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== String Review by the Community (Formulation) == | == String Review by the Community (Formulation) == | ||
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− | Everybody can join the discussion below... | + | Everybody can join the discussion below... |
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− | ! Source | + | ! Source |
− | ! Current Status | + | ! Current Status |
− | ! Proposal | + | ! Proposal |
! Questions and Replies | ! Questions and Replies | ||
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− | | Christoph | + | | Christoph |
− | | New | + | | New |
− | | Change "Add blank pages for page breaks" to "Add blank pages for page breaks automatically". From my point it isn't clear that only some page breaks are affected. Originally I had something like "for certain page breaks" which isn't clear enough. | + | | Change "Add blank pages for page breaks" to "Add blank pages for page breaks automatically". From my point it isn't clear that only some page breaks are affected. Originally I had something like "for certain page breaks" which isn't clear enough. |
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− | * | + | *@Liz: Does the added "automatically" improve the understandability? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * EM- | + | *EM->CN: Not really. We need to think this through more. (Aug 26) |
− | * '''@Liz''': Today I've learned that the pages are already there during the normal document editing, but usually "invisible" to the user - there is a discussion on [http://de.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=users&from=2272430&to=2272430&count=30&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 de-users, Thread "... Deaktivieren von Automatisch eingefuegte Leerseiten drucken..."]. The blank pages get counted (can be seen in the status bar) and shown in "facing pages" view mode. | + | *'''@Liz''': Today I've learned that the pages are already there during the normal document editing, but usually "invisible" to the user - there is a discussion on [http://de.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=users&from=2272430&to=2272430&count=30&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 de-users, Thread "... Deaktivieren von Automatisch eingefuegte Leerseiten drucken..."]. The blank pages get counted (can be seen in the status bar) and shown in "facing pages" view mode. |
− | ** Original formulation (OOo 3.1): "Print automatically inserted blank pages" | + | **Original formulation (OOo 3.1): "Print automatically inserted blank pages" |
− | ** Maybe better (just an idea for some brainstorming): "Print blank pages automatically inserted for book layout" | + | **Maybe better (just an idea for some brainstorming): "Print blank pages automatically inserted for book layout" |
− | ** If we find nothing really better, then I'm fine with the original formulation... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 19:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | + | **If we find nothing really better, then I'm fine with the original formulation... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 19:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC) |
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− | | Christoph, Jörg | + | | Christoph, Jörg |
− | | New | + | | New |
− | | Writer: Added/changed drop-down entries for Notes, since there was no proposal yet. The current proposals for "Notes" are: | + | | Writer: Added/changed drop-down entries for Notes, since there was no proposal yet. The current proposals for "Notes" are: |
− | * None (document only) | + | *None (document only) |
− | * Notes only | + | *Notes only |
− | * List at the end of document | + | *List at the end of document |
− | * List at end of page | + | *List at end of page |
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− | * @Liz: Okay? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | | |
− | * EM- | + | *@Liz: Okay? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * '''@Liz''': | + | *EM->CN: does "List at the end of document" make them into "end notes"? In both cases, you can't sometimes use the article and at other times not use it, so: List at the end of the document, List at the end of the page, but now it is really long. There is also the problem of "List" being ambiguous (N/V). I've got to think about this more to come up with a better solution. Maybe "move", or "place" or "put"? (Aug 26) |
− | ** Good point, no, there is no relation to "end notes" since it is some kind of meta data (reviewer notes) which are printed at the end of the document. The "end notes" are already part of the document. | + | *'''@Liz''': |
− | ** If we decide to go for some "descriptive" entry, then "place ..." looks fine to me | + | **Good point, no, there is no relation to "end notes" since it is some kind of meta data (reviewer notes) which are printed at the end of the document. The "end notes" are already part of the document. |
− | ** By the way, there is also an issue for that created by jsk at {{bug|104314}}. The original issue discussed different list box entries which were not part of the spec, nevertheless... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] | + | **If we decide to go for some "descriptive" entry, then "place ..." looks fine to me |
