Difference between revisions of "Log Mac Meeting 4 July 2007"

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[2007-07-04 13::01:52] shaunmcdonald: meeting time?

[2007-07-04 13::05:21] CerebrosuS: now

[2007-07-04 13::05:54] jamesmckenzie: Yes.

[2007-07-04 13::06:07] ismael_: let's start

[2007-07-04 13::06:25] CerebrosuS: oky

[2007-07-04 13::08:36] PhilippL: doesn't seem so

[2007-07-04 13::08:47] CerebrosuS: yop

[2007-07-04 13::09:24] shaunmcdonald: 2. Latest Aqua news / Work in progress

[2007-07-04 13::09:41] hdu_hh: handling AppleEvents

[2007-07-04 13::09:57] PhilippL: aquavcl01 is ready for nomination.

[2007-07-04 13::10:05] shaunmcdonald: The 2nd preview release has been out in the wild for a couple of days now

[2007-07-04 13::11:16] CerebrosuS: getKeyName implementation in AquaSalFrame

[2007-07-04 13::11:21] shaunmcdonald: not much in terms of other publicity yet

[2007-07-04 13::11:35] hdu_hh: there seems to be much less public interest in the 2nd preview. Why? This is usable for many tasks now while the old release wasn't

[2007-07-04 13::11:58] shaunmcdonald: It doesn't seem to have gone into the versiontracker mail

[2007-07-04 13::12:09] PhilippL: hdu_hh: sic transit gloria mundi ...

[2007-07-04 13::12:40] shaunmcdonald: the X11 version got there though

[2007-07-04 13::14:48] sunrayjogi: ExLachs: no

[2007-07-04 13::15:36] shaunmcdonald: now that aqua 2nd preview has been out for a few days and initial distribution problems are sorted, we should start speaking to some media

[2007-07-04 13::16:06] PhilippL: media ?

[2007-07-04 13::16:12] shaunmcdonald: we have had 464 referalls from version tracker for the current aqua version

[2007-07-04 13::16:18] ericb2: back

[2007-07-04 13::16:27] shaunmcdonald: PhilippL: mac news sites

[2007-07-04 13::20:08] CerebrosuS: could create one, ... from an ooo icon, ... but where or how to upload it?

[2007-07-04 13::20:40] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: I have developer access to the ooo products in VersionTracker

[2007-07-04 13::21:24] CerebrosuS: oh ok, ... so i will give you a pic today

[2007-07-04 13::21:48] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: great

[2007-07-04 13::22:23] CerebrosuS: ok

[2007-07-04 13::23:03] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: it request 2 of the same icon, which are different sizes

[2007-07-04 13::24:27] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: when OpenOffice.org Logo is used, I think the best is advertise Louis, and / or Marketing project ( Florian Effenberger is a good candidate ;) )

[2007-07-04 13::24:31] CerebrosuS: of mac aqua?

[2007-07-04 13::24:43] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: will the two last one I did on my blog be ok ?

[2007-07-04 13::24:46] CerebrosuS: s/mac/ooo

[2007-07-04 13::25:19] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: requirements are JPEG, GIF, or PNG, with a max size of 480x360 with a mac size of 150k bytes

[2007-07-04 13::25:48] CerebrosuS: ok

[2007-07-04 13::26:37] shaunmcdonald: thought that the other ooo's mentioned on version tracker included the ooo icon

[2007-07-04 13::27:12] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: I have screenshots to propose, usijng Tango icons

[2007-07-04 13::27:56] shaunmcdonald: ericb2: great, send them to CerebrosuS and me please

[2007-07-04 13::28:29] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: everything is on my site :

[2007-07-04 13::28:51] CerebrosuS: is itup to me to create free icons, ... or just optimize the standard ooo logo with 2 birds?

[2007-07-04 13::29:00] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: 400 x 250 for the minis

[2007-07-04 13::29:39] CerebrosuS: sure ;) np

[2007-07-04 13::30:21] ericb2: CerebrosuS: please ask louis@ + cc floeff@openoffice.org

[2007-07-04 13::30:31] mav_eric: ericb2: I stumpled across an issue with Tango Iconset

[2007-07-04 13::31:07] ericb2: mav_eric: maybe. the problem with crystal and tango is they have a wrong size, and debug assertions always tilt with them ...

