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What it the purpose of the chapter "Various Printer Options Dialogs"? The "Printer Options" dialog is a system dialog provided by the printer. OOo can it only use as it is, and cannot change anything there.Regina 16:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but: you mean "Properties...", not "Options...". "Options..." brings up application specific print settings, while "Properties..." brings up the native printer driver dialog. PhilippL

The chapter title is "Various Printer Options Dialogs". It seems to me, that it shows screenshots from a native printer driver dialog. If yes, then there are two problems: (1) Chapter title should be "Various Printer Properties Dialogs" (2) What is the purpose of that chapter?
ah, ok I understand, now PhilippL
Re (1): The captions below the graphics state both options and preferences, so I just removed options, okay?; Re (2): It is meant to better understand how printing works in OOo and what other dialogs/terminology/... is affected. You may notice that e.g. the "Warning Print Options Dialog" is pretty different from the other options (no trim, other wording). --ChristophNoack 22:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
As far as I see, it mixes up dialogs which are generated by OOo and dialogs, which are generated from the printer driver. I have added a row for the dialogs which are generated from the printer driver of my HP printer. Perhaps you make a similar row for your printer?
As far as I remember, the "Warning Print Options Dialog" was introduced as a short fix for the buggy implementation of the options settings in Draw. I think, those settings should be integrated into the printing dialog again. Regina 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Added more fields to adjust the N-Up pages like regina mentioned. This does not yet interact with the copy count (aka. one page document twice on paper). However the requested margins are available. The copy count interaction yet to come. PhilippL

Thanks, that is nice know. Regina 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Mmh, this will require a clean up if we keep that. Concerning the latter functionality, I recommend to not implement it. --ChristophNoack 22:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
But copy count interaction would make OOo unique. You always need workarounds or special programs to get such printing. From my experience on user forums, I'm not the only one, who is interested in such a feature. Regina 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Regina, could you please add that to the new "other ideas" section, along with some references to some of the forum discussions. That would be great! So, this idea isn't lost and I could have a look at other users' opinions. Thanks! --ChristophNoack 15:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I have added a screen shot from Acrobat Reader. It has two interesting ideas.

  1. A slider beneath the preview to scroll through the sheets.
  2. Four arrangement modes. That might be useful for languages with right-to-left or top-down direction. Regina 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Added repeat count to N-Up

Added another control to the N-Up page to complete the feature set, you can set a repeat count now to repeat every page in the N-Up setup. In the example you see a 2 page A5 document printed in 3 culumns on A4. This should do the trick for regina. However I agree with Christoph we definitely need a simpler version of this; I suggest a "View advanced options" checkbox on the lower left.

I think OOo has to implement the four arrangement variants in addition. You find this variants in the Acrobat Reader printing dialog and too in my HP printer settings.
N-Up needs surely a simple and an advanced mode. All that together is too much for a simple use. What about a drop-down list like in Acrobat Reader. It has the choices 2,4,6,9,16,Custom. Is it possible to hide rows, columns, repeat. margins, and spacing and show it only if "Custom" is chosen? If yes, then I would keep in simple mode: drop-down for count of pages (including "Custom"), portrait/landscape, drop-down for arrangement, checkbox for border, all in the upper part. The other settings go to the lower part and are only shown in "Custom" mode. Regina 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Dialog Proposal

Proposal for distributing the settings on the tabs

I've made a spreadsheet document, where each sheet corresponds to one tab in the printing dialog. It describes only the right part of the dialog and assumes that there is always a preview in the left part of the dialog. The distribution is different from the CWS. I use the "tabs": Job Setup, Print Range, Page Content, N-UP, Scaling and Position. I have tried to define kind of control, value range and default. I have marked beneath the module whether this control is relevant/possible for that module. There are no mockups but only text. I hope that my description is clear enough.

I have put brochure under N-Up, because it is a kind of setting 2 pages on one paper sheet. I have put the margins not under N-Up but in a new "Scaling and Position" tab, because such margins are useful for normal printing too, if you want an unsymmetrical output for to bind the sheets.

