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User Experience/DocumentCheck

2011-04-27T20:57:03Z

ChristophNoack: Added unused pages styles to be checked /* Proposed Items to be Checked */

{{User_Experience}} {{Documentation/Note | This page is intended to outline a new idea. Please '''rate''' it or add your own '''thoughts''' in [[#Rating_and_Comments|rating and comments]].}}

== Idea Summary ==

The idea is about a "Document Check" functionality which checks the document for typical issues with regard to security, compatibility, content, understandability, graphical design and accessibility. The document check result provides central information on issues which have been found, where they have been found and - if possible - proposals to correct the issues. Usually, the functionality may be called manually by the user, but it may be also executed automatically. 

== Rationale ==

Today's documents are created for various purposes and published in different channels. Even with the numerous functions available in OpenOffice.org or being available in extensions, it still requires some experience to make sure that each document can be shared without problems. The following - rather simple - workflow shows the steps required to create or to edit any kind of document. Here, we want to focus on the step "''Check''". 

[[Image:UX Idea DocumentCheck SimpleWorkflow.png|center]]In this step, prior the document is shared (e.g. printed, uploaded, converted to PDF), experienced users check the document for various issues. For example, a user may search for missing references indicated by the field text "''Error: Reference source not found''", look up non-embedded graphic files in the menu "''Edit - Links...''", and check whether there are hidden comments with "View - Comments". In any case, these steps require both experience and effort to look up the different places. What seems missing is a central place to check the documents for common issues prior the document is shared.

Goal: The user is able to simply check the document for common issues. Most of these issues can be resolved with the help of functionality available in OpenOffice.org.

Please note: 

*The Document Check will never be perfect, but it should avoid the most common problems for people sharing documents. That both applies to beginners (who don't have the experience yet) and experienced users (who require a more efficient approach). 
*Please note that many of the issues described below may be solved in advance with an adequate interaction design and some training. But even then, some issues may remain and both individual and business users may benefit from the Document Check
*In professional [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_publishing DTP] software some of the proposed functionality is called "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-flight_%28printing%29 pre-flight]" to ensure high quality output. 

== Use Cases ==

=== Use Case 1: Sending Document via Mail ===

Sara creates a small presentation document because of the birth of her first child. She wants to say thank you to all the congratulators - and so she adds some pictures and a short video file recorded with her cell phone. Before sending the document via mail, she is asked to execute the Document Check which summarizes some of potential issues. She is told that some of the pictures are only linked and not embedded, so the receiver might not be able to see the graphics. A simple click on the proposed solution automatically embeds all the linked images. Finally, the Document Check also tells her, that the video file format is proprietary - this might cause problems for others, too. 

=== Use Case 2: Keep Corporate Identity ===

John works in a large company which really cares about the visual style of internal and external documents. Thus, the company provides in-depth information how templates, colors and fonts have to be used to ensure high quality corporate identity. But, John finds it difficult to keep all the information in mind, when working on documents. Especially, since his technical documentation or specification documents are based on various sources and content types. Thus, after finishing each document, he executes the Document Check which informs him about potential Corporate Identity issues and also provides some hints to resolve these issues. Usually, everything is just fine. 

=== Use Case 3: Printing the Bachelor Thesis ===

Michael invested a lot of work to write his bachelor thesis in biology - it is nearly finished. For the final review, he wants to give it to some friends. Since the file is rather large, he decides to share the file via an USB memory. Although he used the computer for years, mostly for surfing or mailing, he isn't sure if that will really work. The Document Check tells him that the document might look different, since he used a font which might not be available on other computers. Additionally, he notices that some graphics he used will only look good on computer screens, but may be blurry when printed out. He corrects these issues and copies the file.

=== Use Case 4: Documents for Everyone ===

Jane is a very active member in a non-profit organization. Recently, she agreed to take over the work on the internal magazin for the members and other interested people. After finishing the draft, she executes the Document Check which provides useful information on the style of the document. She is told that the document might look better when using less different font types and sizes. Additionally, the readability analysis proposes to use less complex sentence structures. Finally, the Document Check informs her about some color combinations which might make reading very difficult for people with limited eyesight (color blindness) - approx. 7% of men are affected. She didn't know about that, so she jumps to the page with a click and changes the document accordingly. 

== Detailed Description ==

=== Draft Mockups (Only to Communicate the Idea) ===

The following mockups are only meant to communicate the basic idea. It is '''not''' intended to show the final functionality. However, if you have any problems how to improve the interaction design, then please add [[#Comments|comments]] or add own mockups. Thanks! 

{| width="100%" border="0"
|-
| width="380" | [[Image:UX Idea DocumentCheck Example1.png]] 
|
Mockup showing a document without any problems identified.

|-
| [[Image:UX Idea DocumentCheck Example2.png]]
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Mockup showing critical issues. At least from the company's point-of-view...

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| [[Image:UX Idea DocumentCheck Example3.png]]
| Mockup showing one severe issue and other proposals to improve the document.
|}

=== Proposed Items to be Checked ===

The following lists contains idea what items to be checked. The list may be incomplete and does not provide any prioritization or feasibility.

{| border="1" class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Check 
! scope="col" | Rationale and Description 
! scope="col" | Example 
|-
| Accessibility 
| Color selection 
|
If people with full eyesight create documents, they might be unaware of the problems of people with limited eyesight. Thus, the document might be checked for such problems in advance. There might even be some information how many people might be affected by that problem. 

More information at: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness Color Blindness (Wikipedia)]

| Red text on green background 
|-
| Accessibility 
| DAISY compatibility 
| DAISY is a Digital Accessible Information System. Existing documents can be converted to the DAISY format by the odf2daisy extension. But, odf2daisy relies on the given document structure which might be sub-optimal. So, an accessibility checker might help to improve the structure of the documents and finally the output for DAISY.
More information on DAISY at: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAISY_Digital_Talking_Book DAISY Digital Talking Book (Wikipedia)] Idea presented on: [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=4462 Email on ux-discuss, Malte Timmerman] odf2daisy: [http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net odf2daisy website]

|
|-
| Accessibility 
| Font selection 
| People who do rarely create presentations might be unaware of the fact that font size is an important factor when havin a large audience. Usually people do know about that after the presentation :-) 
| Impress: Very small text in the main area of slides 
|-
| Compatibility
| Document file format
|
OpenOffice.org is highly compatible to different office applications (document file formats). Nevertheless, there might be functionality which is not supported when using non-OpenOffice.org file formats. The user should be aware about that, and he should exactly know what might cause problems. 

| Existing warning prior saving to foreign document types 
|-
| Compatibility 
| Fonts 
| The user might make use of fonts which are not available on other computer systems. Especially since OpenOffice.org is available on different platforms, it would be safe to rely on the supplied fonts. 
| 
|-
| Compatibility 
| Media file linking 
|
Currently, there is no way to automatically decide whether a media file has to be linked or embedded in the document. The former may lead to information loss when the document is digitally shared, the latter one may slow down basic document operations (editing, saving, opening). That results in offering both options to the user, who may not know about the problems. Thus, the Document Check may provide information about "linked only" files and may propose to resolve the links automatically. 

| 
|-
| Compatibility 
| Media file types 
| The user might embed video files with CODECs which are not generally available, e.g. propriatery CODECs on certain computer platforms. He might want to know that prior sharing the documents. 
| 
|-
| Content 
| Duplicates 
| In the graphic applications objects are sometimes copied and are not moved. This increases the file size and may make further editing a bit difficult. The objects may be detected and removed. 
| Draw: Two absolutely identical objects are stacked
|-
| Content 
| File size 
|
Sometimes people add media files which are quite huge and - although there are ongoing performance improvements in OpenOffice.org - it makes working with OpenOffice.org quite slow. People might want to know how to reduce the file size without affecting the quality of the document. 

|
*Impress: Call presentation minimizer
*Automatically re-link embedded media files

|-
| Content 
| Media file quality 
| People sometimes add media files which aren't sufficient for the intended output of the document. This may cause very low quality when sharing or printing of the document. 
| Very low dpi in scaled background image 
|-
| Content 
| Missing document information 
| Companies may require document information when documents are stored in CMS (content management systems). The user may be informed that some information required by the company is still missing. 
| Missing author and keywords in document to be saved 
|-
| Content 
| Missing References 
|
If existing documents containing references are edited, some of the references might get lost. Unfortunately, the current approach is to just state that within the text. In a large document this might become a real problem if the user doesn't check it thoroughly. More information in the current specification: [http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/numbering/Direct_Cross_References_to_Headings_and_Numberings.odt Direct cross references for headings and numbered paragraphs]

| A document gets modified and printed by another author 
|-
| Content 
| Readability 
| The competition provides features like readability analysis, which might be added in the future. More information at: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readability Readability (Wikipedia)] 
| 
|-
| Content
| Spellchecking
| Although spellchecking is used during document editing people might deactivate it during editing. It might be helpful if there is a fast check how many words are unknown in the document. A manual spellchecking might be proposed.
| 
|-
| Content 
| Wording 
| Similar to visual design, companies really care about wording of documents. Although wording may be checked with the spell checker, there might be use cases where some wording mustn't be used. 
| A recently edited document still contains the deprecated company name 
|-
| Security 
| Digital signatures 
|
People may be informed about invalid signatures in the document, or changes to a document which has originally been signed. 

| 
|-
| Security 
| External programs 
| Some users embed links to external programs which call applications or play special media files. When sharing, this might become a problem for others. 
| Impress: Calling an external video player 
|-
| Security 
| Hidden content 
|
Some documents which are shared still contain information which is hidden. Very often, users don't notice that and share the critical or very personal content. This applies to : (personal) information, change tracking, in-file version control, comments, hidden text, unused master slides, hidden parts of cropped images, ... 

|
*Writer: HIdden text, comments, unused page styles
*Calc: Hidden tables 
*Draw: Cropped images, objects besides the drawing area 

|-
| Security 
| Macros 
|
Sometimes people embed macros to documents which will later be shared. It would be helpful to sign the macros or to tell them, that some companies enforce to ignore macros which will lead to reduced functionality for the receiver of the document.

| 
|-
| Other 
| Print Grayscale 
| In many companies, color is used in documents although the printout is done on (cheaper) grayscale printers. The functionality checks whether the brightness contrast is suitable for the printout on those printers.
| 
|-
| Other 
| Printable area 
| Due to the technical design, some printers do have restrictions concerning the printable range. Some of the objects in the document may be simply cut off. 
|
*Writer: Logo in the header 
*Draw: Large graphics 

|-
| Other 
| Printing costs 
| If large areas have to be printed, this may cause very high printing costs - some companies might want to inform the users about that. 
| 
|-
| Visual design
| Font selection 
| Beginners tend to use many different fonts (font family, font size, font emphasis) in their documents. Many users judge these documents to look unprofessional, so the user might be interested to be informed about that.
Even experienced users may accidentally select a font which looks similar, but is different. He might want to be informed about that to keep a consistent visual design.

| Writer: A different font has been used in only one text frame 
|-
| Visual design
| Color selection
|
Beginners tend to use many different colors in a document. This might look unprofessional, so the user might be interested to be informed about that.

People in companies might use colors which are unacceptable with regard to the corporate identity styleguide.

| 
|-
| add yours
| add yours
| add yours
| add yours
|}

=== Functionality ===

The Document Check functionality ... 

*... should either be called manually or prior to other functionality (e.g. sending document via email) 
*... should, if possible, help to resolve the issues automatically 
*... should be able to directly refer to the problematic areas in the document 
*... should provide information which is easy to understand for the desired target group (e.g. explaining relationships in the most appropriate way, e.g. when explaining color blindness) 
*... should contain pre-defined sets for certain output media (e.g. checking before document gets printed) 
*... should provide the ability to define user-defined sets of what to be checked 
*... should be able to access external data sources that provide information on what to be checked (e.g. a corporate compliance server contains most current information) 
*... ''add your idea'' 

=== Further Thoughts ===

*The functionality is somehow related to the already available AutoCorrect 
*The current naming "Document Check" is preliminary and may change

== Examples in Other Software ==

Following are some programs with similar functionality. Although not directly identical, these should give some ideas of how this (or at least portions of the above) could be implemented. Please add any more if you have knowledge of them.

*'''AutoCAD Standards Checker''' - [http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=13779270&siteID=123112 AutoCAD] is a CADD/CAM product mainly used for vector based precision drafting in 2D/3D. [http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/AutoCAD/tutorials/select/parsai_cad_standards.htm This tutorial] shows the Standards Checker function available in AutoCAD.

== Rating and Comments ==

=== Rating ===

Please '''rate the idea''' itself and '''not the mockup''' visualization. {{#jskitrating:title=UX Idea: Document Check|notop|path=/UX_Idea/DocumentCheck|view=combo|noscript=false|starColor=blue}}

=== Comments ===

Please add your comments below or on the [[Talk:User Experience/DocumentCheck|talk page]].

[[Category:User_Experience]] [[Category:UX_Idea]]

User:ChristophNoack/Drafts/WelcomeCenter 2010

2010-12-31T14:37:47Z

ChristophNoack: Added proposal by Johannes B. /* Discussion */

{{User_Experience}} {{Documentation/Note | This page is intended to outline a personal idea. Please '''rate''' it or add your own '''thoughts''' in the [[#Rating_and_Comments|rating and comments]] section.}}

== Summary ==

This page "WelcomeCenter 2010" describes an idea how to transform the currently independent items like StartCenter / About Box / ... into a consistent, pleasing and connected solution. The basic idea is to have a well defined and consistent layout for many - or maybe all - of the non-document editing related items that will finally be driven by an renewed branding and visual design. Thus, it is possible to add Start Up Wizard, OpenOffice.org Improvement Program, ... 

This idea is related to the current [[Application Rebranding - Project Home Page|Application Rebranding]] activities and the current [[User Experience/startcenter|StartCenter]].

== Rationale ==

*Improve the workflows and therefore the whole experience for the post-installation and regular startup of the application. You can find more information on the workflows on the page [[User Experience/Projects/Start-up process|Start-up_process]] (Thanks to Frank!). Please notice that this proposal has been worked out prior to the documentation of the start-up process ... so things might be different or not yet perfect ;-) 
*The [http://www.patentpending.co.nz/soapbox/index.php/openoffice-org-3-2-1-branding-overview/ renewed items like StartCenter, About Box or Splash Screen] look and behave different. So the current goal is to let them behave look similar and behave consistent.

== Assumptions ==

*Visual design / branding is likely to change: The current proposal doesn't focus on visual design or branding. Although it shows some ideas, the workflow and the suitability for the task is considered more important at the moment.
*Functionality is equal: It is assumed that the functionality won't change. Of course, it is possible to integrate new functionality, but the proposed design solution mainly addresses to improve what is currently available (only one exception).
*Limited implementation effort: Similar to the "functionality is kept" approach, the implementation effort is considered. Some of the proposed elements could be integrated step by step (e.g. Template Support). Moreover, in the long run, it would be possible to save effort for the visual design, since the main window layout is kept consistent. 
*Application icon / document icon design still requires some work: There are [http://www.patentpending.co.nz/soapbox/index.php/openoffice-org-new-setup-file-and-application-icons/ new application icons and document icons]. These elements look different in their visual style and lack usability, therefore these elements haven't been used in the proposal. Most of the icons are replaced by symbols of the great [http://tango.freedesktop.org/ Tango Icons] set. Thank you guys!
*Naming: The naming "StartCenter" has been changed to "Welcome Center", since this naming seems to be more appropriate. Addionally, people usually mess up the "StartCenter" with the "[http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/start_module/StartModule.sxw Start Module]".

== Proposed Designs ==

=== Initial Proposal ===

[[Image:2010-05-19 WelcomeCenter Ideas.png|thumb|center|600px]]

Some notes on the proposed design solution:

*Extract of workflows: The different colored items represent workflow steps (windows), e.g. the blue colored "Splash" is the Splash Screen shown during the start of the application if it isn't pre-loaded into the computer's memory.
**The numbered red lines show one very common workflow as an example: The user starts OpenOffice.org in e.g. the Start Menu (Microsoft Windows), then the Splash Screen is shown, then the Welcome Center. He decides to create a new document, thus the application finally shows the usual Document Editing window. Since it isn't affected by the proposals presented here, it is colored gray. 
**Imagine another example: The user currently edits the document and wants to have a look at the version number of OpenOffice.org. He opens "Help - About..." and the About window is shown. This About window is nearly the same like the one linked from the Welcome Center. Since it hasn't been called from the "Welcome" window, it shows a "Close" button instead of the "< Back" visible in the mockup. 
*Overview of "Welcome Center" and "About: The rather realistically presented overview images should give an impression how the real elements could look like - including the text etc. Although the visual design isn't the main concern here (at the moment), the pictures shall also show how the darker regions at the top and bottom can structure the windows. This addresses the issues in the layout that are currently caused by the recent "white only" design. 
*General Structure: This simple sketch shows how all of the windows could be organized to create a harmonic and consistent experience. 
*Structure of "Welcome Center" and "About": These wireframe graphics shall show you the basic structure and behavior of the windows - without any visual design in mind. So if you would like to discuss the proposed idea, then please refer to these structures instead of the visual design (only).
*Detail Ideas: A (very) small collection of design ideas. There are some more ideas I have in mind, but I currently lack the skills to present them sufficiently. 

Concerning how to rate the ideas behind the proposed design, please have a look at the fidelity matrix in the lower right of the picture. The fidelity matrix is covered in [http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2010/05/picture-is-worth-thousand-words.html this blog post]. 

== Discussion ==

There are still many things to describe, consider, refine, ... :-) For example:

*I mixed up the terminology a bit ... basically this proposal is about a common and uniform solution without a real name. The central item is the "Welcome" window which led to the name "Welcome Center". Sorry for providing that much confusion potential!
*The WelcomeCenter still looks a bit crowded and uniform. The items should be better balanced, but maybe this is already solved with improved icons / previews.
*We may think of a standalone WelcomeCenter which doesn't require the surrounding OpenOffice.org window.
*The detail idea "mouseover" is still a very rough idea ... but it seems required to get the point.
*If the WelcomeCenter/StartCenter is perceived to be useful, it might be executed explicitly by the user (Proposal by Johannes).

== Rating and Comments ==

=== Rating ===

Please '''rate the idea''' itself and '''not the visual design'''. {{#jskitrating:title=UX Idea: Document Check|notop|path=/UX_Idea/WelcomeCenter2010|view=combo|noscript=false|starColor=blue}}

=== Comments ===

Please add your comments below or on the talk page.

OpenOffice.org Idea Handling

2010-11-05T21:44:23Z

ChristophNoack: Added KDE brainstorm

{{User Experience}}

== Summary ==

This wiki page describes an effort to handle and present ideas generated by the OpenOffice.org community. The whole community will be able to post, judge and discuss ideas related to both the OpenOffice.org office suite and the community infrastructure. The most important findings could be used as input for further development.

The main goals for this "idea handling" effort is to provide an information source for OpenOffice.org development, ease the participation of individuals, improve the transparency of decision making inside the project, and improve the visibility of the whole OpenOffice.org project.

Most presumably, the proceeding will be similar to other open source software projects which have similar requirements and established processes. It is planned that the "idea handling" effort will be subsidiary to currently used methods (e.g. user surveys, usability tests) and tools (e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/query.cgi Issue Tracker], [[User_Experience/OpenOffice.org_User_Feedback_Extension | User Feedback Extension]]). This means that selected ideas will be used in further development steps like developing specifications or further activities like [[Renaissance|Project Renaissance]].

== Requirements ==

Please note that in ''this'' case there will be no detailed requirements process. Most of the requirements are very similar to the ones in other open source projects like Ubuntu Linux. Consequently, the next sub-sections try to provide basic information why good "idea handling" is important.

=== Rationale ===

At the moment, feature enhancements and improvements to OpenOffice.org are based on the following sources:
* ideas by the OpenOffice.org community
* feedback by the customers of companies which participate in the OpenOffice.org development
* competitive analysis of other software applications

The first source, the OpenOffice.org community, may use different tools. In mailing lists, the ideas are hard to describe and lack visibility concerning the people who are able to implement such ideas. In the Issue Tracker, the ideas may be published as enhancement requests, but the handling of the tool is very complex and consequently only few users participate. In both cases it is hard to judge how important the idea is in ''reality''. This importance is required to trade benefit vs. effort for the development teams.

Example of Use Cases:
* A "simple" user has an idea how to improve OpenOffice.org but both lacks the skills for working with the Issue Tracker and develop the feature for himself. So he promotes his idea on the easy to use "idea handling" platform.
* An extension developer wants to improve OpenOffice.org and picks one of the most requested features, implements it and provides it to the community at the OpenOffice.org Extension Website.
* The User Experience team wants to know what the most requested features are - from the user's perspective. The analysis of the idea voting is input for the requirements process which identifies the shortcomings of OpenOffice.org. Based on that information, an own solution is developed to serve the user's needs.

=== Assumptions and Constrains ===

* There will be only minor changes for the IT infrastructure of the OpenOffice.org project. It is not likely that e.g. the CollabNet portal will provide idea handling functionality in the near future.
* There will be sufficient support by the OpenOffice.org community to establish the idea handling (e.g. creating a theme, handling the administration of the web site and moderating the ideas).
* For the first phase, it will be assumed that it is sufficient to publish ideas in English only. Support for other languages may be added later.

=== Definition of Terms ===

{| class="prettytable" border="1"
! Term
! Description

|-
| Idea
| The idea describes the innovation or novelty by using text and/or other media (e.g. graphics, animations).
|}

== Branding ==

The goal of the "idea handling" effort is to provide a highly visible web presence, so branding is an important factor to gain acceptance and visual identity with the rest of the OpenOffice.org project.

=== Name and Logo ===

The following lists contains proposals how to name the "idea handling" tool. This may have impact on the URL of the web presence, e.g. being available at xxx.services.openoffice.org, where 'xxx' represents the name.

{| class="prettytable" border="1"
! Name
! Logo
! Description
! Comments

|-
| OpenOffice.org Brainstorm
| [[image:IdeaHandling_LogoProposal_Brainstorm1.png]]
Note: The logo is not final and only represent the structure.
| The meaning of the term "brainstorm" differs according to the [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brainstorm Wiktionary Brainstorm]. As a noun, it describes "a sudden thought, particularly one that solves a long-standing problem" (US), but also "an unexpected mental error" (UK). As a verb, it means "to investigate something, or solve a problem using brainstorming", or "to participate in a brainstorming session". The group creativity technique brainstorming is described in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming Wikipedia Brainstorming] entry.

The term is used in other open source software projects (e.g. Ubuntu) and may be known by the public.

| (No comments yet)

|-
| OpenOffice.org Brainwaves
| http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9MZR46ZEuS8/SLrrIqXC8WI/AAAAAAAAAHg/koomTGwBs4U/s144/2008-08-31v3_UX-BrainWaves.png

Note: The logo was initially created for the UX project, so this is only an example and will be updated soon (hopefully).
| The [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brainwave Wiktionary Brainwave] entry describes brainwaves to be e.g. a "sudden idea, understanding, or inspiration".

The logo comprises the physiologic point of view, "brainwaves" are somehow continuous (like a idea flow) and vary in intensity (similar to rating and comprehensiveness of the ideas).

| (No comments yet)

|-
| OpenOffice.org Idea Pool

| (no logo yet)

| (no description yet)

| (no comments yet)

|-
| OpenOffice.org Idea Tracker
| (no logo yet)
| The terms "idea tracker" may provide consistency with the OpenOffice.org issue tracker. On the one hand, this proposal may provide high consistency across the OpenOffice.org tools, on the other hand it may also lead to confusion.

| (no comments yet)

|-
| OpenOffice.org Suggestion Box
| (no logo yet)
| The terms “suggestion box” provides a metaphor consistent with the “Office” one (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestion_box Wikipedia's page about suggestion boxes].)

Moreover, the term “suggestion” is more precise than “idea,” and it should give the users a good understanding of what the service is for, and how to use it.

On the other hand, a “box” is generally something closed and we don't expect its content to be easily accessible, so maybe “suggestion wall” (or any term suggesting a full access to suggestions) could be better.

| (no comments yet)

|}

== Proposed Solutions ==

==== Proposal: Website based on IdeaTorrent ====

A popular way to publish and rate ideas is the use of the IdeaTorrent platform which is used by e.g. [http://www.ubuntulinux.org Ubuntu Linux] at [http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com]. IdeaTorrent is a module for Drupal (currently available for version 5 only), which requires PHP and PostgreSQL. With a .services.openoffice.org domain, this option is available to us (please see [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2645 email by Drew Jensen])

The author of IdeaTorrent responded very positively to our request at [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2709 email by Nicolas Deschildre: "Presenting and Rating Ideas", 2009-01-02 (Start of Thread)].

One (among other) advantages is that the stability and scalability of the system has been proven (about 50000 user/day according to [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2720 eMail by Nicolas Deschildre: "Presenting and Rating Ideas, 2009-01-06]). There you will also the corresponding technical requirements.

More information about how Ubuntu incorporated IdeaTorrent in its processes can be found at the end of the page.

'''Demonstration'''

A live demonstration of the system can be found at [http://demo.ideatorrent.org/ IdeaTorrent Demonstration]. There, you will have insight in the processes and roles (e.g. moderator, admin).

'''Visual Design'''

Ivan provided a first mockup how the page could look like: [[Image:IdeaHandling Proposal IdeaTorrent1.png|330px|thumb|center|This (basic) design tries to maintain consistency between other services.openoffice.org domains that run on Drupal (e.g., Templates, Extensions)]]

'''Usability'''

The demonstration shows that there might be potential usability issues which should be identified, e.g.:
''In step 2 of the submission process, there is a fixed size table of possible duplicates. After the system finished checking, the table shows "None found" in the middle (several cm space to the table heading and the bottom, table background very light and maybe not visible on certain LCDs). This message may be "hidden" for certain window sizes, or maybe the user may overlook the "Submit" button at the bottom - due to the free space, the information flow is somewhat disrupted.''