+ | **By the way, there is also an issue for that created by jsk at {{bug|104314}}. The original issue discussed different list box entries which were not part of the spec, nevertheless... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]]<br> | ||
+ | *'''Todo:''' The term "Notes" has been renamed to "Comments" in OOo 3.2. This has to be updated in the printing dialog. | ||
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− | | Regina, Christoph | + | | Regina, Christoph |
− | | New | + | | New |
− | | Changed "Distribute on multiple pages" to "Distribute on multiple sheets", since we may better refer to "sheets" when thinking of physical paper sheets. A similar naming has been used on the "Page Layout" tab page. Unfortunately, this is different to the currently used string and also difficult to understand with regard to Calc (worksheet vs. paper sheet). And, in Impress there also is "Slides per page" for the handout printing. Personally, I'm fine with "...multiple pages" here, since we won't be able to provide a clean solution. Discussion on main printerpullpages talk page. | + | | Changed "Distribute on multiple pages" to "Distribute on multiple sheets", since we may better refer to "sheets" when thinking of physical paper sheets. A similar naming has been used on the "Page Layout" tab page. Unfortunately, this is different to the currently used string and also difficult to understand with regard to Calc (worksheet vs. paper sheet). And, in Impress there also is "Slides per page" for the handout printing. Personally, I'm fine with "...multiple pages" here, since we won't be able to provide a clean solution. Discussion on main printerpullpages talk page. |
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− | * @Liz: What do you think? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *@Liz: What do you think? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * EM- | + | *EM->CN: Maybe...Distribute on multiple sheets of paper (Aug 26) |
− | * '''@Liz''': Is "Distribute on multiple paper sheets" sufficient? If yes, then we could use "paper sheets" in other places, too. | + | *'''@Liz''': Is "Distribute on multiple paper sheets" sufficient? If yes, then we could use "paper sheets" in other places, too. |
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− | | Regina | + | | Regina |
− | | Accepted | + | | Accepted |
− | | Draw/Impress: Changed "Size: Tile pages" to "Size: Tile slides" for Impress. This has been a mistake. | + | | Draw/Impress: Changed "Size: Tile pages" to "Size: Tile slides" for Impress. This has been a mistake. |
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− | * Should be okay without an additional review. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *Should be okay without an additional review. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * EM- | + | *EM->CN: Yup, OK. (Aug 26) |
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− | | Christoph | + | | Christoph |
− | | Undecided | + | | Undecided |
− | | Writer: Changed option "Graphics and diagrams" to "Pictures and drawings". "Pictures" improves consistency, the former "diagrams" has simply been wrong. | + | | Writer: Changed option "Graphics and diagrams" to "Pictures and drawings". "Pictures" improves consistency, the former "diagrams" has simply been wrong. |
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− | * | + | *@Liz: Okay? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * EM- | + | *EM->CN: good improvement (Aug 26) |
− | * '''Todo''': Changed back to "undecided", since the current term "pictures" does also refer to all kinds of OLE objects - not only inserted pictures. More info in {{bug|104312}}. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 19:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *'''Todo''': Changed back to "undecided", since the current term "pictures" does also refer to all kinds of OLE objects - not only inserted pictures. More info in {{bug|104312}}. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 19:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC) |
+ | *'''@Liz''': Does it make sense to add something like "OLE", or "embedded object", or "object" to the string? Or is this too technical?--[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 15:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)<br> | ||
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− | | [[User:Regina|Regina]] 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | + | | [[User:Regina|Regina]] 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | | Undecided | + | | Undecided |
