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==Role of Ombudsman==
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I have a question about this "Overseer" role. Where do they come from and how are they selected?
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:They are elected by the members of the management group from among their own number.  DJ makes the point that the members of the group can act as overseers.  As long as they have access to records and their availability for that task is made known, I agree.
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:I agree with Drew that we don't need an overseer / Ombudsman.  The latter term is overblown for a website management situation.
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:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 09:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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== Establishing the charter and group ==
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Regarding the section 'Date' and the question who will vote this in.
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IMO, it is the same group of people as those currently registered at the private forum. Regarding that, the PM I sent out the other day garnered a number of PM and direct emails to me. Counting the folks that are actively discussing the issues on the forum and the PM / emails we now have 13 of the 19 individuals ( names suppled to me from James ) as voicing an agreement that we move forward with this.
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I would perhaps include in the charter, as an amendment perhaps the names of the first board, and admins. Then send another PM to the group ( perhaps grown now, so need new list from James ) for approval. Perhaps call this the interim board, and setup a full vote by the members say 3 or 6 months hence to ratify this initial vote?
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:admins and moderators will be known by their forum names.  Those are not names you'd normally use in a charter.  If the board or one of its executives / directors has responsibility for appointing forum officers, it's a simple matter of adding them to the appropriate groups and making sure they have the benefit of the permissions they need.
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:Preferably, there should be formal records of appointments.
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:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 06:56, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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== Merging the streams ==
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I have merged the streams, but have not addressed Drew's question about Admins and Mods
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I think these folks will answer to the Dir of IT and the Dir of Content respectively.
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Security hackers or checkers, such as me would answer to the President or Chair. 
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Best practice of not putting the CSO under the CIO.
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Yes, of course, everybody can talk to anybody about anything, because we are really all friends here. This must be maintained or much of the fun will drain out.
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-Wolf
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[[User:Saphil|Saphil]] 16:48, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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:Wolf, if you add <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to your post you will see that this resolves to a signature &mdash; [[User:TerryE|TerryE]] 03:58, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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::A fresh look is required, I think.  Perhaps Drew could ask his friend Alex to make the final decision.  After all, Sun wants this signed and sealed in time for the Conference.  Odd that Sun should be the one doing the hurrying.
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::The site page about content should not be in the charter.
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::Submit to the legal eagle - yes?
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::<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 06:36, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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==  Membership of the group ==
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I think that anyone who is registered on the site is ''eligible'' to join the group, but we should have some sort of election / selection process to eliminate SPAM entrants. [[User:TerryE|TerryE]] 04:42, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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:It would be like any other (forum) group.  You apply to join.  The (forum) administrator presumably has to admit you and can check your credentials when doing so.  A similar procedure to the formation of the user group on 8daysaweek.
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:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 06:51, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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== Content of  ''the Site'' ==
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I feel that we need a statement that all content of the site should be made under GPL OD licence.  The constition should state this and therefore "Decisions on access to records of decisions of ''the board'' by persons other than ombudsmen shall be made by the board." is in conflict with this.  All decisions should be public. &mdash; [[User:TerryE|TerryE]] 05:00, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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:'''GPL-ing'''.  This is a great idea, however a copyright might be wiser.  Don't really want to give editing rights to official proceedings, but do want to make it very accessible.
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:[[User:Saphil|Saphil]] 16:50, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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::There is a difference between open access and right to plagiarise and that of fraudulently re-editing.  We prevent the second by signing agreed minutes &mdash; [[User:TerryE|TerryE]] 02:14, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
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:::Minutes made available to the public on a locked forum seems plenty secure enough. Someone is designated the scribe and maintains the postings, the attendees / participants have a chance to verify the accuracy. Seems simple enough<br> @[[User:DrewJensen|Drew]] 08:22, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
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Licensing for the overall site content? What would you think of the Creative Commons Attribution license. See [http://creativecommons.org/license/results-one?license_code=by-sa&wiki=true&lang=en:here for reference] looking at the human readable page might be a bit misleading, you need to have a peek at the actual text, legalize.<br> @[[User:DrewJensen|Drew]] 08:22, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
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==== From the oo.o site use page ====
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[http://www.sunsource.net/TUPPCP.html]
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[[User:Saphil|Saphil]] 17:18, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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== Other draft pages ==
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:'''We need more wiki pages'''.  One each for the above draft, text for the home page, forum rules, a welcoming email, a forum guide.  I suppose they should all be together.  If I feel well enough, I'll put some proposals on the private board and TerryE can add them as pages to his wiki user site.  I'll "borrow" from openfree.org and other sources; I feel well enough for that.
