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= 2008/09/19 = {| class="prettytable" | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | AGENDA: |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1 Status of the Teams |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.1 UNO based Toolkit: Juergen (jsc), Jirong |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.2 Modularization, SW: Andreas (amaOOo), LiuTao, lijian |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.3 AODL: Lars (lb),liuyuhua |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.4 ODFDOM/ODF4J: Svante, Christank (cl), Klemens, duyunfen, Amit (amitksaha) |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 2 Open discussions |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.1 UNO based Toolkit: Juergen (jsc), Jirong |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.2 Modularization, SW: Andreas (amaOOo), LiuTao, lijian |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]> | No news |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.3 AODL: Lars (lb),liuyuhua |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | no news .... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.4 ODFDOM/ODF4J: Svante, Christank (cl), Klemens, duyunfen, Amit (amitksaha) |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | I'm using odfdom to implement some application.and I had spent time to learn XSLT |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | and Relaxing. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/cl,isnick cl]> | Klemens: did svante do the release yesterday? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | yes ... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Klemens,isnick Klemens]> | yes, and he posted quite a long change log on the mailing list |- | | -->| | Svante (n=Svante@p4FDDEF4A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined [irc://freenode/%23odftoolkit #odftoolkit] |- | | -->| | DL (n=chatzill@nat/sun/x-fccb481b238c8f71) has joined [irc://freenode/%23odftoolkit #odftoolkit] |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Klemens,isnick Klemens]> | mostly changes of cl |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | So now Svante can speak for himself ;) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Good morning |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/cl,isnick cl]> | I just wondered but I also see the mail now |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Did the mail not appeared? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Klemens,isnick Klemens]> | i see it |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | I uploaded a new ODFDOM version yesterday |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Christian was so kind to summarize our progress, which I copied into that mail |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | Open discussions now, if really needed... |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | For the next week, Klemens and I will add templates and all ODF 1.1 mimetypes |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | ok. |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | Seems we are done... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | I think codegen was very succinct and lucid. Why xslt was no longer used, is there any other reason? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | It was nice to have HashMaps in Java |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | XSLT is completly recursive and hard to debug |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | yes |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Another reason is that ODFDOM is a Java project |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | And bringing in XSLT just added a new complexity for the developer |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | I see |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Finally, it turned out, that it was easier for us to continue with Java |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | we also think it would be too complicated to understand and to support if the project is growing |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | I have the feeling that in some final tweaking (complex handling) XSLT becomes very naughty.. ;-) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | +1 |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | But I still like XSLT, it was just harder to read for Java developers. Java code is easier to understand, more verbose, than those recursive structures |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | I think this should answer your question, Duyunfen.. :-) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | :)yes,Thanks. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | Svante:I have another question. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | I'd like some information about how is the process of odfdom. Is the ongoing work |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | optimization? Is there any progress on the convinient layer? Did the code I submitted |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | before about form transplant from odf4j have some value in practical work? Is there |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | anything I can do during this period? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | I'm at a loss. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Sure.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | First towards the process... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | We will focus on the base layers first, the various DOMs of the ODF files as CL has explained |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | The package layer optimization, that the MIME type is correctly written in the package and that all the document types of ODF can be used. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | To summarize we have to bring in the basics, were other can build on. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | The next step (0.8 ODFDOM) is for us to get ODF 1.2 supported |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | OpenOffice.org 3.0 is about to be published and it's default format is ODF 1.2, so we have to hurry with that |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | yeath, I understand. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | If there is progress on the convenient layer it has not that priority to us.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Due to the problems mentioned above, nevertheless... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/cl,isnick cl]> | Actually there is also progress in the convinient layer, just check the release mail from svante |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | ok, I have seen it. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Duyunfen, as soon form elements are avaible (they are now) your code can be based upon the XML DOM layer.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Do you work with netbeans and mercurial as versioning system, Duyunfen? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | yes |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Second.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | You might migrate your changes from ODF4J to ODFDOM and sent a patch to the list.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | Should i modified the finished form code mentioned above upon the new version? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Yes that would be my suggestion... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | ok |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | But we will upload a new version before next Friday, were you can base your patch on.