− | | On Writer, Tab "Options" there is the checkbox "Reverse page order". It should be "Reverse paper sheet order". Reasons: The option is needed for manual duplex printing and is not only applied to normal print but also to brochure printing. In the latter case one paper sheet carries pages from start and from the end of the document and you do not want to alter this order, but the order of the paper sheet stack. For example, you print the front of the paper sheets with pages 16/1 14/3 12/5 10/7 with face down. Then the top empty back sheet it that with 10/7. Thereon the pages 8/9 must be printed, but normal print order would print pages 2/15 next. Therefore you must reverse the paper sheet order either for the front print or for the back print. | + | | On Writer, Tab "Options" there is the checkbox "Reverse page order". It should be "Reverse paper sheet order". Reasons: The option is needed for manual duplex printing and is not only applied to normal print but also to brochure printing. In the latter case one paper sheet carries pages from start and from the end of the document and you do not want to alter this order, but the order of the paper sheet stack. For example, you print the front of the paper sheets with pages 16/1 14/3 12/5 10/7 with face down. Then the top empty back sheet it that with 10/7. Thereon the pages 8/9 must be printed, but normal print order would print pages 2/15 next. Therefore you must reverse the paper sheet order either for the front print or for the back print. |
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− | * | + | *@Regina: Currently the name states what it does - it only reverses the sheet order. If this is not desired, then the "logic" has to be changed to match the expectations. I have created an issue at {{bug|104662}} to discuss that. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 19:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC) |
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− | | [[User:Regina|Regina]] 15:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | + | | [[User:Regina|Regina]] 15:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | | Kept | + | | Kept |
− | | The module specific tab has the title "Openoffice.org Calc", for example. I see no reason to put "Openoffice.org" in that place. I thought that the whole dialog is that dialog, which is independent of the operating system and depends only on the vendor. Therefore I would expect "OpenOffice.org" or "StarSuite" for example in the title bar of the whole dialog to distinguish the dialog from dialogs provided by the operating system. | + | | The module specific tab has the title "Openoffice.org Calc", for example. I see no reason to put "Openoffice.org" in that place. I thought that the whole dialog is that dialog, which is independent of the operating system and depends only on the vendor. Therefore I would expect "OpenOffice.org" or "StarSuite" for example in the title bar of the whole dialog to distinguish the dialog from dialogs provided by the operating system. |
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− | * | + | *@Regina: The reason for that name is given on the printerpullpages main wiki page. We did go for that since the document type like "Presentation" could be misleading, so we went for the application name. There has been a decision some years ago to use the full name to better separate the applications (e.g. title bar, options dialog). An other alternative could be to use a generic name like "Document", but then the users may not notice the very different content among the applications. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 16:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC) |
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− | | [[User:Regina|Regina]] 15:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | + | | [[User:Regina|Regina]] 15:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | | Accepted | + | | Accepted |
− | | On tab "Openoffice.org Impress" and "Openoffice.org Draw", section "Size". "Tile pages" is misleading because of the plural "pages". This feature repeats one slide/page on the paper sheet, if the slide/page is smaller than the paper sheet. The plural leads to the wrong assumption, the feature would do a kind of N-up, filling the paper sheet with slide/page 1,2,... till it is full. Proposal "For small slide/page tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page." or shorter "Tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page". In addition be careful to distinguish slide/page for Impress/Draw. | + | | On tab "Openoffice.org Impress" and "Openoffice.org Draw", section "Size". "Tile pages" is misleading because of the plural "pages". This feature repeats one slide/page on the paper sheet, if the slide/page is smaller than the paper sheet. The plural leads to the wrong assumption, the feature would do a kind of N-up, filling the paper sheet with slide/page 1,2,... till it is full. Proposal "For small slide/page tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page." or shorter "Tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page". In addition be careful to distinguish slide/page for Impress/Draw. |
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− | * | + | *@Regina: Well observed :-) Thank you! --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 16:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC) |
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=== Mockup === | === Mockup === |
Revision as of 15:13, 18 October 2009
This page is part of the CWS printerpullpages. It is meant for the string reviews and discussions with regard to terminology and translation.
