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<div>Full name: '''Nils Fuhrmann'''<br />
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Company: [http://www.sun.com Sun Microsystems]<br />
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Mail: [mailto:Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com] <br />
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Background:<br />
* Head of Oracle Office Operations<br />
* Running the OpenOffice.org/Oracle Office Operations organization at Oracle<br />
including Release Management, Program Management, Release Engineering, Tools, <br />
Quality Assurance, Automation, Lab-IT, User Experience, Scrum<br />
* Started as Software Engineer in 1995<br />
* Holds a degree of computer science<br />
* L10n co-lead at OpenOffice.org until 2004</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Press_CoverageRenaissance:Press Coverage2008-12-03T11:29:33Z<p>Nf: /* Blogs */</p>
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<div>= Project Renaissance Press Coverage =<br />
== Web ==<br />
* December 2, 2008:<br />
** (German) [http://www.golem.de/0812/63881.html '''Golem.de:''' Neue Oberfläche für OpenOffice.org ]<br />
** (German) [http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Neues-Design-fuer-OpenOffice-Update--/meldung/119753 '''heise-online.de:''' Neues Design für OpenOffice]<br />
** (English) [http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/OpenOffice-s-UI-will-be-getting-a-refurb--/112130 '''heise-online.co.uk:''' OpenOffice's UI will be getting a refurb]<br />
** (German) [http://www.chip.de/news/OpenOffice-bekommt-ein-neues-Interface_33914841.html '''Chip online:''' OpenOffice bekommt ein neues Interface]<br />
** (German) [http://www.pc-professionell.de/news/2008/12/02/openoffice_org_will_menues_entruempeln '''PC Professionell''': OpenOffice.org will Menüs entrümpeln]<br />
** (German) [http://www.pcwelt.de/start/software_os/office/news/188951/openofficeorg_erhaelt_neue_oberflaeche/ '''PCWelt:''' Openoffice.org erhält neue Oberfläche]<br />
** (German) [http://tech.de.msn.com/spiele/spielenews_artikel.aspx?cp-documentid=11508539 '''msn.de:''' Openoffice.org erhält neue Oberfläche]<br />
** (German) [http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=1227287500124 '''Der Standard.at:''' Projekt Renaissance: OpenOffice.org soll ein neues Interface bekommen]<br />
** (German) [http://www.computerhilfen.de/info/neues-aussehen-fuer-openoffice-geplant.html '''Computerhilfen.de:''' Neues Aussehen für OpenOffice geplant]<br />
** (German) [http://www.infoweek.ch/news/nw_single.cfm?news_ID=19599&sid=0 '''infoweek.ch:''' OpenOffice bald in neuem Look]<br />
** (German) [http://news.magnus.de/software/artikel/neue-oberflaeche-fuer-openoffice-org.html '''magnus.de:''' Neue Oberfläche für OpenOffice.org] <br />
** (German) [http://www.macnotes.de/2008/12/02/notizen-vom-2-dezember-2008/ '''macnotes.de:''' OOo und das Projekt Renaissance]<br />
** (German) [http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Renaissance-fuer-Open-Office '''Linux-Community.de:''' Renaissance für Open Office]<br />
** (German) [http://www.tripple.net/contator/webwizard/news.asp?nnr=35043 '''contator.de:''' OpenOffice erlebt Renaissance]<br />
** (German) [http://www.oszine.de/node/10169 '''oszine.de:''' Renaissance für OpenOffice.org]<br />
** (German) [http://www.testticker.de/news/2008/12/02/openoffice_org_will_menues_entruempeln '''Testticker.de:''' OpenOffice.org will Menüs entrümpeln]<br />
** (German) [http://www.linux-magazin.de/meldung/29323 '''linux-magazin.de:''' Open-Office-Projekt überarbeitet GUI-Design]<br />
** (German) [http://winfuture.de/news,43932.html '''Winfuture.de:''' OpenOffice soll neue Benutzeroberfläche erhalten]<br />
** (German) [http://www.computerwelt.at/detailArticle.asp?a=118648&n=3&utm_source=CWNewsletter&UTM_medium=Newsletter '''Computerwelt.at:''' Openoffice.org bekommt neue Oberfläche]<br />
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* December 3, 2008:<br />
** (German) [http://www.zonews.de/2008/12/03/project-renaissance-openoffice-erhlt-eine-neue-oberflche/ '''zonews.de:''' Project Renaissance: OpenOffice erhält eine neue Oberfläche]<br />
** (German) [http://www.zdnet.de/news/software/0,39023144,39199798,00.htm '''zdnet.de:''' OpenOffice soll neue Oberfläche erhalten]<br />
** (German) [http://www.xonio.com/news/OpenOffice-bekommt-ein-neues-Interface_33914840.html '''xonio.com:''' OpenOffice soll neue Oberfläche erhalten]<br />
** (German) [http://www.macgadget.de/News/2008/12/02/Ticker-Apple-vs-Psystar-OpenOffice-GUI '''Mac Gadget:'''Ticker: Apple vs. Psystar; OpenOffice-GUI]<br />
** (German) [http://www.netzticker.net/68699 '''Netticker.net:''' Neue Oberflache für OpenOffice.org]<br />
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== Blogs ==<br />
* November 28, 2008:<br />
** (English) [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/project_renaissance_kick_off1 '''GullFOSS:''' Project “Renaissance” - Create a New User Interface for OOo ]<br />
* December 2, 2008:<br />
** (German) [http://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2008/12/02/neue-gui-fuer-openoffice.org/ '''ubuntuusers.de:''' Neue GUI für OpenOffice.org]<br />
** (German) [http://www.supernature-forum.de/www-news-und-geruechtekueche/85315-openoffice-oberflaeche-soll-eine-renaissance-erleben.html '''supernature-forum.de:''' OpenOffice-Oberfläche soll eine Renaissance erleben]<br />
** (German) [http://www.gulli.com/news/project-renaissance-openoffice-2008-12-02/ '''Gulli.de:''' Project Renaissance OpenOffice erhält eine neue Oberfläche]<br />
** (German) [http://www.rc-forum.de/showthread.php?t=846322 '''rc-forum.de:''' Projekt Renaissance: Openoffice.org erhält neue Oberfläche]<br />
** (English) [http://notes2self.net/archive/2008/12/02/openoffice-org-our-interface-offers-an-antiquated-look-amp-feel-and-users-complain-about-the-cumbersome-and-outdated-graphical-user-interface.aspx '''notes2self.net''' OpenOffice.Org’s “Renaissance” project]<br />
** (German) [http://www.winboard.org/forum/news/99227-neue-oberflaeche-fuer-openoffice-org.html '''WinBoard.org:''' Neue Oberfläche für OpenOffice.org]<br />
** (English) [http://my.opera.com/area42/blog/openoffice-gets-a-new-interface '''My Opera.com:''' OpenOffice gets a new Interface]<br />
** (English) [http://eric.bachard.free.fr/news/2007/08/cocoa-migration-gnustep-renaissance.html '''ericb's place:''' Cocoa migration, GNUStep Renaissance project and .nibs]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_dashboardESC dashboard2008-07-02T18:28:14Z<p>Nf: </p>
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{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;" class="prettytable sortable"<br />
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! Name || Owner || Prio || Due || Notes <br />
|-<br />
| CVS to bazaar/git/subversion transition || Fuhrmann, Meeks, Klose || 1 || July 2008 for step 1 and Q1 2009 for step2 || Weekly meeting Friday 2pm UTC #oooscm, set up prototypes for evaluation. Details on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoSCM_Minutes. SVN and git repository prototypes are available and public accessible (via SSH). There is still no Bazaar import, it is thought that a full bazaar import might be difficult to achieve. We will for now continue with SVN and git. Discover workflows wrt to SVN and git is in progress, templates can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SCM_Migration#Sun_Hamburg_RE here]]. Next: measure the candidates against the template. Open: Split of git repository just because of performance issues when dealing with big repositories. step 1 : move to subversion first, step 2: revisit bazaar, mercurial, git and come to a final decision in Q1 2009<br />
|-<br />
| Unified sign on/Federated Identity || Fuhrmann || 1 || work in progress || Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements. Gerd Weiss has kicked of the discussion within the website project. <br />
|-<br />
| Wiki/better search, structure || Peters || 1 || work in progress <br />
|<br />
* Wiki Engine Updated to MW 1.11 (Feb 15)<br />
* Structural hierarchy implemented on wiki/Documentation (wip)<br />
* Structure of localized wiki sections TBD <br />
* Implemented crosslink functionality for localized pages<br />
|-<br />
| Buildbots || Fuhrmann, Cheng || 2 || work in progress || Gregor Hartmann from Sun and Bao Honglin from Redflag CH2000 assigned to this task. Kick of on IRC has taken place on Dec 19, the agenda and log can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/BuildBot_Meeting here]]. A buildbot has been brought online by the RedFlag team. Work on a Mac build bot kicked of in June. <br />
|-<br />
| CWS Upload area || Hollmichel || 2 || work in progress, Feb '08 || authentication work under way to get up-load with EIS, expected end of Feb 08.<br />
|-<br />
| reduce storage needed for l10n builds, related to modularization issues || Hütsch || 2 || not earlier than OOo 3.0 || <br />
|-<br />
| help content should be platform independent || Peters || 2 || After OOo 3.0 || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Packs/Dictionaries to be moved to extensions, modularization || Hütsch || 2 || OOo 3.0 || Configuration nailed down to make dictionaries as extensions. With OOo 3.0 dictionaries will come as extension. <br />
|-<br />
| Language Fallback to en-US must be fixed (help img fallback doesn't work) || Bauer || 2 || OOo 3.0 || Issue existent. Target is OOo 3.0. <br />
|-<br />
| Access to translation data to be moved to Pootle || Braconi || 2 || completed || 20 languages have been uploaded. Here the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_Integration_Roadmap Pootle_Roadmap]. Pootle server on arsaperta.org has been removed (announced by Charles Schultz). OOo and Sun Vendors are working with Pootle on sunvirtuallab: http://www.sunvirtuallab.com:32300/projects/openoffice_org/. L10n IRC meetings and logs at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings.<br />
|-<br />
| Process and tools to allow localization of wiki content || Braconi || 2 || work in progress, OOo 3.0 ||Workflow at:http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Image:OOo_Wiki_process.png The progress can be viewed at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Wiki_Process_for_Documentation<br />
|-<br />
| email (offline) access to bugtracking || Fuhrmann || 2 || pending || Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts.<br />
|-<br />
| make cvs artwork authoritative || Bauer || 3 || completed || Matthias talked to the owner of the image tool. The tool does corret updates, so people are able to deal with images within CVS directly without getting any conflicts. <br />
|-<br />
| create checklist for full open source compliance for developers || Engelhardt || 1 || waiting for feedback on documentation license status (Frank) || <br />
|-<br />
| QA Unit tests || Meeks, Hütsch || 2 || incremental improvements, open ended tasks || get unit test infrastructure into environment, next step get unit test written by all<br />
|-<br />
| Make high impact bug reports visible || Hollmichel || 2 || work in progress, Q1 2008 || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=81913 Ubuntu]], [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=84291 Redflag 2000]] [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?Submit+query=Submit+query&issue_type=DEFECT&issue_type=ENHANCEMENT&issue_type=FEATURE&issue_type=TASK&issue_type=PATCH&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&issue_status=RESOLVED&issue_status=VERIFIED&issue_status=CLOSED&email1=&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=exact&emailreporter2=1&issueidtype=include&issue_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwords&issue_file_loc=&issue_file_loc_type=fulltext&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=fulltext&keywords=&keywords_type=anytokens&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=90439&cmdtype=doit&namedcmd=micheal&newqueryname=&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Fedora]]<br />
|-<br />
| fast legal reviews for external modules || Hollmichel || 2 || completed || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=86166 Meta Issue 86166]] <br />
|-<br />
| easy integration of small fixes || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || 2 || work in progress || aim to get developer process/time overhead for integrating suitably trivial fixes down to the 10minute range. Draft for proposal: [[FixesOnMaster]]<br />
|-<br />
| more ways of being diverse in the source code || Meeks || 3 || || get agreement on including distro-specific patches, artwork, per-distro configuration options etc. into the (D)RCS, and look at ways of making existing hard-to-configure things (eg. settings defaults) build-time configurable.<br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, independent Apps || Cheng, Meeks, Hütsch || 3 || TBD || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, build on installed OOo, small developer packages || Meeks || 2 || pending || Petr is going to work on that <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, smaller, independent packages || Hütsch || 1 || in progress, target for step 1 OOo 3.0 || see three layered packaging by Ramme, Bergmann <br />
|-<br />
| || || || || <br />
|-<br />
|}</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-06Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-062008-06-19T09:09:23Z<p>Nf: </p>
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<div>= 2008-06-05 =<br />
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10:00&ndash;10:30 CEST<br />
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== Attendees ==<br />
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* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi_)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* Martin Hollmichel (IRC: _Nesshof_)<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
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''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, JSC, BH, TBO, lgodard, MD, ST)<br />
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== Action Items ==<br />
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! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Provide infrastructure for localization of static content || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || TBO/JSC || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_1: Ask Stella about putting the new branding from www.openoffice.org onto the extension site; Most important would be the banner on top.|| MD || stalled || end of June 2008<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_2: What process to translate an extension itself || lgodard || stalled||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_24: Give an overview of how to do this decoupling of translaition cycles and release and find out the opinion of other stakeholders, such as release management and the l10n team || SunNF-JSC || in progress || end of may<br />
|}<br />
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'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
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* 2008_04_10_1: At least till end of June 2008, there are no resources available.<br />
* 2008_04_24: no update <br />
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== Round Table ==<br />
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* Item for this meeting: Problem of multiple release in the same version. [http://extensions.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=website&msgNo=508 Message from Martin Hollmichel]. Thorsten described how [[Extensions/website/submission#Operating_System_dependant_extension_binaries]] should work and will let us (website@extensions) know the results of his trials.<br />
* Bettina asked for feedback on the posting about planned features for organizing and accessing templates online. [http://extensions.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=website&msgNo=524]. Esp. the usage of categories / subcategories / tags and search has to be defined.<br />
* Next meeting is on 2008-06-19.<br />
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== IRC Details ==<br />
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*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-05/2008-06-03-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
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= 2008-06-19 =<br />
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10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
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== Attendees ==<br />
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* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi_)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* Martin Hollmichel (IRC: _Nesshof_)<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
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''Minute Taker:'' NF (JSC, BH, TBO, lgodard, MD, ST, NF)<br />
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== Action Items ==<br />
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{|border=1<br />
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|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || TBO/JSC || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_1: Ask Stella about putting the new branding from www.openoffice.org onto the extension site; Most important would be the banner on top.|| MD || stalled || end of June 2008<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_2: What process to translate an extension itself || lgodard || stalled||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_24: Give an overview of how to do this decoupling of translaition cycles and release and find out the opinion of other stakeholders, such as release management and the l10n team || SunNF-JSC || in progress || <br />
|}<br />
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'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
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* 3_2007-10-04: TBO will write down what he has in mind. It might be a good idea to handle the localization of the description within the extension source code to connect it to the OOo l10n process.<br />
* 2008_04_10_01: At least till end of June 2008, there are no resources available.<br />
* 2008_04_10_02: <br />
* 2008_04_24: Martin Hollmichel and Hamburg Release Engineering are working on a solution to build and localize extensions independently from the office code base. NF already asked Martin and RE to ensure that this solution also works for non Sun extension contributors. <br />
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== Agenda Item ==<br />
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BH: Template Browser/Template Repository<br />
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Bettina added a first mokup to the wiki, including a proposal how the web based template browser might look like. Regarding registration, Bettina proposed that people should register when finally submitting the Templates after adding the corresponding data, not before. The mokup itself is available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Templates_online_features . Question is how new cathegories and sub cathegories make it into the repository. The team agrees that having just the download number within the UI is enought (no views number). The upload process should be as easy as possible.<br />
We like to have a initial implementation available with OOo 3.0. <br />
Regarding search, we should evaluate some means to create a Index based on the content of the templates beside having meaningfull meta data at hand. <br />
The download button will be renamed to "use it" because this reflects the meaning better.<br />
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Open questions:<br />
* How to deal with bulg upload and updates<br />
* Do we need unique file or display names => For the initial release yes. When implementing a office integration, this might change. <br />
* Do we need versioning or is a simple comparism of file dates enaough? => No versioning initially.<br />
* How should search look like in detail <br />
<br />
The team agreed that we will start implementing the repository following the proposal by Bettina. <br />
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== Round Table ==<br />
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* n/a<br />
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== IRC Details ==<br />
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* n/a</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-06Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-062008-06-19T07:32:36Z<p>Nf: </p>