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | There is a little problem with this version, it does not have a /.hg directory. ;-) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | 0_6_13 version? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | yep |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | But nevermind, you might already start working |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | Yeah |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | When I finished |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | And later copy your files into the new version or the new /.hg directory into the old. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | Should I submitted to the mailing list? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | This or you might use and issuezilla tracker bug and sent that link |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | This or you might use an issuezilla tracker bug and sent that link |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | to the list |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | ok |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | There should be already bug component for odftoolkit with subcomponent odfdom |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | If not protest on the list ;-) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | :)sure |} = 2008/09/26 = {| class="prettytable" |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | AGENDA: |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1 Status of the Teams |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.1 UNO based Toolkit: Juergen (jsc), Jirong |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.2 Modularization, SW: Andreas (amaOOo), LiuTao, lijian |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.3 AODL: Lars (lb),liuyuhua |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.4 ODFDOM/ODF4J: Svante, Christank (cl), Klemens, duyunfen, Amit (amitksaha) |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 2 Open discussions |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.1 UNO based Toolkit: Juergen (jsc), Jirong |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.2 Modularization, SW: Andreas (amaOOo), LiuTao, lijian |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]> | No news |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.3 AODL: Lars (lb),liuyuhua |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | no news |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/larsb_,isnick larsb_]> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | 1.4 ODFDOM/ODF4J: Svante, Christank (cl), Klemens, duyunfen, Amit (amitksaha) |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Progress on ODFDOM: |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | There has been tremendous progress in ODFDOM, unfortunately for you it has not passed our review phase. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | I guess it is my fault, as I am currently a little picky during review, the sources require JavaDoc, tests, etc.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | - We have embedded ODF objects, allowing an OdfDocument to contain multiple other ODF documents |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | - Styles being edited in ODFDOM |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | - All ODF xml files (content.xml, styles.xml, settings.xml, meta.xml) available as DOM |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Next steps with large benefit: |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | - Templates will be enabled and all documents aside of Formula, as a MathML 2 DOM support is not given yet. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | - Refactoring ODFDOMCodeGenerator, separate common used parts for other languages into own projects |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | - Testing ODFDOMCodeGenerator with a different language than Java (to proof usability) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | <nowiki>*hmm* Does not look as good as in my editor..</nowiki> |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | duyunfen: Anything from your side? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | I assume not, he did not responded earlier.. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | no news |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | ups! |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | :-) |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | . |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | OK, open discussion then, if needed... |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Duyunfen: Do you got any questions, suggestions, anything you like to discuss? |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]> | sorry . |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | No problem |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | So there is nothing to discuss for today, Malte. |- | | <nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Svante,isnick Svante]> | Till next week, guys! |- | | <nowiki><Malte></nowiki> | Ok, good bye then.... :) |} = 2008/09/05 = <center>'''<nowiki>#odftoolkit</nowiki>'''</center> {| class="prettytable" | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''Hi all!''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/fme,isnick fme]>'''''</div> | '''''Hi all.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''I guess we can start..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''AGENDA:''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1 Status of the Teams''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.1 UNO based Toolkit: Juergen (jsc), Jirong''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.2 Modularization, SW: Andreas (amaOOo), LiuTao, lijian''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.3 AODL: Lars (lb),liuyuhua''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.4 ODFDOM/ODF4J: Svante, Christank (cl), Klemens, duyunfen, Amit (amitksaha)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''2 Open discussions ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''-->|'''</div> | '''''xiuzhi (n=Administ@218.249.75.106) has joined [irc://freenode/%23odftoolkit #odftoolkit] |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.1 UNO based Toolkit: Juergen (jsc), Jirong ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''I guess we can skip this as they are not present..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.2 Modularization, SW: Andreas (amaOOo), LiuTao, lijian ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]>'''''</div> | '''''CWS swrefactor071015 has been resynced to DEV300m30.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]>'''''</div> | '''''Linux and Solaris builds are ready, smoketest ran successfully.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]>'''''</div> | '''''Windows non-pro build is done, pro build is still ongoing.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]>'''''</div> | '''''I will ask our QA to have a look at the CWS when all installation sets are ready.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]>'''''</div> | '''''.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.3 AODL: Lars (lb),liuyuhua ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Lars is still on his vacation. We will skip this as well.. :-)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''1.4 ODFDOM/ODF4J: Svante, Christank (cl), Klemens, duyunfen, Amit (amitksaha) ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''We uploaded a version yesterday. ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''And we can explain later in discussions..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Regarding ODFDOM. Duyunfen, anything for ODF4J?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]>'''''</div> | '''''no news from me.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''okay''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''2 Open discussions ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]>'''''</div> | '''''I had downloaded the new version and had a look.Although it is just a interim''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]>'''''</div> | '''''version, I had got an idea of the improvements of new mechanism. I think it was very cool and exciting. I hadn't fathom it but I will.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''ups.. okay!''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Let's start discussions! Any further questions?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]>'''''</div> | '''''I have not been very familiar with XSLT and RELAX_NG.but It aroused my great interest.I want to In-depth study on them.:)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Well, now it is even easier, it is written in Java..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Able to be debug with your JavaIDE used for ODFDOM.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Regarding the API changes of ODFDOM..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''One mayor API change in ODFDOM was the separation of Package and DOM Layer..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''The Package Layer does not know anything about ODF elements nor the ODF files..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''In ODF 1.2 the package will be a splitted specification of its own..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Therefore convenient content.xml access has been moved from OdfPackage to OdfDocument..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''I forgot to write this yesterday.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Nothing more from my side. Any further comments, yet? ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''There they were.. our productive 5 minutes ;-)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Klemens,isnick Klemens]>'''''</div> | '''''Not from me only that I started with the insertion/access of embedded objects (e.g. charts)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Klemens,isnick Klemens]>'''''</div> | '''''.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''If there is nothing else, I will see you all next week!''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Have a nice week-end! ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''byebye''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/amaOOo,isnick amaOOo]>'''''</div> | '''''Goodbye''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/duyunfen,isnick duyunfen]>'''''</div> | '''''byebye''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''<nowiki><--|</nowiki>'''</div> | '''''amaOOo has left [irc://freenode/%23odftoolkit #odftoolkit] |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Klemens,isnick Klemens]>'''''</div> | '''''byebye''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''Anybody interested in a non-ODFDOM related question?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Go ahead..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''BTW I will upload the IRC protocol at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODF_Toolkit/Minutes/2008_09 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODF_Toolkit/Minutes/2008_09] ''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''What's Sun's deal with the ODF plugin for MS Office, I have no experience with it at all but I was in a meeting at some organization and they were quite dissatisfied with Sun's tactics (e.g. support contracts). Any inside knowledge?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''Dieter, this might be a question for you?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''Geographic location here is The Netherlands if that matters anything.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''He does not seem to have highlight enabled, give me a second..''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''Brucevdk: just to make sure, they were disatisfied with the tactics or with the quality of the ODF plugin?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''Brucevdk: I have been asking around any QA testing on the ODF plugin but most people dont even use MSO anymore :-)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''We're running some project in the Netherlands but never heard that there are some issues around the support model''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''JZA: in this case the problem they indicated was mostly with Sun's pricing and the inflexibility of the contract.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''Brucevdk: I see''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''The Sun ODF Plugin for MS Office is for free but if you need support, you have to have a support contract with Sun''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''thanks guys, very informative gotta get some sleep now.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''DieterLoeschky: is ODF Plugin open source?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''is it based at any point with ODFDOM?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''or ODF4J source''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''It's based on OOo but it's not open sourced yet''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''DieterLoeschky: ok thanks. Also from opendocument fellowship there has been a lot of discussion on support for ODF 2.0 and 1.1. How compliant is ODFDOM with these versions?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''That's for me''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''take care Svante''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''ODFDOM is ODF 1.1 compliant''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''ok thanks''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''But we plan to become ODF 1.2 compliant''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/JZA,isnick JZA]>'''''</div> | '''''c ya guys''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><Svante></nowiki>'''''</div> | '''''cya''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''<nowiki>|<--</nowiki>'''</div> | '''''JZA has left freenode ("Ex-Chat")''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''Brucevdk: could you give us more details on why the support model is not flexible enough?''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''DieterLoeschky: it was a side track to the meeting and I was only there as an observer so I didn't ask any questions to clarify. Sorry.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''Ok, thanks.''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''DieterLoeschky: the fact that the plugin is still proprietary, coupled with some of the and then this discussion about inflexibility and pricing (it was basically that this support contract would lock them into Sun as much as they were alreayd locked into MS)''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/Brucevdk,isnick Brucevdk]>'''''</div> | '''''just made me feel icky''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''Brucevdk: Ok, I see!''''' |- | | <div align="right">'''''<nowiki><</nowiki>[irc://freenode/DieterLoeschky,isnick DieterLoeschky]>'''''</div> | '''''bye!''''' |} [[Category:ODFToolkit]] [[Category:Minutes]]

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