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:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 09:58, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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::'''I've run off the beginnings of text for a home page'''.  I suggest that a home page of some degree of detail is the minimum we should aim for by the beginning of the Conference in 13 days' time.  Rather than clog up this page with more verbiage, I've put it up on [http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddvrk47_45t7spx3 Google] whence TerryE can copy it to a wiki page.  I don't see us having other pages ready for linking in the text.
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::<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 10:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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On further reflection, I suppose it does not have to be on TerryE's site, so I've put it on the '''[[User:Fossy/home_page|site home page]]'''
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== The Roll Hierarchy seems too complicated ==
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The constitution current defines:
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* the group
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* the site
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* volunteer
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* (anyone registered with the site)
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* (founding members)
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* officers
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* executive
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* the board
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* the ombudsman or (is it ombudsmen)
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* the Governor
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* the President of the Group (who may not be the Governor)
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* the Director of IT
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* the Director of Publicity
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* Director of Funding
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* Director of Content
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* Ombudsman's Office.
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This seems awfully convolved, and it isn't at all clear who is actually responsible for what; when can general members flex their muscles and in what way; and to what level can the executives ignore them.
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I think we need to start off with: the site, registered member, volunteer, founding volunteer, executive, ombudsman.  After that I run out of steam, but being pragmatic I think that we should also differentiate the roles: guest, registered member, moderator, administrator, system administrator.
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I feel that we should acknowledge that in the first 6-12 months we are in foundation phase, where we will unilaterally  resolving catch-22s and therefore have start-up appointments but beyond that being a founding member confers absolutely no rights in itself. 
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[[User:TerryE|TerryE]] 02:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
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:I think we've ended up with some duplications because of the merger.  I see 3 board members as plenty but, hey, 5 is a good number 2.  I see the board appointing other officers and also deciding who on the board does what.  The less detail in the charter, the more freedom and flexibility.
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:Oversight by the volunteers generally would occur by two of them calling a poll on some matter.  Surely the management group should have its own area in the forum for discussion of issues that arise from time to time.  I believe in keeping things as informal as possible initially because experience will teach the team what works best.
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:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>[[User:Fossy|athos]] 06:19, 6 September 2007 (CEST)<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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::Regarding Volunteers and Founding Volunteers: I don't really see any need for this distinction.
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::[[User:DrewJensen|Drew]] 07:34, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
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:::There is no need.  The charter is enacted by the founding members of the site.  Those are they who reply to your email and vote 'yes' to the charter and the hosting arrangement.
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:::'''The charter needs to say''' that at the same time as its adoption, the  founding members elect individually whether to join the volunteers group.
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:::The volunteers group (once established) elects its board consisting of executives / directors.  Alternatively, the founding members decide the first board at the same time as adopting the charter and the hosting arrangement.
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:::The directors appoint the webmasters, forum administrators and moderators.
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:::That's it.  I'd leave it to the directors to decide how they divide responsibilities amongst themselves.  In the absence of division, they must decide by majority vote amongst themselves.
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:::Thereafter, the board or any director can call a poll.  Any two or more volunteers can jointly call a poll.
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:::The volunteers have right of access to all records and information and are the only persons who may be appointed to any site office.
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:::<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Fossy|athos]] 07:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST) <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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== List of issues and votes ==
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What are the issues to be resolved?  Write an issue here and we'll vote on it.
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<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> athos' idea <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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1) Can't vote upon it until the legal eagle gets a look at it, but approval of the Charter (after whatever revisions) seems likely <br>
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2) Choose the application<br>
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3) set initial or default "theme-ing"<br>
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[[User:Saphil|Saphil]] 17:19, 7 September 2007 (CEST)<br>
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