Log Mac Meeting April 16th 2008

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[2008-04-16 15:02:44] <PhilippL> 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port 
[2008-04-16 15:02:49] <PhilippL> anybody new ?
[2008-04-16 15:03:57] <PhilippL> 2. Current state of the open CWS's
[2008-04-16 15:04:12] <PhilippL> aquavcl07 is open and will be resynced to dev300m8 asap.
[2008-04-16 15:04:36] <PhilippL> the cmd<->ctrl change will go into beta yet via CWS startcenterfix02
[2008-04-16 15:04:36] <ericb2> PhilippL: is dev300_m8 tagged ?
[2008-04-16 15:04:58] <PhilippL> m8 is not yet ready, therefore asap.
[2008-04-16 15:05:54] <fne> aqua11y01 is integrated into upcoming m8, after that we will open aqua11y02 for bug fixes
[2008-04-16 15:06:55] <PhilippL> any other CWS news ?
[2008-04-16 15:07:16] <ericb2> I'd like to have opinions about quicklookplugin
[2008-04-16 15:07:30] <ericb2> for me the code is nice, and the plugin works as well as possible
[2008-04-16 15:07:32] <ericb2> but
[2008-04-16 15:07:47] <ericb2> using qlmanage in command line, we can do better :/
[2008-04-16 15:08:26] <ericb2> what do ? validate the current one, and imporve in anothr cws, or fix everything now, but will be ok for 3.1 probably
[2008-04-16 15:08:33] <ericb2> ?
[2008-04-16 15:10:11] <PhilippL> what is qlmanage for ?
[2008-04-16 15:10:53] <ericb2> PhilippL: ql means " quick look " manage means manage the quick look generator of thumbnails I suppose
[2008-04-16 15:11:15] <ericb2> PhilippL: you can reset the list of recognized plugins and their repsective locations
[2008-04-16 15:11:45] <PhilippL> and why does it do better than out thumbnails ? Does it make larger thumbnails ?
[2008-04-16 15:11:46] <ericb2> PhilippL: write the list, and even open existing document, passing the path and the options as options / arguments
[2008-04-16 15:12:04] <ericb2> PhilippL: the fact is Apple implemented an Apple version for .od*
[2008-04-16 15:12:24] <ericb2> PhilippL: and it seems to work better using qlmanage manually, than use the OpenOffice.org plugin
[2008-04-16 15:12:36] <ericb2> PhilippL: that's what I try to explain since several weeks already
[2008-04-16 15:13:02] <ericb2> PhilippL: + add the thumbnail is buggy in OpenOffice.org, due to too low resolution
[2008-04-16 15:13:50] <PhilippL> Then what is the benefit of CWS quicklookplugin ?
[2008-04-16 15:14:28] <ericb2> PhilippL: OpenOffice.org document preview on Leopard. Extremely interesting and highly awaited
[2008-04-16 15:14:57] <PhilippL> you just said that the system command already does a better job ?
[2008-04-16 15:15:39] <ericb2> PhilippL: unfortunaly. The point is, I'm QA for quicklookplugin, and I need opinions
[2008-04-16 15:16:11] <PhilippL> I don't know that CWS but if you say the system already does better, then what is the use ?
[2008-04-16 15:16:39] <ericb2> PhilippL: it works for .sxi, .sxc but not well
[2008-04-16 15:16:59] <PhilippL> so the system works only for odt ?
[2008-04-16 15:17:36] <ericb2> PhilippL: for .odt, the Apple ql generator is now used, not us. For some other file formats, we use our. but the result is not as good as expected
[2008-04-16 15:17:44] <ericb2> s/us/our/
[2008-04-16 15:19:18] <Dyrcona> ericb2: anything special needed to build the quicklook plugin?
[2008-04-16 15:20:04] <ericb2> Dyrcona: yes. Test and compare to what gives qlmanage use in parallel. then post your results on the mac@  list. More we have opinions, better we'll see what do
[2008-04-16 15:20:35] <Dyrcona> ericb2: I mean, how do I build and install it.
[2008-04-16 15:21:15] <ericb2> Dyrcona: I'll explain you everything in private
[2008-04-16 15:21:49] <Dyrcona> ericb2: ok.
[2008-04-16 15:24:33] =-= Fridrich is now known as TrainedMonkey
[2008-04-16 15:24:46] <PhilippL> I have no idea, if you think it still looks bad it should probably be improved.
[2008-04-16 15:24:56] <ericb2> PhilippL: ok
[2008-04-16 15:25:14] <PhilippL> Any other CWS news ?
[2008-04-16 15:25:15] <ericb2> PhilippL: FYI, ssa tested it
[2008-04-16 15:25:33] <PhilippL> ericb2: So what was his opinion ?
[2008-04-16 15:25:47] <ericb2> PhilippL: Stephan forgot to conclude :)
[2008-04-16 15:25:58] <PhilippL> perhaps ask him also.
[2008-04-16 15:26:02] <ericb2> PhilippL: that's why I answered him, askim for more info
[2008-04-16 15:26:19] <ericb2> PhilippL: I did that yesterday
[2008-04-16 15:27:01] <obr> obr08 is integrated in m8 as well, introducing language subdirectories in Resources and fixing the DaMaGe ;-)
[2008-04-16 15:27:26] <PhilippL> so we get our background image back finally ! :-)
[2008-04-16 15:27:49] <obr> at least until we drop 'Beta' ;-)
[2008-04-16 15:27:50] * ericb2 suggests to propose m8 as developer snapshot
[2008-04-16 15:28:08] <ericb2> if ever maho cannot build it on PowerPC, I'll do
[2008-04-16 15:29:52] <PhilippL> 3. Webpage changes
[2008-04-16 15:29:58] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: ?
