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| 2009-02-09/1 || ODF document analyzer  || Andreas || Stalled
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| 2009-01-19/1 || ODF document analyzer  || Andreas || Stalled
 
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| 2009-02-09/2 || User survey 2009 || Frank || In progress
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| 2009-01-19/2 || User survey 2009 || Frank || In progress
 
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| 2009-02-09/3 || Usage Tracking marketing text || lizm || In progress
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| 2009-02-02/1 || Usage Tracking marketing text || lizm || In progress
 
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| 2009-02-09/4 || User Tracking Functionality || Andreas || In progress
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| 2009-01-19/3 || User Tracking Functionality || Andreas || In progress
 
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| 2009-02-09/5 || IsoMetrics-L in Florida || Andreas || In progress
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| 2009-02-02/2 || IsoMetrics-L in Florida || Andreas || In progress
 
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| 2009-02-09/6 || Compatitive Analysis || Frank || In progress
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| 2009-01-19/4 || Compatitive Analysis || Frank || In progress
 
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| 2009-02-09/7 || Ethnographic research || Andreas || In progress
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| 2009-01-19/5 || Ethnographic research || Andreas || In progress
 
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=== Status of Action Items ===
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=== Comments on Action Items ===
2009-02-09/1: Still looking for contributions
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2009-01-19/1: Still looking for contributions
  
2009-02-09/2: Should be ready by the end of this week
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2009-01-19/2: Should be ready by the end of this week
  
2009-02-09/3: Liz is preparing text with Kay Koll
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2009-02-02/1: Liz is preparing text with Kay Koll
  
2009-02-09/4: We need to clarify status of keyboard tracking
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2009-01-19/3: We need to clarify status of keyboard tracking
  
2009-02-09/5: So far not a lot of feedback, context is vague
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2009-02-02/3: So far not a lot of feedback, context is vague
  
2009-02-09/6: Frank is taking over the action item
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2009-01-19/4: Frank is taking over the action item
  
2009-02-09/7: No time yet
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2009-01-19/5: No time yet
  
