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== IRC Log ==
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Andreas: hi everyone
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lizm: hi folks
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[16:02] Andreas: we are just waiting for martin to show up.
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[16:00] clu_sun: moin
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[16:03] clu_sun: moin
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[16:01] Andreas_Sun: hi liz, everyone
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[16:03] Andreas: don't know if he will make it today
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[16:01] FrankL: Hi!
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[16:03] christoph_n: hi there
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[16:02] lizm: is martin coming today?
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[16:04] FrankL: Hi!
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[16:02] Andreas_Sun: don't know
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[16:08] Andreas: it seems that Martin is not here today
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[16:02] Andreas_Sun: did not get any message from martin
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[16:08] Andreas: so lets start anyway
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[16:03] Andreas_Sun: maybe we should start anyway
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[16:09] Andreas: Frank is currently updating the project tasks
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[16:03] FrankL: Last Monday was a public holiday here in Germany.
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[16:11] Andreas: a few days before someone asked on the mailing list to codunct the competitive analysis
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[16:04] FrankL: So we have to talk about the project status presentation.
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[16:12] christoph_n: Yes, I told him that it might be beneficial to wait for what is required. Do we know?  
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[16:04] Andreas_Sun: so, let's go through the task list
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[16:12] Andreas: i think Jaron was the one, correct me if i am wrong. was there anyone else?
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[16:04] Andreas_Sun: ok
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[16:12] Andreas: ok christioph, do you know who that was?
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[16:04] lizm: I hope nobody was waiting for a meeting here
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[16:12] christoph_n: (still searching)
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[16:04] Andreas_Sun: let's start then with the status presentation
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[16:12] christoph_n: Miroslav
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[16:05] FrankL: The presentation took place on Friday, May 29.
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[16:12] Andreas: ok
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[16:05] FrankL: Please find the presentation here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Presentations
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[16:13] Andreas: one interesting question in that context would be to find out if and where competitive offering are more efficient then we are
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[16:06] linuxtogo hat den Chatroom betreten.
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[16:14] Andreas: sorry, than we are
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[16:06] FrankL: We had to use the PDF format this time because we exceeded the 2MB file size limit
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[16:14] christoph_n: Is this possible by just looking at it? Do we need common tasks, e.g. based on the survey results or user feedback?
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[16:07] linuxtogo hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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[16:15] christoph_n: What was planned, originally?
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[16:07] lizm: My task of writing a blog to sum up the call for proposals is Done. "summary" was a term someone else used, not realizing that in English "sum up" and "summary" can mean different things. I hope everyone found my blog informative anyway.
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[16:15] Andreas: I guess it would require both
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[16:08] lizm: Shall I update the wiki page with the task list as we go through it?
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[16:16] Andreas: e.g. creating a professionally looking presentation and a photo album
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[16:08] Andreas_Sun: yes please
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[16:16] Andreas: inserting and handling images and tables
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[16:08] Andreas_Sun: someone any news from the competitive analysis?
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[16:16] Andreas: all the basics
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[16:08] linuxtogo hat den Chatroom betreten.
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[16:16] Andreas: however, exploration would also be necessary
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[16:09] Andreas_Sun: don't know who took the action item
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[16:17] Andreas: Miroslav might also add something
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[16:09] Andreas_Sun: was that Miroslav?
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[16:18] christoph_n: So how to proceed? I think a general answer to the list (and Miroslav) is a first step. So do we agree on basic tasks in presentation software?
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[16:09] Andreas_Sun: and Jaron?
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[16:18] christoph_n: Or do we also address the other OpenOffice.org/SO modules?
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[16:10] FrankL: FYI: Martin D. is out of office until June 16th 2009.
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[16:19] Andreas: no
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[16:11] Andreas_Sun: ok, good to know
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[16:19] Andreas: important thing is that if we want to benefit from that analysis, first insight must be available as soon as possible
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[16:11] lizm: I saw that at least Miroslav had a couple of mails with Christoph regarding where to publish comp analysis. What about the to do Publish feedback from proposal contributors as blog, clu?
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[16:20] Andreas: otherwise we won't be able to use the findings during prototyping
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[16:11] Andreas_Sun: that was c. noack's task
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[16:20] Andreas: Impress module first since we deal with it right now
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[16:12] lizm: ok I'll leave as in progress