As a result, an expert evaluation concerning usability issues is recommended and could by done by the User Experience team. This would also provide benefit to all the other project which use IdeaTorrent (i.e., we could contribute back to the IdeaTorrent project).

The usability evaluation will be published at: [[OpenOffice.org_Idea_Handling/IdeaTorrent]]

==== Proposal: Blog ====

Initially it was planned to provide a tool to collect ideas specially for the UX project, e.g. ideas to improve the user interaction. Therefore this proposal is kept for historical reasons, because it would not fit the needs for the whole OpenOffice.org project.

An example how a blog can be used is available at [http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ Gimp UI Brainstorm] of [http://www.gimp.org The Gimp] project. There, you will find a detailed explanation of how ideas are moderated and posted. In general, the processes seem to be well thought out and do cause only little overhead - suitable for small software (sub-)projects.

==== Proposal: Wiki extended by Rating Extension ====

Ivan proposed the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating JSKit Rating Extension for Mediawiki] which allows ratings to be enabled on a page-by-page basis with some wiki code.

Example: {{#jskitrating:notop:view=combo}}

A detailed description can be found in [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2625 email by Ivan M: "Presenting and rating ideas, 2008-12-17].

As a test of a wiki-based Idea Handling, see the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:UX_Idea UX Idea category].

== Open Questions and Outstanding Issues ==

{| class="prettytable" border="1"
! Question
! Comments

|-
| Backup
| How to realize a backup of the data? The information (ideas and mockups) given by our users is extremely valuable, so there is a need to preserve the data even when failures occur.

'''Ivanm:''' The database could be backed up regularly by the admins (maybe even automatically with Drupal's cron jobs?). Possibilities include a basic PHP script, or [http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/ phpPgAdmin (GUI frontend for PostgreSQL)].
|-
| Interaction with Other Systems
| Some processes/capabilities do overlap between the current Issue Tracker and the "idea handling", so the question is how the technical systems might interact with each other. This question is still open.

The author of IdeaTorrent explained that there is no direct interaction between the IdeaTorrent module and Ubuntu's Launchpad, see [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2720 email by Nicolas Deschildre: "Presenting and Rating Ideas", 2009-01-06].

|-
| User Accounts (Login)
| In order to participate (be it submitting ideas or just voting), an account will be required to reduce abuse/spam. This would add to a growing number of logins that one can have within the OpenOffice.org domain. The possibility of integrating login with other OOo services should be investigated.

|-
| English language
| Currently, the official language for the communication inside the OpenOffice.org project is English. If this decision is kept for the "idea handling", then only people from certain regions and education may be able to participate.

From the technical point of view, there is the difference between the language of the tool and the languages of the content (ideas) being available. The tool IdeaTorrent will provide different languages for the user interface, but does neither enforce the use of a certain language nor provides the possibility to provide different translations of one idea.

Question: Does the use of English (only) suit our needs?

|-
| Use of Different Media
| How can the integration of different media be eased? The user should be able to e.g. directly upload and use own graphics.
'''Ivanm:''' Using an upload module, we may have image upload (directly to the server). However, it will take some work to integrate it into IdeasTorrent (shouldn't be too hard).
|-
| Analysis of the Ratings (IdeaTorrent)
| This is just a placeholder to look at the analysis capabilities of IdeaTorrent. From the user's point of view, the votes are the sum of positive (+1), neutral (0) and negative (-1) votes. The total number of votes seems not to be available.
'''Ivanm:''' We could easily create a query to count the number of votes and present it if desired.

|-
| Roadmap and Rollout
| What steps will be necessary to roll out the "idea handling"? Just a few keywords in more or less random order:
* Provide the technical foundation (hardware, software)
* Specify and/or develop required extensions to the software (e.g. IdeaTorrent)
* Develop the visual design and the content of the web presence (e.g. help texts)
* Develop / document the processes
* Test the functionality of the web presence (Beta phase)
* Advertise the new page to the public
* Analyze and improve ... :-)

|-
| Promotion and Marketing
| The web presence will and should be highly visible and known to the public. So how might we promote this? Some ideas:
* Press coverage (e.g. part of the ongoing Renaissance Project)
* Interlink the web presence with other OpenOffice.org pages (e.g. Issue Tracker, OpenOffice.org main page)
* Link to it from the [http://contributing.openoffice.org/ Contributing] page
* Blog about it
* Mailing lists
* Integration into the User Feedback Extension

Moreover, e.g. if we use IdeaTorrent, we should emphasize the growing cooperation between the different open source software projects.

|-
| Affiliation of Idea Handling
| Due to the relevance to the users, it is proposed that the "idea handling" effort is coordinated from within the OpenOffice.org [http://ux.openoffice.org User Experience] team.

Question: Will other projects agree to this proposal?
|}

== References and Related Information ==

This section contains references to wiki pages and web pages which should not get lost, but did not seem to fit perfectly in the previous text.

'''OpenOffice.org'''

*[http://specs.openoffice.org/ OpenOffice.org Specification Project]
*[[Renaissance|Project Renaissance]] to "Create a User Interface so that OpenOffice.org becomes the users' choice not only out of need, but also out of desire"
*[[List of wishes|List of Wishes]] to collect ideas by users (status unknown)

'''Idea Handling in Other Open Source Software Projects'''

*[http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=83 KDE Brainstom]
*[http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ Gimp UI Brainstorm]
*[http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com Ubuntu Brainstorm] and the Wiki documentation [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm Brainstorm] based on [http://www.ideatorrent.org/ IdeaTorrent]
*[http://ideaforge.linux.com Linux.com IDEAFORGE]

'''Idea Handling for Commercial Products and Services'''

*[http://ideas.acrobat.com Acrobat.com Ideas] based on [http://www.brightidea.com/webstorm.bix Brightidea Webstorm]
*[http://www.ideastorm.com Dell Ideastorm] based on [http://www.salesforce.com/products/ideas/ Salesforce Ideas]
*[http://lotusknows.ideajam.net/ IBM Lotus Knows IdeaJam] based on [http://elguji.com/ideajam/elguji/elguji.nsf/htdocs/ideajam Elguji IdeaJam]
*[http://uservoice.com/ UserVoice]

[[Category:User_Experience]] [[Category:Website]]

Printerpullpages/Idea Collection

2010-11-04T21:03:29Z

ChristophNoack: Added Duplex Printing Proposal

This page is part of the CWS printerpullpages. It collects ideas which may later get evaluated and even integrated. You are invited to '''add your ideas'''!

 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
| '''Date Raised'''
| '''Source'''
| '''Summary'''
| '''Status'''
| '''Details'''
|-
|  ???
| I-Team Specification
| Replace Print Preview Printing
| Accepted
| Currently, Writer provides very flexible N-up capabilities. This should be made available to all applications – via the new print dialog.
|-
|  ???
| I-Team
| Improve Workflows
| New
| Besides the printing dialog, the concepts and the handling of printing options is difficult in OpenOffice.org (currently we just provide a list of options which have to be combined in a useful manner – here the user has to know exactly what to do).
Another example is the work-flow breaking dialog handling when printing. More information can be found in the blog post [http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2009/06/transparent-decision-making.html Transparent Decision Making].

So this is no real “idea”, it is more a reminder to keep an eye on that.

|-
| 2009-06-11
| I-Team
| Contextual Information Bar
| New
| As discussed in “Improve Workflows”, there are currently a number of modal dialogs which might interrupt the workflow. So how about a contextual information bar which informs only (e.g. for wrong page sizes, transparency, gradients, ...)? How about adding a contextual information bar in the dialog itself...
[[Image:Printerpullpages OtherIdea Contextual Information Bar.png|thumb|center|256px]]

On the other hand, it would be better to get rid of all these additional informations, warnings and decisions. Open Questions:

*If people print via shortcut, then the print dialog is omitted. What to do?
*If native dialogs are used, then we miss the flexibility to add this kind of warning.

|-
|  ???
| I-Team
| Harmonize printing and PDF export
| New
| Currently, the capabilities of printing and PDF export differ a lot (Example: There is no way to export handouts in Impress.) Why not harmonize that?
|-
| 2009-06-14
| I-Team
| Printer Presets
| New
| Currently, we provide a lot of printer settings which have to be combined by the user. Generally, users use only a small number of combinations, since they are editing similar documents. So they might just use settings for "draft" or "final output". Print settings which could be customized could help here (costomized: edited, saved, loaded, deleted). Some competitors already offer this kind of functionality.
|-
| 2009-06-14
| [[User:Regina|Regina]]
| multiple copies of a one page document on one paper sheet
| New
| Use case: You need a lot of DIN A5 sheets to distribute flyers or for to give the sheets to your pupils in your classroom. You write a DIN A5 document. But DIN A5 paper is more expensive than DIN A4 paper. So you want to print the same document twice on a DIN A4 paper. That is not possible up to now. Besides the {{bug|67687}}, have a look in the internet forums, you see that people are searching for that feature but get only workarounds or have to buy special software. For example http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=65019 or http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=30747 or the workaround for Word http://www.gmayor.com/print_multiple_copies.htm
|-
| 2009-06-16
| [[User:Regina|Regina]]
| Assistance for envelope printing
| New
| Printing envelopes still belongs to the tasks which most failures. OOo should use informations about the printer (for example from the PPD-file) to help the users. For example, OOo can show how to insert the envelop, or show, what position the envelope must have compared with the standard paper sheet.
|-
| 2009-07-04
| [[User:ChristophNoack|Christoph]]
| Merge change tracking and notes
| New
| Issue: In Writer, currently there is no common handling for the printing of Notes or handling of Change Tracking. If tracked changes are enabled in the document, they are also printed. There is no way to enable/disable these „reviewer markups“.
Proposal: Maybe something to change/merge for further releases? Open Question: Maybe also Calc is affected, since it also supports change tracking.

|-
| 2009-08-09
| [[User:ChristophNoack|Christoph]]
| Further harmonize printing options
| New
| Issue: Why should we provide "Colors" (original colors, grayscale, black&white) to Draw/Impress only? Does it make sense to make it available to all document types?
Proposal: Harmonize the options.

|-
| 2009-08-09
| [[User:ChristophNoack|Christoph]]
| Easy handling of printing options defaults
| New
| Issue: Usually (but not always!), the settings of printing options which are located in the printing dialog are saved on a per document bases. Settings located in the Tools - Options are made available to all newly created documents. But, many people are not aware of this fact.
Proposal: If we don't go for printer setting presets, it might make sense to add a functionality in the printing dialog to make these settings persistent (to e.g. store defaults like in Tools -- Options).

|-
| 2009-10-07
| [[User:Regina|Regina]]
| Inform the user when selected sheets have print range "none"
|  ???
| Issue: The user might not know, why a worksheet is not printed although he has selected it. So an information like "5 worksheets have print range "none" and are not printed" would be helpful. For details of this problem see {{bug|47600}} and discussion "Issue 47600 Calc : default print ranges" on [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/SearchList?list=discuss&searchText=%22Issue+47600%22&defaultField=subject&Search=Search discuss@ux.openoffice.org]
|-
| 2009-12-01
| [[User:Regina|Regina]]
| Inform the user about the actual paper sheet size and maybe about document page or selection size.
| New
| {{Documentation/Note|'''Please note:''' The topic is currently moved to [[Printerpullpages/ContextualInformation|Printerpullpages/ContextualInformation]]. Please add ideas and comments there.}}
Issue: The automatically chosen paper sheet size might be surprising. Sometimes the user cannot even guess the size, because an automatic scaling happens. {{bug|107331}} Therefore show at least the actual paper size near the preview. Here are two proposals, one using a measure line, the other using text.

[[Image:Cwsprinterpullpages 2009 12 01 Ideas PaperSize Measure Line.png|thumb|center|256px]][[Image:Cwsprinterpullpages 2009 12 01 Ideas PaperSize Text.png|thumb|center|256px]]

I've added two more proposals --[[User:ChristophNoack|ChristophNoack]] 19:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC) [[Image:2009-12-06 PrintingDialog Idea ShowPageSize1.png|thumb|center|400px]] [[Image:2009-12-06 PrintingDialog Idea ShowPageSize2.png|thumb|center|400px]] Answer 2010-02-01 PL: The above proposals look nice, however the text "will be scaled to" is factually incorrect; some of our applications (impress, calc) will layout to the printer specified paper anyway, so the problem does not occur there. Others (writer, draw) will request paper sizes according to what is specified in the document. The contents will then not be scaled in any way. Instead the contents will be printed centered. Perhaps we could find a compromise here, something of the form Crhistoph proposed, but saying "The document specified paper size B5 (<x> cm * <y> cm) is unavailable, instead the current printer paper size A4 (<x> cm * <y> cm) will be used". This would appear over the preview if a mismatch between requested paper size and printer paper size occurs (as far as the driver will let us determine).

Answer 2010-02-25 Regina: I like using the Message Area too, but propose another string. Situation: I print a DINA5 brochure. OOo prints the correct two document pages together, but uses DINA5 paper size instead of DINA4. Because my printer is able to use DINA5, I get no warning, but a print of 2xDINA5 downscaled to DINA5 printed on DINA4. Unless I open the printer properties, I cannot know which paper size OOo assumes, because the preview looks the same for DINA5 and DINA4. I propose:

<tt>Assumed size of sheet of paper (height x width)</tt>

<tt>210 mm x 297 mm = DIN A4</tt>

The first line will be translated, the second line uses the units from the page format setting. The part <tt>= DIN A4</tt> is added, if it is a named size known to OOo. So the second line needs no translation and positions are therefore independent of local string length.--[[User:Regina|Regina]] 20:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

|-
| 2010-02-15
| [[User:ChristophNoack|Christoph]]
| Provide watermark functionality
| New
| Please refer to {{bug|22405}} and mail thread [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=ui&from=2337151&to=2337151&count=1&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 ux-ui: Easy way to create text watermarks]
|-
| 2010-11-04 
| Mike 
| Manual Duplex Printing Capability 
| New 
| [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=ui&msgNo=1067 Mail by Mike]: "Printers that don't have physical 2-side printing attachments can do it if the print job is properly ordered. Since the printing system will now (in OO 3.3+) by "pulling" data, it should be trivial to send the pages to the printer in the right order (say, even in reversed order, then odd in normal order). Some printer drivers do that for you, but not in Windows 7 for older printers that have to use a generic driver. Add as a print option?" 
|}

[[Category:User_Experience]]

User:ChristophNoack

2010-10-23T15:23:57Z

ChristophNoack: Moved CC role --> past areas of involvement

{{User Experience Community}}

{| class="table"
|-
| [[Image:User Christoph Noack.png]]
| Welcome!
Thanks for your internet stopover at my little place. The person writing these lines is called Christoph Noack and is currently the co-lead of the [http://ux.openoffice.org OpenOffice.org User Experience project].

|}

== Contact ==

If you want to contact me then please feel free to drop me an email.

Mail: christophnoack AT openoffice.org
Blog: http://ux.openoffice.org/blog/

== Activities ==

=== '''Current Areas of Involvement''' ===

*Taking part in the [http://ux.openoffice.org OpenOffice.org User Experience project].
*Being a member in the project which aims to improve the user interface of OpenOffice.org. Find more information at the [[Renaissance|Project Renaissance Wiki Page]].
*Trying to improve the current printing in OpenOffice.org. The project is described at the [[Printerpullpages|Printerpullpages Wiki Page]]

=== '''Past / Postponed Areas of Involvement''' ===

*Helping with the revision of the Notes functionality in Writer. Find more information at the [[Notes2|Notes2 Wiki Page]].
*Proposal for an UI which allows the direct manipulation or access to Hyperlinks, Smart Tags, Notes etc. Find out more at [[Proposal DirectManipulationSnippets|Direct Manipulation Snippets Wiki Page]].
*Thinking of how to improve the Options in OpenOffice.org. See the [[User Experience/Improved Options|Improved Options Wiki Page]]. 
*Trying to better interact with the broader community by collection ides. Have a look at the [[OpenOffice.org Idea Handling|OpenOffice.org Idea Handling Wiki Page]]. 
*Adding the idea "Document Check" to improve the revision of documents. This way, please: [[User_Experience/DocumentCheck|Document Check]].
*Representing the "Product Development" in the [http://council.openoffice.org/ OpenOffice.org Community Council]

 ''Thank you for your interest, have a nice day!''

''Christoph''

[[Category:User_Experience_Community|C]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-10-14T20:56:22Z

ChristophNoack: Updated for next meeting

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-11-04 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-10-14|Minutes#2010-10-14]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-10-14#1 
| Where do we stand 
| new 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Now that many members of the community council support the Document Foundation: how do find the best way to go on?
*Discussion: A summary seems hard to provide, so please consider to read the [[Community Council Log 20101014#IRC_Log_2010-10-14|IRC Log]].
*Result: Cor and Martin will have a talk and discuss the topic. Additionally, some community council members request to resolve the issue by next Tuesday (2010-10-19).

|-
| bgcolor="#ffffcc" colspan="6" | Note: Because of running out of time, the meeting has been. So no further Action Items (below) have been discussed.
|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
*2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community Council/collaboration in the OOo-community|improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-10-14T20:55:17Z

ChristophNoack: Updated for next meeting

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-10-14 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-10-14|Minutes#2010-10-14]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-10-14#1 
| Where do we stand 
| new 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Now that many members of the community council support the Document Foundation: how do find the best way to go on?
*Discussion: A summary seems hard to provide, so please consider to read the [[Community Council Log 20101014#IRC_Log_2010-10-14|IRC Log]].
*Result: Cor and Martin will have a talk and discuss the topic. Additionally, some community council members request to resolve the issue by next Tuesday (2010-10-19).

|-
| bgcolor="#ffffcc" colspan="6" | Note: Because of running out of time, the meeting has been. So no further Action Items (below) have been discussed.
|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
*2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community Council/collaboration in the OOo-community|improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Minutes

2010-10-14T20:55:12Z

ChristophNoack: word missing :-\

{{Community_Council}}
= Minutes of Meetings =

== 2010-10-14 ==

=== IRC Log ===

[[Community Council Log 20101014]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| ''none''
| Meet the Community Council
| ''none''
| all
| 2010-10-14
| Public "Meet the Community Council" session took place. Please have a look at the [[Community Council Log 20101014#Meet_the_Community_Council_Session|IRC Log]].
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-09-23|Minutes#2010-09-23]] 
*Result: Confirmed.

|-
| 2010-10-14#1 
| Where do we stand 
| new 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Now that many members of the community council support the Document Foundation: how do find the best way to go on?
*Discussion: A summary seems hard to provide, so please consider to read the [[Community Council Log 20101014#IRC_Log_2010-10-14|IRC Log]].
*Result: Cor and Martin will have a talk and discuss the topic. Additionally, some community council members request to resolve the issue by next Tuesday (2010-10-19).

|-
| bgcolor="#ffffcc" colspan="6" | Note: Because of running out of time, the meeting has been adjourned. So no further Action Items (below) have been discussed.
|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
*2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community Council/collaboration in the OOo-community|improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

== 2010-09-23 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See 

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-08-12|Minutes#2010-08-12]] 
*Result: We approved it in Budapest and had no minutes from Budapest to approve for today.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Done 
| Juergen 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.
*Updated the meeting guidelines and change the name of our public session, [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Meet_the_Community_Council|Meet the Community Council]]. Add a note for a public reminder and provide an initial template for the reminder ([[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines/Public Invitation Reminder Template|Public Invitation Reminder Template]]).
*done and will be removed

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Done (moved) 
| Charles 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Few projects agree to respond to the interview for the NLC project of the month. This month the Hungarian team will be highlighted for obvious reasons, and in September the Italian community is scheduled. 
*decided to remove it from the CC agenda because it's more daily project work and should be tracked there.

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
*2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community Council/collaboration in the OOo-community|improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

 

== 2010-08-12 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100812]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-24 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-22|Minutes#2010-07-22]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Done 
| Juergen 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.
*Updated the meeting guidelines and change the name of our public session, [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Meet_the_Community_Council|Meet the Community Council]]. Add a note for a public reminder and provide an initial template for the reminder ([[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines/Public Invitation Reminder Template|Public Invitation Reminder Template]]).

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Few projects agree to respond to the interview for the NLC project of the month. This month the Hungarian team will be highlighted for obvious reasons, and in September the Italian community is scheduled. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-08-12 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

 

== 2010-07-22 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100722]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| ''none'' 
| Questions-and-Answers 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*30 min Public Questions-and-Answers Session has been done, see [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20100722#Public_Questions-and-Answers_Session meeting minutes] 

|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-01|Minutes#2010-07-01]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Juergen 
| 2010-07-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-22 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-22
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Finalized. Andreas Bartel has been elected. Congratulations :-) 
*Next steps: None 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-07-22 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

== 2010-07-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100701]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-06-10|Minutes#2010-06-10]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin -> Jüergen 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 
*transferred to Jürgen

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Finalized 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Jürgen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Jürgen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*proposed to work on in Budapest. All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to officially step in. 
*finalized, Jürgen Schmidt is the new coordinator

|}

 

== 2010-06-10 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100610]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship 
| Finalized 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Original topic: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC. We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program had been worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members were asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23. Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor joined the discussion to work on a proposal.
*The OpenOffice.org Internship Programme has been officially announced on several channels, e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=418 a mail on the announce-list].
*Result: In the CC meeting it has been decided to mark this item "finalized".

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-08 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-07#1
| Do not promote proprietary software through the OpenOffice.org extensions library
| Rejected
|   (none)
| 2010-05-20
|
*Source: User "Juca" added this item 2010-05-07.
*OpenOffice.org is free software, but some of the extensions it offers to the users are proprietary. OpenOffice.org extensions library should not promote proprietary extensions. 
*Result: The Council already discussed this issue due to a request by the FSF. The reply can be found [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=417 here].

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to step in. 

|}

== 2010-05-20 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100520]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-04-29 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100429]]

=== Minutes ===

Note: Council members didn't update their actions items appropriately. If you have doubts, please have a look at the IRC Log (above).

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-15|Minutes#2010-04-15]] 
*Result: Minutes have been approved.

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Finalized 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Voting phase has been finished. Two of the three candidates have been confirmed. Final result is available here: [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]]. 
**Follow-up action item 2010-04-23#1 to decide how to deal with the unconfirmed "Product Development Representative". 
**According to meeting 2010-04-01: Christoph will update the Election Process bylaw once the current election is over. The change will describe the exclusive use of dedicated tooling for the voting, e.g. LimeSurvey. The version of the bylaw will be changed from 1.0 to 1.1. 
*Result 2010-04-29: Item has been finalized.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
|   Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Initial situation: In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. How to proceed?
*Proposal: Re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Result: All agreed to proposal.
*Next steps:
**Christoph will create a new wiki page for the elections 2010-05.
**Elections itself will be started as soon as possible.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
| Missing OOo desktop presence
| New 
|   ??? 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community.
**Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
*Next steps: Christoph will forward the request to council-discuss. 

|-
| 2010-04-29#3
| CC Meetings Calendar
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Two months ago, the CC decided to meet each 2 weeks instead of 3 for a "test period". Now there is a need to decide how to continue and to update the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar CC meeting calender] page.
*Result: We proceed with the 3 weeks schedule for the next meetings.
*Next steps: [[Community Council/Calendar|CC meeting calender]] has been updated. 

|}

== 2010-04-15 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100415]]

=== Minutes ===

To be done (hopefully). In the meantime, you may refer to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Agenda&oldid=162224 Agenda and Work status page (2010-04-01)].

== 2010-04-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100401]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-03-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100318]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*No meeting minutes available for 2010-03-04 
*Instead, all agreed on the minutes log [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Accepted 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Mail for nominations have been done; several nominations received. 
*Next phase, introduction of the nominees, will be started.
*Overall status can be tracked at [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]].
*Next steps: Christoph will announce the next phase "introduction". 

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*All CC members are asked to comment the proposal on the CC mailing list.
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Reminder to keep an eye how to provide consistency for the different pieces. Will be discussed with Clayton. 
*Next steps: Ongoing discussion on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles is asked to provide updates on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#8 
| New template for CC meetings 
| Finalized 
| Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Current proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. 
*Everyone (except Leif, deputy of Charles) voted to use it from now on. Charles may add comments in the next few days, if required.
*Next steps: Christoph will update the minutes according the new template. Accepted proposal will be moved to a more "official" wiki page. Announcement to be made on the CC mailing list.

|-
| 2010-03-04#9 
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias 
| Finalized 
| John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in last meeting.
*Next steps: none

|-
| 2010-03-04#10 
| Confirm/discuss [[Community Council/Calendar|proposed dates]] for future council meetings 
| Finalized 
| All 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in some of the previous meetings.
*Reminder: Request confirmation for future dates (e.g. end of April 2010)
*Next steps: none 

|-
| 2010-03-04#11 
| Trademark 
| Rejected 
| Stefan 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No updates; will be rejected for now. 
*Next steps: Stefan will re-open this item when a revised policy is available.

|}

== 2010-03-04 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

=== Minutes ===

Minutes and action items are not available.

=== Agenda Items ===

Since no meeting minutes are available, the original agenda will be used instead.

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Due Date
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| All 
| 
| See [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-02-18|Community_Council/Minutes#2010-02-18]]. 
|-
| 1 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| 
|
2010-03-03: Louis sent the mail for nomination on 2010-02-27. The nomination phase will end 2010-03-15 15 at 24:00 UTC. 

