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| − | [15:01] <shaunmcdonald> Meeting time?
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| − | [15:03] <hdu_hh> shaunmcdonald: ok with me
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| − | [15:03] <ericb2> ok
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| − | [15:04] <ericb2> befre to start, I think the Agenda is outdated
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| − | [15:04] <ericb2> -befre +before
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| − | [15:06] <shaunmcdonald> probably
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| − | [15:06] <ericb2> nobody maintained ?
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| − | [15:06] * shaunmcdonald would like to add the usage of the mac@porting list to the agenda
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| − | [15:07] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: we didn't know what was coming up
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| − | [15:07] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: I think a simple post, will be sufficient
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| − | [15:07] <ericb2> Agenda for 15th August 2007 meeting
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| − | [15:07] <ericb2> 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port
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| − | [15:08] <ericb2> New devs around ?
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| − | [15:08] <ericb2> wolfe: want to join the port ?
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| − | [15:09] * ericb2 modified the agenda : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Port_Meetings#Next_Meeting
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| − | [15:09] <hdu_hh> ericb2> thank you
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| − | [15:12] * hdu_hh doesn't think new devs are here today
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> Next point ?
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| − | [15:15] <shaunmcdonald> 2. Latest Aqua news (aquavcl02 status, ...) / Work in progress
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> Great news : aquavcl02 has been integrated
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| − | [15:15] <ericb2> now, build m225 using the correct flags is enough to have an aqua build
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| − | [15:16] * ericb2 modified the AquaBuild page in this purpose: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaBuild
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| − | [15:16] <ericb2> any help is welcome
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| − | [15:18] <ericb2> was the Cocoa migration discussed in the previous meeting ?
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| − | [15:19] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: there was a short quick overview of the cocoa migration by someone from sun
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| − | [15:20] <shaunmcdonald> Is the X11SDK still needed for the aqua build?
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| − | [15:20] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: I have documented everything here : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaPortCocoa/Changelog
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| − | [15:20] <hdu_hh> this must have been PL, he's on vacation now
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| − | [15:20] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: but the wiki page is outdated : I need help for the comments
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| − | [15:20] <shaunmcdonald> hdu_hh: he mentioned that
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| − | [15:21] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: unfortunately when I done the clean install I included X11 in the install
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| − | [15:21] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: sadly, yes. There is a madness in configure and that's not yet possible to pass the X11SDK from Xcode path yet :-/
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| − | [15:21] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: just install the SDK
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| − | [15:21] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: btw, I think we can try to enable Mozilla build for aqua, then macros will start to work
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| − | [15:22] <shaunmcdonald> I still use X11 for the GIMP sometimes
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| − | [15:22] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: http://ftp.cusoo.org/MacOSX/Utilities/Intel/
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| − | [15:22] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: not the last version -> works fine
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| − | [15:23] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: mozilla is a pain to build on the mac since it is so old an version that is required for ooo
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| − | [15:23] * shaunmcdonald thinks it's time to move to a newer version of moz to make our life easier
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| − | [15:23] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: we can use prebuild archives ?
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| − | [15:24] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: then Mozilla is enabled, and xmlsec too `
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| − | [15:24] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: that is an option
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| − | [15:24] <shaunmcdonald> but I've never managed to build them
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| − | [15:24] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: I did since the begining of Intel
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| − | [15:24] <ericb2> hdu_hh: last aqua news ?
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| − | [15:25] <shaunmcdonald> I have built firefox a year or so back, but that was a newer version
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| − | [15:25] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: do your mozilla archive not work on both X11 and aqua builds of ooo?
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| − | [15:25] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: never tested, but IMHO, if the Xlib is only needed at buildtime, we can try
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| − | [15:26] <hdu_hh> debugging crashes, starting OTF support for all platforms, working on drawing layer primitive support, internationalization,
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| − | [15:26] <ericb2> hdu_hh: uff. :)
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| − | [15:27] <hdu_hh> mostly crossplattform stuff, except the crashes
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| − | [15:28] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: I'm sure that when I done aqua builds the only change I done compared to X11 builds was to remove the --with-x
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| − | [15:28] <shaunmcdonald> hdu_hh: what is OTF support?
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| − | [15:28] <hdu_hh> shaunmcdonald ps opentype embedding into pdf and for printing
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| − | [15:29] <ericb2> hdu_hh: wow great :)
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| − | [15:29] <shaunmcdonald> hdu_hh: 8)
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| − | [15:29] <ericb2> I'll try to add the infos I have about aquavcl03
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| − | [15:29] <hdu_hh> we'll also have to change Writer etc for other Latin CTL e.g. Zapfino
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| − | [15:30] <ericb2> since aquavcl02 is integrated, aquavcl03 is started. The objective is Cocoa migration
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| − | [15:30] <ericb2> for event loop, frames, event windowing, strings , menus and more I forgot
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| − | [15:31] <ericb2> the concerned modules are ( at this time) : vcl, solenv, and instsetoo_native
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| − | [15:31] <ericb2> mainly vcl uses Objective C++ flags
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| − | [15:32] <ericb2> and if you want to add a module ( e.g. lingucomponent for native spellchecker), this is described on the wiki page I gave the link above
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| − | [15:33] <ericb2> work in progress are: drag and drop ( tino), native spellchecker (michael), macaddress book integration (florian), Aqua controls
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| − | [15:34] <ericb2> s/work in progress/other work in progress/
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| − | [15:34] <ericb2> hdu_hh: pl and you are doing most of the work
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| − | [15:34] <hdu_hh> everything counts
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| − | [15:35] <ericb2> that's all what I have for today
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| − | [15:35] <ericb2> hdu_hh: Sure. Missing; I'll learn -seriously- english and german starting end september ;)
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| − | [15:36] <ericb2> Next point ?
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| − | [15:36] <hdu_hh> ericb2> really? do you want to understand the comments in the old code? :-)
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| − | [15:37] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I have lost a very good german since I don't speak often, and my english is too bad: I want to progress :)
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| − | [15:37] <ericb2> hdu_hh: sice the time I scheduled, I'll do this year
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| − | [15:38] <ericb2> Next point is 3. Top 5 of issues before Alpha ( OOoCon 2007 )
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| − | [15:38] <hdu_hh> I see. Regarding reading old german comments: even we native speakers understand many of them unless we reverse engineer the
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| − | [15:39] <hdu_hh> understand -> don"t understand
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| − | [15:40] <ericb2> hdu_hh: document, document document ... ( Steve Ballmer like ) ;)
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| − | [15:41] <hdu_hh> ericb2: do you already have a top-x issue list?
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| − | [15:41] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I have
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| − | [15:41] <ericb2> Like for first development snapshot, I propose a Top 5 of issues ( or Top 10 if needed ) before alpha
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| − | [15:42] <hdu_hh> and continue with aquavcl04?
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| − | [15:42] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I'd prefer see a new cws
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| − | [15:42] <ericb2> hdu_hh: and provide Carbon version
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| − | [15:44] <ericb2> hdu_hh: no matter if the alpha version is not an exact release, but just an exact milestone
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| − | [15:44] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: aquavcl03 is for cocoa migration
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| − | [15:44] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: indeed
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| − | [15:45] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: so the m225 + fixes would be aquavcl04?
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| − | [15:45] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: yes, or macalpha or whatever :)
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| − | [15:45] <hdu_hh> or carbonfixes...
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| − | [15:47] <ericb2> first issue is black frame: fixed in aquavcl03 -> just a backport imho
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| − | [15:47] <ericb2> second issue to be fixed: bad scrollbar behaviour ( issue 77549 )
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