 
== IRC Log ==
 
== IRC Log ==
 
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(16:00:24) mdamboldt: Hi
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[15:54] clu_sun: moin, where i can find the agenda for today?
(16:00:31) clu_sun: moin
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[15:56] Andreas__: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings:2009-02-09
(16:00:45) lizm: hello! Good to see Graham here today
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[15:56] Andreas__: but its empty
(16:01:23) Andreas___: hi everyone
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[15:56] Andreas__: no items today
(16:01:40) mdamboldt: First let's review open action items from last week.
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[15:56] Andreas__: at leat no specific items
(16:01:40) mdamboldt: 1#  Think about requirements for performing qualitative research.
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[15:57] clu_sun: ok
(16:01:40) mdamboldt: Andreas; Any update on this one?
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[15:58] lizm: Where is martin?
(16:01:41) frankl: Hi, all
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[15:59] lizm: Should we just go ahead?
(16:02:33) Andreas___: i did send our a short proposal how we might proceed but got nothing back yet
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[15:59] Andreas__: Martin is busy today, he asked me to go through the items
(16:03:16) mdamboldt: Ok.
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[15:59] lizm: ok
(16:03:16) Andreas___: and in meantime i have doubts that we will be able to do everything we wanted to due to little resources
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[16:00] Andreas__: we should probably start in a minute
(16:03:29) mdamboldt: Understood
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[16:00] Andreas__: ok, now
(16:03:32) Andreas___: or do you have anything new
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[16:00] frankl: Ok
(16:03:34) mdamboldt: Next one:
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[16:00] Andreas__: so, let's go through the action items
(16:03:34) mdamboldt: #2 Clarify possibility to fund research analysis.
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[16:01] Andreas__: ODF analyzer
(16:03:34) mdamboldt: Status: Well, I'm waiting for feedback about the funding request.
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[16:01] Andreas__: I did continue a bit last friday
(16:03:39) IZBot: no issue with number 2
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[16:01] Andreas__: however, did not have a lot of time to do much, still looking for contributions
(16:04:15) mdamboldt: Those are all open AI's.
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[16:02] Andreas__: i contacted Svante for some help, but he's on leave currently and could not respond
(16:04:15) mdamboldt: Next topic for todays meeting " Analysis of template repository search items"
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[16:02] Andreas__: at least not that much
(16:04:47) Andreas___: yeah, I though we might discuss it here and maybe someone would offer help to analyze the data
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[16:02] Andreas__: so, not a lot is happening with this aItem
(16:05:03) Andreas___: should be an continious projec
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[16:02] Andreas__: 2. User survey 2
(16:05:04) Andreas___: t
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[16:02] Andreas__: what's up Frank?
(16:05:49) frankl: I have created aword cloud based on the very first results provided by Stella (sts)
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[16:03] frankl: We had more input than expected after reeasing the draft to the community last week.
(16:06:01) ***grahamperrin wakes up
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[16:03] frankl: We need some aditional questions regarding performance.
(16:06:28) grahamperrin: (is this meeting time? :)
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[16:04] mdamboldt: Hi! Sorry for beeing late....
(16:06:37) lizm: Yes
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[16:04] frankl: Translation to Frensh has been provided by Sophie from the Community. Dutch maybe follow next week.
(16:06:45) frankl: I will publish it after the meeting and link it to the todo list.
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[16:05] frankl: I think we could have a final draft of the survey by Wednesday this week.
(16:06:53) grahamperrin: ty
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[16:05] mba hat den Chatroom betreten.
(16:08:19) Andreas___: anyone here who wants to continiously track and analyze that data?
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[16:05] Andreas__: @Martin: you want to continue?
(16:09:06) clu_sun: maybe the mailing list is a better area to ask such things ..
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[16:05] frankl: Then present translations have to be updated until end of this week before we could release the survey.
(16:09:50) clu_sun: .. you have much more community participants ;)
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[16:06] mdamboldt: Andreas: I would be glad if you would go ahead.
(16:09:51) lizm: I agree that it should be asked on the mailing list
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[16:06] Andreas__: ok
(16:11:25) clu_sun: .. do we have anything like a todo area?
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[16:07] Andreas__: so let's try to fix the survey by the end of this week
(16:12:01) lizm: Do you mean on the wiki?
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[16:07] Andreas__: that would be great
(16:12:41) clu_sun: i mean in the renaissance project in general
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[16:07] Andreas__: anything else to add to this item?