Next Steps: ???

|-
| 2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| 
|-
| 3 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| 
|-
| 4
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*back to rework on a new proposal how to move forward
*Based on a further talk with Clayton Juergen has sent out a new idea of a bounty program on the discuss@council.openoffice.org mailing list. The main idea of it is to define many smaller and more fine grained projects and make them publicly available. Each projects will be honored with a appropriate amount of money depending on the project. For more details see the email. 

|-
| 5
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 8
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. It has been refined to make working with it easier and more efficient. Basically, it is now a continuous table which can be sorted according to several status labels. Originally, I proposed to use different sections to markup the status of action items. Additionally, the proposal to move the "record date" to the action item ID has been incorporated. Please review the proposal - or even better - accept it :-) 

Next Steps:

*If accepted, then the current agenda wiki page will be transformed to respect the proposed format. Additionally, the content of the "Proposed Improvements" page will be moved to a more "official" place.
*If rejected, then ...nothing.
*JSC: +1

|-
| 9
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
Next Step: John will work on that until the next meeting. 

|-
| 10
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| 2010-03-04 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Next Steps: None planned. 

|-
| 11 
| Trademark
| Stefan 
| 
|
Next Step: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

== 2010-02-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

List of attendees and IRC log can be found here: [[Community Council Log 20100218]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Status
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| - 
| Approved 
| 
|-
| 1 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| Louis
| Done
|
List of events interesting for OpenOffice.org available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Events#Year_2010 Events, Year 2010]. From now on, it needs to be completed by MarCon.

|-
| 2 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| In progress 
|
Louis is currently preparing the initial email "New election for Community Council". A second draft is already available and feedback has already been provided. 

Next Steps: 

*Louis is asked to send the initial email - if its ready. 
*Christoph will have a look at the election process and (support to) trigger the next steps. 

|-
| 3 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 4 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 5
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| In progress
|
Clayton has send a first draft to council-discuss ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2454 Draft of the Community Council proposal to hire a Tech Writer]), we need some confirmation how to proceed keeping the proposed quote in mind. 

Discussion: 

*The costs are estimated to be roughly 40 K USD. It has been agreed that this seems to be a realistic estimation and maintainability is a very important question. 
*These costs do not fit in any currently planned budget. Some proposals were made how this work might be split / separated to get more manageable pieces (in terms of budget). But it has also been raised that it might only make sense if it is worked on the full documentation. 
*It has been agreed that - before any further decision can be made - all people should have a closer look at Clayton's proposal. 

Next Steps: 

*All CC members will have a closer look at the proposal (link above). (Added by Christoph: Everybody is free to provide proposals how to proceed.) 
*A funding proposal request has to be worked out for the the next meeting. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| In progress 
|
John has sent a mail to the Google representative Leslie Hawthorn a couple of days ago. We are waiting for an answer.

Discussion: It has been raised that the applications for "would-be mentoring applications" is open from 2010-03-08 to 2010-03-12 ([http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f source]). 

Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| In progress 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 8
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| In progress 
|
Announcement has been made on the NLC list. One "volunteer" project found for the first month month, the Irish Gaelic project. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*John did also inform the responsible for the OpenOffice.org Newsletter (Kay Koll) to use some information from the Community Council minutes. 
*The question was raised how to support Kay to ensure valid information. Sophie stated that usually the newsletter draft is reviewed. 

Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 9
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| John
| Done 
|
Request has been discussed with the Hungarian OOoCon team and with MarCon. The proposal that the MP should set up a 'permanent' arrangement for video for all OOoCons may need finance - probably next year's budget though. The Marketing Project is still discussing if this is a better approach. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*Short discussion of whether the location of the OOoCons should be fixed or not. A comparison has been made to FOSDEM. 
*The action item will be closed, because the Marketing Project is aware of this issue. 

|-
| 10
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| Louis
| Done 
| Louis sent the mail and the FSF (Peter Brown) already replied. 
|-
| 11
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
Some of the proposals from the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg have been summarized. Work on a draft has been started. It is available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements]. 

Discussion: 

*Cor estimated this work to be close-to-final. 
*A discussion on how to name the Action Items. The basic requirement is to identify the "age" of the items. Several proposals have been made. 

Next Steps: 

*Everybody will have a look at the draft and provide feedback (if required). 
*Christoph will finalize the proposal and present it in the next meeting to officially accept or reject it. 

|-
| 12
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
No update. John will work on that until the next meeting. 

Remark: The budget has already been accepted in the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg.

|-
| 13
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
A first proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Discussion:

*According to Stefan the need for information might be higher during the next months.
*It has been proposed to change the schedule so that the Community Council meetings will be held each two weeks. This applies to the meetings in the next two months to check if this is applicable.
*Some people expressed the demand to reduce the meeting time to about one hour.

Next Step: Christoph will re-work the proposed dates and inform the Community Council members. 

|-
| 
| Update of the OpenOffice.org logo and the branding initiative
| -
| 
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion:

*Two proposals have been presented to the branding working group.
*A due date has been proposed to finalize the effort.

|-
| 
| Trademark
| -
| 
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

 

== 2010-02-04/05 (F2F Meeting in Hamburg) ==

=== Attendees ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Name
! Initials (not the OOo user name)
|-
| Martin Hollmichel
| MHo
|-
| Matthias Huetsch
| MHu
|-
| Cor Nouws
| CNou
|-
| Christoph Noack
| CN
|-
| Louis Suarez-Potts
| LS-P
|-
| Charles-H. Schulz
| C-HS
|-
| John McCreesh
| JPMcC
|-
| Stefan Taxhet
| ST
|-
| Jürgen Schmidt
| JS
|}

=== Minutes ===

==== Status Updates from CC Sponsored Activities ====

'''Trademark Policy'''

ST reported that the draft trademark policy was being reviewed by Sun Legal, but no major changes were expected.

'''Developing developers'''

''The CC welcomed Clayton Cornell for this item'' 

The CC discussed three areas where documentation could be improved: 

*how-to get into core development (technical) 
*how-to engage in the community development process (people) 
*how-to get into extension development (technical) 

There was a discussion on the merits of traditional paper-based documentation versus webinars etc for each of these. 

The CC agreed to focus on extensions, possibly based on Per’s current work with Kai on a gallery extension. Clayton was actioned to come back with a budgetary estimate for the work.

The CC agreed to talk to Google to see whether the Oracle takeover meant that OOo would be accepted this year for the Summer of Code exercise. If not, the CC should press on with its own internship exercise.

'''Pootle Infrastructure'''

''The CC welcomed Rafaella Braconi for this item''

*A new Pootle sys admin was now in place and was actively managing the system
*Some background scripts had been removed. Feedback from the engineers was that performance of Pootle was not hardware constrained.
*the latest version of Pootle would be installed as soon as OOo 3.2 was released

Overall the position had stabilised. Engagement with the Pootle developers was good. We should look to get feedback from the community again in Q2 after the software upgrade. The CC would be willing to help the Pootle team carry out developments to meet OOo requirements if required.

'''Download Infrastructure Migration (MirrorBrain)'''

JPMcC reported that the Marketing Project download reporting system was now being fed from both Bouncer and MirrorBrain, and 3.2 would be released via MirrorBrain. He thanked the MirrorBrain team for their help in meeting OOo’s requirements.

'''Site Infrastructure Migration (Kenai)'''

ST reported on the project to migrate OOo from Collabnet to Kenai. Kenai is based on open source technologies such as Zoomla, Bugzilla, and Rails, but will be managed as a service by a team within Oracle. The OOo Project Leads and Web Project are now actively engaged on the migration which is planned to have three phases:

*fit-gap analysis of Kenai features vs OOo requirements (underway)
*any resulting OOo ‘must have’ features implemented in Kenai
*data migration scripts developed and proven (underway - Collabnet data dump received)

Migration must be complete by end of June. ST believed this was ambitious but achievable, as a pilot project (netbeans.org) had already migrated successfully. There would still be a requirement for a ‘*.services.oo.o’ for OOo-specific requirements.

Link: [http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home]

==== Agenda Items ====

The additional agenda can be found [[Community Council/Agenda/Face2Face|here]].

'''Oracle / Sun'''

The CC noted the contents of the recent webcasts by Oracle, and that the formal Legal Entity Consolidation of Oracle and Sun Microsystems was due this month. The CC had always valued the relationship with Sun, and looked forward to a similarly fruitful relationship with Oracle. The CC extended their best wishes to the formerly Sun-sponsored community contributors in their new home as a global business unit within Oracle Corporation. The CC had no comment to make on Oracle’s announcement of a commercial ‘Cloud Office’ product other than to state new entrants are always welcome to the ODF ecosystem.

'''Education Project'''

Following on from the ''Developing developers'' initiative and the work with Seneca, the CC debated where these activities should be best placed with OOo. The Education Project would seem an obvious home, but the project had recently undertaken a number of initiatives which were already taking it in several different directions. The CC agreed to talk to the project leads about the structure and remit of the project, to give greater focus and avoid conflicts with other projects.

'''Branding'''

''The CC welcomed Rosana Ardila Biela for this item''

RAB gave a presentation on the work to refresh and relaunch the visual identity of OOo, as part of a branding initiative within the Marketing Project. She presented a revamped OOo logo which was still work in progress within the working party. The CC warmly welcomed the activity, and encouraged the team to reach consensus on a new logo. If the team was unable to do so, then they should present options to the CC for another decision / route - however, it was far better for the experts in the team to decide, rather than the amateurs on the CC!

'''Native Language Community development'''

The CC discussed ways of encouraging NLC development.

*Requests for financial support for Regional Conferences would be considered on a case by case basis. Funding would be start-up only, as conferences are expected to be self-financing. The CC recommends that OOo teams should be encouraged to join forces with other open-source projects to share the costs and efforts involved in running conferences.
*NLCs should be encouraged to volunteer for a ‘Native Language Community of the Month’ spotlight in the OOo Newsletter - C-HS to organise.
*The CC discussed direct funding of new localisations e.g. at the request of a government. Past experience suggested these did not lead to sustainable versions. The success of the NLC within OOo was based round a team of activists providing a complete package of localisation, QA, training, support, etc.

'''‘Greening’ OpenOffice.org'''

The CC discussed ways of minimising OOo’s carbon footprint. OOo’s infrastructure is mostly donated by third parties, which means the CC cannot make direct decisions about e.g. using only renewable electricity in datacentres. The CC agreed that OOoCon should be made more accessible for remote attendees as a priority, e.g. improved web streaming, dial-in access to sessions, mandatory advance submission of papers, etc. Support of remote attendees should be made a key deciding factor in awarding the 2011 OOoCon. The Marketing Project was also asked to consider options - e.g. should the MP be responsible for a web capability centrally every year rather than rely on local teams?

'''Extensions Repository'''

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has notified the CC that the OOo Extensions Repository does not conform to FSF principles, as it hosts ‘non-free’ software. As a result, any software distributions wishing to conform to FSF standards should not make use of the OOo Repository. The CC agreed that licence information could be improved on the Repository, as this is an important factor people should consider when choosing extensions. The FSF would be welcomed to help in providing this sorting / filtering mechanism. However, the CC would not support a forking or partitioning of the Repository to exclude ‘non-free’ extensions. OOo respects the right of its users to make their own informed choice of software, and believes this is best achieved by a single Repository offering a full selection of extensions.

'''Community Council Effectiveness'''

CC members used the opportunity of this face to face meeting to brainstorm high and low points of 2009, and consider community goals for 2010/2011. An offline presentation by CN highlighted the lack of a consistent trail from the overall OOo mission statement down to project or release goals.

The CC discussed issues with its current processes:

*CC members over-committing to Action Items, which they then fail to deliver
*the quality of the minutes, which makes it hard for community members to understand what the CC is doing
*the amount of time taken up on IRC presenting status reports, which could be more efficiently done in advance

The CC also needs to improve its communication with the Community. The CC agreed to experiment with starting meetings with a public session. The Minutes should be prepared in a form that anyone can understand without having to work through IRC logs. It should also be possible to copy and paste from the Minutes into the monthly OOo Newsletter to give a ‘This Month in the Community Council’ article.

CN (the current facilitator) agreed to work on a new meeting template including these improvements. JPMcC agreed to write up the minutes for this meeting.

'''2010 Budget'''

MHe reported that the current level of monthly donations was sufficient to support the proposed budget. The majority of these donations came from small contributions via PayPal. The CC agreed to adopt the draft budget for 2010 but review it quarterly to see if the allocation between different headings should be amended. MHe agreed to publish a summary of ‘actual vs budget’ quarterly on the wiki. JPMcC agreed to refresh the budget wiki pages for 2010. All projects should be encouraged to put forward proposals for using all the available funding.

==== Action Items ====

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action
! Who
! When
! Status
|-
| 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| LS-P
| 
| ongoing
|-
| 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| LS-P
| 
| transferred to CN with help from JMcC
|-
| 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.1
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| JS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.2
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.3
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| CNou
| 
| 
|-
| 402.4
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| C-HS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.5
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.6
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.7
| New template for CC meetings
| CN
| 
| 
|-
| 402.8
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from MHe
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|}

 

== 2010-01-21 ==

=== IRC log ===

*[[Community Council Log 20100121]]

=== AIs ===

#Budget '''Louis: prepare a wiki page with events'''.
#Trademark Policy ''ST to take back to trademark list''
#Elections: first cycle is finished. Next steps:
##''Jürgen: Update council webpage'': (done)
##''Louis: Notification to broader community about results'' (done)
##'''Louis: Initiate phase 2 of the new election for Martin, Pavel, John.''': put on hold until after holidays, viz., post 6 jan
##'''Louis: advertise public part at #ooocouncilpub in the beginning before next council meeting''': Louis suggest we do it for next meeting.
#OpenOffice.org Internship
##'''Martin to put together a proposal for hiring a technical writer to document getting started on OOo development.''': open
##'''AI: "Winter of Code"; Cor to own and cry for help if required.'''; list to be used is mentoring @ ooo: open
#Distribution infrastructure (Bouncer); '''John''': We are on target to use mirrorbrain for 3.2; Louis proposed '''AI: that the CC publicly thanks the volunteer mirrors on the release of 3.2 for 9 plus years of heroic work including and esp. osuosl.'''
#l10n infrastructure (Pootle): ''ST: Pootle version upgrade imminent beginnig 2010''; ''AI: Owner?: find better tool that is a closer fit, if necessary''; '''Cor is going to contact Andre.'''
#Procedures for retirement of a project in Incubator and NLC. '''Louis: deliver final wording after the discussion that was on the mail list - carry forward'''; see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2101] to be inforporated in http://native-lang.openoffice.org/#terminus and http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html
#Proposal for handling incubator and NLC projects. '''Louis: come with clear proposal, so we can put it on the agenda for a future meeting - carry forward'''
#Budget 2010: ''AI: all budget holders to submit their requests for a share of this 100k''. See proposal from Matthias [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2324]; '''Vote on Matthias' Proposal pending'''
#Council coordinator: '''choosing ST's successor''' (for the period from February 2010 - May 2010). (done)
#'''Juergen: Prepare Agenda for F2F Meeting in Hamburg, February 4/5;'''
#Ja added: How to handle impolite remarks in IssueTracker issues ? See issue 107456. Corresponding user ignores changes made to the issue he wrote. (done)

== Archived Meeting Minutes ==

The following pages archive the old meeting minutes of the Community Council:

*[[Community Council/Minutes 2009|Minutes 2009]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2008|Minutes 2008]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2007|Minutes 2007]]

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Minutes

2010-10-14T20:53:13Z

ChristophNoack: 2010-10-14 /* Minutes of Meetings */

{{Community_Council}}
= Minutes of Meetings =

== 2010-10-14 ==

=== IRC Log ===

[[Community Council Log 20101014]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| ''none''
| Meet the Community Council
| ''none''
| all
| 2010-10-14
| Public "Meet the Community Council" session took place. Please have a look at the [[Community Council Log 20101014#Meet_the_Community_Council_Session|IRC Log]].
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-09-23|Minutes#2010-09-23]] 
*Result: Confirmed.

|-
| 2010-10-14#1 
| Where do we stand 
| new 
| all 
| 2010-10-14 
|
*Now that many members of the community council support the Document Foundation: how do find the best way to go on?
*Discussion: A summary seems hard to provide, so please consider to read the [[Community Council Log 20101014#IRC_Log_2010-10-14|IRC Log]].
*Result: Cor and Martin will have a talk and discuss the topic. Additionally, some community council members request to resolve the issue by next Tuesday (2010-10-19).

|-
| bgcolor="#ffffcc" colspan="6" | Note: Because of running out of time, the meeting has been. So no further Action Items (below) have been discussed.
|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
*2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community Council/collaboration in the OOo-community|improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

== 2010-09-23 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See 

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-08-12|Minutes#2010-08-12]] 
*Result: We approved it in Budapest and had no minutes from Budapest to approve for today.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Done 
| Juergen 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.
*Updated the meeting guidelines and change the name of our public session, [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Meet_the_Community_Council|Meet the Community Council]]. Add a note for a public reminder and provide an initial template for the reminder ([[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines/Public Invitation Reminder Template|Public Invitation Reminder Template]]).
*done and will be removed

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Done (moved) 
| Charles 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Few projects agree to respond to the interview for the NLC project of the month. This month the Hungarian team will be highlighted for obvious reasons, and in September the Italian community is scheduled. 
*decided to remove it from the CC agenda because it's more daily project work and should be tracked there.

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
*2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community Council/collaboration in the OOo-community|improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

 

== 2010-08-12 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100812]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-24 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-22|Minutes#2010-07-22]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Done 
| Juergen 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.
*Updated the meeting guidelines and change the name of our public session, [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Meet_the_Community_Council|Meet the Community Council]]. Add a note for a public reminder and provide an initial template for the reminder ([[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines/Public Invitation Reminder Template|Public Invitation Reminder Template]]).

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Few projects agree to respond to the interview for the NLC project of the month. This month the Hungarian team will be highlighted for obvious reasons, and in September the Italian community is scheduled. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-08-12 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

 

== 2010-07-22 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100722]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| ''none'' 
| Questions-and-Answers 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*30 min Public Questions-and-Answers Session has been done, see [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20100722#Public_Questions-and-Answers_Session meeting minutes] 

|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-01|Minutes#2010-07-01]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Juergen 
| 2010-07-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-22 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-22
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Finalized. Andreas Bartel has been elected. Congratulations :-) 
*Next steps: None 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-07-22 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

== 2010-07-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100701]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-06-10|Minutes#2010-06-10]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin -> Jüergen 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 
*transferred to Jürgen

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Finalized 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Jürgen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Jürgen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*proposed to work on in Budapest. All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to officially step in. 
*finalized, Jürgen Schmidt is the new coordinator

|}

 

== 2010-06-10 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100610]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship 
| Finalized 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Original topic: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC. We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program had been worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members were asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23. Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor joined the discussion to work on a proposal.
*The OpenOffice.org Internship Programme has been officially announced on several channels, e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=418 a mail on the announce-list].
*Result: In the CC meeting it has been decided to mark this item "finalized".

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-08 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-07#1
| Do not promote proprietary software through the OpenOffice.org extensions library
| Rejected
|   (none)
| 2010-05-20
|
*Source: User "Juca" added this item 2010-05-07.
*OpenOffice.org is free software, but some of the extensions it offers to the users are proprietary. OpenOffice.org extensions library should not promote proprietary extensions. 
*Result: The Council already discussed this issue due to a request by the FSF. The reply can be found [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=417 here].

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to step in. 

|}

== 2010-05-20 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100520]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-04-29 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100429]]

=== Minutes ===

Note: Council members didn't update their actions items appropriately. If you have doubts, please have a look at the IRC Log (above).

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-15|Minutes#2010-04-15]] 
*Result: Minutes have been approved.

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Finalized 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Voting phase has been finished. Two of the three candidates have been confirmed. Final result is available here: [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]]. 
**Follow-up action item 2010-04-23#1 to decide how to deal with the unconfirmed "Product Development Representative". 
**According to meeting 2010-04-01: Christoph will update the Election Process bylaw once the current election is over. The change will describe the exclusive use of dedicated tooling for the voting, e.g. LimeSurvey. The version of the bylaw will be changed from 1.0 to 1.1. 
*Result 2010-04-29: Item has been finalized.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
|   Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Initial situation: In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. How to proceed?
*Proposal: Re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Result: All agreed to proposal.
*Next steps:
**Christoph will create a new wiki page for the elections 2010-05.
**Elections itself will be started as soon as possible.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
| Missing OOo desktop presence
| New 
|   ??? 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community.
**Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
*Next steps: Christoph will forward the request to council-discuss. 

|-
| 2010-04-29#3
| CC Meetings Calendar
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Two months ago, the CC decided to meet each 2 weeks instead of 3 for a "test period". Now there is a need to decide how to continue and to update the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar CC meeting calender] page.
*Result: We proceed with the 3 weeks schedule for the next meetings.
*Next steps: [[Community Council/Calendar|CC meeting calender]] has been updated. 

|}

== 2010-04-15 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100415]]

=== Minutes ===

To be done (hopefully). In the meantime, you may refer to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Agenda&oldid=162224 Agenda and Work status page (2010-04-01)].

== 2010-04-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100401]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-03-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100318]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*No meeting minutes available for 2010-03-04 
*Instead, all agreed on the minutes log [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Accepted 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Mail for nominations have been done; several nominations received. 
*Next phase, introduction of the nominees, will be started.
*Overall status can be tracked at [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]].
*Next steps: Christoph will announce the next phase "introduction". 

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*All CC members are asked to comment the proposal on the CC mailing list.
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Reminder to keep an eye how to provide consistency for the different pieces. Will be discussed with Clayton. 
*Next steps: Ongoing discussion on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles is asked to provide updates on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#8 
| New template for CC meetings 
| Finalized 
| Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Current proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. 
*Everyone (except Leif, deputy of Charles) voted to use it from now on. Charles may add comments in the next few days, if required.
*Next steps: Christoph will update the minutes according the new template. Accepted proposal will be moved to a more "official" wiki page. Announcement to be made on the CC mailing list.

|-
| 2010-03-04#9 
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias 
| Finalized 
| John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in last meeting.
*Next steps: none

|-
| 2010-03-04#10 
| Confirm/discuss [[Community Council/Calendar|proposed dates]] for future council meetings 
| Finalized 
| All 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in some of the previous meetings.
*Reminder: Request confirmation for future dates (e.g. end of April 2010)
*Next steps: none 

|-
| 2010-03-04#11 
| Trademark 
| Rejected 
| Stefan 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No updates; will be rejected for now. 
*Next steps: Stefan will re-open this item when a revised policy is available.

|}

== 2010-03-04 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

=== Minutes ===

Minutes and action items are not available.

=== Agenda Items ===

Since no meeting minutes are available, the original agenda will be used instead.

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Due Date
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| All 
| 
| See [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-02-18|Community_Council/Minutes#2010-02-18]]. 
|-
| 1 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| 
|
2010-03-03: Louis sent the mail for nomination on 2010-02-27. The nomination phase will end 2010-03-15 15 at 24:00 UTC. 

Next Steps: ???

|-
| 2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| 
|-
| 3 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| 
|-
| 4
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*back to rework on a new proposal how to move forward
*Based on a further talk with Clayton Juergen has sent out a new idea of a bounty program on the discuss@council.openoffice.org mailing list. The main idea of it is to define many smaller and more fine grained projects and make them publicly available. Each projects will be honored with a appropriate amount of money depending on the project. For more details see the email. 

|-
| 5
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 8
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. It has been refined to make working with it easier and more efficient. Basically, it is now a continuous table which can be sorted according to several status labels. Originally, I proposed to use different sections to markup the status of action items. Additionally, the proposal to move the "record date" to the action item ID has been incorporated. Please review the proposal - or even better - accept it :-) 

Next Steps:

*If accepted, then the current agenda wiki page will be transformed to respect the proposed format. Additionally, the content of the "Proposed Improvements" page will be moved to a more "official" place.
*If rejected, then ...nothing.
*JSC: +1

|-
| 9
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
Next Step: John will work on that until the next meeting. 

|-
| 10
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| 2010-03-04 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Next Steps: None planned. 

|-
| 11 
| Trademark
| Stefan 
| 
|
Next Step: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

== 2010-02-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

List of attendees and IRC log can be found here: [[Community Council Log 20100218]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Status
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| - 
| Approved 
| 
|-
| 1 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| Louis
| Done
|
List of events interesting for OpenOffice.org available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Events#Year_2010 Events, Year 2010]. From now on, it needs to be completed by MarCon.

|-
| 2 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| In progress 
|
Louis is currently preparing the initial email "New election for Community Council". A second draft is already available and feedback has already been provided. 

Next Steps: 

*Louis is asked to send the initial email - if its ready. 
*Christoph will have a look at the election process and (support to) trigger the next steps. 

|-
| 3 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 4 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 5
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| In progress
|
Clayton has send a first draft to council-discuss ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2454 Draft of the Community Council proposal to hire a Tech Writer]), we need some confirmation how to proceed keeping the proposed quote in mind. 

Discussion: 

*The costs are estimated to be roughly 40 K USD. It has been agreed that this seems to be a realistic estimation and maintainability is a very important question. 
*These costs do not fit in any currently planned budget. Some proposals were made how this work might be split / separated to get more manageable pieces (in terms of budget). But it has also been raised that it might only make sense if it is worked on the full documentation. 
*It has been agreed that - before any further decision can be made - all people should have a closer look at Clayton's proposal. 

Next Steps: 

*All CC members will have a closer look at the proposal (link above). (Added by Christoph: Everybody is free to provide proposals how to proceed.) 
*A funding proposal request has to be worked out for the the next meeting. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| In progress 
|
John has sent a mail to the Google representative Leslie Hawthorn a couple of days ago. We are waiting for an answer.