Contents
2009-10-14 OpenOffice.org Printing Terminology in General
The improved printing capabilities will lead to an improved functionality which has to be named somehow. Unfortunately, the inconsistency of some previous terms make it hard to differentiate the new functionality. More worse, our users might not be able to understand both new and existing functionality. Thus, this section will discuss the existing and some new terminology with regard to printing.
Example: In Calc, we can add "Print Ranges" for one or more "Sheets". Then, we print the document with "Range: All Sheets" and "Withing Range: All Pages". To help the environment, we change the setting "Pages per Sheet" in the tab "Page Layout". Did you get it? :-)
Note: This section is a "discussion space" until a solution is finally summarized and will be proposed for implementation. The other string reviews are independent from the discussion taking place here.
Discussion
The following discussion has been started with Liz in a private conversion. The rest of the discussion is meant to be continued here.
Source |
Current Status |
Current Terminology |
Proposed Terminology |
Description |
Issues, Questions and Replies |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
(new) |
Print Preview |
A preview of what the document will look like when printed out. Therefore this preview should take as much as available print options into account. The print preview is given in the print dialog and therefore complements the page preview available in the file menu in some applications. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Page |
(unchanged) |
Refers to the document page being worked on. |
|
Christoph |
Undecided |
Page Preview |
(unchanged) |
Refers to the preview of document pages to be called in the File menu. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Print Range |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Printer Settings... |
or
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Menu entry to call the window in which both printer properties and print options are available. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Printer Setup |
Print Settings |
Window title for the dialog being called via File – Print Settings... |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Properties... |
(???) |
The naming for the printer properties which are currently set in a separate dialog (Windows, Linux). |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Range |
(???) |
Range is used in the print dialog and refers to the range of pages/sheets/slides to be printed. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Selection |
(unchanged) |
A selection of text, cells or drawing objects which shall be printed. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Sheet |
(unchanged) |
Sheet refers to the physical paper sheet it is printed on. Example: Four document pages can be printed on one physical sheet. |
|
Christoph |
Decided |
Page Layout |
(unchanged) |
The tab page „Page Layout“ provide options how to place pages on sheets or to select which pages shall be printed. |
|
Christoph |
New |
(Printer Information) |
Printer Details |
The detailed information on the printer, e.g. status, location and comment. |
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Mockup
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2009-08-25 String Review by Sophie (French Translation)
Sophie - one of the language team representatives - had been asked to have a look on the strings concerning potential translation issues. Although Philipp implemented basic layouting capabilities for the dialog, the given information is very valuable. Thank you so much, Sophie!
Comment by Sophie: I based my feedback on the current design mockup and Liz comments. Please keep in mind that it's based on FR strings which are not the longest (I think pt-BR is longer)
- Writer:
- General Tab : [Print to file...] button, FR language will need 25 characters to display the complete string, so the button has to be quite large
- Page Layout Tab : [Pages per sheet] string, FR language will need 18 characters to display the string, I fear that the space is to short to display the last characters (this is also on the other module Page Layout Tab).
- Impress / Draw: if Brochure printing is enabled, there is this string displayed at the bottom of the dialog: [Note: Disable brochure printing to change the size setting.] This string will request 77 characters in French and may be 2 rows.
- Calc: Page Layout Tab : [Left to right, then down] drop down list, this string will take 37 characters in French. But it should not be an issue as the drop down list is quite large.
2009-08-13 String Review by Liz (Formulation)
A string review of the English text has been made by Liz - thanks a lot! Additional proposals have been added to improve the meaning of several string. The current intermediate result has to be reviewed again. Until then, there won't be any updated mockup for "Current Design Mockup".