[2007-07-04 13::31:19] mav_eric: german community informed every media that got informed when snapshot 1 was released

[2007-07-04 13::32:08] shaunmcdonald: hasn't had time to inform the en media yet

[2007-07-04 13::32:15] mav_eric: instead it shows two times the "format toolbar"

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[2007-07-04 13::32:38] ericb2: mav_eric: even reinstalling ?

[2007-07-04 13::32:42] mav_eric: I think this is normal that a second snapshot isn't that hot a thing

[2007-07-04 13::32:50] ericb2: mav_eric: there is a generic bug with toolbars

[2007-07-04 13::32:52] mav_eric: ericb2: done that. I even deleted my user settings

[2007-07-04 13::32:55] ericb2: ( toll bars ;) )

[2007-07-04 13::33:14] shaunmcdonald: partly wanted to wait a day or two after release to make sure that any teething problems are fixed

[2007-07-04 13::33:16] mav_eric: ericb2: sunrayjogi did confirm that it doesn't occure when using standard Icon set

[2007-07-04 13::34:03] ericb2: mav_eric: I think you can file an issue, and everyone will track, if ever the issue is repeatable

[2007-07-04 13::34:37] mav_eric: ericb2: O.K. I'll file an issue once I see a light at the end of the tunnel of work that needs to be done today

[2007-07-04 13::36:17] CerebrosuS: email is gone, ... so i will directly optimize the screenshots

[2007-07-04 13::36:58] ericb2: declared aquavcl01 "nominated" :)

[2007-07-04 13::37:08] PhilippL: ericb2: yay ! :-)

[2007-07-04 13::37:13] ericb2: (Pavel is away for yet one week )

[2007-07-04 13::39:37] sunrayjogi: ericb2: ...ehm.... I am not a developer :-)

[2007-07-04 13::40:34] ericb2: congratulations to all people (even not developers ) who contributed, and let's go for aquavcl02 !

[2007-07-04 13::43:37] shaunmcdonald: sunrayjogi: tester help in the development of the software, therefore in a broad context testers are developers

[2007-07-04 13::44:18] ismael_: other aqua news

[2007-07-04 13::44:24] PhilippL: well, it's almost there :-)

[2007-07-04 13::44:49] ismael_: i made listboxes more aqua

[2007-07-04 13::44:59] ericb2: ismael_: great !

[2007-07-04 13::46:17] shaunmcdonald: 4. aquafilepicker01 integration

[2007-07-04 13::46:21] ismael_: i also reviewed my patch for aqua tabs and i plan to commit it, only the part of drawing of tabs not the part which replace several lines of tabs by a listbox

[2007-07-04 13::46:49] PhilippL: ismael_: +1

[2007-07-04 13::46:56] ismael_: ericb2:yes it is a bit long as i modified a lots of parts of listboxes

[2007-07-04 13::47:35] ericb2: ismael_: another thing you did, and I found very interesting, was how you solved the "bold" tab issue. Good work

[2007-07-04 13::48:01] ismael_: but this patch concerns not only the macport but at least gnome ooo

[2007-07-04 13::48:55] ericb2: PhilippL: what do you think for gnome part ?

[2007-07-04 13::48:57] ismael_: although it may profit to other platforms?

[2007-07-04 13::49:29] PhilippL: ericb2: The gnome part is pretty localized and also an improvement, so I think its good.

[2007-07-04 13::51:16] ericb2: ismael_: you can commit it, and if ever we discover something to change, we have the time with aquavcl02

[2007-07-04 13::51:43] ismael_: ericb2: so i commit it to aquavcl02?

[2007-07-04 13::52:00] ericb2: ismael_: yes

[2007-07-04 13::52:07] ismael_: ericb2: ok

[2007-07-04 13::52:10] ericb2: ismael_: aquavcl01 is closed, and nominated

[2007-07-04 13::52:17] ismael_: ericb2: and what about for gnome?

[2007-07-04 13::52:56] PhilippL: ismael_: commit it to aquavcl02, also. If aquavcl02 doesn't make it into 2.3, then we can merge the change over to some other CWS.

[2007-07-04 13::53:17] ismael_: PhilippL: ok

[2007-07-04 13::55:28] ericb2: to close the point, I'll propose, for next meeting, or once Pavel will be back, to define clear objectives for aquavcl02

[2007-07-04 13::59:18] PhilippL: next point ?

