Log Mac Meeting 20th April 2007

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[22:01] <ericb2> Can we start the meeting ?

[22:03] <ismael_> lets start

[22:03] <ericb2> 1. Welcome to Google Sommer of Code 2007 devs

[22:04] <ericb2> we are lucky this year : two students will contribute for the Mac port, during the SoC 2007

[22:05] <ericb2> this first topic has been choosen to welcome them

[22:06] <ericb2> ismael_: Cremlae can you please present yourself briefly ?

[22:06] <plipli> let s go Cremlae ;-)

[22:06] <Cremlae> Sure!

[22:06] <Cremlae> I am not sure what to say still.

[22:07] <Cremlae> I'll be working on the integration of the Mac OS X Address Book into OpenOffice.org.

[22:07] <Cremlae> I'm a recent graduate of the Colorado College, and I'll be attending UCLA next year, in their PhD program.

[22:08] <Cremlae> I'm very excited because I have never before contributed to an open source project before, and I can't wait for the summer to begin.

[22:09] <Cremlae> How is that?

[22:09] <plipli> OK

[22:10] <plipli> Cremlae: you ll be on rail very wuikcly, don t worry

[22:10] <Cremlae> plipli: Thank you for the encouragement :)

[22:11] <ericb2> Cremlae: excellent. what is your first opinion abotu the Mac port of OpenOffice.org ( I'll ask again at the end of SoC ;) )

[22:13] <Cremlae> ericb2: A good question. I've only been listening on the mailing list briefly, so I can't talk much about the development of it, but as a user, I have been awaiting the release of the native port for a long time. I rarely use the current version (using X11), if only because I have to get used to the different key-bindings of other PCs.

[22:14] <Cremlae> ericb2: As for the community, so far everyone has been extremely nice :)

[22:14] <ericb2> Cremlae: thank you :)

[22:15] <ericb2> Cremlae: I'm sure you'll test the aqua verson soon. Of course, there is a lot of work, but this is the begining

[22:15] <ericb2> s/verson/version/

[22:16] <Cremlae> ericb2: It's exciting to be a part of that "lot of work" :)

[22:18] <ericb2> Cremlae: I remember I fxied some Mozilla adress book bugs, and I have some infos where some relevant code can be. But there is no guarantee :)

[22:18] <ericb2> Cremlae: OpenOffice.org code is .. ocean of code

[22:20] <Cremlae> ericb2: Thanks! I'll try not to bother you too much, but if I find that I am struggling, it's good to know someone who has looked at that area of the code.

[22:22] <ismael_> It's now time to present my self: I'm a student at INSA of Lyon (France). I'm 19.

[22:22] <ismael_> I'll be working on implementing aqua controls, continuing the work ericb2 started

[22:23] <ismael_> i'm very excited too, because the GSOC is a great experience

[22:25] <ericb2> ismael_: to complete a bit, you are present in the Team since some time, and are already a DomainDeveloper .. and contributing very good things !

[22:25] <ericb2> About aqua controls : to be more correct, several people worked in that area : Stephan Shaefer, Dan Williams are the original authors of this part of code. aliscafo ( alias Pierre de Filippis worked with we on it), and lastly, Pavel Janik proposed some very interresting code

[22:26] <ismael_> ericb2: yes you're right, there's also plipli who worked on HIview

[22:26] * shaunmcdonald is back

[22:26] <ericb2> ismael_: and me too ( HIComboboxes )

[22:27] <ericb2> ismael_: but for the clean code, plipli is the man :)

[22:31] <ericb2> ismael_: Cremlae , thank you very much, and let's go !

[22:31] <ericb2> next point ?

[22:32] <ericb2> 2. Latest Aqua news

[22:32] <ericb2> plipli: ?

[22:32] <ismael_> i committed a patch for mouse cursors

[22:33] <ismael_> it implements the main 18 out of 94 used cursors in OOo

[22:33] <ericb2> ismael_: 94 ? uff .. Do you think implement all will be a good thing ?

[22:33] <ismael_> the cursors are the system cursors

[22:34] <ismael_> ericb2: yes they are almost all used, so their implementation is in my opinion necessary

[22:34] <ericb2> ismael_: ok. I believe you :)

[22:35] <ericb2> ismael_: I saw you documented salfram wiki page too

[22:35] <ismael_> for most of the missing cursors, we'll have to use Cocoa code to load cursors from OOo ressources

[22:36] <ismael_> because they haven't any equivalent in the themes cursors (mac os X cursors)

[22:36] <ismael_> for more informations see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_-_Cursors

[22:36] <ericb2> ismael_: feel free to contact Florian Heckl for Cocoa issues on OpenOffice.org. I know he's got a good Cocoa knowledge

[22:36] <ismael_> by ericb2 and Yvan Barthelemy

[22:37] <ericb2> ismael_: indeed

[22:37] <ismael_> ericb2: ok

[22:37] <ericb2> other aqua news ?

[22:37] <ismael_> i have also documenta

[22:37] <ismael_> i have also documented salframe on the wiki

[22:37] <ismael_> see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_salframe

[22:38] <ismael_> this page explains how salframe works

[22:38] <ismael_> with some screenshots

[22:38] <ismael_> it is still work in progress but the main part has been written

[22:38] <ericb2> thank you very much ismael_ : this is a nice work !

