Community Council Log 20100121
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Community Council IRC Log 20100121
Attendees
- Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
- Martin Hollmichel (_Nesshof_)
- Matthias Huetsch (mhu)
- Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
- Louis Suarez-Potts (louis_to)
- Charles-H. Schulz (southerncross)
- John McCreesh (jpmcc)
- Stefan Taxhet (stx12)
- Juergen Schmidt (jsc)
- Pavel Janik (paveljanik)
- Time: 19:30 UTC (more or less)
louis_to if we are ready... let's start louis_to agenda: louis_to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/The_OpenOffice.org_Community_Council_Agenda louis_to plesae review it jsc done ;-) louis_to then let's move louis_to we agree with the AIs? jsc fine for me christoph_n yep louis_to only vioice if no louis_to so: louis_to #1: I have not doine it yet: in progress louis_to #2: ST, do you have an update? jsc do you need help? louis_to jsc: sure; ping the lists again, but I need only to put it to the wiki stx12 no update beyond what you have seen on the list. draft is there; feedback from flo to be worked on louis_to "flo"? stx12 floeff = florian effenberger CorNouws louis_to: "ping again" <> "need only" are opposite? * louis_to is decoding louis_to well, the issue is we have the basic ones, I just have to put it up to the wiki, but there are always more events, and the response returned was not entirely satisfactory louis_to so they are not opposites, they are more orthogonal than anything CorNouws Ah, better understand now :-) louis_to my problem is one of distraction. louis_to I was distracted from doing this by events here in Canada that needed my attention--the Ont. gov't may move to OOo but that requires a lot of effort--- louis_to but, jsc: if you want to help, just NAG me :-) louis_to but on to #3: jsc i will, it would be good to have it soon, see the mails on dev@marketing jsc Question is who is alowed to add new events? Should they discussed first on some mailing list? louis_to jsc: let's say anyone is but equally, not all such events will be funded louis_to so you mean: which events are to be funded? That is for us (and mostly me, as main proponent) to determine louis_to but I do want an array of knowledge there from which we can then select the best candidates jsc yes and i think we need some kind of rules louis_to and of course there ought to be some discussion on the lists, if only to evaluate the merits of a proposed date louis_to jsc: rules can be established ad hoc after we do this louis_to not prior. First let's get the data jsc i mean basic rules for get funding louis_to that is, ad hoc propter hoc louis_to yes, and we have those already louis_to I posted those a long time ago and would go back to them; as well, they were re-posted to budget, when it was discussed what events get budgeted louis_to we have them louis_to that's not the problem louis_to summary of rules: is the event effective *** jpmcc_ (n=chatzill@nat66.mia.three.co.uk) has joined the channel louis_to but we do not need to discuss this here, do we? louis_to hi jpmcc louis_to we are moving on now to #3.... louis_to #3: elections louis_to 3.1, 2, has been done; thanks louis_to Louis: Initiate phase 2 of the new election for Martin, Pavel, John.: put on hold until after holidays, viz., post 6 jan louis_to now is the time for it louis_to so, with the Oracle news... it's totally irrelevant louis_to and I suggest that we look to next week as the start of the new cycle CorNouws Why? louis_to how would it be relevant? christoph_n (Sorry, I don't get it.) CorNouws what have council elections to do with Oracle? Do not understand that yet. louis_to They have nothing to do with Oracle. Wjhy do you think they do? CorNouws You say "so, with the Oracle news... it's totally irrelevant" what do you mean with that? louis_to since they do not, I propose next week we start the new cycle jpmcc_ Hi, line dropped ... *** jpmcc_ has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) louis_to is that okay with all? Stefan, do we have the material set up for that? stx12 yes louis_to and again, this is for Pavel, John, Martin's seats louis_to thx louis_to I would ask the three up for election to help find candidates if needed and also to promote the election and CC *** jpmcc_ (n=chatzill@nat65.mia.three.co.uk) has joined the channel louis_to jpmcc: I would ask the three up for election to help find candidates if needed and also to promote the election and CC * _Nesshof_ is prepared louis_to thx * CorNouws Will John be on line long enough to say his connection dropped ..? louis_to :-) jpmcc_ I'll try :-) louis_to as to 3.4, ouis: advertise public part at #ooocouncilpub in the beginning before next council meeting: Louis suggest we do it for next meeting. louis_to well, that was for this meeting.... louis_to but it seems now that it will have to be for next *** jpmcc__ (n=chatzill@nat66.mia.three.co.uk) has joined the channel christoph_n dro... :-) jpmcc__ Do I get three votes now I am logged in three times? christoph_n You may get 3 AI :-) louis_to yes stx12 or three budgets louis_to is the next meeting the F2F? stx12 yes louis_to It might be interesting to have a video feed on that for others to catch, or a youtube event louis_to but we can discuss that, too louis_to shall we move on to $4? louis_to OpenOffice.org Internship louis_to 1. Martin to put together a proposal for hiring a technical writer to document getting started on OOo