The Math module do not need most of the settings, because it has neither a page style nor has the document more than one page. Concerning WriterWeb module I am not sure what page settings are available. I hope that it is technical possible the hide/show and to activate/deactivate controls and tabs depending on the content.

There are a lot of confusion in Calc about the page counting and also N-Up might be confuse page number and physical sheet. Therefore I think, that the "page" number in the tab "Job Setup" should always be that number that is used in the preview.

I would be pleased if you have a look at my proposal and comment on it.Regina 19:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

- your proposal includes lots of new features like "printing with antialiasing", "percent scaling" and such. In fact we had a zoomed printing control in spadmin for over six years and nobody ever complained that it was not functional. So please, don't add lots of features just because you think someone on the world might perhaps need them once in the next ten years. Please remember, this is not a feature wishlist, we want to have a new printing UI for 3.2, not 4.6. (PhilippL)

Percent scaling belongs to the printer options in Math module. Regina
Concerning new print features: You are right. That is impossible for 3.2. Concerning anti-aliasing: I do not know, whether and how the new anti-aliasing feature effects printing already. The wish itself is very old, see Issue 4748 Regina

Proposal without tabs. Mockups.

Christoph explained to me why not to use tabs. I have now looked at his proposal. I see two problems: (1) The area for the options is only four lines high. (2) The preview area is portrait. It would be better to reserve a square to be able to preview landscape sheets too. Even if you use the way to show a landscape print 90° turned, there might be paper sheets with square format. In the mockups, I have integrated the subrange option "page 1-n" into the options area. That gives about six lines room for options. The mockups contain in addition some grey elements to show where space it available to integrate further information.

Another question is about grouping of such options. Should they be grouped in a way, that those options, which belong together in content are grouped together, although some of them might be rarely used? Or should they be grouped, so that the most used ones are in one (first) group? Are there already proposals?

Not all options are needed in all contexts, for example Calc-option "only selected sheets". Is it possible to show them dependent on the context? Regina

Re: Design proposals - System Independent Print Dialog - Selecting the Printer and Providing Printer Information

There are several suggestions how to show the printer selection including state information. These all show state for all printers at once; this is a no-go for anything other than simply a list of printer connected to your local desktop (in which case you don't need the state information anyway, as you can see them directly). On a real network with a hundred printers each of those would have to be connected to show their state; this can take several minutes (trust, me that is from experience), which is an obvious no-go. Only getting a list ove printer names is going to be efficient, so printer state should only be displayed if a printer is actually selected.


Mmh, how do other applications handle that? I don't have an example for hundreds of printers, but today my Gnome print dialog shows a table with all available printers including their location and their status. --ChristophNoack 21:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Visualization of Printed Pages in the Print Preview

Really a nice idea, but not within the next 3 years ;-)

Oh, Macs do that - at least until now.

Ph. Lohman asking on Mac Porting mailinglist: "the current state is a backstep in so far as the native mac print dialog does not show a preview anymore owing to the fact that the same binary is suitable for MacOSX 10.4 also. We could solve this by having a two step approach: have the print options we add (and that result in the missing preview) appear in a first dialog, followed by the native print dialog, which would then show a preview again. The question is what is preferable to the Mac user. "

Having an extra dialog pop up every time I want to print don't seem to me a good idea - and loosing preview ability also is not exactly what I would expect from an UI improvement.

So can we please stay at least for Macs with the current File > Printer Settings > Options (which itself is a copy of > Preferences > <OOo Writer|Calc|Impress > Print) as a pre-setting of the document which has to be decided before start printing (once, not every time new)? And keep a working Preview? when the day comes and we drop 10.4 support, we may integrate this into a native printer tab.

For OOo native print dialog this behavior may be changed according to the other operating systems (I don't think that much mac users will choose that option)--Uwealtmann 19:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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