Discussion
Source | Current Status | Proposal | Questions and Replies |
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Liz | Kept | Proposal (optional) to change "Printer Details" to "Details" |
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Liz | Accepted (Todo for CN) | The sub-group name "Thereof print" seems to be an issue because of the mixture of nouns and verbs. Liz proposed "Withing the print range, print:". |
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Liz | Accepted | Proposal to change "Print Page Preview" to "Preview" |
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Liz | Undecided | Proposal to change the group name "Print", since it is inconsistent with the rest of the dialog (verb vs. nouns). And it seems to be ambigious. |
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Liz | Accepted | Proposal to change button caption "Print to file..." to "Print to File...". |
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Liz | Accepted (Todo for CN) | Proposal to remove "right pages / left pages" from "Include, because it won't work for RTL text direction. |
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Mockup
2009-10-13 |
Second mockup for review by Liz. All currently discussed proposals are highlighted. Sorry for the quality, since I changed to a JPG to reduce its size. The original file can be found here. | |
2009-08-13 |
First reviewed mockup including Liz' comments and additional markups to highlight the comments. Sorry for the quality, since I changed to a JPG to reduce its size. |
String Review by the Community (Formulation)
Discussion
Everybody can join the discussion below...
Source | Current Status | Proposal | Questions and Replies |
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Christoph | New | Change "Add blank pages for page breaks" to "Add blank pages for page breaks automatically". From my point it isn't clear that only some page breaks are affected. Originally I had something like "for certain page breaks" which isn't clear enough. |
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Christoph, Jörg | New | Writer: Added/changed drop-down entries for Notes, since there was no proposal yet. The current proposals for "Notes" are:
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Regina, Christoph | New | Changed "Distribute on multiple pages" to "Distribute on multiple sheets", since we may better refer to "sheets" when thinking of physical paper sheets. A similar naming has been used on the "Page Layout" tab page. Unfortunately, this is different to the currently used string and also difficult to understand with regard to Calc (worksheet vs. paper sheet). And, in Impress there also is "Slides per page" for the handout printing. Personally, I'm fine with "...multiple pages" here, since we won't be able to provide a clean solution. Discussion on main printerpullpages talk page. |
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Regina | Accepted | Draw/Impress: Changed "Size: Tile pages" to "Size: Tile slides" for Impress. This has been a mistake. |
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Christoph | Undecided | Writer: Changed option "Graphics and diagrams" to "Pictures and drawings". "Pictures" improves consistency, the former "diagrams" has simply been wrong. |
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Regina 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Undecided | On Writer, Tab "Options" there is the checkbox "Reverse page order". It should be "Reverse paper sheet order". Reasons: The option is needed for manual duplex printing and is not only applied to normal print but also to brochure printing. In the latter case one paper sheet carries pages from start and from the end of the document and you do not want to alter this order, but the order of the paper sheet stack. For example, you print the front of the paper sheets with pages 16/1 14/3 12/5 10/7 with face down. Then the top empty back sheet it that with 10/7. Thereon the pages 8/9 must be printed, but normal print order would print pages 2/15 next. Therefore you must reverse the paper sheet order either for the front print or for the back print. |
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Regina 15:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Kept | The module specific tab has the title "Openoffice.org Calc", for example. I see no reason to put "Openoffice.org" in that place. I thought that the whole dialog is that dialog, which is independent of the operating system and depends only on the vendor. Therefore I would expect "OpenOffice.org" or "StarSuite" for example in the title bar of the whole dialog to distinguish the dialog from dialogs provided by the operating system. |
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Regina 15:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Accepted | On tab "Openoffice.org Impress" and "Openoffice.org Draw", section "Size". "Tile pages" is misleading because of the plural "pages". This feature repeats one slide/page on the paper sheet, if the slide/page is smaller than the paper sheet. The plural leads to the wrong assumption, the feature would do a kind of N-up, filling the paper sheet with slide/page 1,2,... till it is full. Proposal "For small slide/page tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page." or shorter "Tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page". In addition be careful to distinguish slide/page for Impress/Draw. |
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