User talk:TJFrazier

This is a good place to leave me a note. :-) --TJ 23:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

(This is to remind myself to fix the cache description, WIGATI.)--TJ 20:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

14:46

warring

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:RU/rules_and_information_policy

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=RU/rules_and_information_policy&action=history

User Sancho doesn't discuss anything. In English, differences between pages: http://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php%3Ftitle%3DRU%252Frules_and_information_policy%26diff%3D169023%26oldid%3D169013&prev=_t

Sancho does not discuss anything, but writes the rules that always repeat "forbidden", "you must or else the page you create will be deleted", "do not", "never" and so on. We change it to "it is recommended", "it is better", "page is going to be edited" and so on.

User Sancho doesn't reply neither in its personal discussion page, nor in the the article's talk and ignores all messages.

What shall we do in this case?

Just what you did do: bring the matter to the attention of a sysop (administrator). Edit warring is a serious offense, and may lead to blocks. I will be posting a lecture on Sancho's Talk page. Meanwhile, please follow one simple rule: do not undo anyone's edits but your own, without discussing the matter on the associated Talk page. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 22:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Here are more articles Sancho refusing to discuss (so far):

• http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:RU/qa/run_ooo_versions_parallel
• http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:RU/Documentation/FAQ/General --Fyva 05:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

thanks from elcico

Dear TJ thank you for your welcome and for your suggestion. I've changed my mail address, now it should be ok! Thanks again! elcico :)

P.S. Hope this is the right place to reply... just delete after you read! :)

You're quite welcome. Why ever should I delete a nice thank-you note? --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 22:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Keyboard shortcuts, special characters

Hi TJ, While tripping through the FAQs in search of anyplace I can help, I have found your useful answer (FAQ-Writer-Formatting Text) about how to insert special characters using macros to create keyboard shortcuts. As an alternative, I thought of adding the Windows shortcuts such as I use in Word at work to create a pounds sterling sign (i.e. Alt+0163), but I can't get those combinations to work in Writer. I'm on my laptop at home and am not sure if the Alt-key alternative just does not work in OpenOffice, or if the phenomenon is due to my using a laptop keyboard without the extra number keypad. In the hopes that no question is a dumb question... I ask... do the Alt-key combinations for special characters work in OOo?

Hi, Lisa, Yes; with my keyboard (with full numeric keypad) they work fine. I use Alt+0151 for em-dash regularly. There may be a num-lock or Fn special key that you need to simulate the numeric keypad; check your laptop's documentation. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 16:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Editing templates

Sorry about the inconvenience. I rarely edit templates on Wikis, being mindful that such edits can have far-reaching effects. FYI, I didn't notice any slowdown: This Wiki has far fewer articles and users than the English Wikipedia. — User8192^{T @} 17:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Category:MainIndex

Hi TJ

The category:MainIndex is uncategorized if not put cat into itself or another category or subcategory.

Do you know another solution?

Thanks Adailton 13:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

right, then it stay uncategorized. Adailton 13:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Broken Redirects

Documentation/FAQ/General/What are the differences between StarOffice (old versions) and OpenOffice.org? deleted, obsolete FAQ - replaced by a newer version of same information? should be a fusion of historical record of keeping the original creator of the page. what is the new version? and Documentation/FAQ/General/QA 0002? Thanks Adailton 13:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Nice catch. Found the replacement page and fixed the redirect accordingly. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 16:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:Marketing

Hi TJ

User pages in category:Marketing: User:Blibrestez55/Books/Database, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Allow import of only selected pagesn, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Improving char spaces, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Improving rotated text, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Introduction, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Issue105133, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Issue109708, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Issue90633, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Issue92919, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Misplaced paragraphs, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Moving Proper paragraphs GlyphProcessor, OpenOffice.org Internship/Tasks/Proper paragraphs, User:Joekidd/OpenOffice.org/Internship/PDFImport/Tasks/Testing proper paragraphs, User:Khirano/Solutions, User:RealGrouchy, User:Wyrfel.

It seems inappropriate to have categorized users pages, so I ask whether they should be uncategorizaded or moved to the main domain? (I'm sorry but I do not quite understand the English Language, so I use a translator). Adailton 13:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

English: "de-categorized" (= "have the category reference removed") is not a valid English word, either, but it is readily understandable.

