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− | == 2009-10-14 OpenOffice.org Printing Terminology in General == | + | == 2009-10-14 OpenOffice.org Printing Terminology in General == |
− | The improved printing capabilities will lead to an improved functionality which has to be named somehow. Unfortunately, the inconsistency of some previous terms make it hard to differentiate the new functionality. More worse, our users might not be able to understand both new and existing functionality. Thus, this section will discuss the existing and some new terminology with regard to printing. | + | The improved printing capabilities will lead to an improved functionality which has to be named somehow. Unfortunately, the inconsistency of some previous terms make it hard to differentiate the new functionality. More worse, our users might not be able to understand both new and existing functionality. Thus, this section will discuss the existing and some new terminology with regard to printing. |
− | Note: This section is a "discussion space" until a solution is finally summarized and will be proposed for implementation. The other string reviews are independent from the discussion taking place here. | + | '''Example:''' In Calc, we can add "Print Ranges" for one or more "Sheets". Then, we print the document with "Range: All Sheets" and "Withing Range: All Pages". To help the environment, we change the setting "Pages per Sheet" in the tab "Page Layout". Did you get it? :-) |
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+ | '''Note:''' This section is a "discussion space" until a solution is finally summarized and will be proposed for implementation. The other string reviews are independent from the discussion taking place here. | ||
=== Discussion === | === Discussion === | ||
− | + | The following discussion has been started with Liz in a private conversion. The rest of the discussion is meant to be continued here.<br> | |
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− | ! Source | + | ! scope="col" | Source<br> |
− | ! Current Status | + | ! scope="col" | Current Status<br> |
− | ! | + | ! scope="col" | Current Terminology<br> |
− | ! Questions and Replies | + | ! scope="col" | Proposed Terminology<br> |
+ | ! scope="col" | Description<br> | ||
+ | ! scope="col" | Issues, Questions and Replies<br> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | (new)<br> | ||
+ | | Print Preview<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | A preview of what the document will look like when printed out. Therefore this preview should take as much as available print options into account. The print preview is given in the print dialog and therefore complements the page preview available in the file menu in some applications. | ||
+ | |||
+ | | | ||
+ | *No issues. Although very similar to „Page Preview“, the name „Print Preview“ does not show up in the UI. Maybe it will be used in the application help. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Print Preview (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Page<br> | ||
+ | | (unchanged)<br> | ||
+ | | Refers to the document page being worked on.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: It is used at several places to refer to the document page, e.g. Page Preview or Format - Page. Thus, the use of page and sheet (in other places) might appear unintentional for the user. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Keep current terminology. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Page Preview<br> | ||
+ | | (unchanged)<br> | ||
+ | | Refers to the preview of document pages to be called in the File menu.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *No issues. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Keep current terminology. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Print Range<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *[Draw, Impress] Printable Range | ||
+ | *[Calc] (Unchanged) | ||
+ | |||
+ | | | ||
+ | *[Draw, Impress] The print range refers to the area the printer is physically capable to print on. It might be smaller than the physical paper sheet size. | ||
+ | *[Calc] The print rages refers to one or more cell ranges which should be considered for printing. The functionality is available at Page - Print Ranges.<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: Especially in Calc, the user might misunderstand the descriptions. „Print Ranges“ are subsets on sheets, whereas „Sheets“ are subsets of the „Range“. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Change the terminology to "Printable Range" in Draw/Impress. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *OK, Printable Range is better, but why is this not also in Calc? (EM, 2009-10-14)<br> | ||
+ | *@EM: Sorry, I forgot to add the description for Calc. Now added... (CN, 2009-10-18)<br> | ||
+ | *Sidenote: There is an intensive discussion on the "Print Ranges" functionality on ux-discuss. The main competitor currently calls it "Print Area". (CN, 2009-10-18)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Printer Settings...<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Print Settings ...<br> | ||
+ | *Print Options... | ||
+ | |||
+ | | Menu entry to call the window in which both printer properties and print options are available.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: The print options do refer to the document, therefore it should be called „print“ instead of „printer“ settings. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: "Print Settings..." or "Print Options..." (CN, 2009-10-13) | ||
+ | *OK, so get rid of „Printer Settings“ here and leave „Print Options“. But remember the Dialog title has to be the same or at least very similar to the menu item(s) that calls it. (EM, 2009-10-14)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Printer Setup<br> | ||