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<div>= 2008-06-05 =<br />
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10:00&ndash;10:30 CEST<br />
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== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi_)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* Martin Hollmichel (IRC: _Nesshof_)<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, JSC, BH, TBO, lgodard, MD, ST)<br />
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== Action Items ==<br />
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{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Provide infrastructure for localization of static content || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || TBO/JSC || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_1: Ask Stella about putting the new branding from www.openoffice.org onto the extension site; Most important would be the banner on top.|| MD || stalled || end of June 2008<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_2: What process to translate an extension itself || lgodard || stalled||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_24: Give an overview of how to do this decoupling of translaition cycles and release and find out the opinion of other stakeholders, such as release management and the l10n team || SunNF-JSC || in progress || end of may<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
* 2008_04_10_1: At least till end of June 2008, there are no resources available.<br />
* 2008_04_24: no update <br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Item for this meeting: Problem of multiple release in the same version. [http://extensions.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=website&msgNo=508 Message from Martin Hollmichel]. Thorsten described how [[Extensions/website/submission#Operating_System_dependant_extension_binaries]] should work and will let us (website@extensions) know the results of his trials.<br />
* Bettina asked for feedback on the posting about planned features for organizing and accessing templates online. [http://extensions.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=website&msgNo=524]. Esp. the usage of categories / subcategories / tags and search has to be defined.<br />
* Next meeting is on 2008-06-19.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-05/2008-06-03-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2008-06-19 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi_)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* Martin Hollmichel (IRC: _Nesshof_)<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (JSC, BH, TBO, lgodard, MD, ST, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || TBO/JSC || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_1: Ask Stella about putting the new branding from www.openoffice.org onto the extension site; Most important would be the banner on top.|| MD || stalled || end of June 2008<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_10_2: What process to translate an extension itself || lgodard || stalled||<br />
|-<br />
| 2008_04_24: Give an overview of how to do this decoupling of translaition cycles and release and find out the opinion of other stakeholders, such as release management and the l10n team || SunNF-JSC || in progress || end of may<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
* 3_2007-10-04:<br />
* 2008_04_10_01: At least till end of June 2008, there are no resources available.<br />
* 2008_04_10_02:<br />
* 2008_04_24: Martin Hollmichel and Hamburg Release Engineering are working on a solution to build and localize extensions independently from the office code base. NF already asked Martin and RE to ensure that this solution also works for non Sun extension contributors. <br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
*<br />
<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2008-05/2008-06-19-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:NfUser:Nf2008-06-13T19:32:03Z<p>Nf: </p>
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<div>Full name: '''Nils Fuhrmann'''<br />
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Company: [http://www.sun.com Sun Microsystems]<br />
<br />
Mail: [mailto:Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com] <br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Background:<br />
* Senior Manager at Sun Microsystems<br />
* Running the OpenOffice.org/StarOffice Operations team at Sun Microsystems<br />
including Program Management, Release Engineering, Tools, QA, Lab-IT, User Experience<br />
* Started as Release Engineer in 1995<br />
* L10n co-lead at OpenOffice.org until 2004</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_dashboardESC dashboard2008-01-21T17:25:09Z<p>Nf: /* ESC Dashboard */</p>
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<div>= ESC Dashboard =<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name || Owner || Prio || Due || Notes <br />
|-<br />
| CVS to bazaar/git/subversion transition || Fuhrmann, Meeks, Klose || 1 || Q1 2008 || Weekly meeting Friday 2pm UTC #oooscm, set up prototypes for evaluation. Details on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoSCM_Minutes. SVN and git repository prototypes are available and public accessible (via SSH). There is still no Bazaar import, it is thought that a full bazaar import might be difficult to achieve. We will for now continue with SVN and git. Discover workflows wrt to SVN and git is in progress, templates can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SCM_Migration#Sun_Hamburg_RE here]]. Next: measure the candidates against the template. Open: Split of git repository just because of performance issues when dealing with big repositories.<br />
|-<br />
| Unified sign on/Federated Identity || Fuhrmann || 1 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts. <br />
|-<br />
| Wiki/better search, structure || Peters || 1 || || Update wiki engine to 1.11 (staging wiki on doc.services.openoffice.org), implementing hierarchical structure on wiki/Documentation, starting to negotiate structure of localized content with NLC reps<br />
|-<br />
| Buildbots || Fuhrmann, Cheng || 2 || || Gregor Hartmann from Sun and Bao Honglin from Redflag CH2000 assigned to this task. Kick of on IRC has taken place on Dec 19, the agenda and log can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/BuildBot_Meeting here]]. A buildbot has been brought online by the RedFlag team. <br />
|-<br />
| CWS Upload area || Hollmichel || 2 || work in progress, Jan '08 || <br />
|-<br />
| Mailing lists/unsubscribed people should get replies to their threads || Fuhrmann || 3 || || Do we realy have to invest into such feature? How many people are affected by this in their daily work? What is the common beahviour of mailing lists?<br />
|-<br />
| low barrier of entry/simple account creation || Fuhrmann || 4 || || Talk to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts took place. Registration via Login-name + Mail + Country seams to be simple enough.<br />
|-<br />
| Storage needed for l10n builds, related to modularization issues || Fuhrmann, Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Packs/help content should be platform independent || Braconi, Peters || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Dictionaries to be moved to extensions, modularization || Hütsch || 2 || || Configuration nailed down to make dictionaries as extensions. In progress. <br />
|-<br />
| Language Fallback to en-US must be fixed (help img fallback doesn't work) || Bauer || 2 || || Issue existent. Target is OOo 3.0. <br />
|-<br />
| Access to translation data to be moved to Pootle || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Process and tools to allow localization of wiki content || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| email (offline) access to bugtracking || Fuhrmann || 2 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts.<br />
|-<br />
| make cvs artwork authoritative || Bauer || 3 || done || Matthias talked to the owner of the image tool. The tool does corret updates, so people are able to deal with images within CVS directly without getting any conflicts. <br />
|-<br />
| create checklist for full open source compliance for developers || Engelhardt || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| QA Unit tests || Meeks, Hütsch || || ||<br />
|-<br />
| Make high impact bug reports visible || Hollmichel || || work in progress, Jan '08 || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=81913 Ubuntu]], [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=84291 Redflag 2000]] <br />
|-<br />
| More Developer-focues in processes || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast legal reviews for external modules || Hollmichel || || || to create meta issue for to be approved issues <br />
|-<br />
| easy integration of small fixes || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || aim to get developer process/time overhead for integrating suitably trivial fixes down to the 10minute range. Draft for proposal: [[FixesOnMaster]]<br />
|-<br />
| fast development turnaround || Bauer, Fuhrmann, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| short build times || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| more ways of being diverse in the source code || || || || get agreement on including distro-specific patches, artwork, per-distro configuration options etc. into the (D)RCS, and look at ways of making existing hard-to-configure things (eg. settings defaults) build-time configurable.<br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, independent Apps || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, customizable components (cust. features) || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, build on installed OOo || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, small developer packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, modular packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, smaller, independent packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| || || || || <br />
|-<br />
|}</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_minutesESC minutes2007-12-10T17:42:28Z<p>Nf: /* Minutes */</p>
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<div>Engineering Steering Committee Meetings Minutes<br />
<br />
The Engineering Steering Committee meets every two weeks on Monday 4pm UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html , http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=k4bgtc8bil9cs2a77lhh1r998g%40group.calendar.google.com).<br />
<br />
= agenda for next meetings =<br />
<br />
next meeting: November 19th<br />
next Face2Face meeting: February 2008<br />
<br />
=== continue work on prioritized list of requirements (leftover from meeting 20071029) ===<br />
<br />
* find owners for all tasks<br />
* ensure all priorities are set<br />
* determine time line for solutions of issues<br />
<br />
=== review of [[ESC_dashboard]] ===<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
<br />
=== regular review of barriers to entry ===<br />
<br />
=== development roadmap sync. ===<br />
<br />
<br />
== open agenda items ==<br />
<br />
= Minutes =<br />
<br />
== 2007-12-10 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Nils Fuhrmann, Matthias Huetsch, Dieter Loeschky, Caolon McNamara, Volker Quetschke<br />
<br />
=== Work on prioritized list of action Items ===<br />
<br />
* Updates are available within the ESC dashboard<br />
* Dieter: We should think about adding due dates to the dashboard whereever possible<br />
<br />
=== new Action Items ===<br />
<br />
* Matthias Huetsch: Provide update for the modularization efforts within the ESC dashboard<br />
* Nils: Ask Frank Peters and Rafaella Braconi to provide updates on their action items within the dashboard and to participate within the next meeting<br />
* All: Update the dashboard when status of action items changed and add due dates where possible<br />
<br />
== 2007-11-26 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Nils Fuhrmann, Rafaella Braconi, Rene Engelhard (partly), Matthias Huetsch, Dieter Loeschky (partly), Pavel Janik, Caolon McNamara, Volker Quetschke, Xiuzhi Cheng<br />
<br />
=== action items ===<br />
<br />
* meet weekly until prioritized list is complete.<br />
** Processes -- More developer—focus in processes, postponed because high prioritized by Novell and Michael not present<br />
** Processes -- Easy integration of small fixes/Fast Development Turnaround/Short build times: Martin and Mathias will followup with Michael on this.<br />
** Processes -- More ways of being diverse in the source code, postponed because high prioritized by Novell and Michael not present<br />
** Tools and Infrastructure: Open Tools and Infrastructure, community controlled, Owner NF: NF: #Infrastructure requirements will be evaluated in the context of the Sun OpenSource infrastructure efforts<br />
** [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_requirements.ods Prioritized list of requirements]] has been updated.<br />
<br />
== 2007-11-19 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Michael Meeks, Nils Fuhrmann, Rene Engelhard, Matthias Huetsch,<br />
<br />
=== action items ===<br />
<br />
* meet weekly until prioritized list is complete.<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49491 calc status bar click] ====<br />
<br />
* mhu: not assigned to anyone 'real'<br />
* nils: with timeout rules can assume UI approved already<br />
* mhu: perhaps re-request input, and then timeout<br />
* mmeeks: so, should assign to a real person &amp; ping UE<br />
<br />
== Face2Face meeting in Hamburg 2007-10-29/30 ==<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_overview.odp Agenda]]<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_sun_requirements.odp Sun requirements]]<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_ubuntu_requirements.odp Ubuntu requirements]]<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_redoffice_requirements.odp RedFlag2000 requirements]]<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_novell_requirements.odp Novell requirements]]<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/ESC_20071029_requirements.ods Prioritized list of requirements]]<br />
<br />
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc/20071029/esc_20071029_minutes.odt additional notes]]<br />
<br />
== 2007-10-15 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Rene Engelhard, Nils Fuhrmann, Martin Hollmichel, Matthias Huetsch, Matthias Klose, Caolon McNamara, Michael Meeks, Volker Quetschke<br />
<br />
* planning next Face2Face meeting<br />
<br />
new action item: Martin to sum up discussion as draft for agenda for Face2Face meeting<br />
<br />
== 2007-09-18 (Barcelona) ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Nils Fuhrmann, Martin Hollmichel, Matthias Huetsch, Pavel Janik, Dieter Loeschky, Michael Meeks, Xiuzhi Cheng<br />
<br />
=== action items ===<br />
<br />
* all: prepare agenda for Barcelona meeting, done<br />
* Martin: find new slot for Barcelona ESC meeting, done<br />
* all: How to identify responsible person translation fixes for a particular language: Nils sent out his [[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=esc&msgNo=214 answer]]<br />
<br />
=== my patch adds a feature: our OASIS engagement ===<br />
* scope / timeliness<br />
* direction<br />
* credibility<br />
<br />
<br />
Meeks: there were improvements done on dealing with child workspaces, specifications, but it is still difficult to deal with new features for the native file format, because of the OASIS ODF (Technical Committee) TC.<br />
<br />
Hollmichel: asking, if ESC is the right forum to resolve problem in the ODF TC<br />
<br />
Meeks: but this is major roadblock for getting simple fixes done and there is a mechanism for feed into TC needed<br />
<br />
Huetsch: if you want to change the international standard you have to come with more than patch, thats simply a different scope, it's not a typical barrier of entry<br />
<br />
Huetsch: a need for meachanism to feed into OASIS, we can introduce not yet standardized additions but the submitter has to<br />
bring it into TC<br />
<br />
Loeschky: This is needed because the owner also need to have the IP of the proposed enhancement to bring it into the committee<br />
<br />
Bauer: fine granular changes can be introduced anytime, and everybody can drive these efforts<br />
<br />
Loeschky: not only ideas but concrete proposals should be brought to the TC<br />
<br />
Meeks: problem is that effort for contributing to the TC is much more effort than the patch., but agreed that this has to be addressed by OASIS TC<br />
<br />
Loeschky: we (Novell, Sun) will assign engineers to address those issues to the ODF TC.<br />
<br />
=== review of proposed UE process ===<br />
<br />
all agreed that the proposed [[HowTo_Request_User_Experience_Assistance|process]] is fine.<br />
<br />
=== roundtable ===<br />
<br />
it was agreed to postpone the remaining agenda items to our regular meeting slots and go for the NLC party.<br />
<br />
== 2007-08-27 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Michael Bemmer, Nils Fuhrmann, Martin Hollmichel, Matthias Huetsch, Pavel Janik, Dieter Loeschky, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Volker Quetschke,Xiuzhi Cheng<br />
<br />
=== Inclusion of non-Sun-owned components ===<br />
* Meeks: Novell provides strong support for OpenOffice.org (15+ people) and has also been a major advocate of the JCA (see for example the "sign the JCA today" initiative to draw new developers to the project). However the project has changed and grown since the beginning, so it is worth re-visiting our assumptions around ownership, particularly since the JCA inhibits us from contributing. Novell is unwilling to JCA complete, new, separable modules, we work to create. Specifically there is resistance to give "full" code ownership to Sun but being limited to LGPL ourselves.<br />
* Meeks: Make it possible to accept code into OOo that is not covered by JCA, like it is already possible for the external project.<br />
* Bemmer: This is not going to happen. There are good reasons for Sun's copyright ownership.<br />
* Meeks: This benefits only Sun for all others are limited to LGPL.<br />
* Bemmer: This will not change and all open source projects Sun has initiated are set up like this.<br />
* Meeks: We should vote on this.<br />
* Hollmichel: This is not changeable by a vote.<br />
* Bemmer: Patches for core functionality, (example Calc solver) do not go into the external component! Core functionality can only be changed by patches that are provided under the JCA and are not going to get integrated into the master otherwise.<br />
* Meeks: We should get a stronger commit warning to state that the act of committing to CVS, and not eg. nomination implies both Delivery to and Acceptance by Sun, since this was not clear to us. To avoid confusion, in future we are happy to follow that rule. Unfortunately there might be some patches committed already where this was not fully realized by the committer.<br />
* Bemmer: We are not ''stealing'' the existing code, if a patch is not covered by the JCA we are not going to take it.<br />
<br />
=== Regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54603 fontconfig / font substitution] ====<br />
* McNamara: Two years for a nice patch that improves functionality.<br />
* Hollmichel: Some more work on windows is needed, work in progress.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66693 sax bug.] ====<br />
* Meeks: *presents the case*<br />
* Loeschky/Huetsch: Someone is looking at this.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67243 calc: merge & center] ====<br />
* Meeks: *presents the case*<br />
* Hutsch/Bauer: Only one year old ;)<br />
* Meeks: There is already activity in the issue.<br />
* Bauer: It is currently being discussed by User Experience.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=71452 hungarian font fix] ====<br />
* Meeks: *presents the case*<br />
* Hollmichel: Looks easy. Someone will check and apply.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74881 translation fix] ====<br />
* Meeks: *presents the case*<br />
* Meeks: This is a general problem with translation issues.<br />
* McNamara: For example issue 64726 - What to do with these fixes?<br />
* Hollmichel: The project owner should assign the patches, but ...<br />
<br />
=== open action items ===<br />
<br />
==== Prepare agenda for Barcelona meeting ====<br />
* Meeks: Will look into it.<br />
<br />
==== Find new slot for Barcelona ESC meeting ====<br />
