Log Mac Meeting 18 May 2007

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[22:01] <CerebrosuS> 22 h -Berlin Time-

[22:01] <CerebrosuS> *smile*

[22:01] <paveljanik> ;-)

[22:02] <CerebrosuS> So i will start

[22:02] <CerebrosuS> i

[22:02] <CerebrosuS> i'm cerebrosus

[22:02] <CerebrosuS> can call me christian

[22:02] * Bi-noix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[22:03] <CerebrosuS> i'm a new developer and will try to support your ooo port to mac

[22:03] <CerebrosuS> at time i'm learning about the structure of vcl and how i works

[22:04] <CerebrosuS> so that's all this time, ... from my point

[22:04] <paveljanik> CerebrosuS: thanks and welcome :-)

[22:04] <CerebrosuS> thx

[22:05] <paveljanik> other developers?

[22:05] <paveljanik> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Port_Meetings#Next_Meeting

[22:06] <paveljanik> shaunmcdonald: ping?

[22:06] <CerebrosuS> and we learn from the ccc : just judge someone from the action he does and not from his look religion and nationality

[22:06] <ybart> CerebrosuS: welcome

[22:06] <paveljanik> ericb2: ping?

[22:06] <CerebrosuS> so no comment about that lol

[22:07] <CerebrosuS> thx ybart

[22:08] <ismael_> ChanServ:

[22:08] <ismael_> che

[22:08] <ismael_> CerebrosuS: welcome

[22:08] <CerebrosuS> thx

[22:08] <ismael_> (sorry for the completion problems)

[22:09] <ericb2> good evening

[22:09] <ericb2> sorry, I was doing other things :)

[22:10] <CerebrosuS> np

[22:11] <ericb2> CerebrosuS: have you Carbon / C++ knowledge ?

[22:12] <CerebrosuS> ;) no carbonat this, just learning about that, but qt, gtk, mfc and other interfaces so i hope it will be fast to get the knowledge

[22:12] <CerebrosuS> but c++ and ooo for round 9 years

[22:13] <ericb2> CerebrosuS: sure you will be fast

[22:13] <paveljanik> CerebrosuS: OOo for ~9 years? ;-)

[22:13] <CerebrosuS> java too, ... but i thought it won't be such important

[22:13] <CerebrosuS> oh sry

[22:13] <CerebrosuS> oop

[22:13] <CerebrosuS> lol

[22:13] <paveljanik> ;-)

[22:14] <ericb2> CerebrosuS: you'll be our Java guru ;)

[22:14] <CerebrosuS> o0

[22:14] <CerebrosuS> no one could prog in java?

[22:15] <ericb2> CerebrosuS: several Sunnies are able to prog in Java on the channel I guess ;)

[22:15] <CerebrosuS> ok hehe

[22:16] <CerebrosuS> it the best joice for oop so everyone should learn it ;)

[22:16] <ericb2> Other devs want to present themselves ?

[22:18] <CerebrosuS> no one? not so much

[22:19] <ericb2> Ok, Next point ?

[22:19] <CerebrosuS> last aqua new / work in progress

[22:20] * CerebrosuS is listening

[22:20] * ericb2 updated the changelog : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb#Changelog

[22:21] <ericb2> With all the last progress we did, I declared Alpha 0.9 started

[22:21] <CerebrosuS> ok

[22:21] <ericb2> Current status of Top 10 of issues is : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb/Top10_of_Issues

[22:22] <ericb2> for issue 73688 , I think Herbert fixed it

[22:22] <IZBot> porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01->use default system font instead of helvetica in aqua http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi? id=73688

[22:22] <mav_eric> looks impressive.

[22:22] <ericb2> he will confirm

[22:22] <CerebrosuS> sure

[22:23] <mav_eric> and we did a lot of progress since announcing top ten

[22:23] <ericb2> paveljanik: no recent Aqua news ?

[22:23] <ericb2> ismael_: ?

[22:24] <ismael_> ericb2: i haven't done a lot of things these last days

[22:24] <ismael_> ericb2: i read documentation about HIViews and HIobject for my GSOC

[22:25] <ismael_> i started coding a bit salnativewidget.cxx

[22:25] <mav_eric> ericb2: what about your latest patch that starts and helps us solves some important refreshing issues

[22:25] <paveljanik> no, IIRC not that I remember ;-)

[22:25] <ericb2> issue 77450

[22:25] <IZBot> porting DEFECT RESOLVED FIXED Add Aqua theme for Toolbars http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77450

[22:26] <ericb2> now toolbars use Aqua theme

[22:26] <ericb2> issue 77451

[22:26] <IZBot> porting DEFECT NEW Add Aqua theme for Tooltips ( Apple name : " help tags") http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77451

[22:26] <ericb2> I have tried to add tooltips, but I'm not arrived

[22:27] <ericb2> paveljanik: what about commit http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/patches/salnativewidgets/may_2007/tooltips/ aqua_tooltips_first_try.diff

[22:27] <ericb2> paveljanik: after clean up ( remove delay too )

[22:30] <ericb2> Lastly, I have found something - IMHO - very interesting for the refresh

[22:30] <ericb2> See : http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=5361

[22:32] <CerebrosuS> did i understand ist right that the sal classes is the interface between the port and application?