+ | | Print Settings<br> | ||
+ | | Window title for the dialog being called via File – Print Settings...<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *The issue {{Bug|31203}} describes the difference between printer settings and printer setup.<br> | ||
+ | *Good. Fits our rule for title and menu match. (EM, 2009-10-14)<br><br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Properties...<br> | ||
+ | | (unchanged)<br> | ||
+ | | The naming for the printer properties which are currently set in a separate dialog (Windows, Linux).<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Proposal: Keep current terminology. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Range<br> | ||
+ | | <br> | ||
+ | | Range is used in the print dialog and refers to the range of pages/sheets/slides to be printed.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: Range might be messed up with the current „Print Range“. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *I do not understand why there are two concepts of range. Maybe I haven't looked at the material closely enough, but I am confused: A range in the context of printin gis by definition „the range of contents within the document from a starting point to a stopping point that I want to print.“ Why is there a „Within range“ (prev „Thereof print“) at all? To keep the concept pure and the dialog understandable wouldn't it be better to just have the user choose separate print ranges in separate printouts actions? Or was this a case that Regina explained as necessary? (EM, 2009-10-14)<br> | ||
+ | *@EM: Calc is special case. It is (work)sheet based and not page based, so it first collects all pages based on all/selected sheets. Then you can define a range based on these pages. This has been a requirement for the Calc print overhaul some time ago (which FL supported).<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Selection<br> | ||
+ | | (unchanged)<br> | ||
+ | | A selection of text, cells or drawing objects which shall be printed.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *No issues. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Keep current terminology. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Sheet<br> | ||
+ | | (unchanged)<br> | ||
+ | | Sheet refers to the physical paper sheet it is printed on. Example: Four document pages can be printed on one physical sheet.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: Sheet refers to both a „(work)sheet“ in Calc and „sheet of paper“ for printing. Especially in Calc it is misleading, since the „Range“ is set in „sheets“ and N-up printing also refers to „(pages per) sheet“. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Problem: But, we don't have the space in the new printerpullpages dialog for using „paper sheet“. The space of the dialog is restricted because of the use on Netbook screens :-( So I also thought of adapting the contents of the corresponding drop-down field for "pages per sheet" - but I don't have a good idea for that. Again :-(<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Keep current terminology. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *„physical sheet“ = „sheet of paper“ („paper sheet“ = „Bettlaken aus Papier“) maybe this could be used in some dialogs to increase clarity? i.e. „(pages per) sheet of paper“ or „printed page“ There must be room for longer wording or there will not be room for the loclizations which are almost always longer than English. (EM, 2009-10-14)<br> | ||
+ | *@EM: You are right concerning the other languages. But even with the advanced terminology, the problem will get more worse in other languages. So what about to define "Physical Sheet" and to ''decide'' to be less accurate in the dialog? The reason is, that the tab page "Page Layout" is present on some operating systems, only (see entry for "Page Layout" below). The "Sheet of Paper" seems to be a bit problematic when used in context (e.g. "Pages per Sheet of Paper"). However, both "Physical" and "...of Paper" miss the requirements for PDF export / printing. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | Undecided<br> | ||
+ | | Page Layout<br> | ||
+ | | (unchanged)<br> | ||
+ | | The tab page „Page Layout“ provide options how to place pages on sheets or to select which pages shall be printed.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: The items on the tab page „Page Layout“ are both related to „Pages“ and „Sheets“. It is a "sub-issue" of the sheets vs. pages discussion. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Problem: It should be called „Sheet Layout“, because it refers to the physical sheet of paper. But I think that „Page Layout“ is well known... (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Keep current terminology. (CN, 2009-10-13)<br> | ||
+ | *Leave it as is. In a wider, more colloquial definition, „page“ can also refer to a „page of paper“. (EM, 2009-10-14)<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Christoph<br> | ||
+ | | New<br> | ||
+ | | (Printer Information)<br> | ||
+ | | Printer Details<br> | ||
+ | | The detailed information on the printer, e.g. status, location and comment.<br> | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | *Issue: The current printer details (e.g. name, location, status) don't show up in the UI, but "Printer Information" is used in the application help. Currently we use "Printer Details", but this may not make clear that it is referred to "read-only" information. What kind of terminology might be better? (CN, 2009-10-18)<br> | ||
+ | *Proposal: Printer Details (CN, 2009-10-18) | ||
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Revision as of 13:08, 18 October 2009
This page is part of the CWS printerpullpages. It is meant for the string reviews and discussions with regard to terminology and translation.