* Hollmichel: No problem, will update the programm. <br />
<br />
=== New item ===<br />
==== How to identify responsible person translation fixes for a particular language ====<br />
<br />
== 2007-06-25 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Nils Fuhrmann, Dieter Loeschky, Volker Quetschke, ause<br />
<br />
=== action items ===<br />
<br />
* Action item Lutz: lutz will provide the new document of guidelines (Done): http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/HowTo_Request_User_Experience_Assistance<br />
<br />
* Action Item Nils: more info on the status of windows buildbot:<br />
ause reported that the existing Windows build bot will be migrated to newer hardware, the Linux bots seems to be orphaned. Xuizhi reported that two CH2000 engineers are looking on how to setup build boxes for Linux and Windows. If they need assistance, they should use the tinderbox@tools.openoffice.org list.<br />
<br />
=== renew cws policies ===<br />
<br />
* review of draft of new cws policies (latest version on http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/~mh93703/cws-policies-2007_06_25.html ). Matthias: naming of high/low impact feature maybe misleading. we will collect suggestion for more descriptive wording offline until Tuesday, Martin will post the latest draft of the policies to the dev@openoffice.org list until Wednesday.<br />
<br />
=== Barcelona ESC meeting ===<br />
<br />
* Barcelona ESC meeting is currently scheduled for Tuesday morning, most of the members of the ESC will arrive later that day so that a time slot 7-9 pm seems to be more feasible. Martin to contact conference team.<br />
<br />
* action item all: prepare agenda for Barcelona meeting.<br />
<br />
== 2007-06-11 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Thorsten Ziehm, Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Pavel Janik, Nils Fuhrmann, Dieter Loeschky<br />
<br />
=== Finding QA for workspaces ===<br />
* thorsten: new way to locate a qa person, qa.openoffice.org reorganized to have "Responsibilities" section for each major component, find your qa person there.<br />
* mmeeks: How about qa doing the builds, externally provided ones don't fit qa requirements<br />
* all: build bots would solve this<br />
* what do we need to get them working<br />
* Nils: action item, more info on the status of windows buildbot<br />
* Nils: who owns the linux ones<br />
* mmeeks: configmgr refactor, loads of work, startup performance improvement. Who to set as qa owner, and how to get it qa-ed. No unit tests exist for it, and no way to add some<br />
* thorsten: normally we'd just run the qa integration tests<br />
* mba: there is some additional uno testing infrastructure available that attempts to use api-coverage of the uno components. Will provide some info offline<br />
* ???: are we happy to remove the extra unused configmgr stuff<br />
* mba: sure, it's redundant to requirements now<br />
<br />
=== User Experience ===<br />
<br />
==== Old patches and features stuck on User Experience input ====<br />
<br />
* lutz: We did a review and there are lots of them, the team has shrunk so big backlog<br />
* lutz: Have handled a lot of the backlog, for the future team leads to be enabled to make their own decisions by defining what sort of issues need UE input.<br />
* lutz: Currently working on these [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/HowTo_Request_User_Experience_Assistance guidelines] to try and also bring external people into the fold to involve more people in the process.<br />
* Nesshof: new [http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/~mh93703/cws-policies-2007_06_11.html cws policies] part of this process revision.<br />
* mmeeks: do we even need specs and qe input into features, just do it, and back it out if QE notes problems<br />
* lutz: in the pre-spec days when we did this, feature confusion, a lot of ping-ponging rolling back and forward developer introduced features<br />
* lutz: but do want to move into more of an adviser role, rather than a feature gatekeeper rule<br />
* mmeeks: reasonable, but means that some issues are ones that are features which can go ahead, and some are ones which are problematic<br />
* lutz: sure, UE will be working to give a *much* faster feedback for less than two weeks<br />
* meeks: can we get a timeout, if greater than two weeks means not a problematic blocker feature<br />
* lutz: yeah, we're agreeable to that<br />
<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: sometimes developer suggests a little feature, and sometimes then gets asked to extend things to refactor loads of related things.<br />
* lutz: there is that temptation for UE to request a rework of loads of stuff when they think they have a captive developer, but yes we accept it is a snowball thing, we should just go with the original improvement, and then consider separately if we have the resources to do a full rework.<br />
* mba: though sometimes if we're already working on a rework of an area, then adding features that affects that area is a problem<br />
* mmeeks: sure, not a problem<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: of course developers do little test features to see if this project is the type that'll take patches and features, and if the little one works out then they will consider bigger ones. So being asked to do mega features straight away is a blocker for them.<br />
<br />
<br />
* Nesshof: conclusion is that lutz will provide the new document of guidelines.<br />
<br />
=== Regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=45245 double click to rename sheet] ====<br />
* mmeeks: So ignored, comments indicate a requirement for a thousand yard vision of consistency across apps before acceptance. But that's such a minor issue considered against the benefits it gives. Really should have just been integrated immediately. Anyone disagree ?<br />
* lutz: An example where this breaks consistency in our own apps to conform to MS Office refugees. If we follow this road too long then we risk fragmentation of the user's experience. I worry about that.<br />
* mmeeks: In this case the consistency of double clicking on the tab isn't really all that sensible, is it the case that for this issue it is an excuse to get rid of the issue<br />
<br />
'thoughtful moment'<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 trivial warning fix] ====<br />
* mba: patch for code that isn't used anymore<br />
* mmeeks: but blocks compiling as it breaks our build system<br />
* mba; yeah, there's no reason to integrate it<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49351 trivial warning fix] ====<br />
* same as before *<br />
* meeks: we could just take care of them in a cws, but so much process<br />
* Nesshof: we'll be bringing in a faster system for this type of developer only impact bug type<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=48814 -dontstrip installer option] ====<br />
* mba: but it is marked as integrated, what is the problem<br />
* mmeeks: some confusion in this issue, will refile to get this clarified.<br />
<br />
== 2007-05-28 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Volker Quetschke, <br />
<br />
=== Problems of build creation / provision for QA === <br />
* Nesshof: chicken & egg problem - not used much so not that reliable.<br />
* cmc: Tried to use Sun-Win1 once, but took a whole day to build, and not reliable. Need ability to patch out known bugs in the master.<br />
* Nesshof: poke ChristianL / the tinderbox mailing list, we need a common effort to make it work.<br />
* cmc: the Mac tinderboxes work really well, well maintained, great to see.<br />
* mmeeks: what does 'we' mean wrt. common effort.<br />
* Nesshof: mainly ChristianL<br />
* mmeeks: it is the Sun requirement for 2 platforms that kills lots of incoming CWS' though<br />
* Nesshof: ause maintains Sun-Win1, xp-1-3 are ex. Intel &amp; dead.<br />
* cmc: while can make Win32 builds with LCC etc. now - huge effort &amp; when Vista arrives - ~impossible.<br />
* vq: can volunteer to do CWS builds for individuals occasionally<br />
* mmeeks: best to have a repeatable, automated process: why does Sun have a totally separate, internal process so they don't share the pain / testing / benefits ?<br />
* mba: there are shared developer machines inside Sun for CWS building - but highly loaded, not using build-bot, and building with the StarOffice pieces.<br />
* Nesshof: new win32 build machine coming, perhaps can get one more from OO.o Ev. - 2 should do perhaps.<br />
* mmeeks: would be good if Sun people could use it too; to share the fun.<br />
<br />
=== Finding QA for workspaces ===<br />
<br />
* cmc: how do you find the right QA engineer for a workspace ?<br />
* mmeeks: the canonical page is: [[DomainDeveloper#QA_Engineers|DomainDeveloper]]<br />
* cmc: but surely these guys don't just want these to drop out of the blue ?<br />
* Nesshof: postpone until next time for Nils.<br />
* mmeeks: anything else ? RCS discussion ?<br />
* Nesshof: postpone RCS discussion until ready.<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63263 fpicker problems] ====<br />
* cmc: the process required a build on 2 Unix's including Solaris - the build-bot wouldn't work, gave up in disgust / deleted the CWS many months ago. It would be nice to have a policy change - if a change affects only Unix - we need only build it on one Unix platform: not Win32 too.<br />
* mba/mmeeks: rant elided.<br />
* mba: It's clear (to a developer) no Win32 code touched here at all, Unix/Gtk+ only fpicker change &lt; later mmeeks note: the multi-selection fix, also touched core code ... &gt;<br />
* cmc: not doing the work again here; simply not touching this.<br />
* mba: need to ask Nils: getting an exception from dual-platform builds for this case: seems acceptable to me.<br />
* mmeeks: interesting that the experience here turned a friendly, rational, balanced person against touching this again: consider if cmc was not paid to work with OO.o.<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=20496 calc: improved formula entry] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: as before, pushed to user-experience, has specification, no action for 6 months, type changed so doesn't show in statistics. As we discussed before having a time-out for user-experience seems to make sense. User experience very busy, lots of scattered incoming requests, need chasing sometimes.<br />
* mmeeks: we should get Lutz to the next meeting to discuss. Having said that, do you really believe that the calc team are unaware of the likelihood of getting a response from UE ?<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35578 autofilter options] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: awaiting user-experience input again - now nearly 1/2 of bugs we've seen in this state.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21923 password dialog itch] ====<br />
mba: re-assigned to 'requirements' - 'requirements' is a nonsense.<br />
cmc: requirements is a useful dumping ground for crack-smoking bugs: someone else gets to let the people down.<br />
mba: in writer, I review all of the 'requirements' bugs myself carefully. Easy to fix though - I'll re-assign to someone I know can take this, trivial patch anyway.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35338 auto-correction fix] ====<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: 2+ years waiting for user-experience feedback. A very common problem: almost ~all users of calc (or impress) will face & fight this. Punt discussion until we have Lutz.<br />
<br />
== 2007-05-14 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Pavel Janik, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Nils Fuhrmann, Volker Quetschke, <br />
<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 calc: persist csv import settings] ====<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: walk through of the timeline<br />
* mba: something that the IRT/IIT metrics don't catch<br />
* mba: UE team don't track issues regularly & Falko left<br />
* mmeeks: It seems some people (UE) demand their say, but then don't say anything.<br />
* mba: didn't we suggest timeouts for non-controversial changes before ? here for User Experience ?<br />
* mmeeks: yes - but discarded by QA previously, as part of stymied new inclusion work-flow.<br />
* Nesshof: did you consider mailing dev@specs to ping them ?<br />
* mmeeks: no; we don't have the issue in our ooo-builds, why burn yet more time here ?<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66680 gsl: image shrink - ka009] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: talked to KaiA today, for an explanation. Not a high priority for him, and a wide change, somehow always other higher priority tasks.<br />
* mmeeks: why such a huge problem for QA ? what would these guys do ?<br />
* nils: (after introduction) - depends on the change: run the test-tool over it, and poke on specifics identified by the developer. Looked at this CWS - it was resynched many times, but never marked 'Ready for QA'.<br />
* mmeeks: can we accelerate the QA process with tooling ?<br />
* mba: plenty of examples of internal Sun CWS' that until now also never made it, priorities changed etc. Surely Novell can do QA on it themselves ? (perhaps problems with multiple platforms) ?<br />
* mmeeks: we can do that, but we already ship it to our customers, we tested it ourselves etc. what more needs doing ? we filed up-stream for patch review: no response.<br />
* mba: patch review is not possible for all patches; huge backlog of them, and the burden is too high.<br />
* mmeeks: it is not a goal then to review all patches ?<br />
* mba: it's the goal but we can't guarantee an integration in a defined time frame; we also have to fight against the backlog (the issues discussed here mostly belong to it)<br />
* mmeeks: I expect (from other projects) that there is a maintainer / gate-keeper for all code, that is ultimately responsible, and cares about that code and that has the final say for inclusion; is that not the case in OO.o ?<br />
* Nesshof: not totally true - project leads should be able to find people with some interest in a piece of code to do some review. The idea is everyone can change any code, there is no dedicated ownership.<br />
* mba: lots of old code, some modules may have no assigned maintainer that knows the code as well as the original developers. Code reviews alone don't guarantee fast integration of patches. Mozilla is a project with excessive use of code reviews. It is notorious to be slow at responding to patches. Not all Open Source projects have a clear maintainership structure. OO.o can't be compared with anything else, mainly due to its history, but also because of its many millions of lines.<br />
* mmeeks: well, it's really unusual (in my experience) not to have anyone responsible for each bit of code; it needs documenting.<br />
<br />
==== to be continued ... ====<br />
<br />
* Nesshof: can continue the rest via E-mail<br />
* mmeeks: not interested directly in solving the issues, but understanding them, and learning about process problems from them.<br />
* mba: Proposal for "lessons learned from the patches": developers sending patches to UEx/QA whatever should still be considered to be responsible. Developers asked for a code review should react more reliably. If developers feel overwhelmed by a patch they should make this clear.<br />
<br />
=== coordinating the next feature releases ===<br />
<br />
Clarify what the important issues for the next releases are, who is doing what work, next major version of OpenOffice.org<br />
* Nesshof: Please update [[Features]] page with details.<br />
* Nesshof: we're looking to do a 3.0 release Q3 2008 (what would be 2.5) - what do people think ?<br />
* mmeeks: a marketing decision right ?<br />
* Nesshof: yes, we continue 6monthly releases until then.<br />
<br />
==== coordination of new features ====<br />
<br />
We just experience that two groups Novell and CH2000 are working on the same feature (text grid control)<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: This is an issue of CH2000 not doing their work in a public fashion, Novell consulted, blogged, and took this to the ODF TC.<br />
* mba: Writer developers of CH2000 mostly doing bug fixes and new feature bits in writer core and layout. We will discuss all work done together with them on the dev mailing list of the sw project.<br />
* xiuzhi: to avoid the confilt with other volunteers again,I will give a list of new features we will submit to OOo.<br />
<br />
== 2007-04-30 ==<br />
<br />
participants: cmc, mh, pjanik, vq<br />
<br />
1. IRC, Telecon, Telecon/IRC, Skype meetings?<br />
<br />
mh will provide dial in number until May 14th<br />
Idea: should we try using e.g. Skype?<br />
<br />
2. Nils, Xiuzhi and Dieter will be added to the list.<br />
<br />
3. AI: mmeeks will provide list of top 10 patches and we will try to cover first 2 - 3 in a meeting ?<br />
<br />
[[Category:Minutes]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_dashboardESC dashboard2007-12-10T17:32:14Z<p>Nf: /* ESC Dashboard */</p>
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<div>= ESC Dashboard =<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name || Owner || Prio || Due || Notes <br />
|-<br />
| CVS to bazaar/git/subversion transition || Fuhrmann, Meeks, Klose || 1 || Q1 2008 || Weekly meeting Friday 2pm UTC #oooscm, set up prototypes for evaluation. Details on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoSCM_Minutes. SVN and git prototypes available and publicaly accessable (via SSH). Bazaar import is work in progress. Next steps: discover workflows wrt the different SCMs and development tasks. Open: Split of git repository just because of perfromance issues when dealing with big repositories.<br />
|-<br />
| Unified sign on/Federated Identity || Fuhrmann || 1 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts. <br />
|-<br />
| Wiki/better search, structure || Peters || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Buildbots || Fuhrmann, Cheng || 2 || || Gregor Hartmann from Sun and Bao Honglin from Redflag CH2000 assigned to this task. Kick of on IRC will take place before X-Mas. List of potential participants gathered and send out to ESC alias. <br />
|-<br />
| CWS Upload area || Hollmichel || 2 || Dec '07 || <br />
|-<br />
| Mailing lists/unsubscribed people should get replies to their threads || Fuhrmann || 3 || || Do we realy have to invest into such feature? How many people are affected by this in their daily work? What is the common beahviour of mailing lists?<br />
|-<br />
| low barrier of entry/simple account creation || Fuhrmann || 4 || || Talk to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts took place. Registration via Login-name + Mail + Country seams to be simple enough.<br />
|-<br />
| Storage needed for l10n builds, related to modularization issues || Fuhrmann, Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Packs/help contnent should be platform independent || Braconi, Peters || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Dictionaries to be moved to extensions, modularization || Hütsch || 2 || || Configuration nailed down to make dictionaries as extensions. In progress. <br />
|-<br />
| Language Fallback to en-US must be fixed (help img fallback doesn't work) || Bauer || 2 || || Issue existent. Target is OOo 3.0. <br />
|-<br />
| Access to translation data to be moved to Pootle || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Process and tools to allow localization of wiki content || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| email (offline) access to bugtracking || Fuhrmann || 2 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts.<br />
|-<br />
| make cvs artwork authoritative || Bauer || 3 || done || Matthias talked to the owner of the image tool. The tool does corret updates, so people are able to deal with images within CVS directly without getting any conflicts. <br />
|-<br />
| create checklist for full open source compliance for developers || Engelhardt || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| QA Unit tests || Meeks, Hütsch || || ||<br />
|-<br />
| Make high impact bug reports visible || Hollmichel || || Dec' 07 || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=81913 Ubuntu]], [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=84291 Redflag 2000]] <br />
|-<br />
| More Developer-focues in processes || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast legal reviews for external modules || Hollmichel || || || <br />
|-<br />