[22:32] <CerebrosuS> -s

[22:32] <CerebrosuS> s/is/are/

[22:32] <CerebrosuS> hmpf

[22:33] <ericb2> did somebody test my code ?

[22:33] <mav_eric> ericb2: yes. I played a bit with the OOo that contained your code and I was able to really use the aqua version for the first time

[22:34] <ericb2> mav_eric: good :)

[22:34] <mav_eric> ericb2: I experienced no crashes while doing some smal editings on my application etc

[22:34] <paveljanik> ericb2: yup, I'll have a look at all patches hopefully during weekend.

[22:34] <mav_eric> ericb2: in general Aqua OOo is much more stable now then it was back when I tested it the last - that was m208 I think

[22:34] <ericb2> paveljanik: thanks :)

[22:34] <ybart> ericb2: However, we have crashes in applications such as Base...

[22:35] <ybart> ericb2: But it's not related to your specific changes IMHO

[22:35] <ericb2> ybart I didn't test Base.

[22:35] <mav_eric> ybart: that's right. But I only worked with Writer and opened a spreadshet and an presentation

[22:35] <ericb2> ybart I know Impress has a problem with Text (not diplayed)

[22:35] <ybart> ericb2: We should have a look there sooner or later...

[22:35] <mav_eric> ybart: I didn't try base

[22:36] <ericb2> ybart refresh, fonts and missing methods/functions first

[22:36] <ybart> ericb2: Of course

[22:36] <paveljanik> BTW - I have added aqua builds to my regular uploads, because many people here in CZ asked me for them.

[22:37] <ericb2> mikesic wanted to propose something for the missing methods

[22:37] <paveljanik> http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/AQUA/SRC680_m211/Build-1/

[22:37] <ericb2> paveljanik: means we start to provide pre-alpha ?

[22:37] <paveljanik> if we want to ;-)

[22:38] <ybart> Yaeah ! Great news...

[22:38] <paveljanik> better not hide where we are...

[22:38] <mav_eric> maybe we should start versioning with 0.0.1 ;-)

[22:38] <ybart> :-P

[22:38] <ericb2> paveljanik: I think we can just provide pre-alpha, without announce them

[22:38] <mav_eric> ericb2: they will get discovered sooner or later

[22:38] <ismael_> ericb2: and announce when we'll have an alpha

[22:39] <mav_eric> what won't be that far into future since we're already at alpha 0.9

[22:39] <ybart> I think it's a good idea to tell the world...

[22:39] * ericb2 provides experimental versions at http://ftp.cusoo.org/MacOSX/INTEL/native_10.4.4/

[22:39] <ericb2> ismael_: exactly

[22:39] <CerebrosuS> guys i'm sry, i have to go, ... i will watch the TODO Task tomorrow, ... so have a nice evening

[22:39] * ericb2 afraid by the bandwidth

[22:39] <CerebrosuS> cu tomorrow

[22:39] <ericb2> CerebrosuS: cu

[22:40] <mav_eric> CerebrosuS: good night

[22:40] <ismael_> mav_eric: yes, but only by concerned people, not by everybody and especially people who don't understant it is a pre-alpha

[22:40] <ybart> CerebrosuS: see you

[22:40] * CerebrosuS is now known as cere_notAv

[22:40] <ybart> ericb2: bandwodth problem => buzz !

[22:40] <mav_eric> ismael_: you're right but I think we can communicate it the right way even to end users

[22:40] <paveljanik> ftp.linux.cz doesn't have bandwidth problems 8)

[22:41] <ismael_> mav_eric: i don't know what is the best

[22:41] <mav_eric> ismael_: being honest? :-)

[22:41] <ericb2> ybart the server hosting my build is strong enough, but Mac users are .. hmm

[22:41] <ybart> IMHO sooner or later doesn't really matters

[22:41] <ismael_> mav_eric: ;-)

[22:42] * ericb2 is proud to see were we are now

[22:42] <ybart> ericb2: I know but should you provide alpha or pre-alpha, the result will the almost the same :-)

[22:42] <ericb2> ybart sure

[22:42] <mav_eric> the only problem I see is the version number

[22:42] <paveljanik> this is the development snapshot, not alpha.

[22:42] <ybart> ericb2: You will have both happy and unhappy users

[22:42] <mav_eric> 2.3.0 sounds like we have an already full working aqua version

[22:42] <ericb2> ybart as usual :)

[22:42] <ericb2> mav_eric: no, fonts issues, refresh issues

[22:43] <ericb2> mav_eric: once fixed, ok

[22:43] <mav_eric> ericb2: I know but the version number implicates that

[22:43] <ybart> ericb2: mav_eric said about version numbering

[22:43] <ybart> mav_eric: You're true, maybe we should use another versioning scheme until beta

[22:43] <ericb2> other news about code

[22:43] <mav_eric> ericb2: in open-source it is kind of common to release an alpha being 0.1 or something and not 2.1

[22:44] <mav_eric> or 2.3

[22:44] <ericb2> mav_eric: I wrote alpha 0.9 is ork in progress in my wiki page  ;)

[22:44] <ericb2> work in progress, sorry

[22:44] * shaunmcdonald has just woke up from nap

[22:44] <ybart> May be a good versioning scheme will be to just provide the build date

[22:44] <mav_eric> ericb2: that's O.K. but the dmg has 2.3.0

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