[2007-07-04 14::00:25] shaunmcdonald: 4. aquafilepicker01 integration

[2007-07-04 14::04:00] ericb2: I think only Florian Heckl can answer. Currently they are open issues

[2007-07-04 14::05:46] shaunmcdonald: ericb2: ok

[2007-07-04 14::05:56] IZBot: porting DEFECT STARTED P2 OOo crashes upon clicking Finish in database wizard with Native File Picker http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77843

[2007-07-04 14::06:08] PhilippL: I propose to begin Cocoa transition.

[2007-07-04 14::06:12] mod__: just wants to mention, that the good news was in German media, stating that the port is making huge progress

[2007-07-04 14::06:24] shaunmcdonald: mod__: great

[2007-07-04 14::06:30] sunrayjogi: PhilippL: You have fun with the Mac, haven't you? .-)

[2007-07-04 14::06:31] PhilippL: Anything we do now in carbon will need to be converted to cocoa else.

[2007-07-04 14::06:43] ericb2: PhilippL: ok. Noticed

[2007-07-04 14::07:59] hdu_hh: I suggest to use aquavcl02 to make Aqua2.3 usable, then do the Cocoa transition

[2007-07-04 14::08:02] ericb2: PhilippL: the most urgent is to define clearly what we do : wrap ObjC or use objc++ directly

[2007-07-04 14::09:02] shaunmcdonald: making ooo useable is most important

[2007-07-04 14::09:05] ericb2: PhilippL: I think hdu_hh proposal is a good idea

[2007-07-04 14::09:27] shaunmcdonald: later do the transition to cocoa, say in aquavcl03

[2007-07-04 14::09:28] PhilippL: me not. We'll have to postpone accessibility implementation then.

[2007-07-04 14::10:01] shaunmcdonald: then thereafter, we can look into other things like scriptability

[2007-07-04 14::10:14] sunrayjogi: who will fix issue 79212

[2007-07-04 14::10:16] shaunmcdonald: PhilippL: anything new will be done in Cocoa

[2007-07-04 14::10:19] IZBot: porting PATCH NEW P3 testtool crashes with native aqua menues http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79212

[2007-07-04 14::10:43] PhilippL: shaunmcdonald: Which will be exactly nothing unless we start to make cocoa useable.

[2007-07-04 14::11:09] shaunmcdonald: PhilippL: are we that far through the implementation already?

[2007-07-04 14::11:24] ericb2: PhilippL: we have deep changes, starting with window, frame and events

[2007-07-04 14::11:47] PhilippL: ericb2: yes, exactly, and the longer we wait the worse the change gets.

[2007-07-04 14::12:32] ericb2: PhilippL: can drag and drop we implemented without Cocoa. This is imho the only basic missing feature

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[2007-07-04 14::13:16] PhilippL: ericb2: I don't think so. What would we do with tem ?

[2007-07-04 14::13:26] hdu_hh: ericb2: click on document => OOo opens the document would be a basic feature too

[2007-07-04 14::13:41] shaunmcdonald: do we have a list of this is implemented, and this needs to be implemented in the future?

[2007-07-04 14::13:42] ericb2: hdu_hh: does the attached patch work ?

[2007-07-04 14::14:08] shaunmcdonald: hdu_hh: I think that can be done without cocoa?

[2007-07-04 14::14:13] ericb2: s/newt/newt/

[2007-07-04 14::14:30] hdu_hh: the AppleEvents are a Carbon thing

[2007-07-04 14::14:37] shaunmcdonald: ericb2: then we can push each item into a aquavcl0X release

[2007-07-04 14::14:59] ericb2: hdu_hh: right

[2007-07-04 14::15:41] hdu_hh: shaunmacdonald: they probably can, but the APIs are documented in the Carbon section

[2007-07-04 14::15:45] PhilippL: just another thing that needs to be redone.

[2007-07-04 14::16:05] hdu_hh: maybe they'll deprecate them too sooner or later

[2007-07-04 14::16:31] sunrayjogi: hdu_hh: Apple often deprecate things, like processor types :-)

[2007-07-04 14::16:44] ericb2: hdu_hh: unfortunaly , I think so

[2007-07-04 14::17:12] sunrayjogi: PhilippL: Is it possible to mix Cocoa and Carbon?

[2007-07-04 14::17:20] PhilippL: sunrayjogi: yes.