| easy integration of small fixes || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast development turnaround || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| short build times || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| more ways of being diverse in the source code || || || || need more background from Michael <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, independent Apps || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, customizable components (cust. features) || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, build on installed OOo || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, small developer packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, modular packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, smaller, independent packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| || || || || <br />
|-<br />
|}</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_dashboardESC dashboard2007-12-10T12:51:51Z<p>Nf: /* ESC Dashboard */</p>
<hr />
<div>= ESC Dashboard =<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name || Owner || Prio || Due || Notes <br />
|-<br />
| CVS to bazaar/git/subversion transition || Fuhrmann, Meeks, Klose || 1 || Q1 2008 || Weekly meeting Friday 2pm UTC #oooscm, set up prototypes for evaluation. Details on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoSCM_Minutes. SVN and git prototypes available and publicaly accessable (via SSH). Bazaar import is work in progress. Next steps: discover workflows wrt the different SCMs and development tasks. Open: Split of git repository just because of perfromance issues when dealing with big repositories.<br />
|-<br />
| Unified sign on/Federated Identity || Fuhrmann || 1 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts. <br />
|-<br />
| Wiki/better search, structure || Peters || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Buildbots || Fuhrmann, Cheng || 2 || || Gregor Hartmann from Sun and Bao Honglin from Redflag CH2000 assigned to this task. Kick of on IRC will take place before X-Mas. List of potential participants gathered and send out to ESC alias. <br />
|-<br />
| CWS Upload area || Hollmichel || 2 || Dec '07 || <br />
|-<br />
| Mailing lists/unsubscribed people should get replies to their threads || Fuhrmann || 3 || || Do we realy have to invest into such feature? How many people are affected by this in their daily work? What is the common beahviour of mailing lists?<br />
|-<br />
| low barrier of entry/simple account creation || Fuhrmann || 4 || || Talk to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts took place. Registration via Login-name + Mail + Country seams to be simple enough.<br />
|-<br />
| Storage needed for l10n builds, related to modularization issues || Fuhrmann, Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Packs/help contnent should be platform independent || Braconi, Peters || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Dictionaries to be moved to extensions, modularization || Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Fallback to en-US must be fixed (help img fallback doesn't work) || Bauer || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Access to translation data to be moved to Pootle || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Process and tools to allow localization of wiki content || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| email (offline) access to bugtracking || Fuhrmann || 2 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts.<br />
|-<br />
| make cvs artwork authoritative || Bauer || 3 || || <br />
|-<br />
| create checklist for full open source compliance for developers || Engelhardt || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| QA Unit tests || Meeks, Hütsch || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Make high impact bug reports visible || Hollmichel || || Dec' 07 || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=81913 Ubuntu]], [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=84291 Redflag 2000]] <br />
|-<br />
| More Developer-focues in processes || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast legal reviews for external modules || Hollmichel || || || <br />
|-<br />
| easy integration of small fixes || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast development turnaround || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| short build times || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| more ways of being diverse in the source code || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, independent Apps || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, customizable components (cust. features) || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, build on installed OOo || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, small developer packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, modular packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, smaller, independent packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| || || || || <br />
|-<br />
|}</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_dashboardESC dashboard2007-12-10T11:49:33Z<p>Nf: /* ESC Dashboard */</p>
<hr />
<div>= ESC Dashboard =<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name || Owner || Prio || Due || Notes <br />
|-<br />
| CVS to bazaar/git/subversion transition || Fuhrmann, Meeks, Klose || 1 || Q1 2008 || Weekly meeting Friday 2pm UTC #oooscm, set up prototypes for evaluation. Details on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoSCM_Minutes. SVN and git prototypes available and publicaly accessable (via SSH). Bazaar import is work in progress. Next steps: discover workflows wrt the different SCMs and development tasks. Open: Split of git repository just because of perfromance issues when dealing with big repositories.<br />
|-<br />
| Unified sign on/Federated Identity || Fuhrmann || 1 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts. <br />
|-<br />
| Wiki/better search, structure || Peters || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Buildbots || Fuhrmann, Cheng || 2 || || Gregor Hartmann from Sun and Bao Honglin from Redflag CH2000 assigned to this task. Kick of on IRC will take place before X-Mas. List of potential participants gathered and send out to ESC alias. <br />
|-<br />
| CWS Upload area || Hollmichel || 2 || Dec '07 || <br />
|-<br />
| Mailing lists/unsubscribed people should get replies to their threads || Fuhrmann || 3 || || <br />
|-<br />
| low barrier of entry/simple account creation || Fuhrmann || 4 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Storage needed for l10n builds, related to modularization issues || Fuhrmann, Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Packs/help contnent should be platform independent || Braconi, Peters || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Dictionaries to be moved to extensions, modularization || Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Fallback to en-US must be fixed (help img fallback doesn't work) || Bauer || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Access to translation data to be moved to Pootle || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Process and tools to allow localization of wiki content || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| email (offline) access to bugtracking || Fuhrmann || 2 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts.<br />
|-<br />
| make cvs artwork authoritative || Bauer || 3 || || <br />
|-<br />
| create checklist for full open source compliance for developers || Engelhardt || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| QA Unit tests || Meeks, Hütsch || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Make high impact bug reports visible || Hollmichel || || Dec' 07 || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=81913 Ubuntu]], [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=84291 Redflag 2000]] <br />
|-<br />
| More Developer-focues in processes || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast legal reviews for external modules || Hollmichel || || || <br />
|-<br />
| easy integration of small fixes || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast development turnaround || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| short build times || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| more ways of being diverse in the source code || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, independent Apps || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, customizable components (cust. features) || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, build on installed OOo || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, small developer packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, modular packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, smaller, independent packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| || || || || <br />
|-<br />
|}</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_dashboardESC dashboard2007-12-10T11:38:20Z<p>Nf: /* ESC Dashboard */</p>
<hr />
<div>= ESC Dashboard =<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name || Owner || Prio || Due || Notes <br />
|-<br />
| CVS to bazaar/git/subversion transition || Fuhrmann, Meeks, Klose || 1 || Q1 2008 || weekly meeting Friday 2pm UTC #oooscm, set up prototypes for evaluation. Details on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoSCM_Minutes <br />
|-<br />
| Unified sign on/Federated Identity || Fuhrmann || 1 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts. <br />
|-<br />
| Wiki/better search, structure || Peters || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Buildbots || Fuhrmann, Cheng || 2 || || Gregor Hartmann from Sun and Bao Honglin from Redflag CH2000 assigned to this task. Kick of on IRC will take place before X-Mas. List of potential participants gathered and send out to ESC alias. <br />
|-<br />
| CWS Upload area || Hollmichel || 2 || Dec '07 || <br />
|-<br />
| Mailing lists/unsubscribed people should get replies to their threads || Fuhrmann || 3 || || <br />
|-<br />
| low barrier of entry/simple account creation || Fuhrmann || 4 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Storage needed for l10n builds, related to modularization issues || Fuhrmann, Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Packs/help contnent should be platform independent || Braconi, Peters || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Dictionaries to be moved to extensions, modularization || Hütsch || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Language Fallback to en-US must be fixed (help img fallback doesn't work) || Bauer || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Access to translation data to be moved to Pootle || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| Process and tools to allow localization of wiki content || Braconi || 2 || || <br />
|-<br />
| email (offline) access to bugtracking || Fuhrmann || 2 || || Discussion took place sun internally. Requirement added to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements and handed over to Sun team which evaluates hosting efforts.<br />
|-<br />
| make cvs artwork authoritative || Bauer || 3 || || <br />
|-<br />
| create checklist for full open source compliance for developers || Engelhardt || 1 || || <br />
|-<br />
| QA Unit tests || Meeks, Hütsch || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Make high impact bug reports visible || Hollmichel || || Dec' 07 || [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=81913 Ubuntu]], [[http://www.openoffice.org/issues/showdependencytree.cgi?id=84291 Redflag 2000]] <br />
|-<br />
| More Developer-focues in processes || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast legal reviews for external modules || Hollmichel || || || <br />
|-<br />
| easy integration of small fixes || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| fast development turnaround || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| short build times || Bauer, Hollmichel, Meeks || || || follow up meeting needed to determine the issues<br />
|-<br />
| more ways of being diverse in the source code || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, independent Apps || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, customizable components (cust. features) || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, build on installed OOo || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, small developer packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, modular packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Modularization, smaller, independent packages || Hütsch, Meeks || || || <br />
|-<br />
| || || || || <br />
|-<br />
|}</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Infrastructure_RequirementsInfrastructure Requirements2007-12-10T11:34:39Z<p>Nf: /* Prioritized Item List */</p>
<hr />
<div>The following list contains the major functionalities expected from the <br />
OpenOffice.org infrastructure. The bullet points have been collected with focus on <br />
software developerment but are also applicable for the user oriented needs.<br />
<br />
== Prioritized Item List ==<br />
<br />
# Framework / Core<br />
#* lightweight role / user administration / SSH key management<br>[incl. authorization / authentication interfaces for cmdline / web based apps]<br>(e.g. LDAP directory, could be placed on the SVN/CVS server)<br />
#* SubProjects and SubProject Categories:<br />
#** The OpenOffice.org project is being organized into different SubProjects having their own DNS entries for WebSpace and Mailinglists eg. xml.openoffice.org; '''must'''; see also DNS<br />
#** Subprojects are classified into the 3 subproject catagories Accepted Project, Incubator Project, Native Language Project; '''must'''<br />
#** Access rights configurable for individual Subprojects; '''must'''<br />
#** A <b>Domain Developer</b> role gives access rights to all subprojects of the openoffice.org project; '''must'''<br />
#** documents and files feature per subproject where documents can be uploaded; edited etc.; '''must'''<br />
#** search feature - search in all OpenOffice.org subprojects or inside current OpenOffice.org subproject; '''must'''<br />
#** project announcements; '''should'''<br />
#* Sign-on<br />
#** Single sign-on across the different applications; '''must'''<br />
#** API to enable third-party applications to use the single sign-on; '''must'''<br />
#* Site Search<br />
#** covering web pages, issues, mailing lists; '''must'''<br />
#** no of pages: ~450k<br />
# DNS<br />
#* Required Domain Name Service DNS Entries:<br />
#** DNS Records for SubProjects of openoffice.org eg. gsl.openoffice.org, api.openoffice.org, tools.openoffice.org, de.openoffice.org. This includes Entries for Native Language Communities for example de.openoffice.org. All entries must have IP Address under which the sub-projects web content is being served and also MX records for the projects mailing lists.; '''must'''<br />
#** DNS Entry for SubDomain services.openoffice.org in control of DNS Server operated by StarOffice department, for tools like the Environment Information System (EIS); '''must'''<br />
#** DNS Entry for download.openoffice.org serving own web content; '''must'''<br />
#** DNS Entry for support.openoffice.org serving own web content; '''must'''<br />
#** DNS Entry for contributing.openoffice.org serving own web content; '''must'''<br />
#** DNS Entry for about.openoffice.org serving own web content; '''must'''<br />
# Web pages<br />
#* subprojects need own DNS entries, see DNS; '''must'''; external sites contain links to web content of subprojects which we would otherwise break<br />
#* special purpose web pages on own website (download, support, contributing, about), see DNS; '''must'''; <i>If not otherwise possible these may be configured as individual subprojects but it´s preferable to have the www.openoffice.org main site plus these special sites belong to just one subproject named website where content developers can join</i>.<br />
#* Navigation Bar on top available to all sub-projects and special purpose websites; '''must'''<br />
#* Navigation Bar left, project specific; '''must'''<br />
#* global info boxes on right side of MyPage, with eg. Community Council Announcements, Download section<br />
#* project specific announcements on MyPage; '''must'''<br />
#** Default Content of left navigation bar per subproject but overrideable per subdirectory; '''must'''<br />
#** Migration for files specifying content of left navigation bar in subdirectories; '''nice to have'''<br />
#** Content modification:<br />
#* all webpages in the repository are automatically surrounded by standard header (including login possibility, logo and top navigation bar), procject/directory specific left navigation bar and standard footer (including eg. copyright information); '''must'''<br />
#* possibility to get HTML pages without the surrounding navigation, header and footer content via /nonav/ in URL; '''must'''<br />
# Version Control System for source code<br>[For web publishing and documentation see CMS.]<br>[Some time ago we created a requirements list for a new OpenOffice.org SCM system. This can be found here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SCM_Requirements.]<br>The most important ones (distilled from the mentioned list):<br />
#* Clients:<br />
#** Clients must be available for all our supported platforms; '''must'''; <font color='green'>OK for Subversion</font><br />
#* Branches:<br />
#** SCM system needs to easily support a multitude of branches; '''must'''; <font color='green'>OK for Subversion</font>; <font color='red'> not supported for Mercurial</font><br />
#** Merge tracking should be either available or can be implemented by hand; '''must'''; <font color='green'>OK for Subversion</font>;<br />
#* Authentication:<br />
#** Passwords must be securely transmitted to prevent malicious commits; '''must''' <br />
#* Import:<br />
#** Import from CVS needs to be history preserving; '''must'''<br />
#** Import from CVS should be customizable (for example leave out old branches etc); '''should'''<br />
#** Import from CVS needs to be doable in days during final migration phase; '''must'''; <font color='green'>OK for Subversion with fsfs backend</font>; <font color='red'>not OK for Subversion with bdb backend</font>; <font color='red'>not OK for Mercurial</font>;<br />
#* Performance:<br />
#** The performance of common used operations (checkout, commit, log, merge) should not be significantly slower than CVS as presented by CN; '''must'''<br />
#* Replication:<br />
#** There needs to be a way to replicate the repository to save bandwidth; '''must'''<br />
#* Binary files, LF/CR conversions<br />
#** Proper handling of binary files; '''must'''; <font color='green'>OK for Subversion</font>;<br />
#** LF/CR conversions; '''should'''; <font color='green'>OK for Subversion</font>;<br />
#* admin access for deletion, move<br />
#* functionality similar to cvsup, anoncvs, viewcvs, notification mails; '''must'''<br />
#* simple permission system; '''should'''<br />
#* Sudo root access for selected admins; '''should'''<br />
#* Functionality similar to bonsai, lxr, fisheye / CIA etc.; '''should'''<br />
#Bugtracking<br />
#* Number of issues inside OOo:<br />
#** total 82600 (closed 57693)<br />
#** number of distinct submitters: 18500<br />
#** number of distinct assignees: 1600<br />
#** number of attached files: 49000<br />
#* States:<br />
#** ASSIGNED, CLOSED, NEW, REOPEN, RESOLVED, STARTED, UNCONFIRMED, VERIFIED; '''must'''<br />
#* Resolution:<br />
#** DUPLICATE, FIXED, INVALID, LATER, REMIND, WONTFIX, WORKSFORME; '''must''' (Further details about the workflow and the relationship between State and Resolution http://www.openoffice.org/scdocs/issue_lifecycle.html)<br />
#* Types:<br />
#** DEFECT, ENHANCEMENT, FEATURE, PATCH, TASK; '''must''' (may be PATCH can be dropped later -> Was a request for CollabNet)<br />
#* Additional fields and values:<br />
#* Import- and export of data:<br />
#** XML; '''must'''<br />
#** remove export as 'Word'/'Excel'; '''must'''<br />
#* Attachments:<br />
#** Possibility to attach any type of file to the issue, eg. OpenOffice.org documents, pictures, source code, source code patches; '''must'''<br />
#* Keywords:<br />
#** List of Keywords or tags to assign to issues as a method to organize QA work; '''must'''<br />
#* central configuration; '''must'''<br />
#* Email-notification of modified issues; '''must'''<br />
#* Email (offline) access to bugtracking (comment, status change, ...); '''should'''<br />
#* One issue-tracking instance for more than one project; '''must'''<br />
# Wiki (CMS)<br />
#* MediaWiki, version ? ; '''should'''<br />
#* Required extensions/features:<br />