development.: open louis_to _Nesshof_? _Nesshof_ in progress, not finished yet _Nesshof_ sorry _Nesshof_ . stx12 AI: "Winter of Code"; Cor to own and cry for help if required; any update, cor? CorNouws See my update on the mail: nothing to say, so skip this item now. jsc i will join this project after the FOSDEM and will discuss it with Cor in Brussels (or Hamburg) CorNouws Thanks, Jürgen, good idea! stx12 good louis_to btw, I'll be at fosdem, too, so we can include discussions of Seneca particiaption jsc sounds good louis_to and other related programs louis_to but let's talk about it offlist or on prior... stx12 5. Distribution infrastructure (Bouncer); John: We are on target to use mirrorbrain for 3.2; louis_to tx *** jpmcc_ has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) stx12 i think we are still on track mhu louis_to: wrt seneca, can you please ask for a receipt / invoice for the money that I sent ? louis_to yes, I hve invoice louis_to and will ask for receipt louis_to both louis_to thx, btw mhu okay, thanks louis_to Fardad of Seneca has commenced work on future programs louis_to and we need to arrange for him to visit, if needed, Hamburg louis_to that can be part of the discussions in Brussels, yes? louis_to shall we move on to #6? stx12 5.b. but i don't know if the 3.2 announcement has the thanks to mirrors jpmcc__ stx12 I'll check with floeff stx12 thx louis_to can we add it? it's been delayed... jpmcc__ louis_to: I'm sure we can louis_to thx louis_to 6: l10n infrastructure (Pootle): ST: Pootle version upgrade imminent beginnig 2010; AI: Owner?: find better tool that is a closer fit, if necessary; Cor is going to contact Andre. CorNouws I had contact with André some weeks ago, ... but forgotten the details (will pick it up again). CorNouws Sorry ;-\ louis_to #6, then, "In progress" stx12 ivo is going to start the update in the nexts days, now that he is back from vacation *** jpmcc has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) * louis_to I wonder if this is the nature of things to come for jpmcc__, now that he has moved house... CorNouws Yes, there was some connection with the update from the tools, quite obious proccess IIRC louis_to ;on to 7? louis_to Procedures for retirement of a project in Incubator and NLC. Louis: deliver final wording after the discussion that was on the mail list - carry forward; see [1] to be inforporated in http://native-lang.openoffice.org/#terminus and http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html louis_to ARGH stx12 CorNouws: but there is still the question whether there is a better tool around than pootle. and we are looking for an owner of the evaluation louis_to okay, will do this today CorNouws stx12: OK.. jsc ...discussion on which mailing list? stx12 jsc: see link in the minutes stx12 http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2101 jsc ok louis_to on to #8 louis_to ditto as for #7: ARGH southerncross it should be noted that last week a project was being requested for cancellation louis_to well, good :-) southerncross http://tet.openoffice.org : its project lead himself filed an issue for cancellation. louis_to one less to deal with :-) * southerncross nods * louis_to is being sardonic southerncross sometimes it's more an acknoledgement of a void than a political decision southerncross :) louis_to :-) louis_to on to #9... louis_to Budget 2010: AI: all budget holders to submit their requests for a share of this 100k. See proposal from Matthias [2]; Vote on Matthias' Proposal pending southerncross anyway * mhu is currently working against the proposed budget CorNouws An item for the Hamburg meeting ?! mhu so, if you want to change the overall distribution, you should accelerate somewhat mhu yes, we can discuss budget details f2f in Hamburg CorNouws ( John, he means us ;-) ) mhu :-) mhu but John should be satisfied, he got the largest cake :-) CorNouws Marketing never gets enough, too much!! CorNouws ;-) christoph_n (Cake: Celebrating 10th anniversary. That sounds reasonable.) mhu okay, I propose an agenda item for f2f in Hamburg: budget details jpmcc__ Alas ... CorNouws jpmcc__: alas what? all cake gone? stx12 11. Council coordinator: choosing ST's successor CorNouws or moving not finished in time :-\ _Nesshof_ if acceptable and if I'm not longer member of the council by the end of Feb., I volunteer for this role as a non council member stx12 i'll pick one in hamburg; you should come nevertheless, please ;-) southerncross :) christoph_n Oh, I would have proposed me... CorNouws _Nesshof_: very kind, however stx12 hey, you huys are great CorNouws the idea is that a council member does the job CorNouws part of say 'education on the job' _Nesshof_ CorNouws: I remember, that why I wrote, if acceptable ! jsc i have already volunteered stx12 a deputy is eligeble too, or? stx12 please queue at my door in hamburg... CorNouws _Nesshof_: ah, sorry I din't got the immediately! christoph_n Since I cannot help otherwise (at the moment) I may serve to poke everybody - if you like ;-) christoph_n Poke! (That's easy...) stx12 and it's a 3-4 month term only; so there is an opportunity for all of you CorNouws no other candidates? then my +1 for christoph_n louis_to :-) * _Nesshof_ steps back christoph_n That sounds if you like to have somebody else :-) mhu +1 for christoph_n jsc me too, no problem _Nesshof_ +1 for christoph_n southerncross +1 for christoph_n * CorNouws _Nesshof_ may well be reelected, so can have his