(16:13:08) clu_sun: could be a wiki page ..
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[16:08] frankl: Not from my side.
(16:13:51) Andreas___: check out the renaissance wiki page, there is a road map and a list if action items
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[16:08] Andreas__: ok. next item is Usage tracking in 3.1
(16:14:14) lizm: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance
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[16:08] lizm: In Progress. I spoke with Kay in marketing about it and he said there are many things the text has to cover (addressing users' fears, explaining the functionality, etc), so he and I are working on the text together now.
(16:14:19) Andreas___: thx liz
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[16:09] Andreas__: very nice, due date?
(16:14:36) clu_sun: sure ..
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[16:09] Andreas__: i think this action item is not on the list yet?
(16:14:52) lizm: The Action Items are there, but there could be extra to dos under "Get involved"
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[16:09] lizm: I didn't discuss one with him
(16:15:41) lizm: The "up for grabs" tasks could be listed there and when someone takes charge, then they could go into the Action Items, or is that wierd?
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[16:09] lizm: I said asap
(16:16:32) clu_sun: .. not sure, but as the participation ist that low
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[16:09] lizm: but that isn't very exact is it.
(16:16:50) lizm: Or maybe there should be a To Dos heading directly under "How You Can Help"
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[16:10] Andreas__: as soon as it's done before release of 3.1
(16:16:51) frankl: I think one list of AI is enough.
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[16:10] Andreas__: then it's fine I guess
(16:17:04) lizm: But are the AIs just from the meetings?
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[16:10] lizm: But it is on the list in the Feb 2 minutes
(16:17:33) frankl: They are _the_ project AI I think.
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[16:10] Andreas__: I mean I don't see in on the Project Action Items
(16:18:02) lizm: We could have "open" AIs, but then how do people know they can just offer to take them on?
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[16:11] Andreas__: in the wiki, we should put it in there
(16:18:38) lizm: -->grahamperrin: what do you think would work best?
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[16:11] lizm: That's true
(16:18:40) mdamboldt: Lets stay with one list and mark them what ever you think would fit best to mark them as "nobody working on it yet".
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[16:11] Andreas__: ok, back to status of Usage Tracking
(16:19:13) ***grahamperrin scrolls up (only half-here; on work time)
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[16:12] Andreas__: it will appear in 3.1, however with some limitations, keyboard support will be missing
(16:19:32) frankl: mdambolt: Next AI?
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[16:12] Andreas__: that is something for later releases
(16:20:09) mdamboldt: Next Agenda Item:  Communicating about and promoting of the Usage Feedback functionality in 3.1
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[16:12] Andreas__: any comments to this one?
(16:20:43) Andreas___: Jaron suggested that we include marketing to promote the functionality
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[16:12] mdamboldt: Andreas__: What exactly means "keyboard support will be missing"? We don't log any keyboard events?
(16:20:51) Andreas___: so I thought we might discuss it here
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[16:13] Andreas__: exactly
(16:21:18) mdamboldt: Andreas: I don't see any marketing people around here.....
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[16:13] lizm: Only eye tracking  ha ha
(16:21:22) Andreas___: we need a positive promotion for that functionality. it is vital for the project
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[16:13] Andreas__: as far as I got it right, currently only mouse event in toolbars and menus are tracked
(16:21:34) mdamboldt: I know that Kay Koll is working on something related....
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[16:13] Andreas__: less than optimal, but it works
(16:21:39) Andreas___: ok
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[16:13] Andreas__: a good start, i gues
(16:21:46) lizm: Chris-j isn't here today, but I thought he mentioned that Stefan Taxhet was asked to help. Anyone know?
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[16:14] lizm: better than nothing and a very good start
(16:21:48) mdamboldt: But I don't know the status....
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[16:14] Andreas__: exactly
(16:22:17) Andreas___: didn't hear about Stephan
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[16:15] Andreas__: 3. Ethnographic reseach
(16:22:27) lizm: Maybe it didn't happen
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[16:15] mdamboldt: Andreas__: So if a user press "Ctrl-S" to save a document we wont record that?
(16:22:51) mdamboldt: From technical point of view I'm not sure but I think starting with one of the next developer snapshot builds, the Usage Tracking is part of it.
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[16:15] Andreas__: no
(16:23:07) lizm: maybe we need to get a text out to John and Florian as a suggestion and ask them to fine tune it in the marketing group
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[16:15] Andreas__: I know it's bad, but that's the current status
(16:23:42) grahamperrin: (Re: Project Action Items) I'll await the log of this chat then post to ui@ux