Discussion: It has been raised that the applications for "would-be mentoring applications" is open from 2010-03-08 to 2010-03-12 ([http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f source]). 

Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| In progress 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 8
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| In progress 
|
Announcement has been made on the NLC list. One "volunteer" project found for the first month month, the Irish Gaelic project. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*John did also inform the responsible for the OpenOffice.org Newsletter (Kay Koll) to use some information from the Community Council minutes. 
*The question was raised how to support Kay to ensure valid information. Sophie stated that usually the newsletter draft is reviewed. 

Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 9
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| John
| Done 
|
Request has been discussed with the Hungarian OOoCon team and with MarCon. The proposal that the MP should set up a 'permanent' arrangement for video for all OOoCons may need finance - probably next year's budget though. The Marketing Project is still discussing if this is a better approach. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*Short discussion of whether the location of the OOoCons should be fixed or not. A comparison has been made to FOSDEM. 
*The action item will be closed, because the Marketing Project is aware of this issue. 

|-
| 10
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| Louis
| Done 
| Louis sent the mail and the FSF (Peter Brown) already replied. 
|-
| 11
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
Some of the proposals from the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg have been summarized. Work on a draft has been started. It is available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements]. 

Discussion: 

*Cor estimated this work to be close-to-final. 
*A discussion on how to name the Action Items. The basic requirement is to identify the "age" of the items. Several proposals have been made. 

Next Steps: 

*Everybody will have a look at the draft and provide feedback (if required). 
*Christoph will finalize the proposal and present it in the next meeting to officially accept or reject it. 

|-
| 12
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
No update. John will work on that until the next meeting. 

Remark: The budget has already been accepted in the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg.

|-
| 13
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
A first proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Discussion:

*According to Stefan the need for information might be higher during the next months.
*It has been proposed to change the schedule so that the Community Council meetings will be held each two weeks. This applies to the meetings in the next two months to check if this is applicable.
*Some people expressed the demand to reduce the meeting time to about one hour.

Next Step: Christoph will re-work the proposed dates and inform the Community Council members. 

|-
| 
| Update of the OpenOffice.org logo and the branding initiative
| -
| 
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion:

*Two proposals have been presented to the branding working group.
*A due date has been proposed to finalize the effort.

|-
| 
| Trademark
| -
| 
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

 

== 2010-02-04/05 (F2F Meeting in Hamburg) ==

=== Attendees ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Name
! Initials (not the OOo user name)
|-
| Martin Hollmichel
| MHo
|-
| Matthias Huetsch
| MHu
|-
| Cor Nouws
| CNou
|-
| Christoph Noack
| CN
|-
| Louis Suarez-Potts
| LS-P
|-
| Charles-H. Schulz
| C-HS
|-
| John McCreesh
| JPMcC
|-
| Stefan Taxhet
| ST
|-
| Jürgen Schmidt
| JS
|}

=== Minutes ===

==== Status Updates from CC Sponsored Activities ====

'''Trademark Policy'''

ST reported that the draft trademark policy was being reviewed by Sun Legal, but no major changes were expected.

'''Developing developers'''

''The CC welcomed Clayton Cornell for this item'' 

The CC discussed three areas where documentation could be improved: 

*how-to get into core development (technical) 
*how-to engage in the community development process (people) 
*how-to get into extension development (technical) 

There was a discussion on the merits of traditional paper-based documentation versus webinars etc for each of these. 

The CC agreed to focus on extensions, possibly based on Per’s current work with Kai on a gallery extension. Clayton was actioned to come back with a budgetary estimate for the work.

The CC agreed to talk to Google to see whether the Oracle takeover meant that OOo would be accepted this year for the Summer of Code exercise. If not, the CC should press on with its own internship exercise.

'''Pootle Infrastructure'''

''The CC welcomed Rafaella Braconi for this item''

*A new Pootle sys admin was now in place and was actively managing the system
*Some background scripts had been removed. Feedback from the engineers was that performance of Pootle was not hardware constrained.
*the latest version of Pootle would be installed as soon as OOo 3.2 was released

Overall the position had stabilised. Engagement with the Pootle developers was good. We should look to get feedback from the community again in Q2 after the software upgrade. The CC would be willing to help the Pootle team carry out developments to meet OOo requirements if required.

'''Download Infrastructure Migration (MirrorBrain)'''

JPMcC reported that the Marketing Project download reporting system was now being fed from both Bouncer and MirrorBrain, and 3.2 would be released via MirrorBrain. He thanked the MirrorBrain team for their help in meeting OOo’s requirements.

'''Site Infrastructure Migration (Kenai)'''

ST reported on the project to migrate OOo from Collabnet to Kenai. Kenai is based on open source technologies such as Zoomla, Bugzilla, and Rails, but will be managed as a service by a team within Oracle. The OOo Project Leads and Web Project are now actively engaged on the migration which is planned to have three phases:

*fit-gap analysis of Kenai features vs OOo requirements (underway)
*any resulting OOo ‘must have’ features implemented in Kenai
*data migration scripts developed and proven (underway - Collabnet data dump received)

Migration must be complete by end of June. ST believed this was ambitious but achievable, as a pilot project (netbeans.org) had already migrated successfully. There would still be a requirement for a ‘*.services.oo.o’ for OOo-specific requirements.

Link: [http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home]

==== Agenda Items ====

The additional agenda can be found [[Community Council/Agenda/Face2Face|here]].

'''Oracle / Sun'''

The CC noted the contents of the recent webcasts by Oracle, and that the formal Legal Entity Consolidation of Oracle and Sun Microsystems was due this month. The CC had always valued the relationship with Sun, and looked forward to a similarly fruitful relationship with Oracle. The CC extended their best wishes to the formerly Sun-sponsored community contributors in their new home as a global business unit within Oracle Corporation. The CC had no comment to make on Oracle’s announcement of a commercial ‘Cloud Office’ product other than to state new entrants are always welcome to the ODF ecosystem.

'''Education Project'''

Following on from the ''Developing developers'' initiative and the work with Seneca, the CC debated where these activities should be best placed with OOo. The Education Project would seem an obvious home, but the project had recently undertaken a number of initiatives which were already taking it in several different directions. The CC agreed to talk to the project leads about the structure and remit of the project, to give greater focus and avoid conflicts with other projects.

'''Branding'''

''The CC welcomed Rosana Ardila Biela for this item''

RAB gave a presentation on the work to refresh and relaunch the visual identity of OOo, as part of a branding initiative within the Marketing Project. She presented a revamped OOo logo which was still work in progress within the working party. The CC warmly welcomed the activity, and encouraged the team to reach consensus on a new logo. If the team was unable to do so, then they should present options to the CC for another decision / route - however, it was far better for the experts in the team to decide, rather than the amateurs on the CC!

'''Native Language Community development'''

The CC discussed ways of encouraging NLC development.

*Requests for financial support for Regional Conferences would be considered on a case by case basis. Funding would be start-up only, as conferences are expected to be self-financing. The CC recommends that OOo teams should be encouraged to join forces with other open-source projects to share the costs and efforts involved in running conferences.
*NLCs should be encouraged to volunteer for a ‘Native Language Community of the Month’ spotlight in the OOo Newsletter - C-HS to organise.
*The CC discussed direct funding of new localisations e.g. at the request of a government. Past experience suggested these did not lead to sustainable versions. The success of the NLC within OOo was based round a team of activists providing a complete package of localisation, QA, training, support, etc.

'''‘Greening’ OpenOffice.org'''

The CC discussed ways of minimising OOo’s carbon footprint. OOo’s infrastructure is mostly donated by third parties, which means the CC cannot make direct decisions about e.g. using only renewable electricity in datacentres. The CC agreed that OOoCon should be made more accessible for remote attendees as a priority, e.g. improved web streaming, dial-in access to sessions, mandatory advance submission of papers, etc. Support of remote attendees should be made a key deciding factor in awarding the 2011 OOoCon. The Marketing Project was also asked to consider options - e.g. should the MP be responsible for a web capability centrally every year rather than rely on local teams?

'''Extensions Repository'''

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has notified the CC that the OOo Extensions Repository does not conform to FSF principles, as it hosts ‘non-free’ software. As a result, any software distributions wishing to conform to FSF standards should not make use of the OOo Repository. The CC agreed that licence information could be improved on the Repository, as this is an important factor people should consider when choosing extensions. The FSF would be welcomed to help in providing this sorting / filtering mechanism. However, the CC would not support a forking or partitioning of the Repository to exclude ‘non-free’ extensions. OOo respects the right of its users to make their own informed choice of software, and believes this is best achieved by a single Repository offering a full selection of extensions.

'''Community Council Effectiveness'''

CC members used the opportunity of this face to face meeting to brainstorm high and low points of 2009, and consider community goals for 2010/2011. An offline presentation by CN highlighted the lack of a consistent trail from the overall OOo mission statement down to project or release goals.

The CC discussed issues with its current processes:

*CC members over-committing to Action Items, which they then fail to deliver
*the quality of the minutes, which makes it hard for community members to understand what the CC is doing
*the amount of time taken up on IRC presenting status reports, which could be more efficiently done in advance

The CC also needs to improve its communication with the Community. The CC agreed to experiment with starting meetings with a public session. The Minutes should be prepared in a form that anyone can understand without having to work through IRC logs. It should also be possible to copy and paste from the Minutes into the monthly OOo Newsletter to give a ‘This Month in the Community Council’ article.

CN (the current facilitator) agreed to work on a new meeting template including these improvements. JPMcC agreed to write up the minutes for this meeting.

'''2010 Budget'''

MHe reported that the current level of monthly donations was sufficient to support the proposed budget. The majority of these donations came from small contributions via PayPal. The CC agreed to adopt the draft budget for 2010 but review it quarterly to see if the allocation between different headings should be amended. MHe agreed to publish a summary of ‘actual vs budget’ quarterly on the wiki. JPMcC agreed to refresh the budget wiki pages for 2010. All projects should be encouraged to put forward proposals for using all the available funding.

==== Action Items ====

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action
! Who
! When
! Status
|-
| 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| LS-P
| 
| ongoing
|-
| 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| LS-P
| 
| transferred to CN with help from JMcC
|-
| 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.1
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| JS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.2
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.3
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| CNou
| 
| 
|-
| 402.4
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| C-HS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.5
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.6
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.7
| New template for CC meetings
| CN
| 
| 
|-
| 402.8
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from MHe
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|}

 

== 2010-01-21 ==

=== IRC log ===

*[[Community Council Log 20100121]]

=== AIs ===

#Budget '''Louis: prepare a wiki page with events'''.
#Trademark Policy ''ST to take back to trademark list''
#Elections: first cycle is finished. Next steps:
##''Jürgen: Update council webpage'': (done)
##''Louis: Notification to broader community about results'' (done)
##'''Louis: Initiate phase 2 of the new election for Martin, Pavel, John.''': put on hold until after holidays, viz., post 6 jan
##'''Louis: advertise public part at #ooocouncilpub in the beginning before next council meeting''': Louis suggest we do it for next meeting.
#OpenOffice.org Internship
##'''Martin to put together a proposal for hiring a technical writer to document getting started on OOo development.''': open
##'''AI: "Winter of Code"; Cor to own and cry for help if required.'''; list to be used is mentoring @ ooo: open
#Distribution infrastructure (Bouncer); '''John''': We are on target to use mirrorbrain for 3.2; Louis proposed '''AI: that the CC publicly thanks the volunteer mirrors on the release of 3.2 for 9 plus years of heroic work including and esp. osuosl.'''
#l10n infrastructure (Pootle): ''ST: Pootle version upgrade imminent beginnig 2010''; ''AI: Owner?: find better tool that is a closer fit, if necessary''; '''Cor is going to contact Andre.'''
#Procedures for retirement of a project in Incubator and NLC. '''Louis: deliver final wording after the discussion that was on the mail list - carry forward'''; see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2101] to be inforporated in http://native-lang.openoffice.org/#terminus and http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html
#Proposal for handling incubator and NLC projects. '''Louis: come with clear proposal, so we can put it on the agenda for a future meeting - carry forward'''
#Budget 2010: ''AI: all budget holders to submit their requests for a share of this 100k''. See proposal from Matthias [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2324]; '''Vote on Matthias' Proposal pending'''
#Council coordinator: '''choosing ST's successor''' (for the period from February 2010 - May 2010). (done)
#'''Juergen: Prepare Agenda for F2F Meeting in Hamburg, February 4/5;'''
#Ja added: How to handle impolite remarks in IssueTracker issues ? See issue 107456. Corresponding user ignores changes made to the issue he wrote. (done)

== Archived Meeting Minutes ==

The following pages archive the old meeting minutes of the Community Council:

*[[Community Council/Minutes 2009|Minutes 2009]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2008|Minutes 2008]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2007|Minutes 2007]]

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council Log 20101014

2010-10-14T20:34:19Z

ChristophNoack: Forgot to mark up URL correctly /* IRC Log 2010-10-14 */

{{Community_Council}}
== IRC Log 2010-10-14 ==

*Supposed start time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18:30 UTC]
*Location: IRC

== Council Members ==

=== Community Council Attendees ===

*Andreas Bartel (Andreas_UX)
*Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
*Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
*Eike Rathke (erAck)
*Juergen Schmidt (jsc)
*Louis Suárez-Potts (louis_to)
*Matthias Huetsch (mhu)
*Martin Hollmichel (_Nesshof_, deputy of Stefan Taxhet) 
*Olivier Hallot (ohallot)

=== Absent ===

*Charles-H. Schulz

== Meet the Community Council Session ==

(20:41:13) _Nesshof_: MechtiIde: any question or comments from you right now ? 
(20:41:18) erAck: We have MechtiIde and paveljanik here, do you have questions? 
(20:41:28) ***mhu thinks, the "public" is supposed to ask questions, that we are supposed to answer 

(20:42:36) paveljanik: -back 
(20:42:41) paveljanik: Hi erAck 
(20:42:50) ***erAck notes we missed to announce the public session in advance. 
(20:43:01) paveljanik: MechtiIde: you can start asking :-) 
(20:44:01) MechtiIde: I'm more interested which other public person are interested on the Community Council of OpenOffice.org 

(20:44:26) paveljanik: MechtiIde: me :-) 
(20:45:00) MechtiIde: I'm thinking how doing the next Germanophone RElease of OpenOffice.org 
(20:45:07) MechtiIde: as I did it in the past 
(20:45:31) MechtiIde: paveljanik, you are not a desputy? 
(20:45:44) paveljanik: I'm only interested in how OOoCouncil will solve the conflicts of interest of some members of it. Nothing else. 

(20:45:46) paveljanik: MechtiIde: no. 
(20:46:00) ***paveljanik is not despota nor deputy ;-) 
(20:46:04) louis_to: MechtiIde: there are quite a few interested in the CC 
(20:46:14) louis_to: and in joining it, many from the NLC 
(20:46:23) erAck: MechtiIde: is the DE release at risk? 

(20:47:16) MechtiIde: erAck, at this time *I* don't know how many people will do the release tests on the diffenrent plattforms 
(20:47:58) mhu: paveljanik: not sure you will see a resolution now, as we have this discussion prior to our regular meeting 
(20:48:03) MechtiIde: And I have not the time to do it all myself in the quality we did beore 
(20:48:14) MechtiIde: before 
(20:48:18) paveljanik: mhu: ah. Hmm. 

(20:48:48) MechtiIde: mhu, will there be a Chatlog after the meeting? 
(20:49:28) mhu: I am sure someone will publish the usual minutes of the meeting, so, yes I think so 
(20:49:36) paveljanik: I (maybe I'm naive) expect that people with "conflict of interest" will automatically step down. 
(20:50:03) paveljanik: this is what 1/2 of "public" wants :-) 

(20:50:34) erAck: MechtiIde: I suggest to do the release / QA work as usual and see how it goes on. 
(20:51:10) paveljanik: MechtiIde: how many people did you "lost"? 
(20:51:23) MechtiIde: paveljanik, I don't know 
(20:51:34) mhu: paveljanik: if nobody else does, I will take your comment to the meeting right after this 

(20:51:45) paveljanik: MechtiIde: then I think you just have to go as usually 
(20:52:04) ***_Nesshof_ agrees 
(20:52:14) paveljanik: mhu: thanks 
(20:52:17) CorNouws: paveljanik: what do you define as "conflict of interest" ? 

(20:52:24) MechtiIde: paveljanik, I myself have only a smal timeframe because I have a new job 
(20:52:38) MechtiIde: small 
(20:52:46) paveljanik: CorNouws: read your national law and use your brain to accomodate. 
(20:53:08) paveljanik: MechtiIde: I understand 
(20:53:36) CorNouws: If I use my brain, that will lead to what I see and c-o-i 

(20:55:02) paveljanik: OK, I have no other questions now. 
(20:55:43) mhu: paveljanik: but are you satified with the (non-)answer? 
(20:55:58) paveljanik: mhu: (!)yes. 
(20:56:00) paveljanik: ;-) 
(20:56:52) ***mhu needs some help to understand paveljanik s humor here 

(20:57:34) paveljanik: I'll read meeting minutes and maybe there will be an answer or some "good grace" will shine from the minutes. 
(20:57:43) CorNouws: mhu: read all his comments during the cc logs of the last years when pavel was cc member 
(20:59:07) ***mhu seems not able to think around corners today, but sorry I don't understand these vague hints 
(20:59:40) paveljanik: mhu: ! means negation (as you used the same syntax in your sentence). 

(20:59:43) _Nesshof_: are we ready to finish the public session now 
(21:00:04) paveljanik: I just want to say one more sentence. 
(21:00:12) mhu: paveljanik: ah that explains it, my C/C++ parser still works 
(21:00:24) Andreas_UX: but it's buggy ;-) 
(21:00:47) CorNouws: ;-) 

(21:00:47) erAck: paveljanik: go ahead. 
(21:01:45) paveljanik: In my normal life, the "good grace" and "gentlemanship" force people to step down when they work for the other companies, lawyers can't work for both sides etc. This is normal and I expect the same from people with COI in our OOoCouncil. 
(21:02:02) paveljanik: nothing else. 

(21:02:05) paveljanik: Thanks. 
(21:02:12) Andreas_UX: thank you! 
(21:02:23) CorNouws: paveljanik: thanks, this is more clear 
(21:02:27) erAck: paveljanik: ok, we heard you. 
(21:02:28) christoph_n: yep, thanks 

(21:02:33) mhu: that fits precisely to our first agenda item 
(21:02:38) louis_to: indeed 
(21:02:50) louis_to: shall we move to the formal and more private meeting then? 
(21:03:02) mhu: yes, please 
(21:03:03) Andreas_UX: yes please 

(21:03:09) erAck: +1 
(21:03:11) paveljanik: please sen the meeting minutes to me in CC: 
(21:03:13) paveljanik: Thanks 
(21:03:19) ohallot: +1 

(21:03:23) louis_to: then let's go there, and accept MechtiIde's points and also paveljanik's 
(21:03:33) Andreas_UX: ok 
(21:03:45) Andreas_UX: see you on the other side 
(21:03:46) louis_to: the public element is now closed; thanks 

== Community Council Session ==

(21:00:21) _Nesshof_: ok, pavel left, so are we ready to start the regular meeting ? 

(21:04:15) ***christoph_n is ready 
(21:04:33) Andreas_UX: dito 
(21:04:52) ***mhu too 
(21:05:03) louis_to: once again, the agenda is: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda</a> 

(21:05:30) louis_to: and as was mentioned, the first item is the one regarding the future of the CC, "where we stand," posted earlier today to the wiki agenda 
(21:05:40) CorNouws: moment pls, will be back in a minute (kitchen calls me) 
(21:05:53) louis_to: and effectively summarized by paveljanik as, resolving conflict of interest, or COI 
(21:06:04) ***louis_to waits a minute 

(21:06:28) erAck: For the protocol, let's first do 0 - "List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval", that should be a quick one. 
(21:06:44) louis_to: erAck: agreed 
(21:06:49) louis_to: let us wait a minute, however 
(21:06:53) louis_to: for CorNouws to return 

(21:08:44) ***mhu thinks, that minute is more than over now 
(21:09:20) CorNouws: sorry - reading about bears and other drinks made me thirsty 
(21:09:30) CorNouws: have some tea now ;-) 
(21:09:43) Andreas_UX: i would prefer beers over bears ;-) 
(21:10:04) christoph_n: Both can make you thirsty, I'm sure :-) 

(21:10:04) louis_to: here in canada the two combine :-) 
(21:10:06) CorNouws: ah, my fingers ehh key board again. thans for helping 
(21:10:24) louis_to: do we agree on the minutes for the prior meeting? 
(21:10:31) mhu: yes 
(21:10:41) Andreas_UX: yes 

(21:11:08) louis_to: +1 
(21:11:11) CorNouws: OK 
(21:11:13) christoph_n: +1 
(21:11:16) _Nesshof_: +1 
(21:11:27) ***erAck abstains as he didn't attend. 

(21:11:41) ohallot: ok 
(21:11:57) jsc [~jsc@192.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] hat den Raum betreten. 
(21:12:06) louis_to: hello, juergen 
(21:12:09) christoph_n: Hi Juergen! 

(21:12:14) erAck: hi! 
(21:12:18) Andreas_UX: hi! 
(21:12:27) ohallot: Hi Juergen 
(21:12:47) louis_to: minutes from prior meeting approved; notes that jsc has joined, leaving charles absent and stefan taxhet too, deputied by nesshoff 
(21:13:14) jsc: Hi, sorry for being late, but I had to finished dinner first. 

(21:13:15) louis_to: I move that we go on to item 00 
(21:13:26) mhu: yes 
(21:13:36) Andreas_UX: yes 
(21:13:38) erAck: yes 
(21:14:04) louis_to: I think that Pavel in the public part of this meeting hit it on the head 

(21:14:15) mhu: (21:01:45) paveljanik: In my normal life, the "good grace" and "gentlemanship" force people to step down when they work for the other companies, lawyers can't work for both sides etc. This is normal and I expect the same from people with COI in our OOoCouncil. 
(21:14:20) louis_to: when he described the problem being one of conflict of interest 
(21:14:26) louis_to: thanks, mhu 

(21:14:42) ***mhu promised that to pavel 
(21:14:57) CorNouws: so ... 
(21:15:00) CorNouws: I do realise that we are in a special situation, and that we need to talk about it. Therefore I did add it to the agenda, isn't it.. 
(21:15:32) CorNouws: But for me, there is no real conflict of interest at the moment. 
(21:15:32) CorNouws: All the public outings (writings) from my side, are respectfull, with nuance, and hope for a better future then the years we can look back at. 

(21:15:59) CorNouws: And I also see TDF in that light. 
(21:16:25) louis_to: if I can clarify 
(21:16:28) CorNouws: If all non-corporate members of the council together with big names from the past say that it is time that the community makes a different move, it is not the first logic step to leave that community, IMO 
(21:16:29) louis_to: the issue is not your motives 
(21:16:37) mhu: for me it is as simple as it was for pavel: you can't eat the cake and have it too, both at the same time 

(21:17:16) CorNouws: Well, of course it was my great pleasure to try to explain ... 
(21:17:25) louis_to: thank you 
(21:17:30) CorNouws: and I have some more thoughts 
(21:17:54) mhu: sorry for interrupting that was not my intent, go on, please 
(21:17:56) louis_to: are they relevant to the matter at hand? 

(21:18:49) CorNouws: louis_to: grmphh 
(21:18:59) _Nesshof_: please let CorNouws speak for while 
(21:20:07) _Nesshof_: s//a 
(21:20:13) CorNouws: yes, it might not be that much words extra, but it's myabe not that what counts 
(21:20:29) ***louis_to was teasing CorNouws 

(21:21:49) jsc: In the end it's quite simple, people choose to fork the project and claim they were the community... 
(21:21:50) CorNouws: we still have to find out how things really work out with roles and takst from different people, because it would surprise me if all individuals always are the same with work, feelings and attiture 
(21:22:15) CorNouws: s/taskt/taks 
(21:22:31) CorNouws: s/taskt/takst ;-) 
(21:22:41) ***CorNouws en fin you get it 

(21:22:55) christoph_n: Thanks Cor! 
(21:23:06) CorNouws: And still AFAIK we have to do some fouther talking on a different level. 
(21:23:23) CorNouws: but that obviously is something we will not have here 
(21:23:46) Andreas_UX: what do you mean Cor? 
(21:23:48) mhu: CorNouws: talk about what? 

(21:24:02) jsc: ... but there are more people that belongs to the community 
(21:24:46) ***jsc is slow because is typing on his iPhone 
(21:25:54) Andreas_UX: that is also my impression since there are always some discussions on the lists which reflect that some are more or less surprised, confused etc 
(21:26:07) Andreas_UX: some memebers 
(21:26:32) CorNouws: Andreas_UX: take care, my typing errors are viral ;-) 

(21:26:40) Andreas_UX: which sounds reasonable since things changed rapidly 
(21:26:49) Andreas_UX: Core: indeed they are 
(21:27:18) mhu: ohallot, CorNouws, christoph_n: could you shortly explain, in continuation of pavels question, how you think that you can be both on the governing body of a forked and competing project, and on this governing body, please? 
(21:27:37) CorNouws: Andreas_UX: I am not surprised that community members are surprised too 
(21:28:01) CorNouws: mhu: simple: I do not see it as competing. more as extending 

(21:28:09) mhu: haha 
(21:28:10) CorNouws: wrong word, need my dictionary 
(21:28:19) CorNouws: what haha 
(21:28:21) CorNouws: ? 
(21:28:23) ohallot: do we have competition? 