Contents
2009-10-14 OpenOffice.org Printing Terminology in General
The improved printing capabilities will lead to an improved functionality which has to be named somehow. Unfortunately, the inconsistency of some previous terms make it hard to differentiate the new functionality. More worse, our users might not be able to understand both new and existing functionality. Thus, this section will discuss the existing and some new terminology with regard to printing.
Example: In Calc, we can add "Print Ranges" for one or more "Sheets". Then, we print the document with "Range: All Sheets" and "Withing Range: All Pages". To help the environment, we change the setting "Pages per Sheet" in the tab "Page Layout". Did you get it? :-)
Note: This section is a "discussion space" until a solution is finally summarized and will be proposed for implementation. The other string reviews are independent from the discussion taking place here.
Discussion
The following discussion has been started with Liz in a private conversion. The rest of the discussion is meant to be continued here.
Source |
Current Status |
Current Terminology |
Proposed Terminology |
Description |
Issues, Questions and Replies |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
(new) |
Print Preview |
A preview of what the document will look like when printed out. Therefore this preview should take as much as available print options into account. The print preview is given in the print dialog and therefore complements the page preview available in the file menu in some applications. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Page |
(unchanged) |
Refers to the document page being worked on. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Page Preview |
(unchanged) |
Refers to the preview of document pages to be called in the File menu. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Print Range |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Printer Settings... |
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Menu entry to call the window in which both printer properties and print options are available. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Printer Setup |
Print Settings |
Window title for the dialog being called via File – Print Settings... |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Properties... |
(unchanged) |
The naming for the printer properties which are currently set in a separate dialog (Windows, Linux). |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Range |
|
Range is used in the print dialog and refers to the range of pages/sheets/slides to be printed. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Selection |
(unchanged) |
A selection of text, cells or drawing objects which shall be printed. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Sheet |
(unchanged) |
Sheet refers to the physical paper sheet it is printed on. Example: Four document pages can be printed on one physical sheet. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Page Layout |
(unchanged) |
The tab page „Page Layout“ provide options how to place pages on sheets or to select which pages shall be printed. |
|
Christoph |
New |
(Printer Information) |
Printer Details |
The detailed information on the printer, e.g. status, location and comment. |
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Mockup
(if any...)
2009-08-25 String Review by Sophie (French Translation)
Sophie - one of the language team representatives - had been asked to have a look on the strings concerning potential translation issues. Although Philipp implemented basic layouting capabilities for the dialog, the given information is very valuable. Thank you so much, Sophie!
Comment by Sophie: I based my feedback on the current design mockup and Liz comments. Please keep in mind that it's based on FR strings which are not the longest (I think pt-BR is longer)
- Writer:
- General Tab : [Print to file...] button, FR language will need 25 characters to display the complete string, so the button has to be quite large
- Page Layout Tab : [Pages per sheet] string, FR language will need 18 characters to display the string, I fear that the space is to short to display the last characters (this is also on the other module Page Layout Tab).
- Impress / Draw: if Brochure printing is enabled, there is this string displayed at the bottom of the dialog: [Note: Disable brochure printing to change the size setting.] This string will request 77 characters in French and may be 2 rows.
- Calc: Page Layout Tab : [Left to right, then down] drop down list, this string will take 37 characters in French. But it should not be an issue as the drop down list is quite large.
2009-08-13 String Review by Liz (Formulation)
A string review of the English text has been made by Liz - thanks a lot! Additional proposals have been added to improve the meaning of several string. The current intermediate result has to be reviewed again. Until then, there won't be any updated mockup for "Current Design Mockup".