#** DisplayTitle feature ; '''must''' for Docs<br />
#** DynamicPageList; '''should'''<br />
#** Syntax Highlighter (GeSHi) ; '''must''' for Docs<br />
#** Breadcrumbs ; '''must''' for Docs<br />
#** Hierarchical pages ; '''must''' for Docs;<br />
#** Category Tree; '''should'''<br />
#** wfGFlashExtension; '''should'''<br />
#** wfLabeledSectionTransclusion ; '''must''' for Docs<br />
#** Parser extensions (own implementation) ; '''must''' for Docs<br />
#* Possibility of installing own extensions ; '''must'''<br />
#* Number of categories: 200<br />
#* Number of pages: 7723 within 2000 content pages (Docs will soon increase this number by 900 (DevGuide) and possibly another 2,000 (Help)<br />
#* Number of uploaded files: 2200<br />
#* Number of edit/day: 7<br />
#* Number of users: 10181<br>Further details http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Statistics<br />
#* allow branding; '''must'''<br />
#* localized UI; '''should'''<br />
#* versioned; '''must'''<br />
#* namespaces; '''must'''<br />
#* reuse of content (templates, server-side-include); '''must'''<br />
#* publication routes for wiki-based documentation (ODF/PDF); '''should'''<br />
#* localization of wiki-based content; '''should'''<br />
# Mailing Lists<br />
#* Types:<br />
#**unmoderated;open to anyone(mostly unused at collab); '''must'''<br />
#**discuss;subcribed users Post/Read allowed,archive Read allowed others moderated (most common); '''must'''<br />
#**moderated;Post always moderated; Read archive; '''must'''<br />
#**allowed poster:<br />
#**domain wide allowed poster:<br />
#**sublist;subcribed to another List; gathering global Information eg; issues@<project>.openoffice.org to ML issues@openoffice; '''must'''<br />
#* non-site-member subscription (external archives); '''must'''<br />
#* Archiving; '''must'''<br />
#* Toplevel mailinglists: allcvs@openoffice.org; '''must'''<br />
#* migrating current Archives; '''must'''<br />
#* round about 850 Mailinglists with different types to migrate; '''must'''<br />
#* SPAM / Virus protected (Important especially for agenda@council.openoffice.org. See "Comm b/w CC and CMs" below); '''must'''<br />
#* [RSS] for easy syndication of new from various parts of the site, including the home page and mac port pages.; '''should'''<br />
#* webbased forums; '''should'''<br />
#* NNTP; '''must'''<br />
#* attachment stripping; '''must'''<br />
#* customizable headers, footers, robot replies; '''must'''<br />
# Audit<br />
# Communication between Community Council and Community Members<br />
#* Protect [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=agenda&by=date&from=2007-10-01&to=2007-10-31&first=1&count=22 agenda@council.openoffice.org] against spams and make it easy-to-post and easy-to-find community-proposals which should not be buried in spams.<br />
#* Additional infrastructure where CC can listen to contributors, developers and other Community members and talk with them daily.<br />
# L10n and T9n for about 100 languages<br />
#* Storage for:<br />
#** Pootle<br />
#** translation memories<br />
#** glossaries<br />
#** KeyID builds<br />
#** extensions translation process<br />
#** documentation translation process<br />
#* Management tools<br />
<br />
== Unprioritized List ==<br />
<br />
* localization of UI parts (bugtracking, webpages, ...) and process for new locales<br />
* reporting / stats / logfiles<br />
* Search via Google, Yahoo, ...<br />
* mail forwarding (xxx@openoffice.org)<br />
* IP / domain blocking<br />
* blog / planet<br />
* download, documents & files structured in folders<br />
* surveys / votes / polls<br />
* general open-ness for integration of scripting (PHP, Perl, ...)<br />
* MySQL databases<br />
* provide SSL logon for security reasons<br />
* rise the limit for mail attachments from 2 MB to 10 MB<br />
<br />
== Migration process ==<br />
* public access to the staging server<br />
<br />
== Key Numbers ==<br />
<br />
Per day the main site (actually the accelerators) receives 4-6M hits / 100,000 - 150,000 visits and sends 40-60GB. In peaks like the OpenOffice.org 2.0 launch there were > 16M hits per day with more than 400,000 visits.<br />
<br />
The mail server has to be prepared to handle 50 msg/sec and 300 parallel sessions when the rising tide flows in.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Infrastructure_Overview]]<br />
* [[Infrastructure_Problems]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Website]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T10:12:37Z<p>Nf: /* Attendees */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
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|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail address for feedback reporting || lgodard || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || removed || <br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-18: Add note to provide English text for extension description to submission process || TBO/MD || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-18: Create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed extension descriptions in languages other then English || Laurent/MD || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incoming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some difficulties regarding setting up the mail addresses and how mails are handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82620). To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the last session are initiated again. Anything possible to avoid this? General answer: Such behavior is expected and there is nothing we can do about it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension description, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten). We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
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|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T10:10:18Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-10-18 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* <strike>Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)</strike><br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail address for feedback reporting || lgodard || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || removed || <br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-18: Add note to provide English text for extension description to submission process || TBO/MD || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-18: Create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed extension descriptions in languages other then English || Laurent/MD || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incoming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some difficulties regarding setting up the mail addresses and how mails are handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82620). To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the last session are initiated again. Anything possible to avoid this? General answer: Such behavior is expected and there is nothing we can do about it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension description, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten). We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T10:07:27Z<p>Nf: /* Round Table */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* <strike>Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)</strike><br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || removed || <br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-18: Add note to provide English text for extension description to submission process || TBO/MD || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-18: Create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed extension descriptions in languages other then English || Laurent/MD || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incomming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some dificulties raearding setting up the mail adresses and how mails are handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82620). To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the last session are initiated again. Anything possible to avoid this? General answer: Such behaviour is expected and there is nothing we can do abaut it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension discription, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten). We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T10:06:39Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-10-18 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* <strike>Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)</strike><br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || removed || <br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-18: Add note to provide English text for extension description to submission process || TBO/MD || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-18: Create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed extension descriptions in languages other then English || Laurent/MD || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incomming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some dificulties raearding setting up the mail adresses and how mails are handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82620). To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the las session are initiated again- which is locical. Anything possible to avoid this? General answer: Such behaviour is expected and there is nothing we can do abaut it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension discription, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten). We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T10:06:06Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-10-18 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* <strike>Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)</strike><br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || removed || <br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-18: Add note to provide English text for extension description to submission process || TBO/MD || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-18: Create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed extension descriptions in languages other then English || Laurent/MD || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incomming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some dificulties raearding setting up the mail adresses and how mails are handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82620). To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the las session are initiated again- which is locical. Anything possible to avoid this?<br />
General answer: Such behaviour is expected and there is nothing we can do abaut it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension discription, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten). We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T10:05:36Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-10-18 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* <strike>Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)</strike><br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || removed || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-18: Add note to provide English text for extension description to submission process || TBO/MD || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-18: Create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed extension descriptions in languages other then English || Laurent/MD || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incomming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some dificulties raearding setting up the mail adresses and how mails are handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82620). To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the las session are initiated again- which is locical. Anything possible to avoid this?<br />
General answer: Such behaviour is expected and there is nothing we can do abaut it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension discription, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten). We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T09:01:21Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-10-18 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* <strike>Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)</strike><br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* Simon Lopez (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)</strike><br />
* <strike>Kami (IRC: kami)</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Done, process is live. Incomming extensions are checked for viruses from now on.<br />
*2_2007-10-04: in_progress, Thorsten is working on this. Some open issues regarding caching wrt locale.<br />
*3_2007-10-04: Open, l10n team to be invited for discussion, once we know more details regarding the l10n related AIs<br />
*1_2007-10-11: Some dificulties raearding setting up the mail adresses and how mails a handled. Laurent to follow up on this e.g. with Stefan T.<br />
*2_2007-10-11: Done<br />
*3_2007-10-11: AI now filed as Issue 82620. To be removed from AI list.<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Done.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent: When reopening Firefox with last state saved, downloads done during the las session are initiated again- which is locical. Anything possible to avoid this?<br />
General answer: Such behaviour is expected and there is nothing we can do abaut it. <br />
<br />
* Martin: How to proceed with Extensions which are placed in the Repository and do contain an Extension discription, other then English? We will add a note to provide an English description during the submission process (AI: Martin, Thorsten) We will create a standart mail to contact submitters who filed in languages other then English. (AI: Laurent, Martin)<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-18T07:41:43Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-10-11 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-18 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: <br />
*2_2007-10-04:<br />
*3_2007-10-04:<br />
*1_2007-10-11:<br />
*2_2007-10-11:<br />
*3_2007-10-11:<br />
*4_2007-10-11:<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* <br />
<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-18-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-11 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:30 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* <strike>Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)</strike><br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)</strike><br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* <strike>Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)</strike><br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* <strike>Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)</strike><br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* Mathias Michel (IRC: matm)<br />
* Kami (IRC: kami)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' TBO (NF, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST, TBO)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || done || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || done ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || done||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || done ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC/TBO || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-11: Set up mail adress for feedback reporting || lgodard || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-11: Change home page to cycle through different views|| TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-11: Provide additional views: "all time popular" and "last 30 days popular" for downloads of extension releases || TBO || new || 82620<br />
|-<br />
| 4_2007-10-11: Download redirect/followup behaviour change || TBO || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: Needs further testing<br />
*2_2007-8-30: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=82704<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed - accepted via voting.<br />
*3_2007-9-13: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/feedback<br />
*2_2007-10-04: Thorsten will take a look into this what drupals offerings are http://drupal.org/node/133978 http://drupal.org/node/133977<br />
*2_2007-10-11: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/homepage : cycle randomly through "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random"<br />
*4_2007-10-11: Click 'Get It!': Stay on page and show download page + link back to extension; Start Download; If wanted by extension submitter: open new window with external content.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Resulted in Action items: 2_2007-10-11, 3_2007-10-11 & 4_2007-10-11<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-11-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]<br />
<br />
= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)</strike><br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' ST (NF, TBO, KSO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, ST)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || closed|| <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || closed || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-10-04: Review and update site todo list || TBO || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-10-04: Clarify infrastructure for localization of static content with Thorsten || JSC || new ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-10-04: Propose workflow for localization of static content || JSC || new ||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23: no update<br />
*2_2007-8-23: the old list is at [[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08#Site_Design_Topics]]. This AI will be closed in favor of a new one 1_2007-10-04<br />
*3_2007-8-23: closed due to inactivity<br />
*2_2007-8-30: The online update extensions specification is to be extended for the general / English part first; with additional information about localization then.<br />
*3_2007-8-30: closed; discussion led to the AIs for JSC mentioned below.<br />
*2_2007-9-06: no update<br />
*1_2007-9-13: the removal of "By Tag" has been proposed<br />
*3_2007-9-13: stalled; no update<br />
*3_2007-9-20: no update<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
<br />
* Laurent proposed to list extensions randomly on the site homepage. Another approach would be to give all extensions a chance by switching between "last modified", "most popular", "highest voted" and "random".<br />
* It was suggested to provide a filter for free/non-free extensions.<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-10Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-102007-10-04T06:44:10Z<p>Nf: </p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-10-04 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;11:00 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer (IRC: bettina-h)<br />
* Joachim Lingner (IRC: jl)<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt (IRC: jsc)<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike> (IRC: kso)<br />
* Martin Damboldt (IRC: mdamboldt)<br />
* Stefan Taxhet (IRC: stx12)<br />
* Thorsten Bosbach (IRC: b_osi)<br />
* Nils Fuhrmann (IRC: SunNF)<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike> (IRC: ?)<br />
* <strike>Olaf Felka</strike> (IRC: olaf-f)<br />
* Jörg Skottke (IRC: skotti)<br />
* Laurent Godard (IRC: lgodard)<br />
* <strike>Simon Lopez</strike> (IRC: slopez)<br />
* <strike>Mathias Michel</strike> (IRC: matm)<br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF (TBO, KSO, ST, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-23: find out whether ClamAV is available for the platform our extension site server is running on || MD || in progress ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-23: solve open site layout issues according to todo list || TBO || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-23: provide Action plan for Localization Framework || tbd. (Simon Lopez) || stalled || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-30: Define Requirements for Tooltips in Extension Manager and Update Notification || BH (KSO) || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-30: Follow up on localization of extension site || JSC || in progress || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-9-06: Talk to STS about the page which is displayed after downloading an extension. || MD || in progress ||<br />
|- <br />