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[16:20] christoph_n: Okay, is there a realistic chance to get some results based on the user feedback? E.g. the top 50 of features which might give a clue what the user really does?
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[16:13] clu_sun: @liz: not with me
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[16:22] Andreas: quite difficult currently because we have some problems assigning the source of functional calls e.g. was CTRL-S pressed in Calc or Impress
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[16:13] Andreas_Sun: ok next
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[16:22] Andreas: in addition, usage feedback extension won't tell you much about the tasks users try to do.
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[16:13] Andreas_Sun: proposal reviews are also finished know
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[16:23] christoph_n: Okay, so we have to develop a list based on our experience?
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[16:14] Andreas_Sun: for competitive analysis we might ask christoph or miroslav about the progress
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[16:23] Andreas: a lot is avaible from the last user survey
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[16:16] lizm: I wrote in progress in the talble just now because I have seen a few messages on the list about this, so I know he is researching already
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[16:23] Andreas: I have a list of 250 pages with user feedback from users who use Impress
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[16:16] Andreas_Sun: ok
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[16:23] Andreas: I guess a close look at that data would reveal a lot
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[16:17] FrankL: I have no update on the progress of the deinstallation survey. I guess it is still in localization process. Will ask Rosana after this meeting.
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[16:24] Andreas: if we concentrate at their activities and experiences
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[16:17] lizm: ok
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[16:24] christoph_n: As far as I understand: replay to the list, consider asic tasks in Impress, based on the user survey data (comments), asap
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[16:17] lizm: do we have new tasks?
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[16:24] christoph_n: sorry: replay --> reply
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[16:18] Andreas_Sun: prepare Scrum project for prototyping
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[16:24] Andreas: correct
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[16:19] lizm: should I already put in "prep status rep for June" as new?
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[16:24] christoph_n: ouch: asic --> basic
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[16:19] lizm: ok, gott it andreas
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[16:25] FrankL: BTW the OOo User Survey 2009 data based on >125k users  is available too.
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[16:19] Andreas_Sun: sure (status presentation)
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[16:26] FrankL: Link: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1:OOoUser_Survey2009
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[16:19] lizm: ok
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[16:26] christoph_n: Documentation in the Wiki? How about a visual walkthrough to be as objective as possible (may be enhanced by a "experience" summary).
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[16:22] lizm: any other new tasks?
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[16:27] Andreas: visual walkthrough???
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[16:23] Andreas_Sun: i don't have any
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[16:27] christoph_n: Screenshots which reveal each step.
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[16:23] lizm: who is the owner of status rep June? Frank? or All?
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[16:28] Andreas: if that anwsers the question if and where competition is better
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[16:23] Andreas_Sun: all
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[16:28] christoph_n: Andreas, who will answer? (As always, this is a rather rhetorical question.)
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[16:24] lizm: ok
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[16:29] Andreas: the competitive analysis
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[16:24] lizm: If that is everything, then have a good day or evening everyone!
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[16:29] christoph_n: I meant the person replying to Miroslav. I'll do that, okay? The rest of the discussion should be on the list (in my opinion).
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[16:25] FrankL: June status report will be on June 26. Will be my last day before my 2 week vacation.
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[16:30] Andreas: ok
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[16:25] FrankL: So I will take that one
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[16:31] christoph_n: Next item?
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[16:27] Andreas_Sun: ok
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[16:31] Andreas: we have the proposals "evaluation" which is basically giving feedback to interesting or maybe unclear ideas
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[16:27] lizm: got it
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[16:32] Andreas: i guess that this is almost done.
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[16:28] lizm: hey who else is editing hte wiki page? I said I would do it.
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[16:32] Andreas: since the deadline was today, anyway.
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[16:28] FrankL: Thats it from my side.
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[16:33] christoph_n: Yep. Johannes asked if it will be possible to continue the work on the proposals.
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[16:28] FrankL: That was me in front of this meeting
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[16:33] Andreas: well of course. but i have to ask with which gaol?
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[16:29] lizm: Grrrrr now  I have to merge my changes. Oh well. everybody out now so I am the only one editing, please. Thx
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[16:33] Andreas: sorry goal
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[16:29] FrankL: and I have added the to do for Andreas  
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[16:34] Andreas: what should be the outcome of further steps?
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[16:29] lizm: ThanskGoodbye all
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[16:34] christoph_n: He thinks it's not finished yet. Yesterday, I replied that he might work on that, but the key ideas are already there.
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[16:29] FrankL: Bye!
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[16:34] Andreas: what is finished, how do you define finished?