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[16:15] Andreas__: 3.1.1 should include that then
(16:24:20) Andreas___: we already post the log into the wiki, don't we Martin?
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[16:16] clu_sun: keyboard tracking without tracking sensitive data like passwords sounds difficult ..
(16:24:38) Andreas___: but however, you might send a link around
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[16:16] mba: mdamboldt: I'm not sure that this is true
(16:24:51) lizm: I could try to coin a text, but tell me what you want in it, e.g. Please enable this extension! We all will profit from your feedback. ->grahamperrin: that's fine.
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[16:17] Andreas__: that's at least the status from the last meating I was in last week
(16:25:08) mdamboldt: Btw. I just conformed that the firs 3.1 build with the Usage Tracking included should be live on download servers by end of this week / beginning of next week.
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[16:18] Andreas__: @mba: you have different news?
(16:25:41) mdamboldt: Andreas: Yes we send the login to wiki and post a link on alias.
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[16:18] mba: We will not track the keyboard event (that doesn't make sense in e.g. a word processor), but it's possible that we track the execution of the accelerator (at least we should, I'm currently checking)
(16:26:28) lizm: So should we contact John and Florian with a text suggestion and ask them to get the message out, (OOo website, mailing lists)? Is that what they would do for us or should we do it on our own?
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[16:18] mdamboldt: All: Just talked to Bjoern by phone and he will double check this, too.  
(16:26:41) mdamboldt: lizm: Just to make sure about correct wording. The Usage Tracking is now an integrated part of the product. So I wouldn't call it Extension anymore.
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[16:19] Andreas__: ok
(16:26:59) lizm: Oops, you're right. I forgot. Thx!
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[16:19] lizm: BTW: Who updates the project AI list? Do I have to put my AI there or is it Martin? I don't care either way, just so we know the handling in general.
(16:27:17) lizm: See why someone else has to help me with the text ;-)
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[16:20] Andreas__: martin usually handles that, right? but we're responsible for status updates
(16:28:00) ***grahamperrin seeks an agenda at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings:2009-02-01
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[16:20] mdamboldt: lizm: I started initially to have one location for everything. Feel free to add stuff discussed.
(16:28:14) lizm: I'll take it on as an AI as long as I can count on getting help with the text. I'll make something up as a first draft and send it to the list and we'll go from there, ok?
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[16:20] Andreas__: ok, next item is Ethnographic research
(16:28:36) Andreas___: ok
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[16:22] Andreas__: no progress here so far, I am currently too busy with the surveys
(16:29:17) mdamboldt: Any other updates for today? For example the new user survey and the localization of it. Is it going fine? I mean is it on track?
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[16:22] Andreas__: we'll have to see how we could manage to do that at all
(16:29:29) Andreas___: here you go Graham: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings
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[16:23] lizm: Thanks mdamboldt.BTW, I'm glad to have more exact info on the usage tracking so I can have it in the marketing text correctly. So it is good that mba and martin are checking this now.
(16:29:42) frankl: 95% of the new new survey has been translated into English (thanks to Liz(m)!). I have to revise some questions before going live with that draft hopefully tomorrow. Then the community has time to give feedback and organize further translations. A Spanish translation is already in the works.
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[16:23] Andreas__: you also have nothing new on that topics, martin, right?
(16:30:02) mdamboldt: Great!
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[16:23] mdamboldt: Correct
(16:30:08) Andreas___: update from IsoMetrics-L
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[16:24] Andreas__: by the way. I posted a link to the discuss list last Friday. It's a video tutorial about Mental Models from Indie Yound. Anyone who's interested in qualitative research should watch that one. Very good!
(16:30:12) grahamperrin: Andreas___:  thanks
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[16:25] Andreas__: any comments to this aItem?
(16:30:40) Andreas___: the survey is running, first results are available but not that promissing due to little written feedback
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[16:26] mdamboldt: I haven't watched the vieo yet.
(16:31:00) Andreas___: however, I'll wait till it's complete
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[16:26] lizm: about an hour long, right Andreas?
(16:32:06) mdamboldt: Ok.
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[16:26] Andreas__: it's about 60 minutes long, a real lecture
(16:32:20) mdamboldt: Other items?
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[16:26] Andreas__: right liz
(16:32:37) lizm: not from me
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[16:27] Andreas__: so anyone who's interested in contributing qualitative data, might learn how it's done from that video
(16:32:44) Andreas___: me neither
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[16:28] Andreas__: so next item then