[22:39] <ericb2> other Aqua news ?

[22:39] <shaunmcdonald> 3. Top 10 Status

[22:40] <ericb2> please wait :)

[22:40] <ismael_> mikesic has done a great work on fixing tooltip crashing

[22:40] <ismael_> and is nearly at a complete solution

[22:41] <ericb2> ismael_: is the patch complete and ready for commit ?

[22:41] <ismael_> IMHO, no there are still some crashes but the solution is not very far

[22:41] <ericb2> ismael_: good

[22:42] <ericb2> Lest continue with point 3 : Top 10 status

[22:42] <ericb2> from my side, 10 minutes before the meeting, I have tested a new patch for the bundle

[22:42] <mikesic> ismael_: Can you add your observations about the crashes to the issue?

[22:42] >mikesic< thanks for your work :)

[22:43] <ismael_> mikesic: tooltips appear over the others which are not hidden and them, ooo crashes

[22:43] <ismael_> s/them/then

[22:43] <ismael_> mikesic: but i didn't apply the last part of the patch concerning events

[22:44] <ismael_> mikesic: i don't know why tooltips don't disappear when the mouse leave the button

[22:45] <mikesic> ismael_: For me, they do. Maybe something in the part you didn't apply?

[22:46] <ismael_> mikesic: i will try with a clean version of salframe, because mine has the code for dialogs

[22:46] * plipli has integrated HI framework in salframe

[22:46] <ismael_> plipli: did you commit it?

[22:46] <plipli> I finally found the good apple sample to integrate HIFramework in our vcl/aqua

[22:47] <plipli> No I can t commit it becauses I did not had time to clean my first failed trial out of the code of salframe

[22:47] <ismael_> plipli: ok

[22:47] <plipli> ASA I 'll have cleaned out the previous code, I ll provide a patch to test

[22:47] <ericb2> plipli: +1

[22:48] <plipli> HIFrmaework gives many methodes/helpers to manage event for HIObjetcs : views, controls, etc

[22:48] <plipli> It will allow ismael_ towork faster

[22:48] <mikesic> plipli: That's great - I am excited to see it ;)

[22:48] <ericb2> plipli: and other ;)

[22:49] <plipli> ismael_: with thoses functions integration of controls will be easiest because of pre existing methode to set/get various information in events on HIViews controls

[22:49] <ismael_> plipli: yes, i have read a bit the documentation on HI* (HIView, HIThemes, ...)

[22:50] * plipli will go to sleep (too tired after such a week...)

[22:50] <ismael_> plipli: good night

[22:50] * plipli will read the logs tomorrow, see you later

[22:50] <plipli> good night

[22:50] <Cremlae> plipli: good night!

[22:50] <plipli> ismael_: see you monday at 17h30 at MDE ?

[22:50] <mikesic> plipli: Can you share the reference to the sample code you are using for HIView - so we can all understand it better?

[22:51] <ismael_> plipli: no problem

[22:52] <plipli> mikesic: sure, give me a sec

[22:52] <plipli> http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/HIFramework/

[22:53] <mikesic> plipli: Thanks :)

[22:53] <plipli> and http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/HIViewTest/

[22:53] <plipli> bye

[22:53] * plipli has quit ()

[22:54] <ericb2> point 3 : Top 10 status ?

[22:54] <ericb2> as I said, from my side, 10 minutes before the meeting, I have tested a new patch for the bundle

[22:54] <ericb2> this patch simply works

[22:54] <ericb2> :)

[22:54] <ericb2> but needs testers : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/i73693/no_symlink/i73693_test.diff

[22:55] <ericb2> be carefull, I'm not sure what I propose is clean at all, and those changes need Oliver and Pavel expertise

[22:55] <ericb2> concerned Top 10 issue is issue 73693

[22:56] <IZBot> porting DEFECT STARTED aquavcl01->modify Bundle tree for native version http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73693

[22:56] <ericb2> I'll add the patch on the AquaBuild page, as soon as people confirmed it works .. or not

[22:57] <ericb2> mikesic: gdb works, not Xcode, for the same exact reason Pavel script does not allow to use XCode without a hack : soffice.bin does contain a dot in the name

[22:57] <mikesic> ericb2: :)

[22:59] <ericb2> Other Top 10 relative issue : Stephan Schaefer ( alias ssa on IRC ) explained me what we should do to fix system font issues in the UI ( e.g. popup menus use an uggly font, while mani menubar uses real system fonts)

[22:59] <ericb2> I'll have a look into this part of code : SetFont () in salgdi.cxx is the key

[23:00] <ericb2> Nothing else from me about Top 10

[23:03] <shaunmcdonald> 4. Patches to be integrated (Please add here)

[23:03] <shaunmcdonald> There are none noted on the agenda

[23:06] <shaunmcdonald> 5. WWDC 2007 (weekly news)

[23:07] <ericb2> to pay everything, approximatively 1400 to 1500 euros are missing for 3 people to attend. I'll try to find a solution

