Log Mac Meeting February 27th 2008

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[2008-02-27 14:03:30] <PhilippL> 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port
[2008-02-27 14:03:38] <PhilippL> Hello everybody. Anyone new ?
[2008-02-27 14:04:26] <PhilippL> Seems to be not so.
[2008-02-27 14:04:39] <PhilippL> 2. Current state of the open CWS's
[2008-02-27 14:04:44] <PhilippL> aquavcl05 still in QA
[2008-02-27 14:04:50] <PhilippL> nativeprintdlg01 in QA
[2008-02-27 14:05:01] <PhilippL> aquafilepicker02 still in QA
[2008-02-27 14:05:06] <ericb2> PhilippL: it is accepted as it ?
[2008-02-27 14:05:14] <ericb2> PhilippL: means after your last changes ?
[2008-02-27 14:05:30] <PhilippL> ericb2: nativeprintdlg01 is accepted, yes
[2008-02-27 14:05:34] <ericb2> PhilippL: wow great !  Thank you very much for your changes  :-)
[2008-02-27 14:05:57] <PhilippL> no problem.
[2008-02-27 14:06:09] <ericb2> PhilippL: if I read the code correctly, the second dialog box ( job preparation) still appear, right
[2008-02-27 14:06:13] <PhilippL> I wanted to see this to a good end, too, after all.
[2008-02-27 14:06:33] <ericb2> PhilippL: thanks again. Your help was precious
[2008-02-27 14:06:40] <PhilippL> you mean the print progress before the native dialog ? Yes.
[2008-02-27 14:06:46] <ericb2> PhilippL: yes
[2008-02-27 14:06:46] <PhilippL> The wording was changed though.
[2008-02-27 14:07:07] <ericb2> PhilippL: I have seen. Thus the string will be translated aftewards, right ?
[2008-02-27 14:07:13] <PhilippL> yes
[2008-02-27 14:07:16] <ericb2> ok
[2008-02-27 14:07:28] <obr> aqua11y01 missed the QA time window, but as it is not UI relevant, it will qa'ed & integrated later
[2008-02-27 14:10:04] <PhilippL> There will of course be an aquavcl06; I will create it over the next days (probably when m1 is finished)
[2008-02-27 14:10:26] <ericb2> PhilippL: +1
[2008-02-27 14:10:35] <shaunmcdonald> will aquavcl06 get into 3.0?
[2008-02-27 14:10:42] <PhilippL> yes, of course.
[2008-02-27 14:10:53] <PhilippL> Lots of things to do yet fro 3.0 :-)
[2008-02-27 14:11:09] <PhilippL> the date now is UI/Feature freeze for 3.0 beta
[2008-02-27 14:11:15] <shaunmcdonald> just the UI deadline is March
[2008-02-27 14:11:23] <PhilippL> That date is supposed to be 6th of March
[2008-02-27 14:11:50] * ericb2 has no news about quicklookplugin
[2008-02-27 14:12:12] <shaunmcdonald> is there likely to be any ui changes that we would need to integrate, that might not get into 3.0?
[2008-02-27 14:12:41] <PhilippL> Possibly. However there will be a UI freeze for 3.0 final, too, of course.
[2008-02-27 14:12:48] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: 3.x probably
[2008-02-27 14:12:59] <PhilippL> However the changes made should not be of the StartCenter kind anymore.
[2008-02-27 14:13:34] <shaunmcdonald> ah, so there can be changes to the ui between the 3.0 beta and 3.0
[2008-02-27 14:13:45] * shaunmcdonald hasn't seen the new start centre yet
[2008-02-27 14:13:54] <PhilippL> of course. We want to get feedback with the beta, this can result in UI changes.
[2008-02-27 14:13:59] <ericb2> PhilippL: did you hit the issue I mentionned ( empty menus when closing the last window ) ?  Seems to appear on Tiger only
[2008-02-27 14:14:07] <PhilippL> But the changes should normally not be big new features anymore.