[2007-07-04 14::17:46] sunrayjogi: PhilippL: So we only have to define which part needs to be written in Cocoa... the rest can be used as it is?

[2007-07-04 14::17:55] mav_eric: Even without beeing a developer it seems reasonable to make the transistion to Cocoa early enough so that we don't have a final Carbon app needing to ported to Cocoa in full

[2007-07-04 14::18:22] PhilippL: sunrayjogi: The problem is that Carbon UI is deprecated nowadays.

[2007-07-04 14::18:34] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: it can be used but not in 64bit

[2007-07-04 14::18:48] sunrayjogi: PhilippL: I know

[2007-07-04 14::18:49] mav_eric: 64bit - is strictly cocoa and carbon will be frozen at the current stat

[2007-07-04 14::19:39] sunrayjogi: mav_eric: I am very interested what M$ will do with their old Carbon app ....

[2007-07-04 14::20:00] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: i assume they rewrote parts of MSO 2008 in Cocoa

[2007-07-04 14::20:13] ericb2: sunrayjogi: you can belive me : Microsfot has resources

[2007-07-04 14::20:15] mav_eric: they may have faced the same problem we're now facing but may have known earlier

[2007-07-04 14::20:30] ericb2: sunrayjogi: 180 developers are working for the next Mac Office version

[2007-07-04 14::20:43] mav_eric: ok. were just 178 behind :-)

[2007-07-04 14::20:48] ExLachs: sunrayjogi, issue 79212 has a patch attached. can someone try it?

[2007-07-04 14::20:55] IZBot: porting PATCH NEW P3 testtool crashes with native aqua menues http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79212

[2007-07-04 14::21:21] ericb2: Can we define priorities ?

[2007-07-04 14::22:56] mav_eric: my proposal: 1. new features - Cocoa only

[2007-07-04 14::23:56] ismael_: FYI, mikesic is working on a cocoa spellchecker

[2007-07-04 14::23:59] mav_eric: 3. if necessary features freeze until the move to Cocoa is done

[2007-07-04 14::24:24] ismael_: so "cocoa transition" has already started in a certain way

[2007-07-04 14::24:25] hdu_hh: mav_eric: 4. have a usable AquaOOo 2.3

[2007-07-04 14::24:41] ericb2: proposes something different : 1) what is needed

[2007-07-04 14::24:51] mav_eric: hdu_hh: could be a nice side effect :-)

[2007-07-04 14::24:56] ericb2: 1) define a limit for current port

[2007-07-04 14::24:56] PhilippL: mav_eric: Some things will not be moved to Cocoa since they do not exist there example: HITheme API. But I think there shouldn't be many more.

[2007-07-04 14::25:22] mav_eric: PhilippL: so this needs to be redone in Cocoa once Carbon is "gone"

[2007-07-04 14::25:26] shaunmcdonald: hopes the new spell checker will be better than the Mac OS X spell checker, which removes the underline when you are editing a mis-spelled word

[2007-07-04 14::25:32] ericb2: PhilippL: we have code for HIView ( at least we don't start from scratch)

[2007-07-04 14::26:04] PhilippL: mav_eric: There are two possibilities: 1. Apple implements a theme API for Cocoa, too ( a radar issue exists for that )

[2007-07-04 14::27:14] ericb2: PhilippL: about HITheme, my sources told me : No ( but maybe my sources are not good .. )

[2007-07-04 14::27:23] mav_eric: PhilippL: O.k. so some things need to stay carbon while the long evolution is gone?

[2007-07-04 14::27:27] ismael_: shaunmcdonald: it will be the native mac os spellchecker

[2007-07-04 14::27:32] PhilippL: mav_eric: yes.

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[2007-07-04 14::27:58] PhilippL: mav_eric: However our AquaSalFrame should move to Cocoa so the Accessibilty implementation can base on that.

[2007-07-04 14::28:00] mav_eric: PhilippL: O.K. this even sounds to me as a no coder good

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[2007-07-04 14::28:24] ericb2: FYI, what is currently missing :

[2007-07-04 14::28:52] PhilippL: ericb2: multi display support, plugins, applets, tons of stuff ;-)

[2007-07-04 14::28:59] ericb2: PhilippL: later

[2007-07-04 14::29:59] mav_eric: PhilippL: ericb2 is right. First we need to cover the 10% of the basic features mosten used

[2007-07-04 14::30:42] PhilippL: We don't reach beta quality until we are feature complete.

