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A string review of the English text has been made by Liz - thanks a lot! Additional proposals have been added to improve the meaning of several string. The current intermediate result has to be reviewed again. Until then, there won't be any updated mockup for "Current Design Mockup". | A string review of the English text has been made by Liz - thanks a lot! Additional proposals have been added to improve the meaning of several string. The current intermediate result has to be reviewed again. Until then, there won't be any updated mockup for "Current Design Mockup". | ||
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− | ! Source | + | ! Source |
− | ! Current Status | + | ! Current Status |
− | ! Proposal | + | ! Proposal |
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− | | Liz | + | | Liz |
− | | Kept | + | | Kept |
− | | Proposal (optional) to change "Printer Details" to "Details" | + | | Proposal (optional) to change "Printer Details" to "Details" |
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− | * Will be kept unchanged, since the group title is a bit far away - so this won't hurt (hopefully). --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *Will be kept unchanged, since the group title is a bit far away - so this won't hurt (hopefully). --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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− | | Liz | + | | Liz |
− | | | + | | Accepted (Todo for CN) |
− | | The sub-group name "Thereof print" seems to be an issue because of the mixture of nouns and verbs. Liz proposed "Withing the print range, print:". | + | | The sub-group name "Thereof print" seems to be an issue because of the mixture of nouns and verbs. Liz proposed "Withing the print range, print:". |
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− | * | + | *@Liz: What about "Within range" (shorter), because then we would be able to re-add the group line? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * EM- | + | *EM->CN: I think that will work esp if it is visually clear that it is a subgroup of the part above it. (Aug 26) |
+ | *'''@CN:''' Needs to be specified and implemented. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 14:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)<br> | ||
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− | | Liz | + | | Liz |
− | | Accepted | + | | Accepted |
− | | Proposal to change "Print Page Preview" to "Preview" | + | | Proposal to change "Print Page Preview" to "Preview" |
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− | * Funnily, there there is nothing like a "Print Page Preview" in my the wiki secton "Definitions". So I'll change that to "Print Preview" (wiki pages will get updated, too). --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *Funnily, there there is nothing like a "Print Page Preview" in my the wiki secton "Definitions". So I'll change that to "Print Preview" (wiki pages will get updated, too). --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | + | *EM->CN: I suggested "Preview" only, so I'm curious why you added "Print Preview" I thought we are just talking about the placeholder string in the dialog on the left where the preview will appear. Of course if this is a menu item that will be in contrast to Page Preview, then that is another story. | |
+ | *'''@EM:''' Yes, this a different story. I added it to the more general terminology discussion above. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 14:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)<br> | ||
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− | | Liz | + | | Liz |
− | | Undecided | + | | Undecided |
− | | Proposal to change the group name "Print", since it is inconsistent with the rest of the dialog (verb vs. nouns). And it seems to be ambigious. | + | | Proposal to change the group name "Print", since it is inconsistent with the rest of the dialog (verb vs. nouns). And it seems to be ambigious. |
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− | * @Liz: How about "Printout", since "Contents" is already used elsewhere... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *@Liz: How about "Printout", since "Contents" is already used elsewhere... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * EM- | + | *EM->CN: "Printout" is at least a noun so it is better, but something still is not perfect. It is only for hard copy (e.g. not print to file) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/printout. so is this okay or not? Anyone else with an opinion? (Aug26) |
− | * '''@ | + | *'''@EM''': I thought about it again and I'm still uncertain - basically both the items relate somehow to "Contents": |
− | ** "General" does more relate how the data is presented (Writer: no document text, only notes; Impress: Handouts - which rather defines how the data is printed instead of adding/removing data). | + | **"General" does more relate how the data is presented (Writer: no document text, only notes; Impress: Handouts - which rather defines how the data is printed instead of adding/removing data). |
− | ** "OpenOffice.org ApplicationName" does allow fine grained (rather object specific) control | + | **"OpenOffice.org ApplicationName" does allow fine grained (rather object specific) control |
− | ** Does this help anyhow? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 21:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | + | **Does this help anyhow? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 21:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC) |
+ | *'''@EM''': I again thought about it. Since the meaning does somehow relate to the elements in the application menu "View", the noun "Printout" might fit. Since there are several elements which are based on "real" printing (e.g. sheets of paper, printed pages), we might never be able to resolve it. So I change it to "Printout" and we keep "Contents" for the object details. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 14:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
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− | | Liz | + | | Liz |
− | | Accepted | + | | Accepted |
− | | Proposal to change button caption "Print to file..." to "Print to File...". | + | | Proposal to change button caption "Print to file..." to "Print to File...". |