| 1_2007-9-13: provide some statistics about the usage of "By Tag" compared to the tag cloud || ST || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-13: prepare a discussion proposal how we can collect feedback and how we can handle the feedback || MATM || open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-9-20: Provide "get in contact" checkbox for extension submitter to receive feedback via webform from users. || TBO || in progress||<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
<br />
*1_2007-8-23:<br />
*2_2007-8-23:<br />
*3_2007-8-23:<br />
*2_2007-8-30:<br />
*3_2007-8-30:<br />
*2_2007-9-06:<br />
*1_2007-9-13:<br />
*3_2007-9-13:<br />
*3_2007-9-20:<br />
<br />
== IRC Details ==<br />
<br />
*[[Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-09/2007-10-04-IRCLogs|IRC Log]]</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-08Extensions/website/Minutes/2007-082007-08-09T09:00:57Z<p>Nf: </p>
<hr />
<div>= 2007-08-09 =<br />
<br />
10:00&ndash;10:35 CEST<br />
<br />
== Attendees ==<br />
<br />
* Bettina Haberer<br />
* Joachim Lingner<br />
* Jürgen Schmidt<br />
* <strike>Kai Sommerfeld</strike><br />
* <strike>Martin Damboldt</strike><br />
* <strike>Stefan Taxhet</strike><br />
* <strike>Thorsten Bosbach</strike><br />
* Nils Fuhrmann<br />
* <strike>Stella Schulze</strike><br />
* <strike>Laurent Godard</strike><br />
<br />
''Minute Taker:'' NF next (KSO, ST, TBO, STS, JL, JSC, MD, BH, NF)<br />
<br />
== Action Items ==<br />
<br />
{|border=1<br />
|+ Action Items<br />
|- bgcolor=lightgrey<br />
! Item !! Owner !! Status !! Due Date<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-7-5: How could an update feed be generated on the extensions.services.opennoffice.org site?|| TBO || open || 2007-8-9<br />
|-<br />
| 5_2007-7-5: Prepare Notification of Extension Owners about Site || ST || open || 2007-8-1<br />
|-<br />
| 7_2007-7-5: Prepare an example full feature download extension, to review the presentation of the extension || TBO, STS || Stalled || 2007-08-09<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-7-12: Martin will find out about license conditions for using anti virus software on the extension website. || MD || Stalled || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-7-19: take care of appropriate input for the new getmore page || ST || in progress || 2007-08-09<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-7-26: find out whether there is a size limit when submitting extensions into the repository || MD || Open ||<br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-7-26: investigate on lossed platform fields for submitting extensions || MD/TBO || Open || 2007-08-09<br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-7-26: create links to point people to the extension section of the developers guide within the extension repository || JSC/TBO || In progress || 2007-08-09<br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-03: Compile content about versioning, naming etc. of extensions for the documentation || MD || Open || <br />
|-<br />
| 1_2007-8-09: Add number of people rated || TBO || new || <br />
|-<br />
| 2_2007-8-09: Correct layout when image is visible within the overview || TBO || new || <br />
|-<br />
| 3_2007-8-09: Solve upload issue || TBO || new || <br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''Comments on Action Items'''<br />
* 3_2007-7-26: Juergen send out the links. Needs some further communication with Thorsten to reflect the links with some extra words to the site.<br />
<br />
== Topics ==<br />
* Juergen: Open Cards extension was uploaded to the site. Looks like there is a bug within the layout when a image is visible within the overview. The alignment of the rating is incorrect. Thorsten to take a look on this.<br />
<br />
* Juergen: The number of people rated is not visible. This needs to be added to get user a better understanding about the rating. AI Thorsten<br />
<br />
* Nils: Martin Hollmichel tried to upload a developer snapshot of the ReportBuilder. He failed and had to place the binaries on a external resource. Thorsten to take a look on this issue.<br />
<br />
== Round Table ==<br />
* We had a short conversation about how to proceed regarding the developer, user and provider documentation for the site. We agreed that high volume documentation should be nested within the wiki and the links should be available on the site. Small docuemntation (such as the user resources) should be available on the site directly. The corresponding owners of the documentation will take care of this (Juergen: developer, Bettina: user, Thorsten: provider)</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_minutesESC minutes2007-06-25T15:53:29Z<p>Nf: /* Finding QA for workspaces */</p>
<hr />
<div>Engineering Steering Committee Meetings Minutes<br />
<br />
The Engineering Steering Committee meets every two weeks on Monday 4pm UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html).<br />
<br />
= agenda for next meetings =<br />
<br />
== 2007-06-25 ==<br />
<br />
* review of draft of new cws policies (latest version on http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/~mh93703/cws-policies-2007_06_25.html )<br />
<br />
* meeting in Barcelona ( http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/programme/tuesday.html )<br />
<br />
== open agenda items ==<br />
<br />
* OpenOffice.org source control system (SCM): what is the roadmap for the future ?<br />
<br />
= Minutes =<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2007-06-11 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Thorsten Ziehm, Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Pavel Janik, Nils Fuhrmann<br />
<br />
=== Finding QA for workspaces ===<br />
* thorsten: new way to locate a qa person, qa.openoffice.org reorganized to have "Responsibilities" section for each major component, find your qa person there.<br />
* mmeeks: How about qa doing the builds, externally provided ones don't fit qa requirements<br />
* all: build bots would solve this<br />
* what do we need to get them working<br />
* Nils: action item, more info on the status of windows buildbot<br />
* Nils: who owns the linux ones<br />
* mmeeks: configmgr refactor, loads of work, startup performance improvement. Who to set as qa owner, and how to get it qa-ed. No unit tests exist for it, and no way to add some<br />
* thorsten: normally we'd just run the qa integration tests<br />
* mba: there is some additional uno testing infrastructure available that attempts to use api-coverage of the uno components. Will provide some info offline<br />
* ???: are we happy to remove the extra unused configmgr stuff<br />
* mba: sure, it's redundant to requirements now<br />
<br />
=== User Experience ===<br />
<br />
==== Old patches and features stuck on User Experience input ====<br />
<br />
* lutz: We did a review and there are lots of them, the team has shrunk so big backlog<br />
* lutz: Have handled a lot of the backlog, for the future team leads to be enabled to make their own decisions by defining what sort of issues need UE input.<br />
* lutz: Currently working on these [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/HowTo_Request_User_Experience_Assistance guidelines] to try and also bring external people into the fold to involve more people in the process.<br />
* Nesshof: new [http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/~mh93703/cws-policies-2007_06_11.html cws policies] part of this process revision.<br />
* mmeeks: do we even need specs and qe input into features, just do it, and back it out if QE notes problems<br />
* lutz: in the pre-spec days when we did this, feature confusion, a lot of ping-ponging rolling back and forward developer introduced features<br />
* lutz: but do want to move into more of an adviser role, rather than a feature gatekeeper rule<br />
* mmeeks: reasonable, but means that some issues are ones that are features which can go ahead, and some are ones which are problematic<br />
* lutz: sure, UE will be working to give a *much* faster feedback for less than two weeks<br />
* meeks: can we get a timeout, if greater than two weeks means not a problematic blocker feature<br />
* lutz: yeah, we're agreeable to that<br />
<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: sometimes developer suggests a little feature, and sometimes then gets asked to extend things to refactor loads of related things.<br />
* lutz: there is that temptation for UE to request a rework of loads of stuff when they think they have a captive developer, but yes we accept it is a snowball thing, we should just go with the original improvement, and then consider separately if we have the resources to do a full rework.<br />
* mba: though sometimes if we're already working on a rework of an area, then adding features that affects that area is a problem<br />
* mmeeks: sure, not a problem<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: of course developers do little test features to see if this project is the type that'll take patches and features, and if the little one works out then they will consider bigger ones. So being asked to do mega features straight away is a blocker for them.<br />
<br />
<br />
* Nesshof: conclusion is that lutz will provide the new document of guidelines.<br />
<br />
=== Regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=45245 double click to rename sheet] ====<br />
* mmeeks: So ignored, comments indicate a requirement for a thousand yard vision of consistency across apps before acceptance. But that's such a minor issue considered against the benefits it gives. Really should have just been integrated immediately. Anyone disagree ?<br />
* lutz: An example where this breaks consistency in our own apps to conform to MS Office refugees. If we follow this road too long then we risk fragmentation of the user's experience. I worry about that.<br />
* mmeeks: In this case the consistency of double clicking on the tab isn't really all that sensible, is it the case that for this issue it is an excuse to get rid of the issue<br />
<br />
'thoughtful moment'<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 trivial warning fix] ====<br />
* mba: patch for code that isn't used anymore<br />
* mmeeks: but blocks compiling as it breaks our build system<br />
* mba; yeah, there's no reason to integrate it<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49351 trivial warning fix] ====<br />
* same as before *<br />
* meeks: we could just take care of them in a cws, but so much process<br />
* Nesshof: we'll be bringing in a faster system for this type of developer only impact bug type<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=48814 -dontstrip installer option] ====<br />
* mba: but it is marked as integrated, what is the problem<br />
* mmeeks: some confusion in this issue, will refile to get this clarified.<br />
<br />
== 2007-05-28 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Volker Quetschke, <br />
<br />
=== Problems of build creation / provision for QA === <br />
* Nesshof: chicken & egg problem - not used much so not that reliable.<br />
* cmc: Tried to use Sun-Win1 once, but took a whole day to build, and not reliable. Need ability to patch out known bugs in the master.<br />
* Nesshof: poke ChristianL / the tinderbox mailing list, we need a common effort to make it work.<br />
* cmc: the Mac tinderboxes work really well, well maintained, great to see.<br />
* mmeeks: what does 'we' mean wrt. common effort.<br />
* Nesshof: mainly ChristianL<br />
* mmeeks: it is the Sun requirement for 2 platforms that kills lots of incoming CWS' though<br />
* Nesshof: ause maintains Sun-Win1, xp-1-3 are ex. Intel &amp; dead.<br />
* cmc: while can make Win32 builds with LCC etc. now - huge effort &amp; when Vista arrives - ~impossible.<br />
* vq: can volunteer to do CWS builds for individuals occasionally<br />
* mmeeks: best to have a repeatable, automated process: why does Sun have a totally separate, internal process so they don't share the pain / testing / benefits ?<br />
* mba: there are shared developer machines inside Sun for CWS building - but highly loaded, not using build-bot, and building with the StarOffice pieces.<br />
* Nesshof: new win32 build machine coming, perhaps can get one more from OO.o Ev. - 2 should do perhaps.<br />
* mmeeks: would be good if Sun people could use it too; to share the fun.<br />
<br />
=== Finding QA for workspaces ===<br />
<br />
* cmc: how do you find the right QA engineer for a workspace ?<br />
* mmeeks: the canonical page is: [[DomainDeveloper#QA_Engineers|DomainDeveloper]]<br />
* cmc: but surely these guys don't just want these to drop out of the blue ?<br />
* Nesshof: postpone until next time for Nils.<br />
* mmeeks: anything else ? RCS discussion ?<br />
* Nesshof: postpone RCS discussion until ready.<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63263 fpicker problems] ====<br />
* cmc: the process required a build on 2 Unix's including Solaris - the build-bot wouldn't work, gave up in disgust / deleted the CWS many months ago. It would be nice to have a policy change - if a change affects only Unix - we need only build it on one Unix platform: not Win32 too.<br />
* mba/mmeeks: rant elided.<br />
* mba: It's clear (to a developer) no Win32 code touched here at all, Unix/Gtk+ only fpicker change &lt; later mmeeks note: the multi-selection fix, also touched core code ... &gt;<br />
* cmc: not doing the work again here; simply not touching this.<br />
* mba: need to ask Nils: getting an exception from dual-platform builds for this case: seems acceptable to me.<br />
* mmeeks: interesting that the experience here turned a friendly, rational, balanced person against touching this again: consider if cmc was not paid to work with OO.o.<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=20496 calc: improved formula entry] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: as before, pushed to user-experience, has specification, no action for 6 months, type changed so doesn't show in statistics. As we discussed before having a time-out for user-experience seems to make sense. User experience very busy, lots of scattered incoming requests, need chasing sometimes.<br />
* mmeeks: we should get Lutz to the next meeting to discuss. Having said that, do you really believe that the calc team are unaware of the likelihood of getting a response from UE ?<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35578 autofilter options] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: awaiting user-experience input again - now nearly 1/2 of bugs we've seen in this state.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21923 password dialog itch] ====<br />
mba: re-assigned to 'requirements' - 'requirements' is a nonsense.<br />
cmc: requirements is a useful dumping ground for crack-smoking bugs: someone else gets to let the people down.<br />
mba: in writer, I review all of the 'requirements' bugs myself carefully. Easy to fix though - I'll re-assign to someone I know can take this, trivial patch anyway.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35338 auto-correction fix] ====<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: 2+ years waiting for user-experience feedback. A very common problem: almost ~all users of calc (or impress) will face & fight this. Punt discussion until we have Lutz.<br />
<br />
== 2007-05-14 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Pavel Janik, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Nils Fuhrmann, Volker Quetschke, <br />
<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 calc: persist csv import settings] ====<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: walk through of the timeline<br />
* mba: something that the IRT/IIT metrics don't catch<br />
* mba: UE team don't track issues regularly & Falko left<br />
* mmeeks: It seems some people (UE) demand their say, but then don't say anything.<br />
* mba: didn't we suggest timeouts for non-controversial changes before ? here for User Experience ?<br />
* mmeeks: yes - but discarded by QA previously, as part of stymied new inclusion work-flow.<br />
* Nesshof: did you consider mailing dev@specs to ping them ?<br />
* mmeeks: no; we don't have the issue in our ooo-builds, why burn yet more time here ?<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66680 gsl: image shrink - ka009] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: talked to KaiA today, for an explanation. Not a high priority for him, and a wide change, somehow always other higher priority tasks.<br />
* mmeeks: why such a huge problem for QA ? what would these guys do ?<br />
* nils: (after introduction) - depends on the change: run the test-tool over it, and poke on specifics identified by the developer. Looked at this CWS - it was resynched many times, but never marked 'Ready for QA'.<br />
* mmeeks: can we accelerate the QA process with tooling ?<br />
* mba: plenty of examples of internal Sun CWS' that until now also never made it, priorities changed etc. Surely Novell can do QA on it themselves ? (perhaps problems with multiple platforms) ?<br />
* mmeeks: we can do that, but we already ship it to our customers, we tested it ourselves etc. what more needs doing ? we filed up-stream for patch review: no response.<br />
* mba: patch review is not possible for all patches; huge backlog of them, and the burden is too high.<br />
* mmeeks: it is not a goal then to review all patches ?<br />
* mba: it's the goal but we can't guarantee an integration in a defined time frame; we also have to fight against the backlog (the issues discussed here mostly belong to it)<br />
* mmeeks: I expect (from other projects) that there is a maintainer / gate-keeper for all code, that is ultimately responsible, and cares about that code and that has the final say for inclusion; is that not the case in OO.o ?<br />
* Nesshof: not totally true - project leads should be able to find people with some interest in a piece of code to do some review. The idea is everyone can change any code, there is no dedicated ownership.<br />
* mba: lots of old code, some modules may have no assigned maintainer that knows the code as well as the original developers. Code reviews alone don't guarantee fast integration of patches. Mozilla is a project with excessive use of code reviews. It is notorious to be slow at responding to patches. Not all Open Source projects have a clear maintainership structure. OO.o can't be compared with anything else, mainly due to its history, but also because of its many millions of lines.<br />
* mmeeks: well, it's really unusual (in my experience) not to have anyone responsible for each bit of code; it needs documenting.<br />
<br />
==== to be continued ... ====<br />
<br />
* Nesshof: can continue the rest via E-mail<br />
* mmeeks: not interested directly in solving the issues, but understanding them, and learning about process problems from them.<br />
* mba: Proposal for "lessons learned from the patches": developers sending patches to UEx/QA whatever should still be considered to be responsible. Developers asked for a code review should react more reliably. If developers feel overwhelmed by a patch they should make this clear.<br />
<br />
=== coordinating the next feature releases ===<br />
<br />
Clarify what the important issues for the next releases are, who is doing what work, next major version of OpenOffice.org<br />
* Nesshof: Please update [[Features]] page with details.<br />
* Nesshof: we're looking to do a 3.0 release Q3 2008 (what would be 2.5) - what do people think ?<br />
* mmeeks: a marketing decision right ?<br />
* Nesshof: yes, we continue 6monthly releases until then.<br />
<br />
==== coordination of new features ====<br />
<br />
We just experience that two groups Novell and CH2000 are working on the same feature (text grid control)<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: This is an issue of CH2000 not doing their work in a public fashion, Novell consulted, blogged, and took this to the ODF TC.<br />
* mba: Writer developers of CH2000 mostly doing bug fixes and new feature bits in writer core and layout. We will discuss all work done together with them on the dev mailing list of the sw project.<br />
* xiuzhi: to avoid the confilt with other volunteers again,I will give a list of new features we will submit to OOo.<br />
<br />
== 2007-04-30 ==<br />
<br />
participants: cmc, mh, pjanik, vq<br />
<br />
1. IRC, Telecon, Telecon/IRC, Skype meetings?<br />
<br />
mh will provide dial in number until May 14th<br />
Idea: should we try using e.g. Skype?<br />
<br />
2. Nils, Xiuzhi and Dieter will be added to the list.<br />
<br />
3. AI: mmeeks will provide list of top 10 patches and we will try to cover first 2 - 3 in a meeting ?</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_minutesESC minutes2007-06-25T15:52:53Z<p>Nf: /* 2007-06-11 */</p>
