[15:07] <ssa> hi everybody!
[15:07] <ericb2> PhilippL: I hope your holidays were good :)
[15:08] <PhilippL> ericb2: thanks. the only contact i had with cocoa was of the brown, sugary variant.
[15:08] <ssa> ericb2: you already started with the agenda ?
[15:08] paveljanik PhilippL
[15:08] <ericb2> PhilippL: :)
[15:08] <ericb2> ssa: no
[15:08] <PhilippL> ssa: currently it's 2. cocoa news -> no news
[15:08] <ericb2> ssa: this is just the begining
[15:09] <ericb2> well, I have some news from my side
[15:09] <ericb2> not sure it will work, though
[15:09] <ericb2> a big problem we will have with Cocoa version is the .nib creation
[15:10] <ericb2> and I have found a way, I'll demonstrate during OOoCon2007
[15:10] <ericb2> the main work has been done by Rbert Dargaud, alias Bob ( some already know him )
[15:10] <ericb2> the idea is :
[15:10] <ericb2> use .src files
[15:10] <ericb2> turn them into .xml
[15:11] <ericb2> use the .xml to create .nibs
[15:11] <ericb2> the missing part is the controler part
[15:11] <ericb2> and a lot of work has to be done
[15:11] <PhilippL> sounds good :-)
[15:12] <ericb2> some infos are missing, like how connect everything, but I guess we have the ressources
[15:12] <ericb2> To be continued :)
[15:14] <ericb2> mikesic: maybe you can talk about the Mac OS X spellcheker ?
[15:14] <ericb2> PhilippL: I have a question about .src
[15:15] <ericb2> PhilippL: are all windows, dialog boxes ..etc defined by .src, or do we have some exceptions ?
[15:15] <PhilippL> there are exceptions.
[15:16] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok
[15:16] <PhilippL> why ?
[15:17] <ericb2> PhilippL: just for my information
[15:17] <PhilippL> some dialogs are created "by hand" in code, some use xml files (especially component services)
[15:19] <PhilippL> next point ?
[15:19] <rbircher> Sorry, I have not experience in C++ or Cacoa
[15:19] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok. I asked because I'm discovering this face of OpenOffice.org, and this is extremely interesting
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[15:19] <ericb2> rbircher: no problem, you help us, and everything counts ;)
[15:19] <ericb2> Next point is:
[15:19] <ericb2> 3. Objective-C++: .mm vs. .cxx
[15:19] <rbircher> But why a part of the dialog ar createt bei hand
[15:20] <PhilippL> rbircher: Some code is written in java and therefore cannot use the c++ resource system.
[15:21] <PhilippL> rbircher: then there are some dialogs that are resizeable, which vcl has no support for and these need to position their controls themselves anyway (e.g. the file picker)
[15:21] <PhilippL> .mm vc. .cxx: what point is in the move ? we'll lose the cvs history this way.
[15:22] <rbircher> ok, its only for interesting
[15:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: is the history of Aqua part so long ?
[15:22] <PhilippL> aside from that I don't really care, "a rose by any other name ..." and such.
[15:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: just asking myself
[15:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: yes, the point is: if this is better, we have to use it
[15:23] <ericb2> PhilippL: historically, it was the first approach
[15:23] <PhilippL> ericb2: so what is "better" ?
[15:23] <ericb2> PhilippL: good question :)
[15:23] <mikesic> I have tried to change to .mm, and I found its not simply a matter of changing the extension. The compiler seems to treat the files differently, and I get a whole new set of errors. (Which I haven't had time to fix for .mm)
[15:23] <ericb2> PhilippL: and Florian, who asked to debate, is not there.
[15:24] <PhilippL> Then we should postpone this decision and continue discussion on the mailing list.
[15:24] <mikesic> +1
[15:24] <ericb2> PhilippL: agreed
[15:24] <PhilippL> next point ?
[15:25] <ericb2> 4. a point on Top 5 of issues before Alpha ( to be shipped during OOoCon 2007 )
[15:25] <ericb2> hdu_hh: ?
[15:25] <rbircher> Yes next point
[15:25] <hdu_hh> ericb2> hi