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− | * Okay --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *Okay --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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− | | Liz | + | | Liz |
− | | | + | | Accepted (Todo for CN) |
− | | Proposal to remove "right pages / left pages" from "Include, because it won't work for RTL text direction. | + | | Proposal to remove "right pages / left pages" from "Include, because it won't work for RTL text direction. |
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− | * Regina noticed that, too (some days before). Personally I would like to make "front sides / back sides" a bit more self explaining. '''@Liz''': How about "Front sides / odd pages" and "Back sides / even pages" (or is it required to say e.g. "odd-numbered")? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | + | *Regina noticed that, too (some days before). Personally I would like to make "front sides / back sides" a bit more self explaining. '''@Liz''': How about "Front sides / odd pages" and "Back sides / even pages" (or is it required to say e.g. "odd-numbered")? --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | * em- | + | *em->CN: Best would be "Front sides (odd-numbered pages)" and "Back sides (even-numbered pages)" (Aug 26) |
− | * | + | *@EM: I just noticed how funny "odd pages" is - being a bit boring. Concerning your proposal, is it okay to say "Front sides (odd numbers)" and "Back sides (even numbers)"? Otherwise the strings would be really long... --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 16:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC) |
− | + | *EM->CN: OK, use the shorter string "Front sides (odd numbers)" and "Back sides (even numbers)" | |
+ | *'''@CN:''' Needs to be specified and implemented. --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 14:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)<br> | ||
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Revision as of 14:27, 18 October 2009
This page is part of the CWS printerpullpages. It is meant for the string reviews and discussions with regard to terminology and translation.
Contents
2009-10-14 OpenOffice.org Printing Terminology in General
The improved printing capabilities will lead to an improved functionality which has to be named somehow. Unfortunately, the inconsistency of some previous terms make it hard to differentiate the new functionality. More worse, our users might not be able to understand both new and existing functionality. Thus, this section will discuss the existing and some new terminology with regard to printing.
Example: In Calc, we can add "Print Ranges" for one or more "Sheets". Then, we print the document with "Range: All Sheets" and "Withing Range: All Pages". To help the environment, we change the setting "Pages per Sheet" in the tab "Page Layout". Did you get it? :-)
Note: This section is a "discussion space" until a solution is finally summarized and will be proposed for implementation. The other string reviews are independent from the discussion taking place here.
Discussion
The following discussion has been started with Liz in a private conversion. The rest of the discussion is meant to be continued here.
Source |
Current Status |
Current Terminology |
Proposed Terminology |
Description |
Issues, Questions and Replies |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
(new) |
Print Preview |
A preview of what the document will look like when printed out. Therefore this preview should take as much as available print options into account. The print preview is given in the print dialog and therefore complements the page preview available in the file menu in some applications. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Page |
(unchanged) |
Refers to the document page being worked on. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Page Preview |
(unchanged) |
Refers to the preview of document pages to be called in the File menu. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Print Range |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Printer Settings... |
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Menu entry to call the window in which both printer properties and print options are available. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Printer Setup |
Print Settings |
Window title for the dialog being called via File – Print Settings... |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Properties... |
(unchanged) |
The naming for the printer properties which are currently set in a separate dialog (Windows, Linux). |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Range |
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Range is used in the print dialog and refers to the range of pages/sheets/slides to be printed. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Selection |
(unchanged) |
A selection of text, cells or drawing objects which shall be printed. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Sheet |
(unchanged) |
Sheet refers to the physical paper sheet it is printed on. Example: Four document pages can be printed on one physical sheet. |
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Christoph |
Undecided |
Page Layout |
(unchanged) |
The tab page „Page Layout“ provide options how to place pages on sheets or to select which pages shall be printed. |
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Christoph |
New |
(Printer Information) |
Printer Details |
The detailed information on the printer, e.g. status, location and comment. |
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Mockup
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2009-08-25 String Review by Sophie (French Translation)
Sophie - one of the language team representatives - had been asked to have a look on the strings concerning potential translation issues. Although Philipp implemented basic layouting capabilities for the dialog, the given information is very valuable. Thank you so much, Sophie!
Comment by Sophie: I based my feedback on the current design mockup and Liz comments. Please keep in mind that it's based on FR strings which are not the longest (I think pt-BR is longer)
- Writer:
- General Tab : [Print to file...] button, FR language will need 25 characters to display the complete string, so the button has to be quite large
- Page Layout Tab : [Pages per sheet] string, FR language will need 18 characters to display the string, I fear that the space is to short to display the last characters (this is also on the other module Page Layout Tab).