(21:28:32) christoph_n: Good question... I think not, or? 
(21:28:54) erAck: The conflict most see is that LO is a different product with different interests, regardless of personal motives or attitude of those involved. TDF says they want to bring OOo "further to the future", but so far they only forked. Code-wise and infrastructure-wise. 
(21:28:54) ohallot: because if we have not, then there is no COI 
(21:29:00) CorNouws: maybe additional is better than extending 

(21:29:05) jsc: In the end it's the same as with go-oo, I respect people but I see the conflict of interest 
(21:29:09) mhu: you're not competing? can have that on paper writing? 
(21:29:13) Andreas_UX: are you serious? we have competition or we will have soon at conferences, with customers, with community newbies etc 
(21:29:47) CorNouws: erAck: yep, but that was not out of main will, but just to asure that we have a ground to start the foundation 
(21:29:59) CorNouws: see the invitation - however you call it - to Oracle 

(21:30:09) mhu: haha 
(21:30:10) ohallot: TDF is not asking for competion, we invited you to join 
(21:30:15) Andreas_UX: please don't start that again 
(21:30:25) erAck: CorNouws: you could had have a foundation without a competing product. 
(21:30:36) CorNouws: yes, why not? 

(21:31:01) CorNouws: or am I naive (still) ? 
(21:31:13) CorNouws: or just idealistic, still 
(21:31:15) Andreas_UX: good question Cor ;-) 
(21:31:28) jsc: Well the TDF choose the fork 
(21:31:48) CorNouws: and for me, ideasls do not stop at the door or any company, maybe that is a problem ;-) 

(21:32:17) Andreas_UX: the point is that an amount X of the community have chosen to go a different path, not judging, the rest remains unchanged 
(21:32:55) CorNouws: so therefore we need to find out where there realy is a conflict of interest 
(21:32:58) Andreas_UX: the different path is reflected in marketing, code, contribution rules, etc 
(21:33:14) CorNouws: why or where I should not ne able to help in the OOo community any more 
(21:33:54) CorNouws: s/ne/be 

(21:33:59) Andreas_UX: ... you guys even have an own agenda for conferences now. what will you promote there? 
(21:34:12) Andreas_UX: OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice? 
(21:34:15) mhu: you can not eat the cake (go away and set up a competing project) and keep it to (try to govern the project that you were just leaving) 
(21:34:29) CorNouws: working on a product in our mutual "office-cloud" (R) 

(21:34:52) louis_to: CorNouws: you are entitled to work with the OOo community but your role in the CC can cause confusion, as it is a representative role 
(21:35:07) erAck: CorNouws: not helping OOo is not the point. The COI is having a seat both in TDF and in the OOoCC. 
(21:35:22) louis_to: The point is to reduce, as much as possible, confusion and conflict of apparent intention 
(21:35:45) Andreas_UX: please could someone else say something? christoph what do you think? 
(21:35:57) CorNouws: I am member of different political parties here, that for me serve different goals 

(21:36:06) christoph_n: First, I second Cor's points ... 
(21:36:10) Andreas_UX: that's weird :-) 
(21:36:21) Andreas_UX: not christoph ment 
(21:36:31) ***mhu had already asked that question to all three, and have received no (acceptable) answer 
(21:36:35) jsc: Maybe people should have this question before they decide to fork... 

(21:36:53) louis_to: the point is not your personal motives. 
(21:36:57) christoph_n: ... to me, there is not that much difference concerning the community we provide guidance to. 
(21:37:12) louis_to: the point is apparent and evident motives and identity 
(21:37:22) louis_to: you now represent TDF and LibreOffice 
(21:37:30) louis_to: these are distinct from OpenOffice.org 

(21:37:32) jsc: ... asked ... 
(21:37:46) ***CorNouws great, first time we have a real discussion here. Would have loved to see that happen when we talked - or tried to - about a foundation in the past :-\ 
(21:37:47) louis_to: for you to represeent OOo in the CC is therefore quite confusing 
(21:38:25) _Nesshof_: member of diffenent parties: tss, tss, never saw a political party, which allows that 
(21:38:44) ohallot: Our presence in OOC is a good opportunity to keep door open to both projects. 

(21:38:53) CorNouws: that is nothing confusing compared to the things we all have to find out the nextt months 
(21:38:54) jsc: sorry guys, but sounds indeed a little bit naive 
(21:39:47) _Nesshof_: CorNouws: I'm fine with that, but during those months you should not serve both parties 
(21:40:39) CorNouws: I am trying to serve our "office-cloud" ... but I understand whay you want to say 

(21:40:40) _Nesshof_: I'm looking forward to the results of that experiment, but please don't try to serve both parties at the same time 
(21:41:02) Andreas_UX: hey guys, are you just being bulish? Honestly! 
(21:41:15) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: I think not :-) 
(21:41:33) ***erAck is puzzled how "fraktionsuebergreifender Ausschuss" would translate to English 

(21:41:43) Andreas_UX: I see what you might be up to but that seems to be so much beyond realism 
(21:41:49) mhu: there's nothing funny, actually 
(21:41:50) erAck hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Quit: Lost terminal). 
(21:42:00) CorNouws: _Nesshof_: I agree that it is not an easy situation 
(21:42:54) CorNouws: and will take care of your advice 

(21:42:57) christoph_n: _Nesshof_: Thinking about the whole community, what do you think would be the best way to deal with that? 
(21:43:01) erAck [~er@nat/sun/x-oefqfydztdkludml] hat den Raum betreten. 
(21:43:15) CorNouws: erAck: was looking for his dictionary ? 
(21:43:20) _Nesshof_: erAck: ausschusse sind immer fraktionsuebergreifend 

(21:43:53) Andreas_UX: be consequent! take your chances with LibreOffice and see how things work out. But please be more realistic. 
(21:43:53) ***erAck hates UIs closing windows when selecting the wrong context menu entry 
(21:44:19) christoph_n: erAck: And there is still *_UX around ;-) 
(21:44:22) Andreas_UX: that is what you guys wanted, right? or the part of the community you say you represent. 
(21:44:45) jsc: Christoph_n: not all people have really understand the current situation 

(21:45:17) ohallot: well, you see, the reality is that i only see CorNows, christoph_n and ohallot as the community memebers and all other are now Oracle employees so I take it as Oracle wants us to get out 
(21:45:35) _Nesshof_: christoph_n: for answering this I'd need to know the real agenda for this experiment 
(21:46:05) christoph_n: ohallot: I don't know ... we should try to better explain our aims. 
(21:46:13) _Nesshof_: ohallot: who took the first step ? 
(21:46:22) mhu: ohallot: you have chosen to leave, so we wish you good luck, but please leave; and that has nothing to do with Oracle; that is my personal opinion 

(21:46:34) jsc: ohallot: it might look so but I think it's different... 
(21:46:44) CorNouws: depents at what event you look at... sorry Martin, that is what I honestly feel 
(21:46:59) Andreas_UX: ohallot: I could actually turn your argument around and make "TDF wants to sabbotage OpenOffice.org" which i am not really thinking but you get the point I hope 
(21:47:41) _Nesshof_: CorNouws: understood 

(21:47:45) CorNouws: _Nesshof_: if "the real agenda for this experiment" is not clear to you and makes you concerned, we definitely have to talk about that 
(21:47:50) CorNouws: and soon. 
(21:48:12) CorNouws: Sorry: i've had the possibility to have contact with some of you guys in Hamburg, but only few 
(21:48:18) CorNouws: last weeks were busy for me 

(21:48:26) jsc: Many of us worked on the project before Sun and before Oracle. Please don't come us with this phrase 
(21:50:12) louis_to: I would like to propose that the TDF members of the CC consider the points those of us who have not joined TDF have made about conflict of interest and confusion 
(21:50:42) ***CorNouws on the other hand, the few things, very few compared to many others, so must not be to difficult to follow, could have been clear, I hope - presuming people know I don't cheat 
(21:51:04) ***CorNouws few thing I wronte on lists, I menat 
(21:52:08) louis_to: I would further ask them to resign their offices, so as to remove the apparent conflict of interest their current representational roles produce 

(21:52:44) CorNouws: louis_to: ok with your first proposal, and I would like to talk more at least with Marting 
(21:53:05) louis_to: okay, can we set a time deadline for this? There is a lot going on 
(21:53:07) CorNouws: not with your second, obvious, that is what I tried to explain 
(21:53:23) louis_to: and I would ask then for Monday this coming week for final decision on your part 
(21:53:26) CorNouws: louis_to: talking dealines :-) 

(21:53:27) louis_to: or Tuesday, at most 
(21:53:31) louis_to: :-) 
(21:53:32) CorNouws: sorry, could not resist 
(21:53:38) louis_to: touché 
(21:53:45) louis_to: but this is actually very important 

(21:53:52) CorNouws: pff 
(21:54:13) louis_to: it is of utomost importance that we do not confuse users and contributors as to what is what, as to the identity of OpenOffice.org--or of your organization 
(21:54:22) CorNouws: I will contact Martin to make an appointment and that must for me be possible next week 
(21:54:40) CorNouws: the appointment, not the initial contct of course 
(21:54:41) louis_to: and so it is in our interests--all of our interests--to do that, to make things clear 

(21:54:44) erAck: is there any chance to meet face2face and discuss some things? 
(21:54:46) christoph_n: CorNouws: If I can help anyhow ... I'm happy to join. 
(21:55:10) ***louis_to notes he'll be in Madrid end of October, but that's too late, I think 
(21:55:12) jsc: I would like to join if possible 
(21:55:25) CorNouws: erAck: my yacht still is not in the water, so we would be bound to land 

(21:55:28) louis_to: can I suggest then we have a separate meeting Monday or Tuesday? 
(21:55:44) _Nesshof_: my boat is still in water 
(21:55:48) ***mhu wants to remind of pavels comment, of what is expected ... 
(21:55:51) mhu: (21:01:45) paveljanik: In my normal life, the "good grace" and "gentlemanship" force people to step down when they work for the other companies, lawyers can't work for both sides etc. This is normal and I expect the same from people with COI in our OOoCouncil. 

(21:56:27) CorNouws: mhu: thanks. I hope he understands my situation when reading the logs 
(21:57:38) ***mhu thinks, the question is not whether pavel understands, but what the answer is, actually 
(21:58:06) christoph_n: erAck: Concerning your question, would be hard for me ... but there seems to be a meeting in Hamburg anyway with some people who share the foundation idea. It would be great if some of you could join (but I don't remember when and if it has been arranged at all). 
(21:58:45) ***louis_to is a little surprised at the lack of acceptance of the new reality, that there is the OpenOffice.org project and TDF and LibreOffice, and that they differ and have different things characterizing them 
(21:59:17) louis_to: christoph_n: the issue is not to delay; it is to act on as expeditiously as possible. 

(21:59:42) louis_to: your role in the Document Foundation and LibreOffice makes your role as a representative in the OOo CC untenable and impossible 
(22:00:01) Andreas_UX: I would support that. I think that the more we discuss the more we will harden the fronts 
(22:00:17) louis_to: it causes confusion, it is a plain conflict of interest, as TDF split from OOo 
(22:00:34) erAck: christoph_n: I was thinking more of a meeting with the current CC members, regardless whether some will resign or not. 
(22:01:07) jsc: well I have to agree here in the same way as I have voted against Thorsten who worked on the go-oo fork 

(22:01:25) Andreas_UX: that is a good point 
(22:01:28) christoph_n: erAck: I know, I know ... but if we chose Hamburg, it is also some hundreds of kilometers for me :-( Usually I plan that some weeks/months in advance 
(22:01:33) Andreas_UX: why should that be different 
(22:02:28) Andreas_UX: ooh come on christoph, your relatives will be happy you helping them out rebuilding the house again ;-) 
(22:02:58) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: And they know that I am still trying to somehow finish our flat :-) 

(22:03:14) Andreas_UX: you're not done yet ;-) 
(22:03:25) jsc: ... independent of personal relationships 
(22:04:07) mhu: have I mentioned my new mantra: you can't eat the cake, and keep it at the same time...that is a conflict of interest 
(22:04:24) ***jsc is still to slow today... 
(22:05:08) ***mhu would like to leave in 10min 

(22:05:16) ***jsc but still love my iPhone 
(22:05:39) Andreas_UX: I just think that the Community Counsil as it is right now does not make any sense at all. It would be benumbed due to ongoing discussions and disagreement 
(22:06:30) CorNouws: Martin and me will meet (skype) this weekend, as promised 
(22:06:38) CorNouws: I think that is a good start to sort this out 
(22:06:48) CorNouws: sorry that it is all a bit difficult 

(22:06:51) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: To be honest, we experienced these differences in the past, too. 
(22:07:11) Andreas_UX: I knew you would say that :-) 
(22:07:18) louis_to: Then let us agree that Tuesday is deadline for resolving this. 
(22:07:26) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: It seems we work together far too long ;-) 
(22:07:35) Andreas_UX: indeed 

(22:07:39) CorNouws: christoph_n: Was Andreas informed about how things often were here? 
(22:07:42) mhu: ...but now you're on the board of a competing organization, and cannot eat the cake and have it too 
(22:07:50) ***erAck throws in a philosophical view: you still have the cake while you're digesting. 
(22:08:14) CorNouws: mhu: pls, be patient 
(22:08:19) louis_to: folks, please, let's stick to the matter at hand, not to the cake on the dessert tray and in our stomachs 

(22:08:27) Andreas_UX: +1 
(22:08:37) louis_to: to summarize, 
(22:08:46) christoph_n: CorNouws: We had many talks concerning the UX community and the difficulties in the projects we worked in. So I expect, that he knows our concerns ... 
(22:08:51) ***mhu is indeed impatient, sorry for that; need to leave soon anyway 
(22:09:33) CorNouws: mhu: sorry that I didn't write 'try to be' .. 

(22:09:57) Andreas_UX: Cor: I really understand your concerns but I really do not support "the way you doing things about them" 
(22:10:02) mhu: CorNouws: don't worry, I'm not sooo impatient 
(22:10:11) louis_to: mhu: I am too 
(22:10:20) louis_to: and would like to resolve this. By tuesday, i can wait 

(22:10:39) mhu: tuesday is fine for me, too 
(22:10:40) louis_to: but the issue is of importance, and I do not want actual or possible confusion to obtain here 
(22:10:49) louis_to: the point is quite clear 
(22:11:10) louis_to: if the TDF members do not disassociate themselves from the Doc. found. then they must resign 
(22:11:14) louis_to: by Tuesday 

(22:11:27) louis_to: I doubt we can have consensus on that point 
(22:11:38) louis_to: however, the situation here is extraordinary 
(22:12:07) erAck: So, we now know (or not) Cor's opinion about conflict of interest. How about Christoph and Olivier? 
(22:12:15) louis_to: We are giving the TDF members the time to understand the weight of their action and to act gracefully 
(22:12:54) jsc: Maybe people should think about a new LO community instead of the OOo community that still exists but is maybe smaller... 

(22:13:03) christoph_n: erAck: As I said earlier, I second Cor's points. 
(22:13:39) ohallot: no COI for me. Au contraire. 
(22:13:46) ***mhu needs to leave in about a minute ... 
(22:14:32) CorNouws: thanks for the summary and understanding Louis 
(22:14:43) ***jsc is thinking about the meaning of COI 

(22:14:49) CorNouws: I will talk with Martin, explaining and listening 
(22:15:00) erAck: jsc: conflict of interest 
(22:15:28) ***jsc ups I meant interpretation 
(22:15:30) louis_to: CorNouws: great; I would hope Martin can communicate the results of this discussoin, but leave it to his and your discretion 
(22:15:51) louis_to: for now, I would ask that we adjourn this meeting, as some of us have to leave quite soon 

(22:16:00) ***jsc is surprised how different it can be 
(22:16:14) louis_to: and that we wait until Tuesday, when we might have an emergency meeting (TBD) 
(22:16:18) ohallot: adjourn: +1 
(22:16:23) Andreas_UX: +1 
(22:16:28) _Nesshof_: ok 

(22:16:32) erAck: ok 
(22:16:34) jsc: +1 
(22:16:39) mhu: okay, bye then 
(22:16:47) erAck: bye 
(22:16:55) christoph_n: okay 

(22:16:56) ohallot: bye 
(22:17:01) Andreas_UX: bye bye 
(22:17:06) ohallot hat den Raum verlassen. 
(22:17:18) mhu hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Quit: Leaving.). 
(22:17:18) jsc: bye 

(22:17:43) louis_to: bye all 
(22:17:54) louis_to: meeting adjourned

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council Log 20101014

2010-10-14T20:33:30Z

ChristophNoack: Initial creation

{{Community_Council}}
== IRC Log 2010-10-14 ==

*Supposed start time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18:30 UTC]
*Location: IRC

== Council Members ==

=== Community Council Attendees ===

*Andreas Bartel (Andreas_UX)
*Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
*Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
*Eike Rathke (erAck)
*Juergen Schmidt (jsc)
*Louis Suárez-Potts (louis_to)
*Matthias Huetsch (mhu)
*Martin Hollmichel (_Nesshof_, deputy of Stefan Taxhet) 
*Olivier Hallot (ohallot)

=== Absent ===

*Charles-H. Schulz

== Meet the Community Council Session ==

(20:41:13) _Nesshof_: MechtiIde: any question or comments from you right now ? 
(20:41:18) erAck: We have MechtiIde and paveljanik here, do you have questions? 
(20:41:28) ***mhu thinks, the "public" is supposed to ask questions, that we are supposed to answer 

(20:42:36) paveljanik: -back 
(20:42:41) paveljanik: Hi erAck 
(20:42:50) ***erAck notes we missed to announce the public session in advance. 
(20:43:01) paveljanik: MechtiIde: you can start asking :-) 
(20:44:01) MechtiIde: I'm more interested which other public person are interested on the Community Council of OpenOffice.org 

(20:44:26) paveljanik: MechtiIde: me :-) 
(20:45:00) MechtiIde: I'm thinking how doing the next Germanophone RElease of OpenOffice.org 
(20:45:07) MechtiIde: as I did it in the past 
(20:45:31) MechtiIde: paveljanik, you are not a desputy? 
(20:45:44) paveljanik: I'm only interested in how OOoCouncil will solve the conflicts of interest of some members of it. Nothing else. 

(20:45:46) paveljanik: MechtiIde: no. 
(20:46:00) ***paveljanik is not despota nor deputy ;-) 
(20:46:04) louis_to: MechtiIde: there are quite a few interested in the CC 
(20:46:14) louis_to: and in joining it, many from the NLC 
(20:46:23) erAck: MechtiIde: is the DE release at risk? 

(20:47:16) MechtiIde: erAck, at this time *I* don't know how many people will do the release tests on the diffenrent plattforms 
(20:47:58) mhu: paveljanik: not sure you will see a resolution now, as we have this discussion prior to our regular meeting 
(20:48:03) MechtiIde: And I have not the time to do it all myself in the quality we did beore 
(20:48:14) MechtiIde: before 
(20:48:18) paveljanik: mhu: ah. Hmm. 

(20:48:48) MechtiIde: mhu, will there be a Chatlog after the meeting? 
(20:49:28) mhu: I am sure someone will publish the usual minutes of the meeting, so, yes I think so 
(20:49:36) paveljanik: I (maybe I'm naive) expect that people with "conflict of interest" will automatically step down. 
(20:50:03) paveljanik: this is what 1/2 of "public" wants :-) 

(20:50:34) erAck: MechtiIde: I suggest to do the release / QA work as usual and see how it goes on. 
(20:51:10) paveljanik: MechtiIde: how many people did you "lost"? 
(20:51:23) MechtiIde: paveljanik, I don't know 
(20:51:34) mhu: paveljanik: if nobody else does, I will take your comment to the meeting right after this 

(20:51:45) paveljanik: MechtiIde: then I think you just have to go as usually 
(20:52:04) ***_Nesshof_ agrees 
(20:52:14) paveljanik: mhu: thanks 
(20:52:17) CorNouws: paveljanik: what do you define as "conflict of interest" ? 

(20:52:24) MechtiIde: paveljanik, I myself have only a smal timeframe because I have a new job 
(20:52:38) MechtiIde: small 
(20:52:46) paveljanik: CorNouws: read your national law and use your brain to accomodate. 
(20:53:08) paveljanik: MechtiIde: I understand 
(20:53:36) CorNouws: If I use my brain, that will lead to what I see and c-o-i 

(20:55:02) paveljanik: OK, I have no other questions now. 
(20:55:43) mhu: paveljanik: but are you satified with the (non-)answer? 
(20:55:58) paveljanik: mhu: (!)yes. 
(20:56:00) paveljanik: ;-) 
(20:56:52) ***mhu needs some help to understand paveljanik s humor here 

(20:57:34) paveljanik: I'll read meeting minutes and maybe there will be an answer or some "good grace" will shine from the minutes. 
(20:57:43) CorNouws: mhu: read all his comments during the cc logs of the last years when pavel was cc member 
(20:59:07) ***mhu seems not able to think around corners today, but sorry I don't understand these vague hints 
(20:59:40) paveljanik: mhu: ! means negation (as you used the same syntax in your sentence). 

(20:59:43) _Nesshof_: are we ready to finish the public session now 
(21:00:04) paveljanik: I just want to say one more sentence. 
(21:00:12) mhu: paveljanik: ah that explains it, my C/C++ parser still works 
(21:00:24) Andreas_UX: but it's buggy ;-) 
(21:00:47) CorNouws: ;-) 

(21:00:47) erAck: paveljanik: go ahead. 
(21:01:45) paveljanik: In my normal life, the "good grace" and "gentlemanship" force people to step down when they work for the other companies, lawyers can't work for both sides etc. This is normal and I expect the same from people with COI in our OOoCouncil. 
(21:02:02) paveljanik: nothing else. 

(21:02:05) paveljanik: Thanks. 
(21:02:12) Andreas_UX: thank you! 
(21:02:23) CorNouws: paveljanik: thanks, this is more clear 
(21:02:27) erAck: paveljanik: ok, we heard you. 
(21:02:28) christoph_n: yep, thanks 

(21:02:33) mhu: that fits precisely to our first agenda item 
(21:02:38) louis_to: indeed 
(21:02:50) louis_to: shall we move to the formal and more private meeting then? 
(21:03:02) mhu: yes, please 
(21:03:03) Andreas_UX: yes please 

(21:03:09) erAck: +1 
(21:03:11) paveljanik: please sen the meeting minutes to me in CC: 
(21:03:13) paveljanik: Thanks 
(21:03:19) ohallot: +1 

(21:03:23) louis_to: then let's go there, and accept MechtiIde's points and also paveljanik's 
(21:03:33) Andreas_UX: ok 
(21:03:45) Andreas_UX: see you on the other side 
(21:03:46) louis_to: the public element is now closed; thanks 

== Community Council Session ==

(21:00:21) _Nesshof_: ok, pavel left, so are we ready to start the regular meeting ? 

(21:04:15) ***christoph_n is ready 
(21:04:33) Andreas_UX: dito 
(21:04:52) ***mhu too 
(21:05:03) louis_to: once again, the agenda is: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda</a> 

(21:05:30) louis_to: and as was mentioned, the first item is the one regarding the future of the CC, "where we stand," posted earlier today to the wiki agenda 
(21:05:40) CorNouws: moment pls, will be back in a minute (kitchen calls me) 
(21:05:53) louis_to: and effectively summarized by paveljanik as, resolving conflict of interest, or COI 
(21:06:04) ***louis_to waits a minute 

(21:06:28) erAck: For the protocol, let's first do 0 - "List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval", that should be a quick one. 
(21:06:44) louis_to: erAck: agreed 
(21:06:49) louis_to: let us wait a minute, however 
(21:06:53) louis_to: for CorNouws to return 

(21:08:44) ***mhu thinks, that minute is more than over now 
(21:09:20) CorNouws: sorry - reading about bears and other drinks made me thirsty 
(21:09:30) CorNouws: have some tea now ;-) 
(21:09:43) Andreas_UX: i would prefer beers over bears ;-) 
(21:10:04) christoph_n: Both can make you thirsty, I'm sure :-) 

(21:10:04) louis_to: here in canada the two combine :-) 
(21:10:06) CorNouws: ah, my fingers ehh key board again. thans for helping 
(21:10:24) louis_to: do we agree on the minutes for the prior meeting? 
(21:10:31) mhu: yes 
(21:10:41) Andreas_UX: yes 

(21:11:08) louis_to: +1 
(21:11:11) CorNouws: OK 
(21:11:13) christoph_n: +1 
(21:11:16) _Nesshof_: +1 
(21:11:27) ***erAck abstains as he didn't attend. 

(21:11:41) ohallot: ok 
(21:11:57) jsc [~jsc@192.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] hat den Raum betreten. 
(21:12:06) louis_to: hello, juergen 
(21:12:09) christoph_n: Hi Juergen! 

(21:12:14) erAck: hi! 
(21:12:18) Andreas_UX: hi! 
(21:12:27) ohallot: Hi Juergen 
(21:12:47) louis_to: minutes from prior meeting approved; notes that jsc has joined, leaving charles absent and stefan taxhet too, deputied by nesshoff 
(21:13:14) jsc: Hi, sorry for being late, but I had to finished dinner first. 