(16:33:47) frankl: We had the monthly review for project r on Friday last week.
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[16:28] lizm: ->mdamboldt and mba: any further news on usage tracking right now or can you mail me later
(16:34:35) frankl: We will blog about this today on our UX blog. Will send the url to the UI list.
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[16:29] Andreas__: competitive analysis
(16:35:01) lizm: Great idea Frank
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[16:29] Andreas__: needs a new owner since bettina is busy with other things/projects
(16:35:20) Andreas___: now i got one
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[16:29] Andreas__: any volunteers?
(16:35:21) chris-j [n=chris-j@wlan-sun.staroffice.de] entered the room.
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[16:30] frankl: I propose to make a CA when going into details.
(16:35:21) mode (+o chris-j ) by ChanServ
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[16:31] Andreas__: ok
(16:35:21) Andreas___: :-)
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[16:32] Andreas__: the rest of aItems is open but the last
(16:35:37) Andreas___: I updated the IsoMetrics-S results on the wiki
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[16:32] Andreas__: IsoMetrics-L is currently running in Florida
(16:35:37) mdamboldt: Ok. Sounds thats all for today.
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[16:33] Andreas__: have 7 respods so far, results are mixed and to few people comments on the problems they have with OOo
(16:35:45) Andreas___: now this part is finishded
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[16:33] Andreas__: might be due to different reasons: motivation, survey questions, effort etc....
(16:35:51) mdamboldt: bye
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[16:33] Andreas__: I will wait two weeks more and then see what we have
(16:36:10) lizm: ->Chris-j did you have something for today?
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[16:34] Andreas__: not so cool is also the fact that the context in that case is not really clear/known
(16:37:09) chris-j: No.... I'd just want to "see" you all.
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[16:35] Andreas__: however, those who did give feedback contributed very interesting information
(16:37:38) lizm: that's sweet of you ;-) I took on the AI to come up with a
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[16:35] Andreas__: particularly problems with styles, but I need to dig deeper here
(16:37:55) lizm: text for usage tracking marketing, see above
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[16:37] Andreas__: when that survey is finished, IsoMetrics-L will be rolled out Sun-Wide. I hope that will result in more written feedback and a better understanding of the context OOo is used
(16:38:33) lizm: If you'd rather do it, I don't mind. I know it is your baby.
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[16:37] Andreas__: so, I guess we're through with action items
(16:40:20) chris-j: Take it :-)
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[16:38] Andreas__: round table
(16:40:33) lizm: aren't you generous. ;-)
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[16:38] mdamboldt: I've nothing to raise today.
(16:41:09) grahamperrin: chris-j: as operator could you add to the /topic    http://ux.openoffice.org/
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[16:38] lizm: Maybe I'll find the time to review more of the IsoM-L questions before the Sun survey goes out. They may be hampering the participants.
(16:41:13) lizm: I guess this meeting is over then. Martin is already gone. Thanks, everyone for coming! Loved the food!
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[16:39] Andreas__: that would be great liz!
(16:41:28) clu_sun left the room (quit: "Leaving").
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[16:39] Andreas__: I really think that it's necessary
(16:41:29) lizm: We'll need more drinks next time ;-)
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[16:39] Andreas__: however, if you're finished by end of February, that's OK!
(16:41:35) grahamperrin: :)
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[16:40] lizm: It is just sooooo long. Ok, end of Feb is a good target
(16:42:05) lizm: Graham is going to bring port, I hope. ;-)
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[16:40] Andreas__: thanks!
(16:42:10) mdamboldt: grahamperrin: You mean adding to agenda? Sure.
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[16:41] lizm: are we done
(16:42:21) grahamperrin: lizm: well remembered
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[16:41] Andreas__: i guess so
(16:42:25) lizm: :-)
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[16:41] Andreas__: anyone, any comments?
(16:42:51) grahamperrin: mdamboldt: nope, for chris-j as current operator in this channel to set a topic so that visitors can find context
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[16:42] mdamboldt: no
(16:43:45) frankl: Bye
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[16:42] lizm: bye!
(16:43:46) mdamboldt: got it
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[16:42] mdamboldt: bye
(16:43:53) grahamperrin: bye all
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[16:42] Andreas__: bye liz
(16:43:56) ***grahamperrin lurks
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[16:42] lizm hat den Chatroom verlassen. ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008071712]")
(16:44:07) Andreas___: bye bye
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[16:43] Andreas__: ok then, talk to you next week!
(16:44:13) Andreas___ left the room (quit: ).
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[16:43] frankl: bye!
(16:44:21) lizm: see ya!
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Action Items