Appropriateness: Since the users themselves added their pages to the category, I'm in favor of leaving them there. If somebody associated with marketing complains, we can make changes then. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 02:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Candidates for speedy deletion

Hi TJ

Please, see Category:Candidates for speedy deletion.

Thanks Adailton 11:20, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Removed most of the pure spam. Remaining candidates are mostly technical, and can be removed more slowly.

Thanks for the good work. If you are an Apache committer (or at least have an iCLA on file), I will enable you as a sysop ("Administrator group"). That would let you delete directly, and block spammers as well (very carefully!). --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 14:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi TJ

I made a change in {{delete}} in order to include a justification for the deletion. Please see if it was good.

I saw that there are 11,420 files uncategorized. Are there any major category for files? I just found Category:Icons.

Thanks Adailton 14:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Delete: Looks good to me, if it works for you.

File Categories: AFAIK, the files should be categorized according to the pages that link to them (plus descriptive categories, like "Icon"). This could be a non-trivial task; if a file is linked from pages in different categories, it may be desirable to climb the category tree to find the intersection, and categorize the file there.

Your help is much appreciated. I know much of templates, but only a little about categories. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 15:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the categorization according to the pages that use is practical, but we can also categorize your files by grouping them by theme (icons, applications, screens, menu items, examples, etc.), without excluding one another. There are also PDF documents, which could be a category, but I will not create them if you think it should be done well. Adailton 21:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

pls, see:

• Casino ohne download
• User talk:Josebryan13
• Deals - How can you make best deals on timeshare
• Phentermine - How the phentermine works in your body.
• Moving Company- How to make consequences favorable

and related images. Tks Adailton 22:21, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Gone! --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 03:32, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Please, see User:PressRTbox. Adailton 22:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Persistent pest, now blocked. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 23:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Please, see User:Ulissi (and botton of user page) and history.

Left him a warning that the link farm may get deleted. My snap diagnosis is "enthusiastic amateur", rather than deliberate spammer, so I'm starting out gently.

Removed all external and red links. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 16:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I am looking at Special:LinkSearch. There are many abuses to be checked. tks Adailton 11:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Nice find of that page! The good news here is that almost all of those links seem legitimate. I only found one (the very last of the first 100) that was typical user-page spam (from 2009!), and deleted it. I'll run through the rest of the list, slowly.

Many thanks for all your help. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 13:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

New volunteer

Hello. I recently started to built some pages for brazilian community start to work and I'd like to contribute in the wiki maintenance also. I've created Category:Outdated to mark all old content pages that need to be revised. I have a lot of suggestions to offer in order to make this wiki more affordable, but I am affraid to make changes without people's agreement. I do not wish to upset anyone so, please, if there is a wiki coordinator/administrator (or something like that), let me know. I don't wish to work against but with you. =)
. Thanks. signed by sysop 2012-05-17T09:12:32 PauloLima

Hi, Paolo!

I'm replying here, just to keep the whole conversation in one place. You can put a Watch on my Talk page if you like, or I'll put a note on yours. I see that you have met Adailton, who is a big help around here, chasing spammers. Whatever help you care to give is very welcome.

Hi TJ. This place is fine.

Like most everything at Apache, there is no "official" hierarchy on this wiki. The only sense in which I'm "it" is that I'm doing the work. I do have both sysop and bureaucrat privileges, and I will promote any committer to sysop who asks. My personal expertise runs to "expert user": knowledgeable on wiki markup, templates, etc. If you have plans to improve the user experience, go for it; I'll be glad to help you do it the easy way, if you like.

Ok. I've been working with Mediawiki software intensively for the last 2 years. I've created/developed many of the pages in LibO PT_BR wiki, and I was responsible to develop the document translation workflow to PT-BR. That was a great learning. Now I wish to contribute here. These days, I am running a document management project for the company I work,using Mediawiki software, for for the last year, using its semantic features. And this was a great learning for me too. So, I proposed to use my experience in this area to help building an intelligent ontology that could ease the access tothe information in the wiki. But... In order to do that, it would be necessary to upgrade Mediawiki at least to 1.7.4 (1.9 would be better) and install some semantic extensions (maybe creating some new user's groups, if necessary). Can you help me on that? This should not impact the actual wiki's access/availbility, but can make available features for me to work on some sort of "snapshot". =)

Which reminds me: are you deliberately using the "preformatted text" option (starting your line with a space character), to create indentation? A colon (:) works better, because it wraps better. Use more colons for more levels of indentation (think, "tabs"). By convention, if you reply here, you would start your lines with two colons, I would reply with three, ...