chance in May jsc +1 for christoph_n stx12 let's go with christoph_n then jpmcc__ +1 louis_to +1 _Nesshof_ CorNouws: I will only do this if I'm not regular member of CC CorNouws oh.. pls explain when we are in Hamburg, OK? _Nesshof_ btw, also the release status meeting will be without member of the CC stx12 so christoph_n will take this duty beginning in hamburg? christoph_n If you like. stx12 yes, please. christoph_n Okay, thanks! stx12 11. Juergen: Prepare Agenda for F2F Meeting in Hamburg, February 4/5; jsc i have send you a list with collected items from different emails louis_to thx jsc for further discussion louis_to btw, can you also remind people if they have not yet to send me a rough list of expenses? louis_to I have rec'd some but not all louis_to and you have hotels info., and others: most are staying at Junges jpmcc__ or the Polo Novum stx12 is it worth to be put in a wiki page? in our regular agenda page? southerncross at the Best Western mhu expenses for f2f meeting: can we do a simple -- all council -- approval of expenses ? I will reserve whatever is needed, and reimburse expenses louis_to mhu: I need simply a rough amount to propose to budget list louis_to and southerncross: I sent in a list of plausible hotels louis_to please review them mhu louis_to: okay, jsut dont make it too complicated louis_to it's not to be louis_to ie, I'll ask for about 2K louis_to or 3K jsc same rules for everybody ... southerncross louis_to: but if I had to choose separately (not in one package) the price would have had been higher, even within the list. southerncross anyway: partial reimbursement is okay CorNouws jsc: hmm, does the council have to ask for budget to held its meeting? jpmcc__ CorNouws: Louis has to go through the approval process as he's paying for this * mhu thinks we can approve the necessary amount from the "general administration" budget (that Louis owns) jsc indirectly yes, important is to be save if somebody will ask louis_to mhu: yes mhu ...that Louis owns, and Christoph_n and Martin approve louis_to shall we move on then? jpmcc__ "Common Administration jpmcc__ * Budget:€5,000.00 jpmcc__ * Budget Holder: Community Manager jpmcc__ Currently: Louis Suarez-Potts jpmcc__ * Authorisers: Martin Hollmichel, Sophie Gautier " louis_to mhu: I'll send the proposed amount Friday or Monday louis_to and the amount is woefully inadequate :-) louis_to 5K eu. is pittance jpmcc__ Has the CC approved the change of authoriser from Sophie? louis_to no louis_to uhg, sorry, yes: Christoph louis_to sorry, brain lapse mhu yes, I have already made notice of christoph replacing sophie louis_to or at any rate, I propsed him, I believe, and he's already weighed in on proposal louis_to thx louis_to shall we moe on to #12? stx12 yes, joost asked how to handle issue comment that start to be offensive. stx12 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107456 stx12 this concrete casse is solved. jsc in which way? CorNouws closed by st, without further action from the submitter CorNouws but was that 'the case' stx12 see last my last comment; i politely closed the issue and there was no further action needed CorNouws stx12: do you know why JA asked our attention for it? CorNouws is he unhappy with possibilities to act in such a situation? stx12 he felt unsure how to handle this. stx12 i don jsc the style of communication is not acceptable and the question is if we want to handle such things in general. Do we want to kick off such users? stx12 i don't know whether the agenda item was added before or after he stood in my office stx12 that would have been my next measure CorNouws OK, I remember there was a discussion on a list ..., should we read that to get a better understanding of what was particularly difficult or nasty? stx12 a discussion about this issue in parallel to the comments in the issue`? jsc i think reading the issue comments will show it CorNouws added 5 jan 2010 11:36 CorNouws (ja's item at the agenda) stx12 ok, then this case is solved; and joost has an idea how to handle such cases. CorNouws not every person is the same when it comes to handling such rude bahaviour, so it's something to look at for sure CorNouws stx12: ok, thanks louis_to okay, do we have new items to discuss here? CorNouws Next item , pls louis_to there are none? CorNouws yip jpmcc__ I think we need a formal statement that the mailing list guidelines apply to issues too ... louis_to yes; they apply to all discourse on OOo louis_to ALL stx12 not for today. edu and infrastructure are rescheduled for the f2f louis_to I have made that clear when corresponding to unhappy people stx12 jpmcc__: that makes sense louis_to right; so let's focus on agenda items for f2f jpmcc__ louis_to: I'd like the CC to approve changes to the budget approers for the MP louis_to juergen, don't hesistate to yell at me louis_to who are the new ones? jpmcc__ Budget Holder to be floeff instead of me, and I'd like to be approved as an authoriser louis_to +1 jsc +1 mhu jpmcc__: fine with me +1 christoph_n +1 stx12 +1 CorNouws +1 southerncross +1 louis_to others? _Nesshof_ +1 louis_to paveljanik: ? louis_to I assume you vote yes, too * mhu exchanged John and Florian in the budget-spreadsheet, change effective immediately :-) louis_to okay, if no other business? southerncross let's adjourn... louis_to +1 louis_to indicate if NOT in favour of adjourning CorNouws thanks al & bye bye louis_to if no objections, then I call the meeting closed until next time