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[16:29] clu_sun hat den Chatroom verlassen. ("Leaving")
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[16:34] christoph_n: Concerning the outcome, it seems that the next step isn't too well described at the moment.
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[16:31] Andreas_Sun: bye bye
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[16:35] Andreas: and what do we gain if everyone if "finished"?
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[16:35] christoph_n: finished (from what I understand) --> personally satisfied with the outcome
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[16:35] Andreas: I agree, at least it is not that clearly described online
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[16:35] christoph_n: I propose to make it more clear in the summarizing blog post, we discussed earlier.
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[16:35] Andreas: however, we have a project plan which also described what was attempted to do in the design phase
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[16:36] Andreas: unfortunately we jumped right into the last step of the phase, but however, that where we actually are
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[16:37] Andreas: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_"
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[16:37] Andreas: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_2
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[16:37] Andreas: sorry
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[16:39] christoph_n: Back to the question. It's important that the ideas are available in a sufficient quality (quality = understandability). I think this goal is (more than) reached for most of the proposals. So the next step is the summary?
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[16:39] Andreas: sure, I guess that would be a nice blog entry
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[16:40] Andreas: by the way  ideation is about quanitity not quality
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[16:40] Andreas: again, something I learned in Berlin and I pretty much get the point and agree now
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[16:40] christoph_n: Oh, then I missed the approach
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[16:41] Andreas: ok, so what's next.
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[16:41] Andreas: the blog entry
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[16:42] Andreas: summarizing commonalities and maybe differences among the proposals
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[16:42] christoph_n: And I would like to ask the authors to clean up the proposals (e.g. removing the gray explanatory text, updating the status).
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[16:42] Andreas: ok
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[16:42] Andreas: Liz is on vacation today, correct?
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[16:42] FrankL: Yes.
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[16:44] Andreas: Liz was going to do the summary right?
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[16:44] Andreas: so we have a new action item 1
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[16:44] Andreas: I am going to blog about what's currently going on and what we plan to do next
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[16:44] christoph_n: --> Andreas: Great!
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[16:45] Andreas: we did some experimental ideation last week with people with many different backgrounds
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[16:45] Andreas: I'd like to share that experience and the outcomes we genereted
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[16:45] Andreas: quite cool actaully
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[16:46] Andreas: I guess I am done then for today
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[16:47] Andreas: so action item 2 is mine
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[16:48] christoph_n: Another question by me: I would like to ask the authors for some feedback - what worked well, what not? I would like to ask on the mailing list. Any ideas? Should this be delayed for some reason?
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[16:48] christoph_n: Goal: To better know how to organize the ideas collection for the next steps...
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[16:48] Andreas: you go go!
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[16:48] Andreas: and may I give an advice?
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[16:49] christoph_n: ... I asked for it.  
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[16:49] Andreas: ok, you should be very clear this time what IDEAS COLLECTION actually is OR what we/you want it to be and FOR WHAT PURPOSE
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[16:50] Andreas: I guess we could have done it better
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[16:50] FrankL: but we have done it  
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[16:51] christoph_n: ... I don't know what you mean. Is it about the additional ideas which have been proposed (apart from accessing functionality??
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[16:51] Andreas: don't know, is it  
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[16:52] Andreas: every type of a proposal has its role
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[16:52] christoph_n: Okay, I will ask on the list. It has to be summed up anyway.
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[16:52] Andreas: however, if all depends on what is currently the focus
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[16:53] Andreas: so another action item for christoph ?
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[16:54] christoph_n: AC for Christoph: Do the ACs mentioned for Christoph.
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[16:54] christoph_n:
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[16:54] christoph_n: AC --> AI (it seems that I does not always mean intelligence)
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[16:55] christoph_n: That's all at the moment. Anybody else?
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[16:55] FrankL: We had  some more PR in May about Project Renaissance: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Press_Coverage
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[16:55] christoph_n: Wow, I should check this page more often...
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[16:56] Andreas: in deed
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[16:57] Andreas: ok, stick a fork in me, I'm done
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[16:57] FrankL: Me too
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[16:57] FrankL wurde von ChanServ zum Operator gemacht.
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[16:58] christoph_n: Bye (if there nothing else...)!
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[16:58] FrankL: Bye!
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[16:58] Andreas: same. Talk to you next week!
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[16:58] Andreas: Ciao
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Meeting Details