Yes. I'm using that. It's a matter of preferences. For me it looks better, but I have no objections in using identation =)

I look forward to your contributions. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 20:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I've created a category PT-BR for brazilian community begin to work. It was necessary, but, as Adailton pointed, maybe we could join PT-BR and PT sections, if it works better. I'm helping Kevin on UX team and looking for pages that must be updated/deleted. There are many outdated information here and it's necessary to classify them (that's why I've created a Category:Outdated). In the next days I will navigate through the wiki to find and categorize those pages. After that, we will have a picture of what/where/who/when we need to do. If you and Adailton agree with that, of course. What do you think?

PauloLima 22:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Preformatted text looks great — if you pre-format it!

Otherwise, it has a nasty tendency to run right over the right-hand border, and just keep going. I find that both ugly and a nuisance, having to adjust the horizontal slider, and I had to do that a lot on your talk page. This may be browser- and skin-dependent. But, to more important matters.

Well, I have placed line breakers "<br />" in my replies, because I am aware of this issue. I don't know why you had this problem in you browser, maybe your screen resolution is too low. For me, my replies are been displayed with short lines and no horizontal slider both in Internet Explorer (Windows 98 in a virtual machine), Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox (Ubuntu 11.10). But it doesn't matter, I can use identation. No problem.

For upgrading MW and installing new extensions, you need a site-maintenance person, and that's not me. The only one I know of with the project is Raphael Bircher; otherwise, we depend on Infra. The problem is that none of those folks have any real expertise with MW or php, and neither do I. If you have command-line expertise, by all means volunteer on the Infra ML, and ask for access. Otherwise, I suppose we can try writing JIRA tickets. I am certainly in favor of an upgrade; there are problems with the <math> syntax that probably can only be fixed that way, and some other adjustments that should be made.

Yes, I know how to upgrade and install extensions to Mediawiki. But, I would had to get ssh access to the server and RWX rights to Mediawiki directory. A database backup would be necessary (and I should have access to it in this case, also). If you have admin rights to the wiki, so you can perform admin tasks for me, when it's necessary.

Yes, you know what you need, and you can get the access by asking on the Infra ML (infrastructure@apache.org). Send from your Apache address, with a subject like, "Request root access to ooo-Mwiki VM". I think they will be glad to hear from you, when you spell out your expertise as you have done here. I haven't asked for such access, because I don't have (yet) the knowledge to use it. I will add a new section on this page for a data dump of what I've learned about the physical setup.

For your other plans, I suggest you pick out some segment for a pilot program, and work the bugs out; there are thousands of pages needing attention. But don't let this tired old man dampen your enthusiasm! --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 01:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Well TJ, I am not exactly a kid anymore for a long, long time. At least in my body. In my soul I feel like a kid yet =)

Some of us on the high side of 70 have merely lived a long time; others of us are old. I must regretfully admit to which one I am.

I am planning to use PT-BR section for my tests. This will not affect any feature of actual wiki. Pages/Templates/Forms/Properties can be created transparently and released to production when ready. The only impact will be in the categories structure. I shall have to do some modifications, but I won't do that without notice. Before that, I will show you a new ontology (categories/properties structure), put it into discussion, so we can find the best way to improve the wiki, right?

Sounds great to me. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 13:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

P.s.: Do I assume correctly that you mean MW versions 1.17.x and 1.19.x ?

Yes, that's it. Thank you very much for your help.

The Physical Wiki

This wiki is housed on a VM, running a LAMP stack. "L" = some version of Ubuntu. In addition to the MW software, we run the Apache Traffic Server (ATS) as a front end. (Some adjustment is needed here: as of this writing, ATS sometimes serves up stale pages.)

Exact information on extensions and versions should be available on the Version page. Known problems include:

• The locally written IDL extension is not the latest version; this was an error during the move to Apache. The latest version needs to be found and installed, so that the <idlml> tags work.
• MW was undergoing a change to the Math support, during MW v17. Math is showing errors on our installation (see example on my user page), which have probably been fixed in a later MW release.

