Renaissance:Status Meetings:2009-02-09

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Meeting Details

• 2009-02-09, 4:00 PM CET
• IRC details: irc.freenode.net #ux.openoffice.org

Minutes

• Review of old action items

Action Items

Date	Description	Owner	Status
2009-02-09/1	ODF document analyzer	Andreas	Stalled
2009-02-09/2	User survey 2009	Frank	In progress
2009-02-09/3	Usage Tracking marketing text	lizm	In progress
2009-02-09/4	User Tracking Functionality	Andreas	In progress
2009-02-09/5	IsoMetrics-L in Florida	Andreas	In progress
2009-02-09/6	Compatitive Analysis	Frank	In progress
2009-02-09/7	Ethnographic research	Andreas	In progress

Comments on Action Items

2009-02-09/1: Still looking for contributions

2009-02-09/2: Should be ready by the end of this week

2009-02-09/3: Liz is preparing text with Kay Koll

2009-02-09/4: We need to clarify status of keyboard tracking

2009-02-09/5: So far not a lot of feedback, context is vague

2009-02-09/6: Frank is taking over the action item

2009-02-09/7: No time yet

IRC log

[15:54] clu_sun: moin, where i can find the agenda for today? [15:56] Andreas__: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings:2009-02-09 [15:56] Andreas__: but its empty [15:56] Andreas__: no items today [15:56] Andreas__: at leat no specific items [15:57] clu_sun: ok [15:58] lizm: Where is martin? [15:59] lizm: Should we just go ahead? [15:59] Andreas__: Martin is busy today, he asked me to go through the items [15:59] lizm: ok [16:00] Andreas__: we should probably start in a minute [16:00] Andreas__: ok, now [16:00] frankl: Ok [16:00] Andreas__: so, let's go through the action items [16:01] Andreas__: ODF analyzer [16:01] Andreas__: I did continue a bit last friday [16:01] Andreas__: however, did not have a lot of time to do much, still looking for contributions [16:02] Andreas__: i contacted Svante for some help, but he's on leave currently and could not respond [16:02] Andreas__: at least not that much [16:02] Andreas__: so, not a lot is happening with this aItem [16:02] Andreas__: 2. User survey 2 [16:02] Andreas__: what's up Frank? [16:03] frankl: We had more input than expected after reeasing the draft to the community last week. [16:03] frankl: We need some aditional questions regarding performance. [16:04] mdamboldt: Hi! Sorry for beeing late.... [16:04] frankl: Translation to Frensh has been provided by Sophie from the Community. Dutch maybe follow next week. [16:05] frankl: I think we could have a final draft of the survey by Wednesday this week. [16:05] mba hat den Chatroom betreten. [16:05] Andreas__: @Martin: you want to continue? [16:05] frankl: Then present translations have to be updated until end of this week before we could release the survey. [16:06] mdamboldt: Andreas: I would be glad if you would go ahead. [16:06] Andreas__: ok [16:07] Andreas__: so let's try to fix the survey by the end of this week [16:07] Andreas__: that would be great [16:07] Andreas__: anything else to add to this item? [16:08] frankl: Not from my side. [16:08] Andreas__: ok. next item is Usage tracking in 3.1 [16:08] lizm: In Progress. I spoke with Kay in marketing about it and he said there are many things the text has to cover (addressing users' fears, explaining the functionality, etc), so he and I are working on the text together now. [16:09] Andreas__: very nice, due date? [16:09] Andreas__: i think this action item is not on the list yet? [16:09] lizm: I didn't discuss one with him [16:09] lizm: I said asap [16:09] lizm: but that isn't very exact is it. [16:10] Andreas__: as soon as it's done before release of 3.1 [16:10] Andreas__: then it's fine I guess [16:10] lizm: But it is on the list in the Feb 2 minutes [16:10] Andreas__: I mean I don't see in on the Project Action Items [16:11] Andreas__: in the wiki, we should put it in there [16:11] lizm: That's true [16:11] Andreas__: ok, back to status of Usage Tracking [16:12] Andreas__: it will appear in 3.1, however with some limitations, keyboard support will be missing [16:12] Andreas__: that is something for later releases [16:12] Andreas__: any comments to this one? [16:12] mdamboldt: Andreas__: What exactly means "keyboard support will be missing"? We don't log any keyboard events? [16:13] Andreas__: exactly [16:13] lizm: Only eye tracking ha ha [16:13] Andreas__: as far as I got it right, currently only mouse event in toolbars and menus are tracked [16:13] Andreas__: less than optimal, but it works [16:13] Andreas__: a good start, i gues [16:14] lizm: better than nothing and a very good start [16:14] Andreas__: exactly [16:15] Andreas__: 3. Ethnographic reseach [16:15] mdamboldt: Andreas__: So if a user press "Ctrl-S" to save a document we wont record that? [16:15] Andreas__: no [16:15] Andreas__: I know it's bad, but that's the current status [16:15] Andreas__: 3.1.1 should include that then [16:16] clu_sun: keyboard tracking without tracking sensitive data like passwords sounds difficult .. [16:16] mba: mdamboldt: I'm not sure that this is true [16:17] Andreas__: that's at least the status from the last meating I was in last week [16:18] Andreas__: @mba: you have different news? [16:18] mba: We will not track the keyboard event (that doesn't make sense in e.g. a word processor), but it's possible that we track the execution of the accelerator (at least we should, I'm currently checking) [16:18] mdamboldt: All: Just talked to Bjoern by phone and he will double check this, too. [16:19] Andreas__: ok [16:19] lizm: BTW: Who updates the project AI list? Do I have to put my AI there or is it Martin? I don't care either way, just so we know the handling in general. [16:20] Andreas__: martin usually handles that, right? but we're responsible for status updates [16:20] mdamboldt: lizm: I started initially to have one location for everything. Feel free to add stuff discussed. [16:20] Andreas__: ok, next item is Ethnographic research [16:22] Andreas__: no progress here so far, I am currently too busy with the surveys [16:22] Andreas__: we'll have to see how we could manage to do that at all [16:23] lizm: Thanks mdamboldt.BTW, I'm glad to have more exact info on the usage tracking so I can have it in the marketing text correctly. So it is good that mba and martin are checking this now. [16:23] Andreas__: you also have nothing new on that topics, martin, right? [16:23] mdamboldt: Correct [16:24] Andreas__: by the way. I posted a link to the discuss list last Friday. It's a video tutorial about Mental Models from Indie Yound. Anyone who's interested in qualitative research should watch that one. Very good! [16:25] Andreas__: any comments to this aItem? [16:26] mdamboldt: I haven't watched the vieo yet. [16:26] lizm: about an hour long, right Andreas? [16:26] Andreas__: it's about 60 minutes long, a real lecture [16:26] Andreas__: right liz [16:27] Andreas__: so anyone who's interested in contributing qualitative data, might learn how it's done from that video [16:28] Andreas__: so next item then [16:28] lizm: ->mdamboldt and mba: any further news on usage tracking right now or can you mail me later [16:29] Andreas__: competitive analysis [16:29] Andreas__: needs a new owner since bettina is busy with other things/projects [16:29] Andreas__: any volunteers? [16:30] frankl: I propose to make a CA when going into details. [16:31] Andreas__: ok [16:32] Andreas__: the rest of aItems is open but the last [16:32] Andreas__: IsoMetrics-L is currently running in Florida [16:33] Andreas__: have 7 respods so far, results are mixed and to few people comments on the problems they have with OOo [16:33] Andreas__: might be due to different reasons: motivation, survey questions, effort etc.... [16:33] Andreas__: I will wait two weeks more and then see what we have [16:34] Andreas__: not so cool is also the fact that the context in that case is not really clear/known [16:35] Andreas__: however, those who did give feedback contributed very interesting information [16:35] Andreas__: particularly problems with styles, but I need to dig deeper here [16:37] Andreas__: when that survey is finished, IsoMetrics-L will be rolled out Sun-Wide. I hope that will result in more written feedback and a better understanding of the context OOo is used [16:37] Andreas__: so, I guess we're through with action items [16:38] Andreas__: round table [16:38] mdamboldt: I've nothing to raise today. [16:38] lizm: Maybe I'll find the time to review more of the IsoM-L questions before the Sun survey goes out. They may be hampering the participants. [16:39] Andreas__: that would be great liz! [16:39] Andreas__: I really think that it's necessary [16:39] Andreas__: however, if you're finished by end of February, that's OK! [16:40] lizm: It is just sooooo long. Ok, end of Feb is a good target [16:40] Andreas__: thanks! [16:41] lizm: are we done [16:41] Andreas__: i guess so [16:41] Andreas__: anyone, any comments? [16:42] mdamboldt: no [16:42] lizm: bye! [16:42] mdamboldt: bye [16:42] Andreas__: bye liz [16:42] lizm hat den Chatroom verlassen. ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008071712]") [16:43] Andreas__: ok then, talk to you next week! [16:43] frankl: bye!