[2008-02-27 14:14:16] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: I got builds if you want
[2008-02-27 14:14:40] <PhilippL> ericb2: no I didn't. But I will look on tiger. That needs to be fixed of course, should be in aquavcl06
[2008-02-27 14:15:24] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: 8-) that would be faster than me trying to build on my slow MacBook
[2008-02-27 14:15:27] <ericb2> PhilippL: in fact, I cannot reproduce on Leopard
[2008-02-27 14:15:38] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: this is hacked build
[2008-02-27 14:15:53] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: because aquavcl05 was not m248 resync'ed
[2008-02-27 14:16:39] <PhilippL> Speaking of hacked builds: I'd like to create a "preview" based on the final 2.4 (whenever that's gonna be) containing obr07, macosxdnd, nativeprintdlg01 and aquavcl05.
[2008-02-27 14:16:46] <PhilippL> Anyone for or against it ?
[2008-02-27 14:16:53] <ericb2> PhilippL: not me :)
[2008-02-27 14:16:59] <shaunmcdonald> when is pdffix02 likely to be integrated?
[2008-02-27 14:17:12] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: when it's ready :-)
[2008-02-27 14:17:26] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: hdu is currently absent, so work on that is on halt.
[2008-02-27 14:17:31] * shaunmcdonald really needs it for issue 81286
[2008-02-27 14:17:37] <IZBot> porting DEFECT RESOLVED FIXED P3 Printing from PDF exported from Aqua print garbage http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81286
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[2008-02-27 14:18:37] <shaunmcdonald> otherwise whenever people print pdfs I create in the aqua version of ooo, they just print garbage
[2008-02-27 14:19:24] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: when hdu is back (next week ?) he'll continue with that, so I expect that CWS to go into 3 beta.
[2008-02-27 14:19:43] <shaunmcdonald> ok
[2008-02-27 14:20:06] * shaunmcdonald thinks that hacked builds should be kept fairly quiet
[2008-02-27 14:20:22] <ericb2> PhilippL: from my side, I'll have 6 weeks over busy, and after, I'll be back for help the Macport
[2008-02-27 14:21:23] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: http://oooaqua.laurentbuisson.fr/ ( unofficial, hacked , but giving a good overview )
[2008-02-27 14:21:47] * shaunmcdonald has recently updated http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html to link to m246 builds on good day
[2008-02-27 14:24:02] <PhilippL> very good !
[2008-02-27 14:24:12] <PhilippL> the old page was badly out of date.
[2008-02-27 14:24:24] <ericb2> indeed
[2008-02-27 14:25:49] <shaunmcdonald> yeah, I think I should put an announcement/news item that regular milestones are being linked from the download pages
[2008-02-27 14:26:09] <shaunmcdonald> or should I wait until aquavcl05 is integrated
[2008-02-27 14:26:26] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: don't wait. Better have m248 than continue to wait ;)
[2008-02-27 14:26:27] <shaunmcdonald> I know there have been a number of users thinking development on aqua has stalled
[2008-02-27 14:26:36] * Dyrcona has questions about aquavcl05.
[2008-02-27 14:26:41] <shaunmcdonald> maho hasn't build 2.48 yet
[2008-02-27 14:26:48] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: ah ...
[2008-02-27 14:26:59] <shaunmcdonald> I'm not going to put 247 up as it has a problem
[2008-02-27 14:27:02] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: shoot :-)
[2008-02-27 14:27:07] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: we should have an Intel bot for Europa
[2008-02-27 14:27:28] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: doing the builds. Or better : a tinderbox
[2008-02-27 14:27:44] <Dyrcona> Is it possible for me to integrate aquavcl05 into my copy of DEV300_m0, or is it already in there?
[2008-02-27 14:27:56] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: some day I'll be able to afford a Mac Pro to hide under my desk
[2008-02-27 14:28:09] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: great :-)
[2008-02-27 14:28:24] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: in all modules belonging to aquavcl05 do a cvs update -jSRC680_m247 -jcws_src680_aquavcl05
[2008-02-27 14:28:29] * ericb2 glad to see you progress with finding a job ;-) 
[2008-02-27 14:29:02] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: that merges the differences between aquavcl05 and its master into you local modules
[2008-02-27 14:29:14] <Dyrcona> PhillipL: thx. i'll try that today.