• Many thanks to Imacat, who installed the Textvc code, and fixed the math problem. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 19:47, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

--TJ (Talk | Contribs) 13:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Wanted Categories

Hi TJ

There is a Wanted Categories, Category:RU/Авторы/А. Е. Харламенков, that has been recently deleted. What do we do?

Thanks Adailton 15:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Nothing. The category was marked for speedy delete, by the Russian fellow who created it. I deleted it. Why it's showing up on that special page is a mystery. I'll poke around some. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 15:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

That I understood. It is listed on the special page to have a page, RU/kb/common/programming, the same author category. I think I must remove the category of the page, but it is a hidden category within a Template. Adailton 16:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I must confess that I couldn't trace through the signature-related templates to find the Category call. So I commented out the signature (which is against policy anyway; sign with wiki signatures, if at all). Special page now empty. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 16:35, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, unusual solution but problem solved. Adailton 22:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

SimpleNonprofitAccountingTemplate

Hi TJ

Please, see SimpleNonprofitAccountingTemplate

Thanks Adailton 13:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

ROFL! Just adding that to the doc list when I got your message. I'll categorize it properly, too. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 13:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Question on adding Justification to marking a page for Speedy Delete

Hi TJ;

I wanted to mark a page for speedy delete and noticed in the in the preview that there was a section for adding a justification when you use the delete template. Was wondering what the proper syntax was for adding that. Appreciate your time and help.

Regards Keith

Hi, Keith,

User Adailton's reply to you is authoritative: he added that field to the template. (He's a big help around here.)

Sorry for the slow reply, but Sandy did interrupt my power for several hours, and threatened to do worse. I didn't want to be in the middle of doing something here on the wiki, and have to quit. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 12:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Sandy

Hi TJ

Welcome back! I hope that Sandy has not given him much trouble.

Spammers have given some work here, but everything under contrrole.

Regards Adailton 13:14, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sandy came and went, with no lasting problems. Now I'm catching up. Thanks for covering. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 13:19, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

File:FreedomFleetAttendance.xls

Hi TJ

[:File:FreedomFleetAttendance.xls] some use?

[] Adailton 10:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Not that I could see, so I deleted it. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 12:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

New pages

Hi TJ

some pages created November 12 were forgotten

Regards Adailton 10:47, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I see only one new page, in User space, and you erased the spam on it. Do you see other new pages on some other list?

There was some kind of error about then, on the wiki; one of my operations timed out, so I just went away for a while. Maybe some logs (or pages) were lost. --TJ (Talk | Contribs) 12:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Sysop

Hi TJ

I worried that I am not fluent in the language. I read a little English, and generally use the google translator to long paragraphs.

I will be more cautious, but stay tuned for elimination and blocks.

Regards Adailton 15:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

The more users doing good work, less work for each. Helen russian also did good job. Thanks Adailton 23:03, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

What a busy day! I have deleted more than 130 pages today. TJ, Adailton, Andrew, I need a time-out. :-) I'll be back in 12 hours (at 4:00 UTC). Please don't lose me. --Helen 16:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I see a new Russian sysop Yak. It's great! Yakov, thank you for joining us --Helen 03:44, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

You folks have been doing a super job! Help is on the way: see the Mwiki threads on dev@, plus the new section on my user page. That info is not current yet, but it will be. --TJ (Talk) 13:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi TJ, any news? --Helen 02:15, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Excessive spamming

Hi TJ

I made a protection to prevent re-creation. What do you think?

Regards Adailton 10:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Good move! We can delete it when the spam attack is over. --TJ (Talk) 10:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

How long will the spam attack?

Hi TJ

How long will the spam attack? Can I search for additional volunteers from the Russian community? --Helen 02:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Helen,

We have a new recruit for site maintainer: Jan Iversen (also new Bureaucrat and sysop). Hopefully his access will be finished tonight or tomorrow, and he will turn off the spam user creation and delete their accounts. You will know for sure when you see a banner announcement about it, explaining that new accounts are by invitation only.

