Difference between revisions of "Talk:Printerpullpages"

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What it the purpose of the chapter "Various Printer Options Dialogs"? The "Printer Options" dialog is a system dialog provided by the printer. OOo can it only use as it is, and cannot change anything there.Regina 16:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but: you mean "Properties...", not "Options...". "Options..." brings up application specific print settings, while "Properties..." brings up the native printer driver dialog. PhilippL

The chapter title is "Various Printer Options Dialogs". It seems to me, that it shows screenshots from a native printer driver dialog. If yes, then there are two problems: (1) Chapter title should be "Various Printer Properties Dialogs" (2) What is the purpose of that chapter?

ah, ok I understand, now PhilippL

Re (1): The captions below the graphics state both options and preferences, so I just removed options, okay?; Re (2): It is meant to better understand how printing works in OOo and what other dialogs/terminology/... is affected. You may notice that e.g. the "Warning Print Options Dialog" is pretty different from the other options (no trim, other wording). --ChristophNoack 22:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

As far as I see, it mixes up dialogs which are generated by OOo and dialogs, which are generated from the printer driver. I have added a row for the dialogs which are generated from the printer driver of my HP printer. Perhaps you make a similar row for your printer?

As far as I remember, the "Warning Print Options Dialog" was introduced as a short fix for the buggy implementation of the options settings in Draw. I think, those settings should be integrated into the printing dialog again. Regina 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Added more fields to adjust the N-Up pages like regina mentioned. This does not yet interact with the copy count (aka. one page document twice on paper). However the requested margins are available. The copy count interaction yet to come. PhilippL

Thanks, that is nice know. Regina 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Mmh, this will require a clean up if we keep that. Concerning the latter functionality, I recommend to not implement it. --ChristophNoack 22:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

But copy count interaction would make OOo unique. You always need workarounds or special programs to get such printing. From my experience on user forums, I'm not the only one, who is interested in such a feature. Regina 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Regina, could you please add that to the new "other ideas" section, along with some references to some of the forum discussions. That would be great! So, this idea isn't lost and I could have a look at other users' opinions. Thanks! --ChristophNoack 15:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I have added a screen shot from Acrobat Reader. It has two interesting ideas.

1. A slider beneath the preview to scroll through the sheets.
2. Four arrangement modes. That might be useful for languages with right-to-left or top-down direction. Regina 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Added repeat count to N-Up

Added another control to the N-Up page to complete the feature set, you can set a repeat count now to repeat every page in the N-Up setup. In the example you see a 2 page A5 document printed in 3 culumns on A4. This should do the trick for regina. However I agree with Christoph we definitely need a simpler version of this; I suggest a "View advanced options" checkbox on the lower left.

I think OOo has to implement the four arrangement variants in addition. You find this variants in the Acrobat Reader printing dialog and too in my HP printer settings.

N-Up needs surely a simple and an advanced mode. All that together is too much for a simple use. What about a drop-down list like in Acrobat Reader. It has the choices 2,4,6,9,16,Custom. Is it possible to hide rows, columns, repeat. margins, and spacing and show it only if "Custom" is chosen? If yes, then I would keep in simple mode: drop-down for count of pages (including "Custom"), portrait/landscape, drop-down for arrangement, checkbox for border, all in the upper part. The other settings go to the lower part and are only shown in "Custom" mode. Regina 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Dialog Proposal

Proposal for distributing the settings on the tabs

I've made a spreadsheet document, where each sheet corresponds to one tab in the printing dialog. It describes only the right part of the dialog and assumes that there is always a preview in the left part of the dialog. The distribution is different from the CWS. I use the "tabs": Job Setup, Print Range, Page Content, N-UP, Scaling and Position. I have tried to define kind of control, value range and default. I have marked beneath the module whether this control is relevant/possible for that module. There are no mockups but only text. I hope that my description is clear enough.

I have put brochure under N-Up, because it is a kind of setting 2 pages on one paper sheet. I have put the margins not under N-Up but in a new "Scaling and Position" tab, because such margins are useful for normal printing too, if you want an unsymmetrical output for to bind the sheets.

The Math module do not need most of the settings, because it has neither a page style nor has the document more than one page. Concerning WriterWeb module I am not sure what page settings are available. I hope that it is technical possible the hide/show and to activate/deactivate controls and tabs depending on the content.

There are a lot of confusion in Calc about the page counting and also N-Up might be confuse page number and physical sheet. Therefore I think, that the "page" number in the tab "Job Setup" should always be that number that is used in the preview.

I would be pleased if you have a look at my proposal and comment on it.Regina 19:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

- your proposal includes lots of new features like "printing with antialiasing", "percent scaling" and such. In fact we had a zoomed printing control in spadmin for over six years and nobody ever complained that it was not functional. So please, don't add lots of features just because you think someone on the world might perhaps need them once in the next ten years. Please remember, this is not a feature wishlist, we want to have a new printing UI for 3.2, not 4.6. (PhilippL)