(21:13:15) louis_to: I move that we go on to item 00 
(21:13:26) mhu: yes 
(21:13:36) Andreas_UX: yes 
(21:13:38) erAck: yes 
(21:14:04) louis_to: I think that Pavel in the public part of this meeting hit it on the head 

(21:14:15) mhu: (21:01:45) paveljanik: In my normal life, the "good grace" and "gentlemanship" force people to step down when they work for the other companies, lawyers can't work for both sides etc. This is normal and I expect the same from people with COI in our OOoCouncil. 
(21:14:20) louis_to: when he described the problem being one of conflict of interest 
(21:14:26) louis_to: thanks, mhu 

(21:14:42) ***mhu promised that to pavel 
(21:14:57) CorNouws: so ... 
(21:15:00) CorNouws: I do realise that we are in a special situation, and that we need to talk about it. Therefore I did add it to the agenda, isn't it.. 
(21:15:32) CorNouws: But for me, there is no real conflict of interest at the moment. 
(21:15:32) CorNouws: All the public outings (writings) from my side, are respectfull, with nuance, and hope for a better future then the years we can look back at. 

(21:15:59) CorNouws: And I also see TDF in that light. 
(21:16:25) louis_to: if I can clarify 
(21:16:28) CorNouws: If all non-corporate members of the council together with big names from the past say that it is time that the community makes a different move, it is not the first logic step to leave that community, IMO 
(21:16:29) louis_to: the issue is not your motives 
(21:16:37) mhu: for me it is as simple as it was for pavel: you can't eat the cake and have it too, both at the same time 

(21:17:16) CorNouws: Well, of course it was my great pleasure to try to explain ... 
(21:17:25) louis_to: thank you 
(21:17:30) CorNouws: and I have some more thoughts 
(21:17:54) mhu: sorry for interrupting that was not my intent, go on, please 
(21:17:56) louis_to: are they relevant to the matter at hand? 

(21:18:49) CorNouws: louis_to: grmphh 
(21:18:59) _Nesshof_: please let CorNouws speak for while 
(21:20:07) _Nesshof_: s//a 
(21:20:13) CorNouws: yes, it might not be that much words extra, but it's myabe not that what counts 
(21:20:29) ***louis_to was teasing CorNouws 

(21:21:49) jsc: In the end it's quite simple, people choose to fork the project and claim they were the community... 
(21:21:50) CorNouws: we still have to find out how things really work out with roles and takst from different people, because it would surprise me if all individuals always are the same with work, feelings and attiture 
(21:22:15) CorNouws: s/taskt/taks 
(21:22:31) CorNouws: s/taskt/takst ;-) 
(21:22:41) ***CorNouws en fin you get it 

(21:22:55) christoph_n: Thanks Cor! 
(21:23:06) CorNouws: And still AFAIK we have to do some fouther talking on a different level. 
(21:23:23) CorNouws: but that obviously is something we will not have here 
(21:23:46) Andreas_UX: what do you mean Cor? 
(21:23:48) mhu: CorNouws: talk about what? 

(21:24:02) jsc: ... but there are more people that belongs to the community 
(21:24:46) ***jsc is slow because is typing on his iPhone 
(21:25:54) Andreas_UX: that is also my impression since there are always some discussions on the lists which reflect that some are more or less surprised, confused etc 
(21:26:07) Andreas_UX: some memebers 
(21:26:32) CorNouws: Andreas_UX: take care, my typing errors are viral ;-) 

(21:26:40) Andreas_UX: which sounds reasonable since things changed rapidly 
(21:26:49) Andreas_UX: Core: indeed they are 
(21:27:18) mhu: ohallot, CorNouws, christoph_n: could you shortly explain, in continuation of pavels question, how you think that you can be both on the governing body of a forked and competing project, and on this governing body, please? 
(21:27:37) CorNouws: Andreas_UX: I am not surprised that community members are surprised too 
(21:28:01) CorNouws: mhu: simple: I do not see it as competing. more as extending 

(21:28:09) mhu: haha 
(21:28:10) CorNouws: wrong word, need my dictionary 
(21:28:19) CorNouws: what haha 
(21:28:21) CorNouws: ? 
(21:28:23) ohallot: do we have competition? 

(21:28:32) christoph_n: Good question... I think not, or? 
(21:28:54) erAck: The conflict most see is that LO is a different product with different interests, regardless of personal motives or attitude of those involved. TDF says they want to bring OOo "further to the future", but so far they only forked. Code-wise and infrastructure-wise. 
(21:28:54) ohallot: because if we have not, then there is no COI 
(21:29:00) CorNouws: maybe additional is better than extending 

(21:29:05) jsc: In the end it's the same as with go-oo, I respect people but I see the conflict of interest 
(21:29:09) mhu: you're not competing? can have that on paper writing? 
(21:29:13) Andreas_UX: are you serious? we have competition or we will have soon at conferences, with customers, with community newbies etc 
(21:29:47) CorNouws: erAck: yep, but that was not out of main will, but just to asure that we have a ground to start the foundation 
(21:29:59) CorNouws: see the invitation - however you call it - to Oracle 

(21:30:09) mhu: haha 
(21:30:10) ohallot: TDF is not asking for competion, we invited you to join 
(21:30:15) Andreas_UX: please don't start that again 
(21:30:25) erAck: CorNouws: you could had have a foundation without a competing product. 
(21:30:36) CorNouws: yes, why not? 

(21:31:01) CorNouws: or am I naive (still) ? 
(21:31:13) CorNouws: or just idealistic, still 
(21:31:15) Andreas_UX: good question Cor ;-) 
(21:31:28) jsc: Well the TDF choose the fork 
(21:31:48) CorNouws: and for me, ideasls do not stop at the door or any company, maybe that is a problem ;-) 

(21:32:17) Andreas_UX: the point is that an amount X of the community have chosen to go a different path, not judging, the rest remains unchanged 
(21:32:55) CorNouws: so therefore we need to find out where there realy is a conflict of interest 
(21:32:58) Andreas_UX: the different path is reflected in marketing, code, contribution rules, etc 
(21:33:14) CorNouws: why or where I should not ne able to help in the OOo community any more 
(21:33:54) CorNouws: s/ne/be 

(21:33:59) Andreas_UX: ... you guys even have an own agenda for conferences now. what will you promote there? 
(21:34:12) Andreas_UX: OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice? 
(21:34:15) mhu: you can not eat the cake (go away and set up a competing project) and keep it to (try to govern the project that you were just leaving) 
(21:34:29) CorNouws: working on a product in our mutual "office-cloud" (R) 

(21:34:52) louis_to: CorNouws: you are entitled to work with the OOo community but your role in the CC can cause confusion, as it is a representative role 
(21:35:07) erAck: CorNouws: not helping OOo is not the point. The COI is having a seat both in TDF and in the OOoCC. 
(21:35:22) louis_to: The point is to reduce, as much as possible, confusion and conflict of apparent intention 
(21:35:45) Andreas_UX: please could someone else say something? christoph what do you think? 
(21:35:57) CorNouws: I am member of different political parties here, that for me serve different goals 

(21:36:06) christoph_n: First, I second Cor's points ... 
(21:36:10) Andreas_UX: that's weird :-) 
(21:36:21) Andreas_UX: not christoph ment 
(21:36:31) ***mhu had already asked that question to all three, and have received no (acceptable) answer 
(21:36:35) jsc: Maybe people should have this question before they decide to fork... 

(21:36:53) louis_to: the point is not your personal motives. 
(21:36:57) christoph_n: ... to me, there is not that much difference concerning the community we provide guidance to. 
(21:37:12) louis_to: the point is apparent and evident motives and identity 
(21:37:22) louis_to: you now represent TDF and LibreOffice 
(21:37:30) louis_to: these are distinct from OpenOffice.org 

(21:37:32) jsc: ... asked ... 
(21:37:46) ***CorNouws great, first time we have a real discussion here. Would have loved to see that happen when we talked - or tried to - about a foundation in the past :-\ 
(21:37:47) louis_to: for you to represeent OOo in the CC is therefore quite confusing 
(21:38:25) _Nesshof_: member of diffenent parties: tss, tss, never saw a political party, which allows that 
(21:38:44) ohallot: Our presence in OOC is a good opportunity to keep door open to both projects. 

(21:38:53) CorNouws: that is nothing confusing compared to the things we all have to find out the nextt months 
(21:38:54) jsc: sorry guys, but sounds indeed a little bit naive 
(21:39:47) _Nesshof_: CorNouws: I'm fine with that, but during those months you should not serve both parties 
(21:40:39) CorNouws: I am trying to serve our "office-cloud" ... but I understand whay you want to say 

(21:40:40) _Nesshof_: I'm looking forward to the results of that experiment, but please don't try to serve both parties at the same time 
(21:41:02) Andreas_UX: hey guys, are you just being bulish? Honestly! 
(21:41:15) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: I think not :-) 
(21:41:33) ***erAck is puzzled how "fraktionsuebergreifender Ausschuss" would translate to English 

(21:41:43) Andreas_UX: I see what you might be up to but that seems to be so much beyond realism 
(21:41:49) mhu: there's nothing funny, actually 
(21:41:50) erAck hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Quit: Lost terminal). 
(21:42:00) CorNouws: _Nesshof_: I agree that it is not an easy situation 
(21:42:54) CorNouws: and will take care of your advice 

(21:42:57) christoph_n: _Nesshof_: Thinking about the whole community, what do you think would be the best way to deal with that? 
(21:43:01) erAck [~er@nat/sun/x-oefqfydztdkludml] hat den Raum betreten. 
(21:43:15) CorNouws: erAck: was looking for his dictionary ? 
(21:43:20) _Nesshof_: erAck: ausschusse sind immer fraktionsuebergreifend 

(21:43:53) Andreas_UX: be consequent! take your chances with LibreOffice and see how things work out. But please be more realistic. 
(21:43:53) ***erAck hates UIs closing windows when selecting the wrong context menu entry 
(21:44:19) christoph_n: erAck: And there is still *_UX around ;-) 
(21:44:22) Andreas_UX: that is what you guys wanted, right? or the part of the community you say you represent. 
(21:44:45) jsc: Christoph_n: not all people have really understand the current situation 

(21:45:17) ohallot: well, you see, the reality is that i only see CorNows, christoph_n and ohallot as the community memebers and all other are now Oracle employees so I take it as Oracle wants us to get out 
(21:45:35) _Nesshof_: christoph_n: for answering this I'd need to know the real agenda for this experiment 
(21:46:05) christoph_n: ohallot: I don't know ... we should try to better explain our aims. 
(21:46:13) _Nesshof_: ohallot: who took the first step ? 
(21:46:22) mhu: ohallot: you have chosen to leave, so we wish you good luck, but please leave; and that has nothing to do with Oracle; that is my personal opinion 

(21:46:34) jsc: ohallot: it might look so but I think it's different... 
(21:46:44) CorNouws: depents at what event you look at... sorry Martin, that is what I honestly feel 
(21:46:59) Andreas_UX: ohallot: I could actually turn your argument around and make "TDF wants to sabbotage OpenOffice.org" which i am not really thinking but you get the point I hope 
(21:47:41) _Nesshof_: CorNouws: understood 

(21:47:45) CorNouws: _Nesshof_: if "the real agenda for this experiment" is not clear to you and makes you concerned, we definitely have to talk about that 
(21:47:50) CorNouws: and soon. 
(21:48:12) CorNouws: Sorry: i've had the possibility to have contact with some of you guys in Hamburg, but only few 
(21:48:18) CorNouws: last weeks were busy for me 

(21:48:26) jsc: Many of us worked on the project before Sun and before Oracle. Please don't come us with this phrase 
(21:50:12) louis_to: I would like to propose that the TDF members of the CC consider the points those of us who have not joined TDF have made about conflict of interest and confusion 
(21:50:42) ***CorNouws on the other hand, the few things, very few compared to many others, so must not be to difficult to follow, could have been clear, I hope - presuming people know I don't cheat 
(21:51:04) ***CorNouws few thing I wronte on lists, I menat 
(21:52:08) louis_to: I would further ask them to resign their offices, so as to remove the apparent conflict of interest their current representational roles produce 

(21:52:44) CorNouws: louis_to: ok with your first proposal, and I would like to talk more at least with Marting 
(21:53:05) louis_to: okay, can we set a time deadline for this? There is a lot going on 
(21:53:07) CorNouws: not with your second, obvious, that is what I tried to explain 
(21:53:23) louis_to: and I would ask then for Monday this coming week for final decision on your part 
(21:53:26) CorNouws: louis_to: talking dealines :-) 

(21:53:27) louis_to: or Tuesday, at most 
(21:53:31) louis_to: :-) 
(21:53:32) CorNouws: sorry, could not resist 
(21:53:38) louis_to: touché 
(21:53:45) louis_to: but this is actually very important 

(21:53:52) CorNouws: pff 
(21:54:13) louis_to: it is of utomost importance that we do not confuse users and contributors as to what is what, as to the identity of OpenOffice.org--or of your organization 
(21:54:22) CorNouws: I will contact Martin to make an appointment and that must for me be possible next week 
(21:54:40) CorNouws: the appointment, not the initial contct of course 
(21:54:41) louis_to: and so it is in our interests--all of our interests--to do that, to make things clear 

(21:54:44) erAck: is there any chance to meet face2face and discuss some things? 
(21:54:46) christoph_n: CorNouws: If I can help anyhow ... I'm happy to join. 
(21:55:10) ***louis_to notes he'll be in Madrid end of October, but that's too late, I think 
(21:55:12) jsc: I would like to join if possible 
(21:55:25) CorNouws: erAck: my yacht still is not in the water, so we would be bound to land 

(21:55:28) louis_to: can I suggest then we have a separate meeting Monday or Tuesday? 
(21:55:44) _Nesshof_: my boat is still in water 
(21:55:48) ***mhu wants to remind of pavels comment, of what is expected ... 
(21:55:51) mhu: (21:01:45) paveljanik: In my normal life, the "good grace" and "gentlemanship" force people to step down when they work for the other companies, lawyers can't work for both sides etc. This is normal and I expect the same from people with COI in our OOoCouncil. 

(21:56:27) CorNouws: mhu: thanks. I hope he understands my situation when reading the logs 
(21:57:38) ***mhu thinks, the question is not whether pavel understands, but what the answer is, actually 
(21:58:06) christoph_n: erAck: Concerning your question, would be hard for me ... but there seems to be a meeting in Hamburg anyway with some people who share the foundation idea. It would be great if some of you could join (but I don't remember when and if it has been arranged at all). 
(21:58:45) ***louis_to is a little surprised at the lack of acceptance of the new reality, that there is the OpenOffice.org project and TDF and LibreOffice, and that they differ and have different things characterizing them 
(21:59:17) louis_to: christoph_n: the issue is not to delay; it is to act on as expeditiously as possible. 

(21:59:42) louis_to: your role in the Document Foundation and LibreOffice makes your role as a representative in the OOo CC untenable and impossible 
(22:00:01) Andreas_UX: I would support that. I think that the more we discuss the more we will harden the fronts 
(22:00:17) louis_to: it causes confusion, it is a plain conflict of interest, as TDF split from OOo 
(22:00:34) erAck: christoph_n: I was thinking more of a meeting with the current CC members, regardless whether some will resign or not. 
(22:01:07) jsc: well I have to agree here in the same way as I have voted against Thorsten who worked on the go-oo fork 

(22:01:25) Andreas_UX: that is a good point 
(22:01:28) christoph_n: erAck: I know, I know ... but if we chose Hamburg, it is also some hundreds of kilometers for me :-( Usually I plan that some weeks/months in advance 
(22:01:33) Andreas_UX: why should that be different 
(22:02:28) Andreas_UX: ooh come on christoph, your relatives will be happy you helping them out rebuilding the house again ;-) 
(22:02:58) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: And they know that I am still trying to somehow finish our flat :-) 

(22:03:14) Andreas_UX: you're not done yet ;-) 
(22:03:25) jsc: ... independent of personal relationships 
(22:04:07) mhu: have I mentioned my new mantra: you can't eat the cake, and keep it at the same time...that is a conflict of interest 
(22:04:24) ***jsc is still to slow today... 
(22:05:08) ***mhu would like to leave in 10min 

(22:05:16) ***jsc but still love my iPhone 
(22:05:39) Andreas_UX: I just think that the Community Counsil as it is right now does not make any sense at all. It would be benumbed due to ongoing discussions and disagreement 
(22:06:30) CorNouws: Martin and me will meet (skype) this weekend, as promised 
(22:06:38) CorNouws: I think that is a good start to sort this out 
(22:06:48) CorNouws: sorry that it is all a bit difficult 

(22:06:51) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: To be honest, we experienced these differences in the past, too. 
(22:07:11) Andreas_UX: I knew you would say that :-) 
(22:07:18) louis_to: Then let us agree that Tuesday is deadline for resolving this. 
(22:07:26) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: It seems we work together far too long ;-) 
(22:07:35) Andreas_UX: indeed 

(22:07:39) CorNouws: christoph_n: Was Andreas informed about how things often were here? 
(22:07:42) mhu: ...but now you're on the board of a competing organization, and cannot eat the cake and have it too 
(22:07:50) ***erAck throws in a philosophical view: you still have the cake while you're digesting. 
(22:08:14) CorNouws: mhu: pls, be patient 
(22:08:19) louis_to: folks, please, let's stick to the matter at hand, not to the cake on the dessert tray and in our stomachs 

(22:08:27) Andreas_UX: +1 
(22:08:37) louis_to: to summarize, 
(22:08:46) christoph_n: CorNouws: We had many talks concerning the UX community and the difficulties in the projects we worked in. So I expect, that he knows our concerns ... 
(22:08:51) ***mhu is indeed impatient, sorry for that; need to leave soon anyway 
(22:09:33) CorNouws: mhu: sorry that I didn't write 'try to be' .. 

(22:09:57) Andreas_UX: Cor: I really understand your concerns but I really do not support "the way you doing things about them" 
(22:10:02) mhu: CorNouws: don't worry, I'm not sooo impatient 
(22:10:11) louis_to: mhu: I am too 
(22:10:20) louis_to: and would like to resolve this. By tuesday, i can wait 

(22:10:39) mhu: tuesday is fine for me, too 
(22:10:40) louis_to: but the issue is of importance, and I do not want actual or possible confusion to obtain here 
(22:10:49) louis_to: the point is quite clear 
(22:11:10) louis_to: if the TDF members do not disassociate themselves from the Doc. found. then they must resign 
(22:11:14) louis_to: by Tuesday 

(22:11:27) louis_to: I doubt we can have consensus on that point 
(22:11:38) louis_to: however, the situation here is extraordinary 
(22:12:07) erAck: So, we now know (or not) Cor's opinion about conflict of interest. How about Christoph and Olivier? 
(22:12:15) louis_to: We are giving the TDF members the time to understand the weight of their action and to act gracefully 
(22:12:54) jsc: Maybe people should think about a new LO community instead of the OOo community that still exists but is maybe smaller... 

(22:13:03) christoph_n: erAck: As I said earlier, I second Cor's points. 
(22:13:39) ohallot: no COI for me. Au contraire. 
(22:13:46) ***mhu needs to leave in about a minute ... 
(22:14:32) CorNouws: thanks for the summary and understanding Louis 
(22:14:43) ***jsc is thinking about the meaning of COI 

(22:14:49) CorNouws: I will talk with Martin, explaining and listening 
(22:15:00) erAck: jsc: conflict of interest 
(22:15:28) ***jsc ups I meant interpretation 
(22:15:30) louis_to: CorNouws: great; I would hope Martin can communicate the results of this discussoin, but leave it to his and your discretion 
(22:15:51) louis_to: for now, I would ask that we adjourn this meeting, as some of us have to leave quite soon 

(22:16:00) ***jsc is surprised how different it can be 
(22:16:14) louis_to: and that we wait until Tuesday, when we might have an emergency meeting (TBD) 
(22:16:18) ohallot: adjourn: +1 
(22:16:23) Andreas_UX: +1 
(22:16:28) _Nesshof_: ok 

(22:16:32) erAck: ok 
(22:16:34) jsc: +1 
(22:16:39) mhu: okay, bye then 
(22:16:47) erAck: bye 
(22:16:55) christoph_n: okay 

(22:16:56) ohallot: bye 
(22:17:01) Andreas_UX: bye bye 
(22:17:06) ohallot hat den Raum verlassen. 
(22:17:18) mhu hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Quit: Leaving.). 
(22:17:18) jsc: bye 

(22:17:43) louis_to: bye all 
(22:17:54) louis_to: meeting adjourned

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-09-26T11:45:48Z

ChristophNoack: Updated date /* Upcoming Meeting */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-10-14 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

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! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
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| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-09-23|Minutes#2010-09-23]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-09-23 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda. 
* 2010-09-03/09-21: Page with draft plan [[Community_Council/collaboration_in_the_OOo-community | improvement community collaboration]]

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 
*Cornouws: discussed during OOoCon; looks as if we were able to bring accros the importancy, however, other tasks ask attention first from Oracle people. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-09-21T17:52:17Z

ChristophNoack: Updated 2010-04-29#2 (no news) /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-08-12 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-08-12|Minutes#2010-08-12]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Done 
| Juergen 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.
*Updated the meeting guidelines and change the name of our public session, [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Meet_the_Community_Council|Meet the Community Council]]. Add a note for a public reminder and provide an initial template for the reminder ([[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines/Public Invitation Reminder Template|Public Invitation Reminder Template]]).

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Few projects agree to respond to the interview for the NLC project of the month. This month the Hungarian team will be highlighted for obvious reasons, and in September the Italian community is scheduled. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-09-21 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
**2010-09-21: Request for update sent to Oracle, nothing new yet.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

OOoCon2010/Personal memorials

2010-09-04T22:01:57Z

ChristophNoack: Added my pictures /* Photos */

{{Marketing}} [[Category:OOoCon]] [[Category:OOoCon2010]]
__TOC__

=== Photos ===

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/52295341@N04/sets/72157624868586556/ KAMI]

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmpop/sets/72157624870355942/ Dmitri Popov] - including the Group Picture

[http://www.dogmatux.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1623 Christoph Noack] - OpenOffice.org Conference 2010 and a few days vacation

Printerpullpages

2010-09-04T16:47:30Z

ChristophNoack: Added OOoCon 2010 presentation files /* Online Discussion, Press Coverage and Comments */

{| align="right"
| __TOC__
|}

[[Image:2009-06-14 printerpullpages logo.png|center]]

== Introduction ==

=== Summary ===

A new printing UI should give us better performance, more ease of use and overall more customer satisfaction. New features like the instant preview in a print dialog as well as unified N-Up printing for all applications will bring OOo's print experience more up to current standards. Additionally system integration can benefit by making use of native print dialogs (for which the MacOSX implementation will be the prime example). The development is done in the [[ChildWorkSpace|CWS]] '''printerpullpages'''.

Comments, questions or feedback is welcomed on the [mailto:ui@ux.openoffice.org ui@ux.openoffice.org] mailing list.

 The team working on the feature:

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| bgcolor="#dddddd" | '''Role'''
| bgcolor="#dddddd" | '''Name'''
| bgcolor="#dddddd" | '''E-Mail Address'''
|-
| '''I-Team Lead'''
| Philipp Lohmann (PL)
| Philipp.Lohmann@Sun.COM
|-
| '''Developer'''
|
Philipp Lohmann (PL) Andre Fischer (AF) Thomas Lange (TL) Niklas Nebel (NN) 

|
Philipp.Lohmann@Sun.COM Andre.W.Fischer@Sun.COM Thomas.Lange@Sun.COM Niklas.Nebel@Sun.COM

|-
| '''Quality Assurance'''
| Jörg Skottke (JSK) Hasan Ilter (HI)
| Joerg.Skottke@Sun.COM> Hasan.Ilter@Sun.COM
|-
| '''Documentation'''
| Uwe Fischer (UFI) 
| Uwe.Fischer@Sun.COM
|-
| '''User Experience'''
|
Christoph Noack Frank Loehmann (FL)

|
christophnoack@openoffice.org Frank.Loehmann@Sun.COM

|}

=== Details ===

First let us see why we need a new print subsystem in OOo. Up to now printing for OOo's applications worked like this:

* the user clicks on File->Print
* a dialog pops up in which the user can enter the page range to be printed, the printer to be printed on, etc.
* the application evaluates the data from the dialog, starts a print job and prints each page consecutively. After the last page is printed, the application finishes the print job.

This works but has some major drawbacks on the Mac platform:

* On Mac the printed range has to be known before the native print dialog (usage of which is a requirement on this platform) gets started. Even when printing without a dialog the number of pages has to be known before the print job starts. However the system dependent print implementation cannot know this page range, because it is only known to the application.
* The Mac print system then requests individual pages to be printed. These need not be in order or each page be printed only once due to the fact that when using the native print dialog a preview gets shown. To achieve this the Mac print system requests the current page to be previewed be printed. This is completely different to OOo's current print model.
* The current workaround on the Mac is to “print” all pages of a document, but not output to the actual printer but keep a memory copy of the printed pages. These can then in the real print job be requested by the system in random order and as often as needed. This solution has obvious performance and memory footprint drawbacks

So for at least the Mac platform we need a more flexible print solution. This solution should have the following features:

* pull instead of push pages: the print subsystem pulls pages a needed from the application, not the application pushes a number of pages to the print subsystem. On systems where printing is push based (Windows, Unix) the push behavior can be easily satisfied by an adaptor that pulls all pages and pushes each to the system consecutively.
* Provide a print preview in the new dialog: the user should be provided with a preview of what his document will look like when printed out. This preview should take into account all available application specific print options which can up to now be accessed by the “Options...” button in the print dialog.
* Be able to use native print dialogs and embed our print options into them, this benefits system integration.
* Reuse existing technology when possible to keep the implementation effort low

Based on these requirements the following new model should be implemented:

* printing migrates to a “pull” model where the print system pulls pages as required from the application.
* A new generic (that is universal on all systems) print dialog gets implemented that features the entry possibilities of the old dialog as well as new features namely:
** a print preview
** all application specific print options (which are hidden on the “Options...” dialog in the old print dialog)
** N-Up printing

== Requirements ==

=== Scope of the Work ===

{| class="prettytable" border="1"
|-
! style="background:#C3EBAE" | In Scope
! style="background:#FFDAB9" | Out of Scope
|-
|
* Satisfy the user demands for a the use of native printing dialogs (e.g. on the Mac OS X platform)
* Provide a high quality printing interface that is system independent
* Add system independent N-up printing to overcome the drawbacks of certain printer drivers
* Improve the overall interaction quality (e.g. workflow improvements, terminology, essential print options)
* Create a fresh and usable interface for printing in OpenOffice.org
* For all of the above: keep changes to limit that can be implemented for OOo 3.3. Further changes can wait for later version.
|
* Additional functionality will not be added (besides the planned N-up printing)
|}

=== Analysis of the Current State of Printing (OpenOffice 3.1) ===

Please refer to the page [[Printerpullpages/Current_State_of_Printing_OOo31|Current State of Printing (OpenOffice.org 3.1)]]. It provides findings about the current state of printing in OpenOffice.org 3.1 by analyzing usage feedback data, workflows and printing dialog screenshots.