I can't guarantee the timing. You are welcome to search for more volunteers, and I will appoint them as sysops on your say-so. I just hope they won't have anything to do! --TJ (Talk) 02:38, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. I'll try to find some volunteers for the job today after 11:00 UTC. --Helen 04:50, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S.: Adailton found a clever way to defeat the repeated spamming of a few pages. Protect them to the Administrator level, then delete. --TJ (Talk) 03:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

OK --Helen 04:50, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

TJ, delete first, then protect the page. This prevents an editor to create again. Adailton 05:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Need Create New Pages permission

Started the proect to merge the FAQ's from the web site into the wiki and find my account does not have Create New Pages Permissions. Can you add them please or should I send a formal request through the dev list. Thanks for the help

Regards Keith 02:55, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for advice from mWiki guru

After a closer look at all the materials involved with consolidating the FAQ's from the web site into the Wiki it appears the most effiecient way todo it would be to create some new Documentation\FAQ catagories and restructure the toc to add them. Given what is currently going on would it be best to just fit them in to the current structure and wait until the update is completed and then make the changes and reassign the new FAQ's to them? The alternative would be to do it know and I would need a crash course (mostly on reading the help files) on the intricacies of doing it.

Sorry to be a pain with questions, but the engineer in me says ask the questions first before you really muck something up!

Regards Keith 20:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Keith, your cautious approach is much appreciated.

First, go right ahead now. This work should not be affected by the upgrades and such.

Second, IIRC, the lowest-level listing is all done with DPL and categories. The relevant help files for the DPL extensions (we're using the older one) are on MediaWiki, which can (surprisingly) be a little hard to reach from Wp. You can probably do just what I'd do: copy an existing page, changing only the particular data (category name). Then put the appropriate new category on each new page: [[Category:whatever]].

The higher-level toc (purple box) is built by one template calling another. The Master TOC template positions and paints the box; the FAQTOC template supplies the data, so this is what you need to edit. Wp has scads of help on templates; it is a much more powerful feature than any reasonable person would ever need. Fortunately, again all you probably need to do is copy and adjust existing entries to show the new stuff. The Preview button is your friend. Please try to minimize the number of edits to templates: an edit change kicks off a chain of replacements for every calling page, which can bog down the wiki for minutes. Note that you can call templates from your own space. That makes experimenting cheap. {{User:KNetc/test}} or something similar should suffice, where page "test" is a copy of the real template.

I'm fairly ignorant about DPL, but I'm useful on templates. Ask if you have problems. --TJ (Talk) 01:55, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

TJ I spent the better part of 20 years in Manufacturing Engineering first as a tech and then as an engineer. Have seen to many screw-ups that could have been prevented by asking "stupid questions" first. Not fun having to explain to ops managers why they lost x number of man hours / days.

First, since there should be no conflicts with the upgrades et al, I will venture down the path of creating new catagories and updating the toc.

Second, I will spend a few days this weekend looking over the help sections that you point to and try some experimenting in my "sandbox". Is there a time frame that would be best to go "live" with the changes to the FAQtoc to have the least disruption to the rest of the community on the Wiki?

Believe me if I have questions believe me I will ask. Thank you for all the info and your willingness to help.

Regards Keith 22:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I suggest that you make a copy[1] of faqtoc, maybe "factoc2", in template space. Just click on a link like this one: Template:factoc2. You can edit that one all you want, because only the few pages you build will be affected. At the very end, copy it back — only one edit to the live template, so you needn't worry about the timing. Then change the links (the special page, "What links here" is your friend) and delete the copy.

Feel free to put the links to the new subdivisions[2] where they belong, on the Documentation or Doc/FAQ pages, but please hang the "Under Construction" sign on anything incomplete, in case users blunder into it.

Thank you very much for undertaking this task.

Notes:
[1] "copy" means Edit | Select all | Copy | Cancel edit on the source page, then Edit | Paste on the new page.
[2] I used a different term, because you will be creating some wiki Category pages, too. Using the redlink method, just reference the new category as usual, at the bottom of the new faq page. That will show as a redlink; click on it, add a one-line description, and save the page. Nothing to it! --TJ (Talk) 03:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy Delete

Hi TJ

I wish you a Merry Christmas :)

I have been absent due to commitments, but I must return to work soon

Category:Candidates for speedy deletion is Outdated, not valid? There is another to replace it?

Even if only administrators are active, I think at times be necessary ask the opinion of others about certain deletions to prevent undue eliminations. In wikipedia the normal is always an editor (even an administrator) mark and an administrator check and then eliminate.

There needs to alter {{delete}}?

Regards Adailton (talk) 08:52, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree that the category is needed, so I replaced it. --TJ (Talk) 12:32, 25 December 2012 (UTC)