[2007-07-04 14::30:47] shaunmcdonald: muti display is important for presentations

[2007-07-04 14::30:49] PhilippL: That's basically the defintion of beta.

[2007-07-04 14::31:14] shaunmcdonald: thought applets within ooo had been disabled a long time ago due to security

[2007-07-04 14::31:19] PhilippL: However you are of course right, that aquavcl02 should not be feature complete yet.

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[2007-07-04 14::31:31] mav_eric: PhilippL: so you want an "old school" beta?

[2007-07-04 14::31:51] PhilippL: mav_eric: I wouldn't call what we have now or after aquavcl02 a "beta"

[2007-07-04 14::32:00] mav_eric: PhilippL: agreed

[2007-07-04 14::32:11] ericb2: PhilippL: aquavcl0" can be created now if you want, and in parallel, becaue experimental. and if ever progress are fast, we could modify our timeline

[2007-07-04 14::32:22] PhilippL: mav_eric: A beta should basically be reached when OOo 3.0 gets "beta", which is somewhen next year ?

[2007-07-04 14::32:35] mav_eric: PhilippL: yes. There is a wiki page about this.

[2007-07-04 14::32:48] ericb2: meant aquavlc03 could be created

[2007-07-04 14::32:50] shaunmcdonald: a plugin for web browsers would be good as linux and windows has that

[2007-07-04 14::33:01] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: later, this is gadget

[2007-07-04 14::33:11] shaunmcdonald: the beta for ooo 3.0 is the start of next year

[2007-07-04 14::33:13] ericb2: shaunmcdonald: compared to drag and drop

[2007-07-04 14::33:46] shaunmcdonald: ericb2: of course, it is on a "later" list

[2007-07-04 14::34:10] ericb2: Can we summarize ?

[2007-07-04 14::34:26] obr: thinks webbrowser plugin should be done with xslt transforms (also on other platforms)

[2007-07-04 14::34:33] shaunmcdonald: ooo 2.0 feature freeze is march 2008 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30

[2007-07-04 14::37:29] ericb2: I propose :

[2007-07-04 14::37:48] PhilippL: ok, let's do that

[2007-07-04 14::37:54] ericb2: both cws can start today

[2007-07-04 14::38:12] PhilippL: aquavcl02 is running already.

[2007-07-04 14::38:34] hdu_hh: +1 from me too

[2007-07-04 14::38:48] ericb2: PhilippL: yes :)

[2007-07-04 14::40:26] shaunmcdonald: wonders what happens with changes in 1 CWS affecting/causing conflict with the other

[2007-07-04 14::40:34] sunrayjogi: will like it to see the old "interface builder" from NeXT again ;-)

[2007-07-04 14::41:11] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: doesn't it kind of still exist in the Interface Builder?

[2007-07-04 14::41:25] sunrayjogi: hdu_hh: issue 79212 has a patch - could you add it to aquavcl02?

[2007-07-04 14::41:30] ericb2: Next point ?

[2007-07-04 14::41:35] IZBot: porting PATCH NEW P3 testtool crashes with native aqua menues http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79212

[2007-07-04 14::41:53] sunrayjogi: mav_eric: ?

[2007-07-04 14::42:11] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: With the developer tools there is an app called "Interface Builder" installed

[2007-07-04 14::42:38] sunrayjogi: sunrayjogi: yes, it makes no sense to use it in carbon AFAIK; Its for Cocoa apps

[2007-07-04 14::42:51] hdu_hh: ericb2: will do

[2007-07-04 14::43:05] sunrayjogi: mav_eric: we're on the way to Cocoa, so maybe it will make sense to have a look at it - after many years of abstinence

[2007-07-04 14::43:25] shaunmcdonald: 6. testtool and its packaging in the application bundle

[2007-07-04 14::43:27] sunrayjogi: has started with NEXTSTEP

[2007-07-04 14::43:34] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: That's a descision to be made by the devs and they seem to favour other ways

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[2007-07-04 14::45:00] hdu_hh: sunrayjogi: will do

[2007-07-04 14::45:38] sunrayjogi: hdu_hh: fine... on friday I will have self-made schoko crossies for my devs :-) (if my daughter won't eat them all)

[2007-07-04 14::46:00] hdu_hh: sunrayjogi: mmmh :-)

[2007-07-04 14::46:10] sunrayjogi: mav_eric: we will see... I haven't seen a GUI designer for VCL....