[23:08] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: as you read the limit for booking is the 25 of april

[23:08] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: that is the middle of next week

[23:08] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: still in my exams

[23:08] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: FYI, I found a way the the WWDC entries, and we have to reduce the prices I sent you from 780 euros

[23:09] <ericb2> s/the the WWDC entries/to pay the WWDC entries/

[23:09] <shaunmcdonald> was going to look into booking in about a weeks time

[23:09] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: I'll try to find a solution

[23:09] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: after the 25th the prices will be higher

[23:10] <shaunmcdonald> s?/sent you from 780 euros/sent you by 780 euros

[23:10] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: thanks for the correction :)

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[23:11] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: surely if we know that we are going to have 3 people going to the conference we can purchase the conference tickets now, and look into the travel/hotel later?

[23:12] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: no need to purchase the conferences tickets

[23:12] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: ok

[23:12] >shaunmcdonald< : eTickets, like last year

[23:14] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: don't forget, for the plane, you'll have to provide an address : mandatory !

[23:14] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: for me flying from Edinburgh will probably be easier even so it means that there is a change in the US

[23:15] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: be extremaely carefull if you attend from Edimborg, and prefer complete the contract with the travel agency

[23:15] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: imagine you're late -> no way to have another plane

[23:16] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: Edimbourg -> London -> SF , more safe

[23:16] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: I have only one local bus that takes about 30 minutes to get to the airport

[23:16] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: to London airport ?

[23:16] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: I managed it for Hamburg

[23:17] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: it is up to you

[23:18] <ericb2> Other points ?

[23:18] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: To get to London is either 30 minutes into the centre of Edinburgh, then 9 hours on a coach to London or 6-7 hours to London, then at London I have to try to get to the right airport

[23:18] <shaunmcdonald> it is nearly an extra days travel

[23:18] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: I believe you

[23:19] <ericb2> Next point ?

[23:19] <shaunmcdonald> if the local bus drivers go on strike, I could walk to the airport in about 3 hours

[23:19] <ericb2> :)

[23:20] <mikesic> shaunmcdonald: If you do fly first to JFK, look at JetBlue from JFK to SFO, about $400 RT if you fly in the evening.

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[23:20] <shaunmcdonald> it wasn't JFK I was going to go through at the last check for th cheapest flights

[23:20] <mikesic> shaunmcdonald: OK

[23:23] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: it seems that flying via Atlanta is the cheapest

[23:24] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: flying with Delta Air Lines

[23:25] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: ok

[23:25] <ericb2> Other questions ?

[23:26] <shaunmcdonald> no

[23:26] <ericb2> Next meeting ?

[23:26] <shaunmcdonald> yeah

[23:26] <shaunmcdonald> next friday?

[23:26] <mikesic> ok for me

[23:27] <ericb2> +1 for me : people are more on Friday

[23:27] <Cremlae> Ok for me too, and this time works as well.

[23:27] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: +1

[23:27] <ericb2> just before to stop ...

[23:27] <damiend> ih all

[23:28] <shaunmcdonald> hi damiend

[23:28] <ericb2> Maho wrote me he setuped the MAcs, and will test the cws we completed with Tino : macosxpbuildrepair

[23:28] <ismael_> damiend: hi

[23:28] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: that is great news

[23:28] <ericb2> this means : Panther breakers are fixed for X11 version ( m209 builds fine )

[23:28] <Cremlae> damiend: Hi there!

[23:29] <ericb2> I approved the cws, waiting for integration

[23:30] <shaunmcdonald> that will keep the PAnther users happy for the time being

[23:30] <shaunmcdonald> will this CWS get into 2.2.1?

[23:30] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: what is great : fix Panther issue helped to fix one important issue in sal

[23:30] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: not officially

[23:31] <shaunmcdonald> ok

[23:32] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: but yes, 2.2.1 will replace uggly 2.1

[23:32] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: will the unofficial build be mentioned on the download page?

[23:33] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: we should discuss that point

[23:33] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: at least waiting for Leopard

[23:33] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: which is now estimated to come in October

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[23:34] <shaunmcdonald> rather than Spring 2007

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[23:37] * shaunmcdonald has changed the topic to: OpenOffice.org Mac porting team channel. Next IRC Meeting is scheduled Friday 27th April 2007 (20:00 UTC). See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXPortMeetings for the agenda. All previous Mac port meetings logs are available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Mac_Meeting_logs | http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=aqua | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer

[23:38] <ismael_> bye

[23:38] * shaunmcdonald has changed the topic to: OpenOffice.org Mac porting team channel. Next IRC Meeting: Friday 27th April 2007 (20:00 UTC). See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXPortMeetings for the agenda. All previous Mac port meetings logs are available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Mac_Meeting_logs | http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=aqua | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2007

[23:38] * shaunmcdonald has changed the topic to: OpenOffice.org Mac porting team channel. Next IRC Meeting: Friday 27th April 2007 (20:00 UTC) See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXPortMeetings for the agenda. All previous Mac port meetings logs are available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Mac_Meeting_logs | http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=aqua | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2007

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[23:39] <ericb2> The log is available : ( Ill complete in one minute )

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