[2008-02-27 14:29:22] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: And sorry, should be cvs update -dP -jSRC680_m247 -jcws_src680_aquavcl05
[2008-02-27 14:29:33] <ericb2> Dyrcona: if you have whatever question, just ask
[2008-02-27 14:29:38] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: I have people fighting for me now
[2008-02-27 14:29:45] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: good :)
[2008-02-27 14:29:53] <shaunmcdonald> hence little time for ooo
[2008-02-27 14:29:57] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: :)
[2008-02-27 14:32:02] <PhilippL> next point ?
[2008-02-27 14:32:30] <PhilippL> 3. Roundtable
[2008-02-27 14:32:56] <PhilippL> Anybody interested in image acquisition ? (From scanners and possibly the webcam? )
[2008-02-27 14:33:22] <PhilippL> I had a look at the Image Capture SDK, but basically all it's APIs seem to be deprecated.
[2008-02-27 14:33:47] <ericb2> PhilippL: already ?
[2008-02-27 14:34:14] <PhilippL> Yes, it seems so. There doesn't seem to be an SDK for leopard out.
[2008-02-27 14:34:27] <ericb2> PhilippL: do you have some suggestions for the implementation ?
[2008-02-27 14:34:32] <ericb2> PhilippL: about the design ..etc ?
[2008-02-27 14:34:38] <ericb2> PhilippL: something to start
[2008-02-27 14:35:18] <shaunmcdonald> unless there is some other api that isn't within an sdk?
[2008-02-27 14:35:39] <PhilippL> The interface from OOo's side is rather simple, see in extensions/source/scanner
[2008-02-27 14:35:53] <ericb2> PhilippL: I know it already
[2008-02-27 14:36:10] <PhilippL> Basically there are two calls, one to open a dialog, one to get the image with the options configured in the dialog.
[2008-02-27 14:36:18] <ericb2> PhilippL: the few I have read, leads me to think the interface is rich, but not the current implementation
[2008-02-27 14:36:33] <ericb2> but maybe I missed something
[2008-02-27 14:36:37] <PhilippL> That is basically all from OOo's side, this is basically a system implementation.
[2008-02-27 14:37:09] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok, then I'll have a look
[2008-02-27 14:37:15] <ericb2> Dyrcona: are you interested too ?
[2008-02-27 14:37:26] <ericb2> PhilippL: I believed more had to be done
[2008-02-27 14:37:45] <Dyrcona> Yes. I'll take a stab at it. My macbook has a built in camera to play with.
[2008-02-27 14:37:56] <PhilippL> ericb2: no, the OOo part is rather simple. The system part is much more interesting :-)
[2008-02-27 14:39:06] <ericb2> Dyrcona: good :)
[2008-02-27 14:40:36] <ericb2> Dyrcona: I'll give you everything I have
[2008-02-27 14:41:06] <PhilippL> ericb2: Wow, you seem to want scanner support badly :-)
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[2008-02-27 14:41:28] <ericb2> PhilippL:  :)
[2008-02-27 14:41:29] <Dyrcona> ericb2: Ok. :)
[2008-02-27 14:42:36] * shaunmcdonald has never understood it when someone uses a word document to send him a scan of a document, rather than send a PDF or image
[2008-02-27 14:43:11] <PhilippL> Any other issues ?
[2008-02-27 14:43:14] <ericb2> PhilippL: FYI, I'm in touch with Nicolas Pero from GNUstep Project. He's the author of Renaissance
[2008-02-27 14:43:42] <ericb2> PhilippL: was abot layout. I'd like test my proof of concept too .. a day :)
[2008-02-27 14:45:57] <PhilippL> I don't know what will come out of Novell's layout mechanism. Hopefully that would match our needs for control layout, too.
[2008-02-27 14:46:49] <ericb2> PhilippL: curiously, Robert Dargaud (alias bob ) contacted me the exact sema day I met Nicolas Pero :)
[2008-02-27 14:47:15] <shaunmcdonald> so there is currently a lot of stuff in QA just now that will bring big improvements to ooo aqua
[2008-02-27 14:47:20] <ericb2> PhilippL: bob was the first one to propose .src -> xml -> gorm or whatever use
[2008-02-27 14:47:32] * ericb2 proposed renaissance afterwards 
[2008-02-27 14:47:49] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: yes
[2008-02-27 14:49:04] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: 8-)
[2008-02-27 14:49:30] <PhilippL> I guess that's it fro today ?
[2008-02-27 14:49:44] <shaunmcdonald> I think so