Date Description Owner Status
2009-01-19/1 ODF document analyzer Andreas Stalled
2009-01-19/2 User survey 2009 Frank In progress
2009-02-02/1 Usage Tracking marketing text lizm In progress
2009-01-19/3 User Tracking Functionality Andreas In progress
2009-02-02/2 IsoMetrics-L in Florida Andreas In progress
2009-01-19/4 Compatitive Analysis Frank In progress
2009-01-19/5 Ethnographic research Andreas In progress

Comments on Action Items

2009-01-19/1: Still looking for contributions

2009-01-19/2: Should be ready by the end of this week

2009-02-02/1: Liz is preparing text with Kay Koll

2009-01-19/3: We need to clarify status of keyboard tracking

2009-02-02/3: So far not a lot of feedback, context is vague

2009-01-19/4: Frank is taking over the action item

2009-01-19/5: No time yet

IRC Log

[15:54] clu_sun: moin, where i can find the agenda for today?
[15:56] Andreas__: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings:2009-02-09
[15:56] Andreas__: but its empty
[15:56] Andreas__: no items today
[15:56] Andreas__: at leat no specific items
[15:57] clu_sun: ok
[15:58] lizm: Where is martin?
[15:59] lizm: Should we just go ahead?
[15:59] Andreas__: Martin is busy today, he asked me to go through the items
[15:59] lizm: ok
[16:00] Andreas__: we should probably start in a minute
[16:00] Andreas__: ok, now 
[16:00] frankl: Ok
[16:00] Andreas__: so, let's go through the action items
[16:01] Andreas__: ODF analyzer
[16:01] Andreas__: I did continue a bit last friday
[16:01] Andreas__: however, did not have a lot of time to do much, still looking for contributions
[16:02] Andreas__: i contacted Svante for some help, but he's on leave currently and could not respond
[16:02] Andreas__: at least not that much
[16:02] Andreas__: so, not a lot is happening with this aItem
[16:02] Andreas__: 2. User survey 2
[16:02] Andreas__: what's up Frank?
[16:03] frankl: We had more input than expected after reeasing the draft to the community last week.
[16:03] frankl: We need some aditional questions regarding performance.
[16:04] mdamboldt: Hi! Sorry for beeing late....
[16:04] frankl: Translation to Frensh has been provided by Sophie from the Community. Dutch maybe follow next week.
[16:05] frankl: I think we could have a final draft of the survey by Wednesday this week.
[16:05] mba hat den Chatroom betreten.
[16:05] Andreas__: @Martin: you want to continue?
[16:05] frankl: Then present translations have to be updated until end of this week before we could release the survey.
[16:06] mdamboldt: Andreas: I would be glad if you would go ahead.
[16:06] Andreas__: ok
[16:07] Andreas__: so let's try to fix the survey by the end of this week
[16:07] Andreas__: that would be great
[16:07] Andreas__: anything else to add to this item?
[16:08] frankl: Not from my side.
[16:08] Andreas__: ok. next item is Usage tracking in 3.1
[16:08] lizm: In Progress. I spoke with Kay in marketing about it and he said there are many things the text has to cover (addressing users' fears, explaining the functionality, etc), so he and I are working on the text together now.
[16:09] Andreas__: very nice, due date?
[16:09] Andreas__: i think this action item is not on the list yet?
[16:09] lizm: I didn't discuss one with him
[16:09] lizm: I said asap
[16:09] lizm: but that isn't very exact is it.
[16:10] Andreas__: as soon as it's done before release of 3.1
[16:10] Andreas__: then it's fine I guess
[16:10] lizm: But it is on the list in the Feb 2 minutes
[16:10] Andreas__: I mean I don't see in on the Project Action Items
[16:11] Andreas__: in the wiki, we should put it in there
[16:11] lizm: That's true
[16:11] Andreas__: ok, back to status of Usage Tracking
[16:12] Andreas__: it will appear in 3.1, however with some limitations, keyboard support will be missing
[16:12] Andreas__: that is something for later releases
[16:12] Andreas__: any comments to this one?
[16:12] mdamboldt: Andreas__: What exactly means "keyboard support will be missing"? We don't log any keyboard events?
[16:13] Andreas__: exactly
[16:13] lizm: Only eye tracking  ha ha
[16:13] Andreas__: as far as I got it right, currently only mouse event in toolbars and menus are tracked
[16:13] Andreas__: less than optimal, but it works
[16:13] Andreas__: a good start, i gues
[16:14] lizm: better than nothing and a very good start
[16:14] Andreas__: exactly
[16:15] Andreas__: 3. Ethnographic reseach
[16:15] mdamboldt: Andreas__: So if a user press "Ctrl-S" to save a document we wont record that?