=== Use Cases ===

Use cases are an important tool for the design of both usable and efficient interaction concepts. Knowing the most common ones, the user interface can be optimized to satisfy the need of a large user base in many situations. Besides the user feedback data, we don't have any knowledge about how our users work with OpenOffice.org. So we asked experts, users and trainers to get some feedback on "the three most common use cases". We know that this data isn't statistically relevant, but we may get some insight which we currently don't have.

Questions to the mailing lists:
* Start of thread on ux-discuss: [http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=3640 CWS printerpullpages] by Christoph
* Start of thread on de-users: [http://de.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=86511 Neuer Druckdialog in 3.2, Top 3 Anwendungsfälle] by Regina (German), [http://de.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=users&from=2243320&by=thread&windowSize=1000 Thread-View]
* Start of thread on de-dev: [http://de.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=40884 Neuer Druckdialog in 3.2, Top 3 Anwendungsfälle] by Regina (German)

The file [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/c/c3/Printerpullpages_UseCases_CollectionOfFeedback.odt Printerpullpages_UseCases_CollectionOfFeedback] contains the first collected feedback. If anybody wants to help to further collect/sort/analyse the feedback - that would be really great!

'''Preliminary Finding:''' It seems that there is no clear preference for certain print options. These options are used in many different combinations when looking at the whole user base, but each user itself uses only a few "sets" of own printing options. So this might be an indicator to support pre-defined and custom defined printer presets. This proposal has been backed up by the work of Peter (Linux OpenPrinting workgroup) with whom I had a short email discussion concerning this topic.

=== Competitive Analysis ===

Please note that although we do competitive analysis, we won't publish too many information here, e.g. screenshots due to legal restrictions. If you are interested in a special program, then try to search for images in your favorite internet search. In 99% of all cases, you will get some pictures and a first idea how it looks like ... and most presumably how it will behave.

Another good approach is to have a look at the official documentation of our supported platforms:
* Apple User Interface Guidelines, [http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGWindows/XHIGWindows.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000961-BACHBHID The Print Dialog]
* Microsoft Windows User Experience Interaction Guidelines, [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511274.aspx Common Dialogs] (scroll down a bit, since the print dialog is not listed in the TOC)
* Linux Common Printing Dialog, [http://wiki.openusability.org/printing/index.php/Specification Linux Printing UI Specification], specification created by the Linux Foundation OpenPrinting workgroup available in the OpenUsability.org wiki
* OpenSolaris, Project: "Presto: Automatic Printing Configuration", [http://opensolaris.org/os/project/presto/Documents/GUI/ UI Prototypes], contains some information about the Print Dialog

Please refer to the page [[Printerpullpages/Competitive_Analysis|Competitive Analysis]]. It collects information on special applications or general printing dialogs.

=== Requirements List ===

The following list contains the most important requirements to get started. Okay, these aren't real requirements, it is more like a what-feature-is-generally-desired list.

* The new print functionality shall provide an native print dialog. As an alternative, a system independent print dialog is used.
* The new print dialog shall provide all application specific print options which are necessary for most printing tasks.
* The new print dialog shall provide a print preview. The visualization is updated immediately if print options are changed (immediately: time until final visualization <= 500 ms).

=== Technical Constraints ===
The following list contains the most important technical constraints which will have impact on the final interaction and dialog design.

* Options: Especially the application specific options have to be "compatible" to be used in the native print dialogs. This refers to the overall number (space restrictions in the native print dialogs), the organization (it should be possible to define property groups), controls (limited use of graphical UI controls), layout (layouting is limited to what the operating system provides), ...
* Size: Since printing is an ordinary task, the dialog should be usable on computers with low screen resolution (e.g. Netbooks with 576px height) and large screens (e.g. PCs)
* GUI elements:
** Non-standard controls: Since printing will provide some visual output, it is strongly desirable to use graphical controls (e.g. for the print order). Especially for embedding of application specific print options into native print dialogs this might cause problems, since a) it might be impossible, or b) it might create additional effort for porting.
** Element "Group Box": Since OpenOffice.org 2.2 group boxes have been replaced by simple horizontal or vertical lines to divide dialogs. As a result, these group boxes aren't themed at the moment (themed: adapted to the visual style of the graphical user interface of certain operating systems).
* Layout: Currently, there is no GUI layout manager available which resizes all dialog elements according the size of the screen and the size of each of the dialog's objects. Consequence: Static dialog layout which considers the space requirements for other languages.
* Mac OS X Compatibility: OpenOffice.org is made to run on a variety of Mac OS X versions. Some of those provide a different feature set with regard to printing, so that there is a need for a compromise to satisfy most of the users.
** 10.4 (Tiger): Application specific options can be integrated in the native print dialog, but there is no print preview available.
** 10.5 (Leopard): Application specific can be integrated in the native print dialog, and a print preview can be made available.

=== Definition of Terms ===

Definitions for the use on this wiki page and the specification. They might be different to the final user interface terminology.

{| class="prettytable"
! Term
! Description

|-
| System Independent Print Dialog
| A print dialog that is independent from the underlying operating system, since it is provided by OpenOffice.org. This dialog is used if either the native print dialog is not available or the user explicitly wants to use it instead of the native one. Besides the application specific options, it is required for the print dialog to handle also: printer selection, printer status text, print to file, copy count, collate, N-up printing

|-
| Native Print Dialog
| The native print dialog is the one provided by the operating system, e.g. Mac OS X. The advantage is the visual and behavioral consistency among all applications on the platform, but there are also technical constraints which limit the flexibility of the design.

|-
| Application Specific Print Options
| OpenOffice.org consists of several modules optimized for certain document types, e.g. word processing (Writer) or spreadsheet editing (Calc). For each of the document types the user may require special options which do only make sense with regard to a certain document type (e.g. printing of Notes). Most of these options are today (OpenOffice.org <= 3.1) available in the print options dialog and the tools options settings pages.

|-
| N-up printing
| N-up printing refers to multiple page printing, so that more than one document page (created in the application) is printed on the real paper page. Usually the user selects the number of pages to be printed, e.g. 2 on 1.

|-
| Print Preview
| A preview of what the document will look like when printed out. Therefore this preview should take as much as available print options into account. The print preview is given in the print dialog and therefore complements the page preview available in the file menu in some applications.
|}

== Design Proposals and Idea Collection==

* Please refer to the page [[Printerpullpages/Design_Proposals|Design Proposals]]. Based on requirements, it collects design proposals and rates them - maybe some of the proposals get integrated into OpenOffice.org.
* Please refer to the page [[Printerpullpages/Idea_Collection|Idea Collection]]. It collects ideas which may later get evaluated and even integrated. You are invited to '''add your ideas'''!
* N-Up printing is new for other modules than Writer and for Writer it might change. So a specification is needed, how N-Up printing should work. See [[Printerpullpages/N-Up Printing|draft specification of N-Up printing]] for suggestions and issues.

== Final Design ==

* Please refer to the page [[Printerpullpages/History_of_Design_Development|History of Design Development]]. It contains the history of the design development of the Printing Dialog. Thus, you can see how the design evolved over time.
* Please refer to the page [[Printerpullpages/String_Reviews|String Reviews]]. It is meant for the string reviews and discussions concerning the translation.

=== System Independent Printing Dialog ===

==== Application Independent Design Decisions ====

This section summarizes the basic design ideas which should be as consistent as possible for all the OpenOffice.org applications.

* General structure of the printing dialog:
** Structure options in tabs: We finally decided to use tabs, since the combination of "no layout manager" and the sheer number of options make it impossible to implement a behavior like on Apple Mac OS X. This would have been desirable, since the elements currently available in tab "General" would have been accessible all the time - without changing tabs.
** Print Preview: The design decisions are described on the Design Proposals page.
** Layout: We tried to respect as much as possible when it comes to the dialog design guidelines for OpenOffice.org.

* Tab "General": The goal of this tab was to present the most important elements together. Besides this huge advantage, some people might be slightly confused what is available where - the "General" tab also presents application specific information which might be expected under the application specific tabs.
** Group "Printer":
*** The design generally respects the "Microsoft Windows User Experience Interaction Guidelines". Reasons: a) the printer selection is improved for people having only few printing sinks (e.g. printer, PDF creator, fax), b) the largest part of our current user base still uses Microsoft Windows so we are consistent - for the other platforms there might be native printing dialogs in later versions.
*** The button "Preferences..." has originally been introduced to open the driver own printer settings on Microsoft Windows. For Linux still our own "automatically" created dialog will be opened; it may later be possible to move the settings to a more accessible place inside our dialog. For the Mac OS X platform there is no printer settings dialog - the button can be easily omitted to let the dialog look more clear.
** Group "Printer details": The printer details are hidden since in many cases, a) the information isn't required (private users) and b) the information isn't provided (due to operating system, printing system and given settings). Then, we reduced the number of details since this was a very old design decision to respect each operating system with its different information. Other reasons are given on the wiki page Design Ideas.
** Group "Range and copies": Slightly improved layout which is based on the original printing dialog, since we have to respect our existing user base. Combined "Range" and "Copies" to let it appear less cluttered.
** Group "Print": Presents the most important print content settings for each application. This has been a requirement by the application owners, since the experience shows that most people aren't aware of the capabilities.

* Tab "OpenOffice.org ''Application''": The options of all applications have been classified according to their meaning. For details please refer to the page Analysis of the Current State of Printing (OpenOffice 3.1). The following groups have been defined and are used in the given order - but only if there are any options to show.
** Group "Contents": Contains fine grained settings for enabling/disabling contents. The former options have been improved in their naming and analyzed for their usage frequency. As a result, some of them have been merged or omitted.
** Group "Color": All color related settings can be found here.
** Group "Size": Size related settings of either single objects or the whole print page are available here.
** Group "Pages": Anything which might have impact on adding/removing whole pages is located here. The only exception are the settings for "right/front / left/back" page sides which is rather used for the Page Layout.

* Tab "Page Layout": These options do mostly relate to the new N-up printing feature. Since it was pretty hard to find a sufficient interaction concept, you may also be interested in details at the page Analysis of the Current State of Printing (OpenOffice 3.1).
** Group "Layout": This group merges the new N-up printing, brochure printing and the previously "Writer only" feature "Print Options Page View" and the new "add border" feature. In contrast to previous versions, there is a simple interface and custom settings:
*** Simple: Most people "just" want to print, so we introduced pre-defined "pages per sheet" which also automatically sets the page orientation. The values for margins and borders (see below) are both 0, since we assume the following: people will mainly use that feature in Writer, they want unscaled (or maximum sized) output, document page margins are usually defined so that the output won't be trimmed. I'm sure that 99% of all usage scenarios are covered with this simple interface. Additionally, there is an option for brochure printing which is a special case of "N-up" for certain applications.
*** Custom: The selection "custom" provides fine grained settings which have been possible with the "Print Options Page View" - but now for all applications. One exception, we merged some of the settings which control the margins to the page border and the distance between the pages - faster and more usable, we hope. When switching from "simple" to "custom" mode, the current settings of "simple" will be used (distance, margin) to explain what is going on in "simple" mode. To balance the quality of information and the overall tab group layout, we had to split the captions for the margin and distance control - we hope this will work well for all the languages.
** Group "Page sides": Each application introduced new names and other behavior to select what page sides ("right/front / left/back") should be printed. We merged this into a dropdown and tried to improve the naming to better communicate what e.g. "left page" in Writer means.

* Tab "Options": This tab summarizes all less frequent used options whose setting may be desired to be persistent to some extend. Sorry for the name, we lacked a better alternative :-) The upper two options are available in all applications, the lower two only for selected applications.
** Element "Print to file": Due to the low usage rate, the options has been moved here. Since this setting isn't visible when an other tab page is active, the print button states either "Print to file..." or "Print". Some details have also been discussed on the talk page of the main printerpullpages wiki site.

==== Application Specific Design Decisions ====

This section summarizes the application specific print options. These options are mainly based on the ones found in previous versions of OpenOffice.org. If possible, they have been improved.

* Writer:
** Tab "General": We moved the "Notes" to the group "Print" since it may be used for "reviewer" comments/changes in general (later version of OOo).
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Writer": Number of options reduced, but the flexibility is mainly kept.

* Impress:
** Tab "General": For the group "Print", the current design finally makes it possible to select the document defined handout design ({{bug|94055}}). For the custom handout selection, we had to remove the preview due to space restrictions. Hopefully, the new Print Preview is sufficient.
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Impress":
*** Most of the options have been improved - naming, merged functionality, ...
*** Group "Size": Here, there are some really good improvements. Since it has been decided to get rid of the modal warning dialog (Warning Print Options Dialog (Title "Warning Print Options")), we were able to a) provide the setting "Original size" to directly chose the (former) trim (which now will make it possible to pre-select this entry in Tools - Options to avoid the warning dialog), b) added the setting "Distribute on multiple pages" here (which also was only available in the modal warning dialog). That design let us also get rid of "Default" - which isn't that self-explaining.
* Draw: In General, Draw is very similar to Impress. Differences are e.g. the terminology "Page" instead of "Slide".
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Draw": Removed the option "Hidden pages" which makes only sense in Impress - it isn't available in Draw. That solves an issue existent in former versions of OpenOffice.org.
* Calc:
** Tab "General":
*** The naming of the print range selection has been improved - there was an issue about that. Now, we slightly "violate" the OpenOffice.org dialog design directives by removing a group line for "Thereof print", because it is closely related to the upper "Range and copies".
*** Group "Print" not required.
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Calc": Number of options reduced by 50%! Now there is one remaining option. :-)
* Math:
** Tab "General": Group "Print" not required.
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Math": Removed one very old compatibility option. Naming improved to better fit to the names already used in the help.
** Tab "Page Layout": Does not exist, since we already print only one page. If this changes, then we might re-add it.

=== Native Printing Dialog ===

'''The following description is a first draft and may change.'''

This section describes the native print dialog for Mac OS X.

==== General structure of the printing dialog ====
* Mac OS X enables the software to present own sub-groups (Apple calls them features) for the application settings. It has been decided to use add only one to ensure proper distinguishability. The name will be "OpenOffice.org" ($PRODUCTNAME)
* The sub-group will contain the print preview and the print options:
** The print preview is located on the left. The design of the print preview should be identical to the one in the system independent print dialog.
** The print options are located on the right. They have to consider additional requirements caused by being located in a native print dialog. The print options are presented in tabs. The tabs and the grouping of the print options will be very similar to the ones in the system independent print dialog to ensure consistency (e.g. to the corresponding help texts).
*** General
*** OpenOffice.org ''Application''
*** Page Layout
* Some of the options are not required anymore, since the native print dialog - and therefore the native print system - will handle that for itself:
** Tab "Page Layout": No use of everything related to "pages per sheet".
** Tab "Options": None of the options required.

==== Application Specific Design Decisions ====
* Writer:
** Tab "General": Refer to the system independent print dialog description
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Writer": Refer to the system independent print dialog description
** Tab "Page Layout":
*** Brochure incl. Order
*** Include
* Impress:
** Tab "General": Refer to the system independent print dialog description
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Draw": Refer to the system independent print dialog description
** Tab "Page Layout":
*** Brochure incl. Order
*** Include
* Draw:
** Tab "General": Not available, since no print option is available
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Draw": Refer to the system independent print dialog description
** Tab "Page Layout":
*** Brochure incl. Order
*** Include
* Calc:
** Tab "General": '''tbd''' (Open Questions: How to handle range and copies referring to sheets?)
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Calc": Refer to the system independent print dialog description
** Tab "Page Layout": Not available, since no print option is available
* Math:
** Tab "General": Not available, since no print option is available
** Tab "OpenOffice.org Math": Refer to the system independent print dialog description --> Please note that it might be better to provide a non-tab grouping only. There is only one group, so a tab doesn't make sense.
** Tab "Page Layout": Not available, since no print option is available

==== Open Points ====
* All: Would it be better to merge all "General" and "OpenOffice.org ''Application''" tabs? Although the General tabs are very clear for Writer and Impress, some applications do not feature this kind of tab. That results in only sometimes showing tab "General" - may appear weird to the user...
* All: Is the tab name "General" sufficient, because in the System Independent Print Dialog there are also settings now provided by the native print dialog. Wouldn't it be better to use the group name ("Print", currently in discussion).
* All: How to group the elements, e.g. in the Page Layout tab page with fewer elements?
* Impress/Draw: Is it possible to deactivate the size settings for brochure printing?
* Calc: Definition of tab "General" is missing.

=== Workflow Design Decision ===

As discussed in the section [[Printerpullpages/Current_State_of_Printing_OOo31#Workflow_Analysis|Workflow Analysis (wiki page Current State of Printing in OpenOffice.org 3.1]] the workflows aren't that optimal in certain circumstances. Changes:

* '''Changing''' the default for "Warning Transparency Dialog (Title „Warning“)": The default setting for showing the transparency warning will be changed from "true" to "false". The option itself will be kept.
** Rationale: As discussed in the workflow analysis, the warning dialog is undesired. Initially, there also has been User Feedback data which has discussed at [http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2009/06/transparent-decision-making.html Transparent Decision Making] to judge whether it is required or not. Some weeks later, a lot of new data has been analyzed and it has been discovered that the feedback system does not provide all required numbers. Although many effort has gone into getting this data, we lack final results. Nevertheless, we think that the benefit for most users will compensate the potential issues mentioned below. Since the option itself is kept, we can test this behavior thoroughly.
** Potential issues: Longer printing times (e.g. in networks), increased size of data "printed to file",

* '''Removing''' "Warning Print Options Dialog (Title "Warning Print Options")": The dialog itself and the option to enable/disable the warning will be removed.
** Rationale: The warning dialog is undesired and - in certain circumstances - cannot be avoided by setting the corresponding size settings in advance. Wit the current development, we feature the Print Preview (user can check for problems) and improved size settings.
** Potential issues: If users print directly (without using the dialog), some of them might print the data in the wrong size, since there is no Print Preview to check the output in advance.

The warning dialogs referred to can be found in the section [[Printerpullpages/Current_State_of_Printing_OOo31#Various_Printer_Warning_Dialogs|Various Printer Warning Dialogs (wiki page Current State of Printing in OpenOffice.org 3.1]].

=== Other Decisions ===

* '''Changing''' the position of the option "Fax" in Writer. It doesn't make sense to select it in the print dialog, so that it will be kept in the Tools - Options dialog only. (Discussion by Philipp and Christoph in an early mail...)
* '''Removing''' the "Orientation warning" in the Tools - Options dialog. It was not possible to "force" the warning to appear. (Discussion of Philip and Christoph, phone call 2009-07-13)

== Status and Roadmap ==

=== Current State ===

* The development happens since quite a few months. Originally planned for OpenOffice.org 3.2 it had to be delayed to 3.3 to provide a sufficient quality. Sorry!
* '''Development versions:''' Development versions can be found at [ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/printerpullpages/ ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/printerpullpages/]
* '''Issue Tracker''': All issues referring to “printerpullpages” in the summary or the comments will be listed with [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?issue_type=DEFECT&issue_type=ENHANCEMENT&issue_type=FEATURE&issue_type=PATCH&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&issue_status=RESOLVED&issue_status=VERIFIED&issue_status=CLOSED&email1=&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=exact&emailreporter2=1&issueidtype=include&issue_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwords&issue_file_loc=&issue_file_loc_type=fulltext&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=fulltext&keywords=&keywords_type=anytokens&field0-0-0=short_desc&type0-0-0=anywords&value0-0-0=printerpullpages&field0-0-1=longdesc&type0-0-1=anywords&value0-0-1=printerpullpages&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&Submit+query=Submit+query Extended Issue Tracker Query]
* '''Issue Prioritization''': The separate wiki page [[Printerpullpages/Issue_Prioritization|Issue Prioritization]] collects and rates usability issues. In certain cases, the Issue Tracker is sub-optional with regard to importance of issues.
* '''EIS''': The [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/EIS EIS] entry for “printerpullpages” is located at [http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.ShowCWS?Path=DEV300%2Fprinterpullpages http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.ShowCWS?Path=DEV300%2Fprinterpullpages]
* '''Mercurial Repository''': The web based Mercurial repository can be found here [http://hg.services.openoffice.org/cws/printerpullpages/ http://hg.services.openoffice.org/cws/printerpullpages/]
* More: Have a look at [[#Online_Discussion.2C_Press_Coverage_and_Comments|Online Discussion, Press Coverage and Comments]].

=== OpenOffice.org 3.3 ===

* System Independent Printing Dialog: Provide a cleaned up and well described system independent printing dialog with new features for [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33 OpenOffice.org 3.3].
* Native Printing Dialog for Mac OS X: Provide cleaned up printer options for Mac OS X.
* Basic workflow improvements ("Warning Print Options Dialog (Title "Warning Print Options")", "Warning Transparency Dialog (Title „Warning“)")

=== OpenOffice.org Later ===

If there are interesting ideas how to further improve printing in OpenOffice.org, then the development might continue for future version of OpenOffice.org.
* Native Printing Dialog for GTK: Philipp said that Caolan, a guy working for RedHat, offered some help to bind the native print dialog in Gnome (GTK). He already blogged about that since quite a long time: [http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2005/07/28/gnomeprintui/ 2005-07-28 gnomeprintui], [http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2009/07/23/new-print-dialog/ 2009-07-23 New Print Dialog].
* Native Printing Dialog for Linux: Work with the people from the Linux Foundation OpenPrinting workgroup. First contact has been established since 2009-07-09 with Till and Peter.
* Old Stuff: Solve the remaining issues described on our page [[Printerpullpages/Current_State_of_Printing_OOo31|Current State of Printing (OpenOffice.org 3.1)]].
* New Stuff: Evaluate new ideas based on our page [[Printerpullpages/Idea_Collection|Idea Collection]].

== Help for Contributors ==

=== Help & Translation ===

The behavior of the printing dialog has been changed - and so did many of the strings and descriptions.

* An overview what has been changed is given at [[#Final_Design|Final Design]]. Worth reading :-)
* If you want to judge how much space is left for the translated strings, please have a look at the [[Printerpullpages/History_of_Design_Development#Current_Design_Mockup|Current Design Mockup]].
* The string reviews and the corresponding discussions are documented at [[Printerpullpages/String_Reviews|String Reviews]]
* Please do '''NOT''' use the terminology listed at [[Printerpullpages#Definition_of_Terms|Definition of Terms]], since it is for development only.
* Additional information of former options are given in the Calc spreadsheet document at [[Printerpullpages/Current_State_of_Printing_OOo31#Source_Data|Source Data]]. Please note that it is currently a bit dated - the Current Design Proposal and the String Review are currently used.

Please note:
* The dialog for MacOS X (Native Print Dialog) may contain a different distribution of options in comparison to the System Independent Print Dialog.
* The former printing dialog (e.g. OOo 3.1) did not provide a help button and provided help only in the separate print options dialog window. Now, the print dialog and the options are merged and the new help is opened from within the print dialog - this is a different context from the user's point of view.

Please tell us if you miss any important information!

=== QA ===

Many things changed in this CWS, so - to everyone - please consider to do "real world testings" with the new printing system. Thanks!

* An overview what has been changed is given at [[#Final_Design|Final Design]]. Worth reading :-)
* Current development builds and links to an issue query can be found at [[Printerpullpages#Current_State|Current State]].
* Issue template which can be used for new issues at [http://www.openoffice.org/issues/enter_bug.cgi?issue_type=DEFECT;subcomponent=ui;form_name=enter_issue;cc=jsk;issue_file_loc=http%3A%2F%2F;reporter=christophnoack;op_sys=All;maketemplate=Remember%20values%20as%20bookmarkable%20template;comment=;version=DEV300m61;component=framework;priority=P3;assigned_to=pl;short_desc=%5BCWS%20printerpullpages%5D%20;rep_platform=All|CWS Printerpullpages Issue Template] (Component framework, UI, Assigned to pl, CC to jsk, Summary [CWS Printerpullpages], version DEV300m61)

Please tell us if you miss any important information!

== Test case specifications ==

Please find Test case specifications [[PppTestCases|here]]

== Mockups and Screenshots ==

This section contains mockups and screenshots:
* ''Mockups'' are working models used for demonstration purposes. There is no real functionality at all, because the following pictures have been composed with graphic programs just to get a first impression how it will look like.
* ''Screenshots'' show the behavior of the real development in OpenOffice.org. Those pictures are updated more or less regularly.