[2008-04-16 15:29:59] <hdu_hh> What do you guys thing of the suggested website update?
[2008-04-16 15:30:01] <hdu_hh> http://porting.openoffice.org/source/browse/porting/www/mac/?only_with_tag=hdu_aqua2008-04
[2008-04-16 15:30:41] <hdu_hh> Deemphesize the "you need X11" on page 1
[2008-04-16 15:31:05] <hdu_hh> s/deemphesize/deemphasize/
[2008-04-16 15:31:13] <ericb2> hdu_hh: and suggest to use aqua as default ?
[2008-04-16 15:31:34] <hdu_hh> not until there is an official release
[2008-04-16 15:32:14] <PhilippL> which will be the beta ?
[2008-04-16 15:32:16] <hdu_hh> but we shouldn't scare people by "you need X11 and it is very difficult to install" on 70% of our main page
[2008-04-16 15:32:29] <ericb2> hdu_hh: agreed
[2008-04-16 15:32:42] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I second you :)
[2008-04-16 15:33:20] <hdu_hh> also the installation instructions have been a bit modified:
[2008-04-16 15:33:21] <hdu_hh> just drag and drop the application icon
[2008-04-16 15:34:04] <hdu_hh> for the cases where X11 needs to be installed there is a pointer, but not on the "how to install OOo on Mac" page
[2008-04-16 15:34:13] <hdu_hh> and so on and so on
[2008-04-16 15:37:08] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: so when do you move the tagged version to HEAD ?
[2008-04-16 15:37:44] <hdu_hh> I wait for a consensus
[2008-04-16 15:37:54] <PhilippL> I vote for now.
[2008-04-16 15:38:13] <ericb2> PhilippL: sorry, what means move the tagged version to HEAD ?
[2008-04-16 15:38:38] <PhilippL> currently the web page is not visible, it exists on a branch in cvs.
[2008-04-16 15:38:54] <ericb2> PhilippL: ahh, ok :)
[2008-04-16 15:39:46] <hdu_hh> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.services.openoffice.org:/cvs checkout porting/www
[2008-04-16 15:39:48] <hdu_hh> cd porting/www/mac
[2008-04-16 15:39:49] <hdu_hh> cvs -z3 update -rhdu_aqua2008-04
[2008-04-16 15:39:51] <hdu_hh> then have a look at file://xxx.../mac/index.html
[2008-04-16 15:40:21] <ericb2> hdu_hh: there are cws even for websites ?  :)
[2008-04-16 15:41:17] <hdu_hh> branching is a good idea before bigger changes
[2008-04-16 15:42:12] * ericb2 will vote like PhilippL 
[2008-04-16 15:42:33] <hdu_hh> does anyone disagree with moving the www/porting/mac branch to trunk?
[2008-04-16 15:42:49] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: your opinion ?
[2008-04-16 15:44:14] <fne> hdu_hh: I agree to moving ;-)
[2008-04-16 15:44:56] <PhilippL> so, confirmed by acclamation: make the pages live.
[2008-04-16 15:45:10] <hdu_hh> and ericb2? shaunmcdonald? mikesic?
[2008-04-16 15:45:20] <ericb2> hdu_hh: agreed from me, really
[2008-04-16 15:45:27] * shaunmcdonald hasn't got time just now :-(
[2008-04-16 15:45:39] <hdu_hh> Ok, will do.
[2008-04-16 15:46:09] <ericb2> hdu_hh: of course, you can wait, until mikesic gives his opinion
[2008-04-16 15:46:44] <ericb2> hdu_hh: but I'm confident, this won't hurt him  ;)
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[2008-04-16 15:50:45] <PhilippL> 4. Roundtable
[2008-04-16 15:51:57] <PhilippL> Anything else to discuss ?
[2008-04-16 15:52:28] <ericb2> PhilippL: Hamburg meeting: I have added a point on the wiki
[2008-04-16 15:52:56] <ericb2> PhilippL: I probably won't attend, but this is an important point for the future of the Aqua version
[2008-04-16 15:55:13] <hdu_hh> FYI: the updated porting pages are live now at http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/
[2008-04-16 15:56:49] <ericb2> hdu_hh: No official release of OpenOffice.org Aqua is available yet
[2008-04-16 15:56:50] <ericb2> *but* OpenOffice.org Aqua Development Previews
[2008-04-16 15:57:12] <ericb2> hdu_hh: no ? ( or maybe my bad english strikes again )
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[2008-04-16 15:58:03] <ericb2> hdu_hh: what is good in the new page: Aqua is opposed to X11, and no doubt the users will click on the Aqua thing :)
[2008-04-16 15:58:21] <hdu_hh> that said on the "OOo Aqua" page, but not on the top-level page
[2008-04-16 15:58:47] <hdu_hh> anyway, from my point of view please feel free to extend/fix/etc.
[2008-04-16 15:58:50] <ericb2> hdu_hh: exact !  I missed the line
[2008-04-16 15:59:17] <ericb2> shaun will certainly do
[2008-04-16 15:59:30] <hdu_hh> ah, its even there on the topmost page...
[2008-04-16 16:03:43] <PhilippL> Ok, I think we can conclude the meeting ?