- Impress / Draw: if Brochure printing is enabled, there is this string displayed at the bottom of the dialog: [Note: Disable brochure printing to change the size setting.] This string will request 77 characters in French and may be 2 rows.
- Calc: Page Layout Tab : [Left to right, then down] drop down list, this string will take 37 characters in French. But it should not be an issue as the drop down list is quite large.
2009-08-13 String Review by Liz (Formulation)
A string review of the English text has been made by Liz - thanks a lot! Additional proposals have been added to improve the meaning of several string. The current intermediate result has to be reviewed again. Until then, there won't be any updated mockup for "Current Design Mockup".
Discussion
Source | Current Status | Proposal | Questions and Replies |
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Liz | Kept | Proposal (optional) to change "Printer Details" to "Details" |
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Liz | Accepted (Todo for CN) | The sub-group name "Thereof print" seems to be an issue because of the mixture of nouns and verbs. Liz proposed "Withing the print range, print:". |
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Liz | Accepted | Proposal to change "Print Page Preview" to "Preview" |
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Liz | Undecided | Proposal to change the group name "Print", since it is inconsistent with the rest of the dialog (verb vs. nouns). And it seems to be ambigious. |
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Liz | Accepted | Proposal to change button caption "Print to file..." to "Print to File...". |
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Liz | Accepted (Todo for CN) | Proposal to remove "right pages / left pages" from "Include, because it won't work for RTL text direction. |
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Mockup
2009-10-13 |
Second mockup for review by Liz. All currently discussed proposals are highlighted. Sorry for the quality, since I changed to a JPG to reduce its size. The original file can be found here. | |
2009-08-13 |
First reviewed mockup including Liz' comments and additional markups to highlight the comments. Sorry for the quality, since I changed to a JPG to reduce its size. |
String Review by the Community (Formulation)
Discussion
Everybody can join the discussion below...
Source | Current Status | Proposal | Questions and Replies |
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Christoph | New | Change "Add blank pages for page breaks" to "Add blank pages for page breaks automatically". From my point it isn't clear that only some page breaks are affected. Originally I had something like "for certain page breaks" which isn't clear enough. |
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Christoph, Jörg | New | Writer: Added/changed drop-down entries for Notes, since there was no proposal yet. The current proposals for "Notes" are:
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Regina, Christoph | New | Changed "Distribute on multiple pages" to "Distribute on multiple sheets", since we may better refer to "sheets" when thinking of physical paper sheets. A similar naming has been used on the "Page Layout" tab page. Unfortunately, this is different to the currently used string and also difficult to understand with regard to Calc (worksheet vs. paper sheet). And, in Impress there also is "Slides per page" for the handout printing. Personally, I'm fine with "...multiple pages" here, since we won't be able to provide a clean solution. Discussion on main printerpullpages talk page. |
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Regina | Accepted | Draw/Impress: Changed "Size: Tile pages" to "Size: Tile slides" for Impress. This has been a mistake. |
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Christoph | Undecided | Writer: Changed option "Graphics and diagrams" to "Pictures and drawings". "Pictures" improves consistency, the former "diagrams" has simply been wrong. |
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Regina 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Undecided | On Writer, Tab "Options" there is the checkbox "Reverse page order". It should be "Reverse paper sheet order". Reasons: The option is needed for manual duplex printing and is not only applied to normal print but also to brochure printing. In the latter case one paper sheet carries pages from start and from the end of the document and you do not want to alter this order, but the order of the paper sheet stack. For example, you print the front of the paper sheets with pages 16/1 14/3 12/5 10/7 with face down. Then the top empty back sheet it that with 10/7. Thereon the pages 8/9 must be printed, but normal print order would print pages 2/15 next. Therefore you must reverse the paper sheet order either for the front print or for the back print. |
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Regina 15:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Kept | The module specific tab has the title "Openoffice.org Calc", for example. I see no reason to put "Openoffice.org" in that place. I thought that the whole dialog is that dialog, which is independent of the operating system and depends only on the vendor. Therefore I would expect "OpenOffice.org" or "StarSuite" for example in the title bar of the whole dialog to distinguish the dialog from dialogs provided by the operating system. |
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Regina 15:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | Accepted | On tab "Openoffice.org Impress" and "Openoffice.org Draw", section "Size". "Tile pages" is misleading because of the plural "pages". This feature repeats one slide/page on the paper sheet, if the slide/page is smaller than the paper sheet. The plural leads to the wrong assumption, the feature would do a kind of N-up, filling the paper sheet with slide/page 1,2,... till it is full. Proposal "For small slide/page tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page." or shorter "Tile paper sheet with repeated slide/page". In addition be careful to distinguish slide/page for Impress/Draw. |
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