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The 1st IRC meeting 2009-03-21

Agenda

  1. How to get more QA and L10N TCM testers for quick and stable releases
  2. Possibilities of OpenOffice.org Regional Conference in Asia
  3. Benefits of the group in general
  4. More coordinators for the group
  5. Next IRC meeting

Attendees

  • Aijin Kim
  • Lin, Cheng
  • Jeongkyu Kim
  • Kazunari Hirano
  • Katsuya Kobayashi
  • Li Heng
  • Nakata, Maho
  • Peter Junge
  • Sophie Gautier

Minutes

  1. How to get more QA and L10N TCM testers for quick and stable releases
    1. Status
      1. KO status: Had 4 testers for 3.0. Everybody in Korean community is volunteer. Aijin run test in l10n TCM but ko community could not do 3.1 L10n testing through TCM. Instead, 3 testers including Jeongkyu had done basic testing outside of TCM.
      2. ZH status: Got about 10 testers in 3.0 and 3.1. Most of testers are from Beijing Redflag CH2000. Could get near 10 volunteers but often they can't be available during testing period. Sun G11N team not always participate in release processes but Sun people actually run tests on Solaris platform.
      3. JA status: Got four testers with two QA managers (one manger was a tester). JA proejct has a very good tester, matuaki-san who always publishes his results when RC's are available. Sun G11N team works with all OSS products of Sun and not always participates in release processes. The number of participant was about 20 for l10n TCM. JA Lead asked Naoyuki (Sun) to publish an announcement which should contain all relevant infomation on L10N TCM.
      4. FR status: There is between 10 and 15 testers, depends on the period, they are all volunteers. They report issue they meet during testing on fr qa list.
    2. We need More Testers? Questions & Discussion
      1. Will more testers really help quick and stable releases? How to finish the test is more important for helping releases. Following the mailing lists, the current problems seem mostly be before QA. The first step is to have more testers for RCs, then we will be able to attract them also for testing DEV release and have more testers earlier in the QA process. This might be the problem because large testting effort starting at RCs is probably too late. Too late for the release, but it allows to build a group. RCs are less frightening than DEV releases.
      2. How do we OOo community call for more volunteers? Or how about marketing? How to get more people to know OOo? Can we share our marketing idea? When building RedOffice from OOo, testers often find much more bugs, but many of bugs can't be solved quickly so that More developers are needed! All software is same, but we need only decide which bugs must be solved.
    3. How to get more testers and developers. We share our experience.
      1. It's important to get some testers who can continueously participate.
      2. On the marketing side, l10n testing could be directed to trainers (people who give lessons on OOo practice) because they have to know about new features for their work.
      3. ZH has translated OOo 3.1 new feature in Chinese and posted in zh project and JA is doing the same on the wiki.
      4. ZH has set up Chinese OOo forum.
      5. We share our experience, our practice, and what tools like the announce list, wiki, forum and others we use to promote QA testing on the com@native-lang.openoffice.org
  2. OpenOffice.org Regional Conference in Asia
    1. Cheng and Peter proposed it should be held after OOoCon 2009 Orvieto.
    2. They gave us reasons that RegioCon should be not too close to OOoCon, we need enough time to find topics for RegiCon, and if we have it before OOoCon 2009 Orvieto it's not so much time to organize it.
    3. 2010 spring would be a good time and we could have "RegiCon in spring, OOoCon in autumn," this would be a good frequency for the future. We all agreed :)
    4. Jeongkyu would like to host RegiCon Asia 2010 Spring in Seoul and no one objected but we all applauded :)
    5. We all agreed to start discussion planning "RegiCon Asia 2010 Spring in Seoul" on com@native-lang.openoffice.org
  3. Benefits of the Group
    1. The question was "Have the Group helped group member projects such as zh, ko, ja projects?" Answers were "Yes!" :)
    2. Because we can share common issues. CJK has many common layout and align feature.
    3. 'cjk' keyword are used in IssueTracker. We can make use of it.
    4. Issue 84405 "meta issue to track issues discovered by RedFlag2000 QA" is worth tracking.
    5. Sundongmei from RedOffice helps implement grid layout.
    6. We should ask on the list to try to make other Groups share their experience.
  4. More coodinators
    1. Aijin asked Hirano to define the role of coordinator. Hirano tried to define, CJK group coordinators "coordinate," "Coordinate" means getting touch with member project leads, listening to their needs, taking up issues and putting them on agenda, and leading discussion, For example, organizing the wiki, IRC meetings, raising issues on the mailing lists and so on.
    2. Current coordinator, Hirano, asked for help and good idea to organize and update the wiki page and make it more informative and helpful for group member projects.
    3. More CJK group coordinators are needed to organize OOoRegiCon Asia 2010 Spring in Seoul.
    4. Aijin suggested we may need to call for volunteers (to be a CJK group coordinator) in each lang team.
  5. Next Meeting
    1. Sophie gave Hirano an idea of using a meeting organizer

AI (Action Items) and Progress

  1. Get more QA and L10N TCM testers
    1. Maho will share his JA QA experience and practice on the list.
    2. Sophie will share her FR QA experience and ideas such as "trainers" on the list.
  2. OpenOffice.org Regional Conference in Asia
    1. Hirano will initiate discussion on RegiCon Asia 2010 Spring in Seoul on com@native-lang.openoffice.org --> done
  3. Benefits of the Group
    1. Hirano will find a way to make other Groups share their experience.
  4. More Coordinators for the CJK group
    1. Hirano will ask Jeongkyu to call for volunteers in ko community. --> personal email sent on 20090402 Japan Time :) --> Jeongkyu called at ml, forum and blog.
    2. Cheng will call for volunteers in zh community. --> done, thanks, Lin Cheng :)
    3. Maho will call for volunteers in ja community.
  5. Next Meeting
    1. Hirano will propose "Date and Time" --> Poll: The 2nd OpenOffice.org CJK Group IRC Meeting created
    2. Hirano will initiate discussion to fix "Date and Time" on com@native-lang.openoffice.org --> done

The 2nd IRC meeting 2009-04-00

Agenda

  1. AAA
  2. BBB
  3. CCC
  4. DDD
  5. EEE

Attendees

  • AAA
  • BBB
  • CCC
  • DDD
  • EEE
  • FFF

Minutes

  • AAA
  • BBB
  • CCC
  • DDD
  • EEE
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