[16:15] Andreas__: no 
[16:15] Andreas__: I know it's bad, but that's the current status
[16:15] Andreas__: 3.1.1 should include that then
[16:16] clu_sun: keyboard tracking without tracking sensitive data like passwords sounds difficult ..
[16:16] mba: mdamboldt: I'm not sure that this is true
[16:17] Andreas__: that's at least the status from the last meating I was in last week
[16:18] Andreas__: @mba: you have different news?
[16:18] mba: We will not track the keyboard event (that doesn't make sense in e.g. a word processor), but it's possible that we track the execution of the accelerator (at least we should, I'm currently checking)
[16:18] mdamboldt: All: Just talked to Bjoern by phone and he will double check this, too. 
[16:19] Andreas__: ok
[16:19] lizm: BTW: Who updates the project AI list? Do I have to put my AI there or is it Martin? I don't care either way, just so we know the handling in general.
[16:20] Andreas__: martin usually handles that, right? but we're responsible for status updates
[16:20] mdamboldt: lizm: I started initially to have one location for everything. Feel free to add stuff discussed.
[16:20] Andreas__: ok, next item is Ethnographic research
[16:22] Andreas__: no progress here so far, I am currently too busy with the surveys
[16:22] Andreas__: we'll have to see how we could manage to do that at all
[16:23] lizm: Thanks mdamboldt.BTW, I'm glad to have more exact info on the usage tracking so I can have it in the marketing text correctly. So it is good that mba and martin are checking this now.
[16:23] Andreas__: you also have nothing new on that topics, martin, right?
[16:23] mdamboldt: Correct
[16:24] Andreas__: by the way. I posted a link to the discuss list last Friday. It's a video tutorial about Mental Models from Indie Yound. Anyone who's interested in qualitative research should watch that one. Very good!
[16:25] Andreas__: any comments to this aItem?
[16:26] mdamboldt: I haven't watched the vieo yet.
[16:26] lizm: about an hour long, right Andreas?
[16:26] Andreas__: it's about 60 minutes long, a real lecture 
[16:26] Andreas__: right liz
[16:27] Andreas__: so anyone who's interested in contributing qualitative data, might learn how it's done from that video
[16:28] Andreas__: so next item then
[16:28] lizm: ->mdamboldt and mba: any further news on usage tracking right now or can you mail me later
[16:29] Andreas__: competitive analysis
[16:29] Andreas__: needs a new owner since bettina is busy with other things/projects
[16:29] Andreas__: any volunteers?
[16:30] frankl: I propose to make a CA when going into details.
[16:31] Andreas__: ok
[16:32] Andreas__: the rest of aItems is open but the last
[16:32] Andreas__: IsoMetrics-L is currently running in Florida
[16:33] Andreas__: have 7 respods so far, results are mixed and to few people comments on the problems they have with OOo
[16:33] Andreas__: might be due to different reasons: motivation, survey questions, effort etc....
[16:33] Andreas__: I will wait two weeks more and then see what we have
[16:34] Andreas__: not so cool is also the fact that the context in that case is not really clear/known
[16:35] Andreas__: however, those who did give feedback contributed very interesting information
[16:35] Andreas__: particularly problems with styles, but I need to dig deeper here
[16:37] Andreas__: when that survey is finished, IsoMetrics-L will be rolled out Sun-Wide. I hope that will result in more written feedback and a better understanding of the context OOo is used
[16:37] Andreas__: so, I guess we're through with action items
[16:38] Andreas__: round table
[16:38] mdamboldt: I've nothing to raise today.
[16:38] lizm: Maybe I'll find the time to review more of the IsoM-L questions before the Sun survey goes out. They may be hampering the participants. 
[16:39] Andreas__: that would be great liz!
[16:39] Andreas__: I really think that it's necessary
[16:39] Andreas__: however, if you're finished by end of February, that's OK!
[16:40] lizm: It is just sooooo long. Ok, end of Feb is a good target
[16:40] Andreas__: thanks!
[16:41] lizm: are we done
[16:41] Andreas__: i guess so
[16:41] Andreas__: anyone, any comments?
[16:42] mdamboldt: no
[16:42] lizm: bye!
[16:42] mdamboldt: bye
[16:42] Andreas__: bye liz
[16:42] lizm hat den Chatroom verlassen. ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008071712]")
[16:43] Andreas__: ok then, talk to you next week!
[16:43] frankl: bye!
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