<hr />
<div>Engineering Steering Committee Meetings Minutes<br />
<br />
The Engineering Steering Committee meets every two weeks on Monday 4pm UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html).<br />
<br />
= agenda for next meetings =<br />
<br />
== 2007-06-25 ==<br />
<br />
* review of draft of new cws policies (latest version on http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/~mh93703/cws-policies-2007_06_25.html )<br />
<br />
* meeting in Barcelona ( http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/programme/tuesday.html )<br />
<br />
== open agenda items ==<br />
<br />
* OpenOffice.org source control system (SCM): what is the roadmap for the future ?<br />
<br />
= Minutes =<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2007-06-11 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Thorsten Ziehm, Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Pavel Janik, Nils Fuhrmann<br />
<br />
=== Finding QA for workspaces ===<br />
* thorsten: new way to locate a qa person, qa.openoffice.org reorganized to have "Responsibilities" section for each major component, find your qa person there.<br />
* mmeeks: How about qa doing the builds, externally provided ones don't fit qa requirements<br />
* all: build bots would solve this<br />
* what do we need to get them working<br />
* Nesshof: action item, more info on the status of windows buildbot<br />
* Nesshof: who owns the linux ones<br />
* mmeeks: configmgr refactor, loads of work, startup performance improvement. Who to set as qa owner, and how to get it qa-ed. No unit tests exist for it, and no way to add some<br />
* thorsten: normally we'd just run the qa integration tests<br />
* mba: there is some additional uno testing infrastructure available that attempts to use api-coverage of the uno components. Will provide some info offline<br />
* ???: are we happy to remove the extra unused configmgr stuff<br />
* mba: sure, it's redundant to requirements now<br />
<br />
=== User Experience ===<br />
<br />
==== Old patches and features stuck on User Experience input ====<br />
<br />
* lutz: We did a review and there are lots of them, the team has shrunk so big backlog<br />
* lutz: Have handled a lot of the backlog, for the future team leads to be enabled to make their own decisions by defining what sort of issues need UE input.<br />
* lutz: Currently working on these [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/HowTo_Request_User_Experience_Assistance guidelines] to try and also bring external people into the fold to involve more people in the process.<br />
* Nesshof: new [http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/~mh93703/cws-policies-2007_06_11.html cws policies] part of this process revision.<br />
* mmeeks: do we even need specs and qe input into features, just do it, and back it out if QE notes problems<br />
* lutz: in the pre-spec days when we did this, feature confusion, a lot of ping-ponging rolling back and forward developer introduced features<br />
* lutz: but do want to move into more of an adviser role, rather than a feature gatekeeper rule<br />
* mmeeks: reasonable, but means that some issues are ones that are features which can go ahead, and some are ones which are problematic<br />
* lutz: sure, UE will be working to give a *much* faster feedback for less than two weeks<br />
* meeks: can we get a timeout, if greater than two weeks means not a problematic blocker feature<br />
* lutz: yeah, we're agreeable to that<br />
<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: sometimes developer suggests a little feature, and sometimes then gets asked to extend things to refactor loads of related things.<br />
* lutz: there is that temptation for UE to request a rework of loads of stuff when they think they have a captive developer, but yes we accept it is a snowball thing, we should just go with the original improvement, and then consider separately if we have the resources to do a full rework.<br />
* mba: though sometimes if we're already working on a rework of an area, then adding features that affects that area is a problem<br />
* mmeeks: sure, not a problem<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: of course developers do little test features to see if this project is the type that'll take patches and features, and if the little one works out then they will consider bigger ones. So being asked to do mega features straight away is a blocker for them.<br />
<br />
<br />
* Nesshof: conclusion is that lutz will provide the new document of guidelines.<br />
<br />
=== Regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=45245 double click to rename sheet] ====<br />
* mmeeks: So ignored, comments indicate a requirement for a thousand yard vision of consistency across apps before acceptance. But that's such a minor issue considered against the benefits it gives. Really should have just been integrated immediately. Anyone disagree ?<br />
* lutz: An example where this breaks consistency in our own apps to conform to MS Office refugees. If we follow this road too long then we risk fragmentation of the user's experience. I worry about that.<br />
* mmeeks: In this case the consistency of double clicking on the tab isn't really all that sensible, is it the case that for this issue it is an excuse to get rid of the issue<br />
<br />
'thoughtful moment'<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 trivial warning fix] ====<br />
* mba: patch for code that isn't used anymore<br />
* mmeeks: but blocks compiling as it breaks our build system<br />
* mba; yeah, there's no reason to integrate it<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49351 trivial warning fix] ====<br />
* same as before *<br />
* meeks: we could just take care of them in a cws, but so much process<br />
* Nesshof: we'll be bringing in a faster system for this type of developer only impact bug type<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=48814 -dontstrip installer option] ====<br />
* mba: but it is marked as integrated, what is the problem<br />
* mmeeks: some confusion in this issue, will refile to get this clarified.<br />
<br />
== 2007-05-28 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Volker Quetschke, <br />
<br />
=== Problems of build creation / provision for QA === <br />
* Nesshof: chicken & egg problem - not used much so not that reliable.<br />
* cmc: Tried to use Sun-Win1 once, but took a whole day to build, and not reliable. Need ability to patch out known bugs in the master.<br />
* Nesshof: poke ChristianL / the tinderbox mailing list, we need a common effort to make it work.<br />
* cmc: the Mac tinderboxes work really well, well maintained, great to see.<br />
* mmeeks: what does 'we' mean wrt. common effort.<br />
* Nesshof: mainly ChristianL<br />
* mmeeks: it is the Sun requirement for 2 platforms that kills lots of incoming CWS' though<br />
* Nesshof: ause maintains Sun-Win1, xp-1-3 are ex. Intel &amp; dead.<br />
* cmc: while can make Win32 builds with LCC etc. now - huge effort &amp; when Vista arrives - ~impossible.<br />
* vq: can volunteer to do CWS builds for individuals occasionally<br />
* mmeeks: best to have a repeatable, automated process: why does Sun have a totally separate, internal process so they don't share the pain / testing / benefits ?<br />
* mba: there are shared developer machines inside Sun for CWS building - but highly loaded, not using build-bot, and building with the StarOffice pieces.<br />
* Nesshof: new win32 build machine coming, perhaps can get one more from OO.o Ev. - 2 should do perhaps.<br />
* mmeeks: would be good if Sun people could use it too; to share the fun.<br />
<br />
=== Finding QA for workspaces ===<br />
<br />
* cmc: how do you find the right QA engineer for a workspace ?<br />
* mmeeks: the canonical page is: [[DomainDeveloper#QA_Engineers|DomainDeveloper]]<br />
* cmc: but surely these guys don't just want these to drop out of the blue ?<br />
* Nesshof: postpone until next time for Nils.<br />
* mmeeks: anything else ? RCS discussion ?<br />
* Nesshof: postpone RCS discussion until ready.<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63263 fpicker problems] ====<br />
* cmc: the process required a build on 2 Unix's including Solaris - the build-bot wouldn't work, gave up in disgust / deleted the CWS many months ago. It would be nice to have a policy change - if a change affects only Unix - we need only build it on one Unix platform: not Win32 too.<br />
* mba/mmeeks: rant elided.<br />
* mba: It's clear (to a developer) no Win32 code touched here at all, Unix/Gtk+ only fpicker change &lt; later mmeeks note: the multi-selection fix, also touched core code ... &gt;<br />
* cmc: not doing the work again here; simply not touching this.<br />
* mba: need to ask Nils: getting an exception from dual-platform builds for this case: seems acceptable to me.<br />
* mmeeks: interesting that the experience here turned a friendly, rational, balanced person against touching this again: consider if cmc was not paid to work with OO.o.<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=20496 calc: improved formula entry] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: as before, pushed to user-experience, has specification, no action for 6 months, type changed so doesn't show in statistics. As we discussed before having a time-out for user-experience seems to make sense. User experience very busy, lots of scattered incoming requests, need chasing sometimes.<br />
* mmeeks: we should get Lutz to the next meeting to discuss. Having said that, do you really believe that the calc team are unaware of the likelihood of getting a response from UE ?<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35578 autofilter options] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: awaiting user-experience input again - now nearly 1/2 of bugs we've seen in this state.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21923 password dialog itch] ====<br />
mba: re-assigned to 'requirements' - 'requirements' is a nonsense.<br />
cmc: requirements is a useful dumping ground for crack-smoking bugs: someone else gets to let the people down.<br />
mba: in writer, I review all of the 'requirements' bugs myself carefully. Easy to fix though - I'll re-assign to someone I know can take this, trivial patch anyway.<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35338 auto-correction fix] ====<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: 2+ years waiting for user-experience feedback. A very common problem: almost ~all users of calc (or impress) will face & fight this. Punt discussion until we have Lutz.<br />
<br />
== 2007-05-14 ==<br />
<br />
participants: Mathias Bauer, Xiuzhi Cheng, Martin Hollmichel, Pavel Janik, Caolan McNamara, Michael Meeks, Nils Fuhrmann, Volker Quetschke, <br />
<br />
<br />
=== regular review of long-term road-blocked patches ===<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 calc: persist csv import settings] ====<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: walk through of the timeline<br />
* mba: something that the IRT/IIT metrics don't catch<br />
* mba: UE team don't track issues regularly & Falko left<br />
* mmeeks: It seems some people (UE) demand their say, but then don't say anything.<br />
* mba: didn't we suggest timeouts for non-controversial changes before ? here for User Experience ?<br />
* mmeeks: yes - but discarded by QA previously, as part of stymied new inclusion work-flow.<br />
* Nesshof: did you consider mailing dev@specs to ping them ?<br />
* mmeeks: no; we don't have the issue in our ooo-builds, why burn yet more time here ?<br />
<br />
==== [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66680 gsl: image shrink - ka009] ====<br />
<br />
* mba: talked to KaiA today, for an explanation. Not a high priority for him, and a wide change, somehow always other higher priority tasks.<br />
* mmeeks: why such a huge problem for QA ? what would these guys do ?<br />
* nils: (after introduction) - depends on the change: run the test-tool over it, and poke on specifics identified by the developer. Looked at this CWS - it was resynched many times, but never marked 'Ready for QA'.<br />
* mmeeks: can we accelerate the QA process with tooling ?<br />
* mba: plenty of examples of internal Sun CWS' that until now also never made it, priorities changed etc. Surely Novell can do QA on it themselves ? (perhaps problems with multiple platforms) ?<br />
* mmeeks: we can do that, but we already ship it to our customers, we tested it ourselves etc. what more needs doing ? we filed up-stream for patch review: no response.<br />
* mba: patch review is not possible for all patches; huge backlog of them, and the burden is too high.<br />
* mmeeks: it is not a goal then to review all patches ?<br />
* mba: it's the goal but we can't guarantee an integration in a defined time frame; we also have to fight against the backlog (the issues discussed here mostly belong to it)<br />
* mmeeks: I expect (from other projects) that there is a maintainer / gate-keeper for all code, that is ultimately responsible, and cares about that code and that has the final say for inclusion; is that not the case in OO.o ?<br />
* Nesshof: not totally true - project leads should be able to find people with some interest in a piece of code to do some review. The idea is everyone can change any code, there is no dedicated ownership.<br />
* mba: lots of old code, some modules may have no assigned maintainer that knows the code as well as the original developers. Code reviews alone don't guarantee fast integration of patches. Mozilla is a project with excessive use of code reviews. It is notorious to be slow at responding to patches. Not all Open Source projects have a clear maintainership structure. OO.o can't be compared with anything else, mainly due to its history, but also because of its many millions of lines.<br />
* mmeeks: well, it's really unusual (in my experience) not to have anyone responsible for each bit of code; it needs documenting.<br />
<br />
==== to be continued ... ====<br />
<br />
* Nesshof: can continue the rest via E-mail<br />
* mmeeks: not interested directly in solving the issues, but understanding them, and learning about process problems from them.<br />
* mba: Proposal for "lessons learned from the patches": developers sending patches to UEx/QA whatever should still be considered to be responsible. Developers asked for a code review should react more reliably. If developers feel overwhelmed by a patch they should make this clear.<br />
<br />
=== coordinating the next feature releases ===<br />
<br />
Clarify what the important issues for the next releases are, who is doing what work, next major version of OpenOffice.org<br />
* Nesshof: Please update [[Features]] page with details.<br />
* Nesshof: we're looking to do a 3.0 release Q3 2008 (what would be 2.5) - what do people think ?<br />
* mmeeks: a marketing decision right ?<br />
* Nesshof: yes, we continue 6monthly releases until then.<br />
<br />
==== coordination of new features ====<br />
<br />
We just experience that two groups Novell and CH2000 are working on the same feature (text grid control)<br />
<br />
* mmeeks: This is an issue of CH2000 not doing their work in a public fashion, Novell consulted, blogged, and took this to the ODF TC.<br />
* mba: Writer developers of CH2000 mostly doing bug fixes and new feature bits in writer core and layout. We will discuss all work done together with them on the dev mailing list of the sw project.<br />
* xiuzhi: to avoid the confilt with other volunteers again,I will give a list of new features we will submit to OOo.<br />
<br />
== 2007-04-30 ==<br />
<br />
participants: cmc, mh, pjanik, vq<br />
<br />
1. IRC, Telecon, Telecon/IRC, Skype meetings?<br />
<br />
mh will provide dial in number until May 14th<br />
Idea: should we try using e.g. Skype?<br />
<br />
2. Nils, Xiuzhi and Dieter will be added to the list.<br />
<br />
3. AI: mmeeks will provide list of top 10 patches and we will try to cover first 2 - 3 in a meeting ?</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:NfUser:Nf2007-05-04T14:28:37Z<p>Nf: </p>
<hr />
<div>Full name: '''Nils Fuhrmann'''<br />
<br />
Company: [http://www.sun.com Sun Microsystems]<br />
<br />
Mail: [mailto:Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com] <br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Background:<br />
* Senior Manager at Sun Microsystems<br />
* Running the OpenOffice.org/StarOffice Operations team at Sun Microsystems<br />
including Program Management, Release Engineering, Tools, QA, Lab-IT<br />
* Started as Release Engineer in 1995<br />
* L10n co-lead at OpenOffice.org until 2004</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:NfUser:Nf2007-05-04T14:25:11Z<p>Nf: </p>
<hr />
<div>Full name: Nils Fuhrmann<br />
Company: [http://www.sun.com Sun Microsystems]<br />
Mail: mailto:Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com <br />
<br />
Background<br />
* Senior Manager at Sun Microsystems<br />
* Running the OpenOffice.org/StarOffice Operations team at Sun Microsystems<br />
including Program Management, Release Engineering, Tools, QA, Lab-IT<br />
* Started as Release Engineer in 1995<br />
* L10n co-lead at OpenOffice.org until 2004</div>Nfhttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloperDomainDeveloper2007-05-04T13:19:30Z<p>Nf: /* Developers */</p>
<hr />
<div>A mapping of names to OOo accounts.<br />
<br />
Abbrev.:<br />
<br />
* PL : Project Lead<br />
* CL : Project Co-Lead<br />
* CC : Community Council Member<br />
* ESC : Engineering Steering Committee Member <br />
* CVS : has write access to the OOo CVS repository<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
=== Developers ===<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name || CVS || @openoffice.org || [[IRC Communication]] || Notes || Affiliation<br />
|-<br />
| || || || || || <br />
|-<br />
| Volker Ahrendt|| X || va||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Kai Ahrens|| X || ka || Kai_Ahrens ||PL Graphic Applications||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Gene Anaya|| || ganaya||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Joost Andrae|| X || ja||ja||CL qa, release testing en-US builds and releasing builds||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Eric Bachard|| X || ericb||ericb2|| CL porting Mac OSX/Linux PPC port ||French OO.o project<br />
|-<br />
| Kai Backman|| || kaib ||KaiB||||<br />
|-<br />
| Sascha Ballach|| X || sab||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Jayant Balraj Madavi|| || jayant_madavi||aZEN_JM||Connectivity / Database||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Jörg Barfurth|| X || jb||JoergB||Configuration Util||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Mathias Bauer|| X || mba||||PL Writer, CL Framework, XML||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Thorsten Behrens|| X || thb||thorsten||vcl/impress/toolkit visionary||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Thomas Benisch|| X || tbe||||Scripting framework||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Stephan Bergmann|| X || sb||||CL UDK||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Andreas Bille|| X || abi||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Éric Bischoff|| X || ebischoff||ebischoff||KDE A/B driver||Bureau Cornavin<br />
|-<br />
| Nick Blievers|| X || nick||||IRIX||<br />
|-<br />
| Daniel Boelzle|| X || dbo||||UNO core/bridges/packages||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Oliver Bolte|| X || obo||||RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Rafaella Braconi|| || coni||||CL l10n, globalization program manager||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Brauer|| X || mib||||PL XML||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Oliver Braun|| X || obr||obr||System Integration/Accessibility Hacker||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Andreas Bregas|| X || ab||||StarBasic||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Jörg Brunsmann|| || jbrunsmann||||UDK||<br />
|-<br />
| Jörg Budischewski|| || jbu||PyUNO hacker||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Peter Burow|| X || pb||UI||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Aidan Butler|| || aidan||||XML filters||<br />
|-<br />
| Giuseppe Castagno || X || beppec56 || beppec56_ or beppe_c || PDF output<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:ScottCarr|Scott Carr]] || X || kcarr||kcarr||PL Documentation||Progbits<br />
|-<br />
| Colin Charles|| || drbyte||bytee||Malaysian native-lang project||bytebot.net<br />