Discussion
Source | Current Status | Proposal | Questions and Replies |
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Liz | Kept | Proposal (optional) to change "Printer Details" to "Details" |
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Liz | Undecided | The sub-group name "Thereof print" seems to be an issue because of the mixture of nouns and verbs. Liz proposed "Withing the print range, print:". |
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Liz | Accepted | Proposal to change "Print Page Preview" to "Preview" |
EM->CN: I suggested "Preview" only, so I'm curious why you added "Print Preview" I thought we are just talking about the placeholder string in the dialog on the left where the preview will appear. Of course if this is a menu item that will be in contrast to Page Preview, then that is another story. |
Liz | Undecided | Proposal to change the group name "Print", since it is inconsistent with the rest of the dialog (verb vs. nouns). And it seems to be ambigious. |
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Liz | Accepted | Proposal to change button caption "Print to file..." to "Print to File...". |
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Liz | Undecided | Proposal to remove "right pages / left pages" from "Include, because it won't work for RTL text direction. |
EM->CN: OK, use the shorter string "Front sides (odd numbers)" and "Back sides (even numbers)" |
Mockup
The reviewed mockup including Liz' comments and additional markups to highlight the comments. Sorry for the quality, since I changed to a JPG to reduce its size.
String Review by the Community (Formulation)
Discussion
Everybody can join the discussion below...
Source | Current Status | Proposal | Questions and Replies |
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Christoph | New | Change "Add blank pages for page breaks" to "Add blank pages for page breaks automatically". From my point it isn't clear that only some page breaks are affected. Originally I had something like "for certain page breaks" which isn't clear enough. |
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Christoph, Jörg | New | Writer: Added/changed drop-down entries for Notes, since there was no proposal yet. The current proposals for "Notes" are:
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Regina, Christoph | New | Changed "Distribute on multiple pages" to "Distribute on multiple sheets", since we may better refer to "sheets" when thinking of physical paper sheets. A similar naming has been used on the "Page Layout" tab page. Unfortunately, this is different to the currently used string and also difficult to understand with regard to Calc (worksheet vs. paper sheet). And, in Impress there also is "Slides per page" for the handout printing. Personally, I'm fine with "...multiple pages" here, since we won't be able to provide a clean solution. Discussion on main printerpullpages talk page. |
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Regina | Accepted | Draw/Impress: Changed "Size: Tile pages" to "Size: Tile slides" for Impress. This has been a mistake. |
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Christoph | Undecided | Writer: Changed option "Graphics and diagrams" to "Pictures and drawings". "Pictures" improves consistency, the former "diagrams" has simply been wrong. |
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Regina 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Undecided | On Writer, Tab "Options" there is the checkbox "Reverse page order". It should be "Reverse paper sheet order". Reasons: The option is needed for manual duplex printing and is not only applied to normal print but also to brochure printing. In the latter case one paper sheet carries pages from start and from the end of the document and you do not want to alter this order, but the order of the paper sheet stack. For example, you print the front of the paper sheets with pages 16/1 14/3 12/5 10/7 with face down. Then the top empty back sheet it that with 10/7. Thereon the pages 8/9 must be printed, but normal print order would print pages 2/15 next. Therefore you must reverse the paper sheet order either for the front print or for the back print. |
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Regina 15:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Kept | The module specific tab has the title "Openoffice.org Calc", for example. I see no reason to put "Openoffice.org" in that place. I thought that the whole dialog is that dialog, which is independent of the operating system and depends only on the vendor. Therefore I would expect "OpenOffice.org" or "StarSuite" for example in the title bar of the whole dialog to distinguish the dialog from dialogs provided by the operating system. |
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Regina 15:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Accepted | On tab "Openoffice.org Impress" and "Openoffice.org Draw", section "Size". "Tile pages" is misleading because of the plural "pages". This feature repeats one slide/page on the paper sheet, if the slide/page is smaller than the paper sheet. The plural leads to the wrong assumption, the feature would do a kind of N-up, filling the paper sheet with slide/page 1,2,... till it is full. Proposal "For small slide/page tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page." or shorter "Tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page". In addition be careful to distinguish slide/page for Impress/Draw. |
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Mockup
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