[2007-07-04 14::46:14] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: I once was able to modify and existing GUI and it was pretty self explaining

[2007-07-04 14::46:33] ericb2: Next point ? :-)

[2007-07-04 14::46:41] mav_eric: sunrayjogi: we should get rid of vcl ;-)

[2007-07-04 14::46:56] PhilippL: sunrayjogi: I wouldn't bereave your daughter of chocolate :-)

[2007-07-04 14::47:05] hdu_hh: mav_eric: where is the patch?

[2007-07-04 14::47:17] sunrayjogi: hdu_hh: -> ask Gregor

[2007-07-04 14::47:18] ericb2: hdu_hh: ;)

[2007-07-04 14::47:38] sunrayjogi: ExLachs: PATCH?

[2007-07-04 14::47:39] mav_eric: hdu_hh: no idea?

[2007-07-04 14::48:02] hdu_hh: mav_eric: the patch to replace vcl with something better ;-)

[2007-07-04 14::48:05] shaunmcdonald: 6. testtool and its packaging in the application bundle

[2007-07-04 14::48:22] mav_eric: hdu_hh: hmm. Nowhere.

[2007-07-04 14::48:56] sunrayjogi: hdu_hh: see attachment from gh - there is the patch

[2007-07-04 14::48:58] ExLachs: sunrayjogi, second attachment to issue 79212

[2007-07-04 14::49:09] sunrayjogi: ExLachs: jaja ;-)

[2007-07-04 14::49:13] hdu_hh: sunrayjogi: ok

[2007-07-04 14::49:14] IZBot: porting PATCH NEW P3 testtool crashes with native aqua menues http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79212

[2007-07-04 14::49:34] sunrayjogi: shaunmcdonald: is it important?

[2007-07-04 14::49:39] ExLachs: but I couldn't try it so first test please

[2007-07-04 14::49:46] sunrayjogi: shaunmcdonald: There is a need for us that it can be run.

[2007-07-04 14::50:14] shaunmcdonald: sunrayjogi: it doesn't matter if testtool uses native aqua menus

[2007-07-04 14::50:17] sunrayjogi: hdu_hh: you have read Gregors words ? TEST ... :-)

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[2007-07-04 14::50:35] shaunmcdonald: sunrayjogi: in theory we could disable them for testtool

[2007-07-04 14::50:52] sunrayjogi: shaunmcdonald: I did so. I do not want that.

[2007-07-04 14::51:05] ExLachs: sunrayjogi, hdu_hh have to go now

[2007-07-04 14::51:09] shaunmcdonald: sunrayjogi: I mean disable at compile time

[2007-07-04 14::51:36] sunrayjogi: shaunmcdonald: I would like to test what we will see and not something special...

[2007-07-04 14::52:14] shaunmcdonald: sunrayjogi: is it just testtool that has the problem, or is it the full ooo too?

[2007-07-04 14::52:27] hdu_hh: sunrayjogi: yes

[2007-07-04 14::52:33] ExLachs: it seem as it the livemenu tries to read the appmenu which is updated by the currently displayed document. This happens while the document is still in corntructor this it fails.

[2007-07-04 14::52:40] sunrayjogi: shaunmcdonald: -> ask the creator of TT not me (ExLachs)

[2007-07-04 14::53:05] shaunmcdonald: currently thinks it is just the testtool app that has the problem and not the main ooo app when running tests

[2007-07-04 14::53:38] ExLachs: seems to be TT only, but sunrayjogi should know about OOo. just reset the env variable before starting OOo and you will see.

[2007-07-04 14::54:33] sunrayjogi: ExLachs: I will give it a try

[2007-07-04 14::54:59] ExLachs: ok gone now!!

[2007-07-04 14::55:17] hdu_hh: ExLachs: bye!

[2007-07-04 14::55:27] sunrayjogi: ExLachs: cul8er

[2007-07-04 14::58:59] ericb2: Next point ?

[2007-07-04 14::59:03] mav_eric: o.k. guys. I'll have to do some work. I'll read the log. If it's urgent ping me.

[2007-07-04 14::59:07] ericb2: will have to go

[2007-07-04 14::59:44] PhilippL: same time next week ?

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[2007-07-04 15::00:55] ericb2: +1 for same time next week

[2007-07-04 15::03:06] sunrayjogi: +1