  • 2009-06-08, 4:00 PM CET
  • IRC details: irc.freenode.net #ux.openoffice.org

In Attendance

  • Andreas Bartel (IRC: Andreas)
  • Frank Loehmann (IRC: FrankL)
  • Christoph Lukasiak (IRC: clu_sun)
  • Elizabeth Matthis

Agenda Items

  • Review of old action items
  • Round Table

Action Items

Date Description Owner Status
2009-01-19/4 Compatitive Analysis none Stalled

Comments on Action Items

- Competitive analysis will be conducted by community member(s). Analysis will be based on findings from our user surveys. It is important that we get first insights as soon as possible in order to use them for prototyping.

Round Table

  • Christoph N. wants to collect feedback from proposal submitters about the idea collection process.
  • Frank L. has posted new results from the User Survey 2009
  • Andreas B. will blog about next steps and ideation methods/results done last week.

IRC Log

== IRC Log ==
lizm: hi folks
[16:00] clu_sun: moin
[16:01] Andreas_Sun: hi liz, everyone
[16:01] FrankL: Hi!
[16:02] lizm: is martin coming today?
[16:02] Andreas_Sun: don't know
[16:02] Andreas_Sun: did not get any message from martin
[16:03] Andreas_Sun: maybe we should start anyway
[16:03] FrankL: Last Monday was a public holiday here in Germany.
[16:04] FrankL: So we have to talk about the project status presentation.
[16:04] Andreas_Sun: so, let's go through the task list
[16:04] Andreas_Sun: ok
[16:04] lizm: I hope nobody was waiting for a meeting here 
[16:04] Andreas_Sun: let's start then with the status presentation
[16:05] FrankL: The presentation took place on Friday, May 29.
[16:05] FrankL: Please find the presentation here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Presentations
[16:06] linuxtogo hat den Chatroom betreten.
[16:06] FrankL: We had to use the PDF format this time because we exceeded the 2MB file size limit 
[16:07] linuxtogo hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[16:07] lizm: My task of writing a blog to sum up the call for proposals is Done. "summary" was a term someone else used, not realizing that in English "sum up" and "summary" can mean different things. I hope everyone found my blog informative anyway.
[16:08] lizm: Shall I update the wiki page with the task list as we go through it?
[16:08] Andreas_Sun: yes please
[16:08] Andreas_Sun: someone any news from the competitive analysis?
[16:08] linuxtogo hat den Chatroom betreten.
[16:09] Andreas_Sun: don't know who took the action item
[16:09] Andreas_Sun: was that Miroslav?
[16:09] Andreas_Sun: and Jaron?
[16:10] FrankL: FYI: Martin D. is out of office until June 16th 2009.
[16:11] Andreas_Sun: ok, good to know
[16:11] lizm: I saw that at least Miroslav had a couple of mails with Christoph regarding where to publish comp analysis. What about the to do Publish feedback from proposal contributors as blog, clu?
[16:11] Andreas_Sun: that was c. noack's task
[16:12] lizm: ok I'll leave as in progress
[16:13] clu_sun: @liz: not with me
[16:13] Andreas_Sun: ok next
[16:13] Andreas_Sun: proposal reviews are also finished know
[16:14] Andreas_Sun: for competitive analysis we might ask christoph or miroslav about the progress
[16:16] lizm: I wrote in progress in the talble just now because I have seen a few messages on the list about this, so I know he is researching already
[16:16] Andreas_Sun: ok
[16:17] FrankL: I have no update on the progress of the deinstallation survey. I guess it is still in localization process. Will ask Rosana after this meeting.
[16:17] lizm: ok
[16:17] lizm: do we have new tasks?
[16:18] Andreas_Sun: prepare Scrum project for prototyping
[16:19] lizm: should I already put in "prep status rep for June" as new?
[16:19] lizm: ok, gott it andreas
[16:19] Andreas_Sun: sure (status presentation)
[16:19] lizm: ok
[16:22] lizm: any other new tasks?
[16:23] Andreas_Sun: i don't have any
[16:23] lizm: who is the owner of status rep June? Frank? or All?
[16:23] Andreas_Sun: all
[16:24] lizm: ok
[16:24] lizm: If that is everything, then have a good day or evening everyone!
[16:25] FrankL: June status report will be on June 26. Will be my last day before my 2 week vacation.
[16:25] FrankL: So I will take that one 
[16:27] Andreas_Sun: ok
[16:27] lizm: got it
[16:28] lizm: hey who else is editing hte wiki page? I said I would do it.
[16:28] FrankL: Thats it from my side.
[16:28] FrankL: That was me in front of this meeting 
[16:29] lizm: Grrrrr now  I have to merge my changes. Oh well. everybody out now so I am the only one editing, please. Thx
[16:29] FrankL: and I have added the to do for Andreas 
[16:29] lizm: ThanskGoodbye all
[16:29] FrankL: Bye!
[16:29] clu_sun hat den Chatroom verlassen. ("Leaving")
[16:31] Andreas_Sun: bye bye
== IRC Log ==
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