|-<br />
| Behrend Cornelius|| X || bc||||Wizards||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Cziebalski|| || mci||||||<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:pdefilippis|Pierre de Filippis]]|| X || pdefilippis||aliscafo||Mac OSX native porting||<br />
|-<br />
| Andrew Dent|| X ||ace_dent||ace_dent||ui/custom_images||<br />
|-<br />
| Naren Devaiah|| || ||ndev||Performance||Intel Corporation<br />
|-<br />
| Nitin Dongre|| || ||nitin_BITS||||Novell, Inc.(intern)<br />
|-<br />
| Radek Doulik|| || radekdoulik||rodo_||Canvas hacker||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Carsten Driesner|| X || cd|| cd_oo ||PL Framework||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Herbert Duerr|| X || hdu||hdu_hh||GSL||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Oliver Düsterhoff|| X || od||Writer||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Bernd Eilers|| X || bei||rfc821||EIS||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| René Engelhard|| X || rene||_rene_||config_office, Debian packager||Debian<br />
|-<br />
| Hubert Figuière|| X || hub || hub || PPTX || Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Andre Fischer|| X || af||||Impress||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Uwe Fischer || || ufi || || || Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Ken Foskey|| || waratah||waratah||config_office/dmake man||slug.org.au<br />
|-<br />
| Duncan Foster|| || dfoster||||||<br />
|-<br />
| David Fraser|| || davidfraser||davidfraser||South African translations, multilingual builds||translate.org.za<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Nf|Nils Fuhrmann]]|| || nf||SunNF||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Martin Gallwey|| X || mtg||marty_||XML/Writer/packaging||<br />
|-<br />
| Pierre-Andre Galmes || || pagalmes || pagalmes || Chart2 ||StarXpert<br />
|-<br />
| Tony Galmiche|| X || tonygalmiche||||CL FR native-lang project||<br />
|-<br />
| Sunil Gandhi|| || ||tyro||||NOSIP<br />
|-<br />
| Sophie Gautier|| X || sgauti|| sophi ||PL FR native-lang project, CC ||.<br />
|-<br />
| Vladimir Glazounov|| X || vg||||RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Laurent Godard || X || laurentgodard || lgodard || CC, PL Extensions, Fr Native-lang Project || inDesko/Nuxeo <br />
|-<br />
| Jody Goldberg|| X || jodygoldberg||jody||[[Calc]] spreadsheet-ness||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Dirk Grobler|| X || dg||||Database Access||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Sg|Steffen Grund]]|| X || sg|| || NetBeans Integration ||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Bettina Haberer|| || bh||||RFEOwner||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Ingrid Halama|| X || iha||||Chart||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Chris Halls|| X || haggai||haggai||Debian packager&amp;misc. hacker||Credativ Ltd., Debian<br />
|-<br />
| Gregor Hartmann|| X || gh|| Lachs ||Testtool||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Bustamam Harun|| || bustamam||||Malaysian stuff||<br />
|-<br />
| Kevin Hendricks|| X || khendricks||||PL Lingucomponent, PowerPC||<br />
|-<br />
| Con Hennessy|| || cphennessy||cph2 or cph_||hacker &amp; former council person||OpenApp<br />
|-<br />
| Ivo Hinkelmann|| X || ihi||ivo||l10n tooling/general/RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Eric Hoch|| X || maveric||mav_eric||Mac Porting||<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Lutz_Hoeger|Lutz Hoeger]]|| X || lh ||lutzh||PL [http://ux.openoffice.org User Experience]||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Jan Holešovský|| X || kendy||kendy||KDE integration||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Martin Hollmichel|| X || mh||Ratte/Nesshof||Build Maestro, PL External, Tools, Porting, CC||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Karl Hong|| X || khong||||i18n, CJK expert||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Matthias Huetsch|| X || mhu||||Performance/strategy, PL UCB, CC, ESC||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Hönnig|| X || mi||||PL API||<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:icobgr|Hristo Hristov]] || || icobgr || icobgr || PL Bulgarian native-lang project ||<br />
|-<br />
| Sven Jacobi|| X || sj||||Escherwizard||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Jörg Jahnke|| || jj||||Internal tooling||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Christian Jansen|| || cj ||||Menu and Toolbar?||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Ocke Janssen|| X || oj||Base||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Pavel Janík|| X || pjanik||paveljanik||PL Czech native-lang project, CL l10n, CC, ESC, l10n builds||<br />
|-<br />
| Berry Jia|| X || berryjia||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Pascal Junck|| || pjunck||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:pj@openoffice.org|Peter Junge]]|| X || pj|| peter13j|| OOo community contact for my Chinese Employer, QA||[[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Christian Junker|| || Cyb||christianju||API||Trees For Life<br />
|-<br />
| Etsushi Kato || X || ekato || || Mac OS X Port || Independent <br />
|-<br />
| Hirano Kazunari|| || khirano||||Japanese||<br />
|-<br />
| Dhananjay Keskar|| X || dkeskar ||dkeskar||Performance,Buildbot,cat-herder||Intel Corporation<br />
|-<br />
| Robert Kinsella|| || rkinsella||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Volodymyr Khrystynych|| || volody||||XML Filter||<br />
|-<br />
| Matthias Klose|| || doko||doko||Ubuntu, gcc, python packager||Canonical, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Laszlo Kovacs|| || lkovacs||||Documentation||<br />
|-<br />
| Martin Kretzschmar|| X || mkretzschmar||martink||Gnome / Debian||Student<br />
|-<br />
| Will Lachance|| || wlach||wlach_||Word Perfect File Filters||Net Integration Technologies, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Thomas Lange|| X || tl||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Lars Langhans|| X || lla||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Hans-Joachim Lankenau|| X || hjs||ause||dmake makefile expert, RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Németh László|| X || nemeth||||PL lingucomponent||<br />
|-<br />
| Jakob Lechner|| X || jakob_lechner||||Writer||Fabalabs<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Leibowitz|| X || mikeleib ||mikeleib||performance||Intel Corporation<br />
|-<br />
| Wind Li|| X || windly||||Address books||<br />
|-<br />
| Ping Liao|| || pliao||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Tor Lillqvist|| X || tml||tml_||||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Joachim Lingner|| X || jl||||Java, CLI||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Christian Lippka|| X || cl || cl ||Graphic Applications||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Mindy Liu|| || mindyliu||||||<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Dl|Dieter Loeschky]]|| X || dl ||||PL: ODF Toolkit||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Philipp Lohmann|| X || pl||pl_hh||VCL/X11 (GSL) hacker||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Michel Loiseleur|| || mloiseleur|| coren`|| ||<br />
|-<br />
| Jackson Low|| X || xxjack12xx||||Porting||<br />
|-<br />
| Patrick Luby|| || pluby||||Mac||<br />
|-<br />
| Prasad Madhav || X || pmadhav || pmadhav || Buildbot || Intern@Intel <br />
|-<br />
| Babak Mahbod|| || bmahbod||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Martin Maher|| || mmaher||||Writer &amp; Filter chap||<br />
|-<br />
| Nakata Maho|| X || maho||_maho_||PL QA, PL JA, FreeBSD guy||Independent<br />
|-<br />
| John Marmion|| X || jmarmion||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Andreas Martens|| X || ama||||PL Writer||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:smsm1|Shaun McDonald]] || X || smsm1 || shaunmcdonald || Mac Port, buildbot MacPort1 || Student<br />
|-<br />
| Caolán McNamara|| X || cmc||caolan||CL Writer &amp; Filter man||RedHat, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Meeks|| X || mmeeks||michael_||ugly hack-er, ESC||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Frank Meies|| X || fme||||Writer||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Federico Mena-Quintero|| || federicomena||federico||perfectionist||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Ismael Merzaq|| X || isma87||ismael_||Mac OSX native porting||Student<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Mi|| || mmi||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Björn Milcke|| X || bm||bm_||Chart||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Petr Mladek|| || pmladek||pmladek||SUSE RPMs, ooo-build releases||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Cyrille Moureaux|| X || cyrillem||Cyrille||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Mmp|Matthias Müller-Prove]]|| X || mmp|| mprove|| CL [[User Experience]], http://ux.openoffice.org || Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Takashi Nakamoto|| || bluedwarf|| || ||<br />
|-<br />
| Niklas Nebel|| X || nn||||PL [[Calc]]||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Christoph Neumann|| X || cn||||API tests||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| NicelKM|| X || mnicel||nicel||||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Bertram Nolte|| || bnolte||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Tomas O'Connor|| || toconnor||||Scripting Framework||<br />
|-<br />
| Lars Oppermann|| X || lo||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Rodrigo Parra Novo|| X || rodarvus||rodarvus||Gnumeric/Abiword OpenDocument Format support and port to Maemo||INdT (Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia)<br />
|-<br />
| Edward Peterlin|| X || OPENSTEP||||Mac||<br />
|-<br />
| Frank Peters|| X || fpe||||Documentation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Christof Pintaske|| X || cp||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Ron Piterman|| || rpiterman||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Sebastien Plisson|| X || plipli||plipli||Developer on Aqua port||OO Aqua Port<br />
|-<br />
| Noel Power|| || npower||noelp||VBA Interop, Scripting||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Nikolai Pretzell|| X || np || ||Autodoc, code quality||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Volker Quetschke|| X || vq||vq||W32-tcsh/bash build environment and dmake Hacker, ESC||Gravity Waves<br />
|-<br />
| Tino Rachui|| X || tra||tinor||GSL/Unix Hacker||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Kr|Kay Ramme]]|| X || kr||||PL UDK||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:ErAck|Eike Rathke]]|| X || er||erAck||CL [[Calc]], engine; CL i18n; stricken with number formatter||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Rauch|| X || mrauch||||NetBSD||<br />
|-<br />
| Jens-Heiner Rechtien|| X || hr||blauwal||RE; OOo SCM (CVS, CWS tooling); Porting; Compilers||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Daniel Rentz|| X || dr|| drr ||[[Calc]] Excel filter, UI||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Florian Reuter|| X || flr||||Writer filters||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Georg Richter|| X || grichter||georg||Base, native MySQL driver||MySQL AB<br />
|-<br />
| G. Roderick Singleton|| || grsingleton||grsingleton||Documentation||pathtech.org<br />
|-<br />
| Hennes Rohling|| X || hro||||GSL &amp; Util||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Bibek Sahu|| || Bibek||bibek||Impress pieces||Trees For Life<br />
|-<br />
| Andreas Schlüns|| X || as||||Framework||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Ingo Schmidt|| X || is||||(Native) Installation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Jsc|J&uuml;rgen Schmidt]]|| X || jsc||jsc||PL API, CL Extensions, UNO, SDK||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Stephan Schäfer|| X || ssa||ssa||VCL||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Frank Schönheit|| X || fs||FrankS||Database Access, Forms||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Julian Seward || || sewardj || || valgrind ||<br />
|-<br />
| Darragh Sherwin|| || dsherwin||darragh||E-Legislation / E-GovSystems||Propylon<br />
|-<br />
| Raul Siddhartha|| || rsiddhartha||raul||GTK File Selector||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Sarah Smith|| || ssmith||||||<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:mox|Mox Soini]] || X || mox || Moxed || Mac Porting || <br />
|-<br />
| Rajesh Sola|| || rajeshsola||sola||misc.||NOSIP<br />
|-<br />
| Kai Sommerfeld|| X || kso||||manager &amp; hacker||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Oliver Specht|| X || os||||PL UI||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Jörg Spindler|| || jspindler||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Fridrich Štrba|| X || fridrich_strba||Fridrich||Word Perfect Hacker||<br />
|-<br />
| Ulf Stroehler|| || us||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Muthu Subramanian|| || muthusuba||muthusuba||misc.||<br />
|-<br />
| Louis Suárez-Potts|| || louis||louis||Community Manager||Collab.net<br />
|-<br />
| Claus Sørensen|| || cs||c26n,cHBs,chbs||Danish Localization and Project Management Tool(oopm)||ProFOSS<br />
|-<br />
| Stefan Taxhet|| X || st||stx12||CC, interpersonal problem fixer||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Armin Theissen|| || armin||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Caio Tiago Oliveira|| X || asrail||asrail||CL QA, release testing pt-BR builds||Independent<br />
|-<br />
| Jan Tietjens|| || tietjens||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Rüdiger Timm|| X || rt|| rtimm ||RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Malte Timmermann|| X || mt||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Gerhard Tonn|| || tonn||||s390||<br />
|-<br />
| Willem van Dorp|| || willem.vandorp||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Tom Verbeek|| X || tv||||Wizards, Art team||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Sander Vesik|| || svesik||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Daniel Vogelheim|| X || dvo||||XML||<br />
|-<br />
| Mikhail Voitenko|| X || mav||Framework||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Robert Vojta|| X || rvojta||rvojta||VBA Interop||<br />
|-<br />
| Dirk Völzke|| X || dv||||Installation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Sparcmoz|Jim Watson]]|| X || sparcmoz|| sparcmoz||GNU Linux sparc porter||clug.org.au<br />
|-<br />
| Armin Weiss|| X || aw||||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Gerd Weiss|| X || gm||||RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Dan Williams|| X || fa||dcbw||Mac et. al. hacker||RedHat, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Stephan Wunderlich|| X || sw||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Kohei Yoshida|| X || kohei||kohei_||[[Calc]] hacker, Calc optimization solver developer||Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| George Zahopoulos|| X || georgez||||||<br />
|-<br />
| Kurt Zenker|| X || kz||smoketester||RE||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Claudio F Filho|| || filhocf||filhocf||Brazilian portuguese Localization||BrOffice.org<br />
|-<br />
| Xiaoyang Yu|| || || ||Disk block reordering||Intel Corporation <br />
|- <br />
| Antonio Xu|| X || antoxu || antoxu || Async dialogs, PRC improvements || Intel Corporation<br />
|-<br />
| Rail Aliev || X || rail || rail || Ru and Tr NL Co-lead || Infra-Resource <br />
|-<br />
| Jeremy Zheng|| X || zhiming || Jeremy || Async dialogs, PRC improvements || Intel Corporation<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Schmidtm|Matthias Schmidt]] || || schmidtm || schmidtm || Mac OSX Aqua Port || Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Yuri Dario || || ydario || Paperino || OS/2 Port || Serenity Systems intl<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Weiz | Wei Zhao]] || || weiz || || Chinese Localization || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Liu Tao || || liutao || || PyUNO, Async dialogs|| [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| JiangChuang || || jiangc || || || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Lv Xugang || || lvxg || || || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Chen Jinhong || || chainchen || || || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Li Yuan || || liyuan || || PyUNO, Async dialogs || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Yan Wu || || wuy || || || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Shizhoubo || || shizhoubo || || || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Fong Lin || X || pflin || Fong || CJK Enhancement/ Filter || Novell, Inc.<br />
|-<br />
| Sheng zhao|| X || jacky23 || || || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Liang Weike|| || liangweike || liangweike || Framework || [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Zhang Xiaofei || || zhangxiaofei || zhangxiaofei || Framework ||[[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|-<br />
| Fang Yaqiong|| || fangyq || fangyq|| Graphics|| [[Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.|Beijing Redflag CH2000]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== QA Engineers ===<br />
<br />
{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse;"<br />
|-<br />
! Name ||CVS||@openoffice.org || [[IRC Communication]] || Interested modules || Notes || Affiliation<br />
|-<br />
| Stefan Baltzer||||sba||||writer||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Thorsten Bosbach||X||tbo||||framework, qa/qatesttool||QA Framework / Automation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Oliver Craemer||X||oc||||[[Calc]]||QA Calc / Automation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Helge Delfs||X||hde||||writer, qa/qatesttool||QA Writer / Automation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Fredrik Haegg||X||fha||||draw, impress, qa/qatesttool||QA Graphics / Automation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Hasan Ilter||||hi||||writer, printing, pdf export||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Michael Rüß||||mru||||writer, word im/export||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Éric Savary||||es||||writer, accessibility||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:jsi|Joerg Sievers]]||X||jsi||jogi||qa/qatesttool, [[Calc]]||Automation / QA Calc||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Joerg Skottke||X||jsk||skotti||framework, qa/qatesttool||QA Framework / Automation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Marc Neumann||X||msc||||database, qa/qatesttool||QA Base / Automation||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Chris Lukasiak||||clu||||database||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Frank Stecher||||fst||||[[Calc]]||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Jack Warchold|||| jw||||writer, import/export filters||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Uwe Luebbers||||ul||||framework||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Thorsten Martens||||tm||||framework||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Olaf Felka|||| of||||framework, installation||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Thomas Klarhoefer||||kla||||chart||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Wolfram Garten|||| wg||||draw, impress||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| Christian Guenther||||cgu||||draw, impress||||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Thorsten_Ziehm|Thorsten Ziehm]]||||| thorstenziehm||||||QA lead||Sun Microsystems<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
We are tracking pending JCAs in the document [[Pending JCAs]].<br />
<br />
== Related Pages ==<br />
* [[Commit Rights]]<br />
* [[Contributing Patches]]<br />
* [[User Experience Community]]<br />
* A map of OOo developers around the world is available at http://www.frappr.com/ooodev, please add yourself to the map if you're involved in OOo development. It's just fun to see who's where :-)<br />
<br />
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<div>Contact<br />
<br />
* Mail: mailto:Nils.Fuhrmann@sun.com <br />
<br />
Background<br />
<br />
* Full name is Nils Fuhrmann<br />
* Located in Hamburg<br />
* Senior Manager at Sun Microsystems<br />
* Running the OpenOffice.org/StarOffice Operations teams at Sun Microsystems<br />
including Program Management, Release Engineering, Tools, QA, Lab-IT<br />
* Started as Release Engineer in 1995<br />
* L10n co-lead at OpenOffice.org until 2004</div>Nf