{| class="prettytable" border="0"
|-
| [[Image:printerpullpages_nup_current.png|512px|thumb|center]]
| Screenshot showing the current state of the N-Up tab page in the system independent print dialog.

|-
| [[Image:2009-08-09_PrintingDialog_SomehowRealisticVersion.png|512px|thumb|center]]
| Mockup showing the current design of the "General" tab page for Calc. Find more mockups on [[/History of Design Development|History of Design Development]]
|}

== Online Discussion, Press Coverage and Comments ==

*Philipp Lohmann: [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/one_step_forward_the_next One step forward, the next step back], blog posting, 2008-11-11
*Philipp Lohmann: [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_print_ui New Print UI], blog posting, 2009-06-04
*Christoph Noack: [http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2009/06/transparent-decision-making.html Transparent Decision Making], blog posting, 2009-06-13
*Philipp Lohmann: [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/cws_printerpullpages_delayed_to_ooo CWS printerpullpages delayed to OO.o 3.3], blog posting, 2009-09-03
*Christoph Noack: "New Printing UI - Better Printing For OpenOffice.org", OOoCon 2010 presentation ([http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/281 Abstract], [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:2010-09-02_NewPrintingUI-printerpullpages_Noack.odp '''ODP Presentation File''' (recommended)], [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/b/bb/2010-09-02_NewPrintingUI-printerpullpages_Noack.pdf PDF File]), 2010-09-03

[[Category:User_Experience]]

OOoCon2010Stay

2010-08-24T20:53:42Z

ChristophNoack: added silver hotel budapest city center

__NOTOC__ {{DISPLAYTITLE:Where do you stay at OOoCon 2010?}} [[Category:OOoCon2010]] [[Category:OOoCon]]

= Introduction =

In order to plan meetings and have common places to gather together, we'll try to collect all the hotels where OOoCon participants will stay. If it doesn't exist in the list already, please add your hotel and name to the list, if you want to share the information with the public. You can also add your e-mail address and mobile number, if you want people to reach you - the more the merrier ;-)

The OOoCon organizers would like to encourage everyone to add their details to this wiki page. Please note that all information on this wiki is public, and once published, '''cannot''' be removed anymore, not even by the administrators, so be '''careful''' with what you add.

= Stays =

The format of the entries is name, role, e-mail address, mobile phone number, arrival and departure

== Hotel Boutique Bristol, Kenyérmező u. 4. ==

[http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1081+Budapest,+VIII.+ker%C3%BClet,+Keny%C3%A9rmez%C5%91+utca+4,+Ungarn&daddr=1051+Budapest,+N%C3%A1dor+utca+9,+Ungarn&hl=de&geocode=Fd7E1AIdsBgjASkxSDqiYdxBRzHBjYYUAyHm4Q%3BFbXM1AIdoasiASkn0F0LFdxBRzEgEaZnEyeKJQ&mra=ls&sll=47.498068,19.064498&sspn=0.020963,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=47.498648,19.063296&spn=0.020963,0.038581&z=15 Google Map Route to Hotel Boutique Bristol]

*Florian Effenberger, Marketing Project Lead, [mailto:floeff@openoffice.org floeff@openoffice.org], +49 151 14424108, 29-Aug, 4-Sep
*Peter Junge, Marketing Project co-Lead, [mailto:pj@openoffice.org pj@openoffice.org], +49 1578 8615057, 29-Aug, 6-Sep

== Camping Haller, Haller utca 27. ==

[http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Haller+utca&daddr=1051+Budapest,+N%C3%A1dor+utca+9,+Ungarn&hl=de&geocode=Fa9w1AIdKi8jAQ%3BFbXM1AIdoasiASkn0F0LFdxBRzEgEaZnEyeKJQ&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=47.476593,19.0816&sspn=0.010486,0.01929&ie=UTF8&ll=47.489021,19.066257&spn=0.041933,0.077162&z=14 Google Map Route to Camping Haller]

*Stefan Weigel, no rank - not title, [[Special:EmailUser/Stefanw|StefanW]], 31-Aug, 4-Sep

== Hotel Eurostars Center, Kossuth Lajos u. 7-9. ==

[http://maps.google.es/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1051+Budapest,+N%C3%A1dor+utca+9,+Magyarorsz%C3%A1g+(CEU)&daddr=1053+Budapest,+V.+ker%C3%BClet,+Kossuth+Lajos+utca+7,+Hungr%C3%ADa&hl=es&geocode=FbXM1AIdoasiASFviAnhB6gN3Ckn0F0LFdxBRzEgEaZnEyeKJQ%3BFXmy1AIdd8wiASkvQb2ZQ9xBRzGC63PU5eFNQg&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=47.507092,19.066579&sspn=0.246292,0.441513&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16 Google Map Route to Hotel Eurostars Center]

*Manu Arjó, VicePresident Business Development at [http://www.sironta.com Sironta], [mailto:manuel.arjo@sironta.com manuel.arjo@sironta.com], +34 933 535 627, 2-Sep, 3-Sep
*Arthur Buijs, NL.OpenOffice.org Co-Lead, [mailto:arthur@artietee.nl arthur@artietee.nl], +31 (0)654668131, 28-Aug, 3-Sep

== CEU Residence Center ==

[http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1106+Budapest,+Kerepesi+%FAt+87,+Magyarorsz%E1g&daddr=1051+Budapest,+N%E1dor+utca+9,+Magyarorsz%E1g+(CEU)&geocode=Fd_f1AIdMEokASndS7kXqcRBRzEDYtkELVo0bw%3BFbXM1AIdoasiASkn0F0LFdxBRzEgEaZnEyeKJQ&mra=prev&sll=47.499835,19.10243&sspn=0.051608,0.154324&ie=UTF8&z=13 Google Map Route to CEU]

*Andrea Pescetti, Italian N-L Project Lead, pescetti@ooo, - , 31 Aug, 3 Sep
*Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco, BrOffice.org/OpenOffice.org Brazil, [mailto:gbpacheco@openoffice.org gbpacheco@openoffice.org], +555184029927, 29-Aug, 5-Sep
*Leo Moons, Translator/member nl.openoffice.org, Belgian, [mailto:vpanter@openoffice.org vpanter@openoffice.org], +32 475 241646, 30 Aug - 4 Sep
*Cor Nouws, community representative Community Council, marketing nl-OpenOffice.org, owner Nou&Off, Netherlands,[mailto:oolst@nouenoff.nl oolst@nouenoff.nl], + 31 625 207001, 29/30 Aug - 5 Sep
*Samphan Raruenrom, Thai N-L Project Lead, samphan at openoffice.org, 29 Aug - 4 Sep
*Tatat Thanakanok, Thai N-L Project member, tatat at openoffice.org, 29 Aug - 4 Sep
*Jan de Jong, Translator/member nl.openoffice.org, Netherlands, [mailto:pcs-ooo@live.nl pcs-ooo@live.nl] +31623798086, 30 aug - 4 sep
*Javier Sola, KhmerOS Project. Cambodia - 31st Aug - 3 Sep

== Alta Moda Fashion Hotel, 13 Nádor Utca 1051. ==

[http://www.splendia.com/en/alta-moda-fashion-hotel-budapest.html#map Map]

*[http://www4.plala.or.jp/k21/ Katsuya Kobayashi], Marketing Project member, [[Special:EmailUser/kynh|kynh]], , 30-Aug, 4-Sep

== Mercure Budapest Duna, Soroksari ut 12 ==

[http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Mercure+Budapest+Duna&hl=en&cd=1&ei=_bliTLXII5DyObH1mBk&vps=2&jsv=264c&sll=47.4793,19.0684&sspn=1.258326,3.140552&ie=UTF8&lr=lang_pt|lang_en&view=map&cid=15417917116959416148&iwloc=A&ved=0CIkBEKUG&sa=X Map]

*Leif Lodahl, Danish language coord, lodahl@openoffice.org
*Paulo Vilela, Marketing OOo Portugal, [mailto:pvilela@openoffice.org pvilela@openoffice.org], +351912591908, 30-Aug to 3- Sep
*Clayton Cornell, Documentation Project co-lead, [mailto:ccornell@openoffice.org ccornell@openoffice.org], 13 Aug to 03 Sept
*Chao Sun, Architect of Redflag2000, [mailto:sunchao@redoffice.com], 30Aug to 03Sept
*Heng Li, Proformance project co-lead, [mailto:liheng@redoffice.com], 30Aug to 03Sept
*Yu Liu, ODF project developer, [mailto:liuyu@redoffice.com], 30Aug to 03Sept

== Mercure Budapest Buda, Krisztina Korut 41-43 ==

[http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=15227343547741076547&q=Mercure+Budapest+Buda+Krisztina+Korut+41-43+Hungary&hl=en&cd=1&ei=-BtjTI7XGYz8Oajx0dUC&sig2=NO51ehG49IYr2_G81o43Hw&dtab=0&sll=47.4987,19.0272&sspn=0.071946,0.1348&ie=UTF8&ll=47.51523,19.000769&spn=0,0&z=14&iwloc=A Map]

*Dmitri Popov, Freelance contributor, [mailto:dmpop@openoffice.org dmpop@openoffice.org], August 30 - September 3

== Hotel Ambra, Kis Diofa 13 ==

[http://maps.google.it/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=it&geocode=&q=kis+diofa+13,+budapest&sll=47.508853,19.067116&sspn=0.053107,0.168743&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Budapest,+7+ker%C3%BClet,+Kis+Di%C3%B3fa+utca+13,+Ungheria&z=16 Google Map of Location]

*Italo Vignoli, President Associazione PLIO (Italian NLP), [mailto:italo@italovignoli.com italo@italovignoli.com], +39 348 5653829, August 31 - September 4

== InterContinental Budapest Hotel, Apáczai Csere János utca 12-14 ==

*Rob Weir, [mailto:rob@robweir.com rob@robweir.com], +1 978 467 5445, Aug 30th-Sept 4th
*Don Harbison

== Silver Hotel Budapest City Center, VI., Hunyadi tér 11. ==

[http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=Silver+Hotel+Budapest+City+Center+***,+1067+Budapest,+Hunyadi+t%C3%A9r+11.,+Hungary&sll=51.151786,10.415039&sspn=18.620805,52.163086&ie=UTF8&hq=Silver+Hotel+Budapest+City+Center+***,&hnear=1067+Budapest,+VI.+ker%C3%BClet,+Hunyadi+t%C3%A9r+11,+Ungarn&t=h&z=16 Map]

*Christoph Noack, User Experience Project Co-Lead 

[[Category:Marketing]]

Community Council/Calendar

2010-08-24T19:40:19Z

ChristophNoack: added room for ooocon 2010/* Meetings in 2010 */

{{Community_Council}} This page is intended to plan the regular meetings of the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council].

Related pages:

*[[Community Council/Agenda|Agenda]] for the next meeting 
*[[Community Council/Minutes|Minutes]] of previous meetings 

== Meetings in 2010 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day yyyy-mm-dd
! Time hh:mm
! Location
! [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines#Meet_the_Community_Council Public Session]
! Comments 
|-
| 2010-21-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=01&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-04/05
| all day
| Hamburg
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-18
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=02&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-04 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-18 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-01 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-15 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-29 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-05-20
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=20&month=05&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-06-10
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=06&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-22
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| Valid
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-12
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-31
| 16:00 CEST 
|
Budapest,

very likely the room will be "Faculty Tower 609" or abbreviated FT609 ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2682 source]) 

| Proposed
|
*More Information: [http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/cfl/budapest.html Budapest], [http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2010 OOoCon2010]
*CC dinner planned afterwards

|-
| 2010-09-23
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=09&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-10-14
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-04
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-25
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-12-16
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=12&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed
|}

== Meetings in 2009 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day dd-mm
! Time hh:mm
! Location
|-
| 2009-11-03
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2009&hour=15&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 16.30 UTC]
| Orvieto
|-
| 2009-11-26
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=11&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|-
| 2009-12-17
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=12&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|}

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Calendar

2010-08-20T22:19:05Z

ChristophNoack: added more details concerning ooocon

{{Community_Council}} This page is intended to plan the regular meetings of the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council].

Related pages:

*[[Community Council/Agenda|Agenda]] for the next meeting 
*[[Community Council/Minutes|Minutes]] of previous meetings 

== Meetings in 2010 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day yyyy-mm-dd
! Time hh:mm
! Location
! [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines#Meet_the_Community_Council Public Session]
! Comments 
|-
| 2010-21-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=01&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-04/05
| all day
| Hamburg
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-18
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=02&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-04 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-18 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-01 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-15 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-29 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-05-20
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=20&month=05&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-06-10
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=06&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-22
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| Valid
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-12
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-31
| 16:00 CEST 
| Budapest, Room ???
| Proposed
|
*More Information: [http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/cfl/budapest.html Budapest], [http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2010 OOoCon2010]
*CC dinner planned afterwards

|-
| 2010-09-23
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=09&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-10-14
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-04
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-25
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-12-16
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=12&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed
|}

== Meetings in 2009 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day dd-mm
! Time hh:mm
! Location
|-
| 2009-11-03
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2009&hour=15&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 16.30 UTC]
| Orvieto
|-
| 2009-11-26
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=11&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|-
| 2009-12-17
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=12&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|}

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Calendar

2010-08-20T22:11:10Z

ChristophNoack: corrected a date /* Meetings in 2010 */

{{Community_Council}} This page is intended to plan the regular meetings of the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council].

Related pages:

*[[Community Council/Agenda|Agenda]] for the next meeting 
*[[Community Council/Minutes|Minutes]] of previous meetings 

== Meetings in 2010 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day yyyy-mm-dd
! Time hh:mm
! Location
! [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines#Meet_the_Community_Council Public Session]
! Comments 
|-
| 2010-21-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=01&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-04/05
| all day
| Hamburg
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-18
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=02&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-04 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-18 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-01 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-15 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-29 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-05-20
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=20&month=05&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-06-10
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=06&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-22
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| Valid
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-12
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-31
| to be discussed
| Budapest
| Proposed
| Proposed. More Information: [http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/cfl/budapest.html Budapest], [http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2010 OOoCon2010]
|-
| 2010-09-23
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=09&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-10-14
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-04
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-25
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-12-16
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=12&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed
|}

== Meetings in 2009 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day dd-mm
! Time hh:mm
! Location
|-
| 2009-11-03
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2009&hour=15&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 16.30 UTC]
| Orvieto
|-
| 2009-11-26
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=11&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|-
| 2009-12-17
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=12&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|}

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-08-12T19:59:41Z

ChristophNoack: Updated 2010-04-29#2 /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-08-12 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-24 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-22|Minutes#2010-07-22]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Juergen 
| 2010-08-12 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.
*Updated the meeting guidelines and change the name of our public session, [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Meet_the_Community_Council|Meet the Community Council]]. Add a note for a public reminder and provide an initial template for the reminder ([[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines/Public Invitation Reminder Template|Public Invitation Reminder Template]]).

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Few projects agree to respond to the interview for the NLC project of the month. This month the Hungarian team will be highlighted for obvious reasons, and in September the Italian community is scheduled. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-22 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.
**Cor send a mail on 2010-08-12 with some items for the agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-08-12 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
**2010-08-12: Marketing contact is in vacation, and information also depends on others at Oracle. More information defitively to come at the OOoCon, presentation "[http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/215 Brand Refresh and new Brand Initiative]". 
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-07-24T14:33:57Z

ChristophNoack: Update /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-08-12 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-24 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-22|Minutes#2010-07-22]] 
*Result: (to be confirmed)

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Juergen 
| 2010-07-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-22 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-07-22 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Minutes

2010-07-24T14:32:12Z

ChristophNoack: Update 2010-07-24 /* Minutes */

{{Community_Council}}
= Minutes of Meetings =

== 2010-07-22 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100722]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| ''none'' 
| Questions-and-Answers 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*30 min Public Questions-and-Answers Session has been done, see [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20100722#Public_Questions-and-Answers_Session meeting minutes] 

|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-01|Minutes#2010-07-01]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Juergen 
| 2010-07-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-22 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-22
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Finalized. Andreas Bartel has been elected. Congratulations :-) 
*Next steps: None 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-07-22 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

== 2010-07-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100701]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-06-10|Minutes#2010-06-10]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin -> Jüergen 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 
*transferred to Jürgen

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Finalized 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Jürgen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Jürgen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-01 
|
* What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
* proposed to work on in Budapest. All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to officially step in. 
* finalized, Jürgen Schmidt is the new coordinator
|}

 

== 2010-06-10 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100610]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
* The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
* AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship 
| Finalized 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Original topic: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC. We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program had been worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members were asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23. Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor joined the discussion to work on a proposal.
*The OpenOffice.org Internship Programme has been officially announced on several channels, e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=418 a mail on the announce-list].
*Result: In the CC meeting it has been decided to mark this item "finalized".

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-08 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-07#1
| Do not promote proprietary software through the OpenOffice.org extensions library
| Rejected
|   (none)
| 2010-05-20
|
*Source: User "Juca" added this item 2010-05-07.
*OpenOffice.org is free software, but some of the extensions it offers to the users are proprietary. OpenOffice.org extensions library should not promote proprietary extensions. 
*Result: The Council already discussed this issue due to a request by the FSF. The reply can be found [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=417 here].

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to step in. 

|}

== 2010-05-20 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100520]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-04-29 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100429]]

=== Minutes ===

Note: Council members didn't update their actions items appropriately. If you have doubts, please have a look at the IRC Log (above).

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-15|Minutes#2010-04-15]] 
*Result: Minutes have been approved.

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Finalized 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Voting phase has been finished. Two of the three candidates have been confirmed. Final result is available here: [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]]. 
**Follow-up action item 2010-04-23#1 to decide how to deal with the unconfirmed "Product Development Representative". 
**According to meeting 2010-04-01: Christoph will update the Election Process bylaw once the current election is over. The change will describe the exclusive use of dedicated tooling for the voting, e.g. LimeSurvey. The version of the bylaw will be changed from 1.0 to 1.1. 
*Result 2010-04-29: Item has been finalized.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
|   Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Initial situation: In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. How to proceed?
*Proposal: Re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Result: All agreed to proposal.
*Next steps:
**Christoph will create a new wiki page for the elections 2010-05.
**Elections itself will be started as soon as possible.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
| Missing OOo desktop presence
| New 
|   ??? 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community.
**Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
*Next steps: Christoph will forward the request to council-discuss. 

|-
| 2010-04-29#3
| CC Meetings Calendar
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Two months ago, the CC decided to meet each 2 weeks instead of 3 for a "test period". Now there is a need to decide how to continue and to update the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar CC meeting calender] page.
*Result: We proceed with the 3 weeks schedule for the next meetings.
*Next steps: [[Community Council/Calendar|CC meeting calender]] has been updated. 

|}

== 2010-04-15 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100415]]

=== Minutes ===

To be done (hopefully). In the meantime, you may refer to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Agenda&oldid=162224 Agenda and Work status page (2010-04-01)].

== 2010-04-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100401]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-03-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100318]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*No meeting minutes available for 2010-03-04 
*Instead, all agreed on the minutes log [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Accepted 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Mail for nominations have been done; several nominations received. 
*Next phase, introduction of the nominees, will be started.
*Overall status can be tracked at [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]].
*Next steps: Christoph will announce the next phase "introduction". 

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*All CC members are asked to comment the proposal on the CC mailing list.
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Reminder to keep an eye how to provide consistency for the different pieces. Will be discussed with Clayton. 
*Next steps: Ongoing discussion on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles is asked to provide updates on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#8 
| New template for CC meetings 
| Finalized 
| Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Current proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. 
*Everyone (except Leif, deputy of Charles) voted to use it from now on. Charles may add comments in the next few days, if required.
*Next steps: Christoph will update the minutes according the new template. Accepted proposal will be moved to a more "official" wiki page. Announcement to be made on the CC mailing list.

|-
| 2010-03-04#9 
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias 
| Finalized 
| John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in last meeting.
*Next steps: none

|-
| 2010-03-04#10 
| Confirm/discuss [[Community Council/Calendar|proposed dates]] for future council meetings 
| Finalized 
| All 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in some of the previous meetings.
*Reminder: Request confirmation for future dates (e.g. end of April 2010)
*Next steps: none 

|-
| 2010-03-04#11 
| Trademark 
| Rejected 
| Stefan 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No updates; will be rejected for now. 
*Next steps: Stefan will re-open this item when a revised policy is available.

|}

== 2010-03-04 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

=== Minutes ===

Minutes and action items are not available.

=== Agenda Items ===

Since no meeting minutes are available, the original agenda will be used instead.

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Due Date
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| All 
| 
| See [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-02-18|Community_Council/Minutes#2010-02-18]]. 
|-
| 1 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| 
|
2010-03-03: Louis sent the mail for nomination on 2010-02-27. The nomination phase will end 2010-03-15 15 at 24:00 UTC. 

Next Steps: ???

|-
| 2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| 
|-
| 3 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| 
|-
| 4
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*back to rework on a new proposal how to move forward
*Based on a further talk with Clayton Juergen has sent out a new idea of a bounty program on the discuss@council.openoffice.org mailing list. The main idea of it is to define many smaller and more fine grained projects and make them publicly available. Each projects will be honored with a appropriate amount of money depending on the project. For more details see the email. 

|-
| 5
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 8
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. It has been refined to make working with it easier and more efficient. Basically, it is now a continuous table which can be sorted according to several status labels. Originally, I proposed to use different sections to markup the status of action items. Additionally, the proposal to move the "record date" to the action item ID has been incorporated. Please review the proposal - or even better - accept it :-) 

Next Steps:

*If accepted, then the current agenda wiki page will be transformed to respect the proposed format. Additionally, the content of the "Proposed Improvements" page will be moved to a more "official" place.
*If rejected, then ...nothing.
*JSC: +1

|-
| 9
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
Next Step: John will work on that until the next meeting. 

|-
| 10
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| 2010-03-04 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Next Steps: None planned. 

|-
| 11 
| Trademark
| Stefan 
| 
|
Next Step: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

== 2010-02-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

List of attendees and IRC log can be found here: [[Community Council Log 20100218]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Status
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| - 
| Approved 
| 
|-
| 1 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| Louis
| Done
|
List of events interesting for OpenOffice.org available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Events#Year_2010 Events, Year 2010]. From now on, it needs to be completed by MarCon.

|-
| 2 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| In progress 
|
Louis is currently preparing the initial email "New election for Community Council". A second draft is already available and feedback has already been provided. 

Next Steps: 

*Louis is asked to send the initial email - if its ready. 
*Christoph will have a look at the election process and (support to) trigger the next steps. 

|-
| 3 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 4 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 5
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| In progress
|
Clayton has send a first draft to council-discuss ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2454 Draft of the Community Council proposal to hire a Tech Writer]), we need some confirmation how to proceed keeping the proposed quote in mind. 

Discussion: 

*The costs are estimated to be roughly 40 K USD. It has been agreed that this seems to be a realistic estimation and maintainability is a very important question. 
*These costs do not fit in any currently planned budget. Some proposals were made how this work might be split / separated to get more manageable pieces (in terms of budget). But it has also been raised that it might only make sense if it is worked on the full documentation. 
*It has been agreed that - before any further decision can be made - all people should have a closer look at Clayton's proposal. 

Next Steps: 

*All CC members will have a closer look at the proposal (link above). (Added by Christoph: Everybody is free to provide proposals how to proceed.) 
*A funding proposal request has to be worked out for the the next meeting. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| In progress 
|
John has sent a mail to the Google representative Leslie Hawthorn a couple of days ago. We are waiting for an answer.

Discussion: It has been raised that the applications for "would-be mentoring applications" is open from 2010-03-08 to 2010-03-12 ([http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f source]). 

Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| In progress 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 8
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| In progress 
|
Announcement has been made on the NLC list. One "volunteer" project found for the first month month, the Irish Gaelic project. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*John did also inform the responsible for the OpenOffice.org Newsletter (Kay Koll) to use some information from the Community Council minutes. 
*The question was raised how to support Kay to ensure valid information. Sophie stated that usually the newsletter draft is reviewed. 

Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 9
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| John
| Done 
|
Request has been discussed with the Hungarian OOoCon team and with MarCon. The proposal that the MP should set up a 'permanent' arrangement for video for all OOoCons may need finance - probably next year's budget though. The Marketing Project is still discussing if this is a better approach. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*Short discussion of whether the location of the OOoCons should be fixed or not. A comparison has been made to FOSDEM. 
*The action item will be closed, because the Marketing Project is aware of this issue. 

|-
| 10
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| Louis
| Done 
| Louis sent the mail and the FSF (Peter Brown) already replied. 
|-
| 11
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
Some of the proposals from the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg have been summarized. Work on a draft has been started. It is available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements]. 

Discussion: 

*Cor estimated this work to be close-to-final. 
*A discussion on how to name the Action Items. The basic requirement is to identify the "age" of the items. Several proposals have been made. 

Next Steps: 

*Everybody will have a look at the draft and provide feedback (if required). 
*Christoph will finalize the proposal and present it in the next meeting to officially accept or reject it. 

|-
| 12
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
No update. John will work on that until the next meeting. 

Remark: The budget has already been accepted in the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg.

|-
| 13
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
A first proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Discussion:

*According to Stefan the need for information might be higher during the next months.
*It has been proposed to change the schedule so that the Community Council meetings will be held each two weeks. This applies to the meetings in the next two months to check if this is applicable.
*Some people expressed the demand to reduce the meeting time to about one hour.

Next Step: Christoph will re-work the proposed dates and inform the Community Council members. 

|-
|
| Update of the OpenOffice.org logo and the branding initiative
| -
|
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion:

*Two proposals have been presented to the branding working group.
*A due date has been proposed to finalize the effort.

|-
|
| Trademark
| -
|
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

 

== 2010-02-04/05 (F2F Meeting in Hamburg) ==

=== Attendees ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Name
! Initials (not the OOo user name)
|-
| Martin Hollmichel
| MHo
|-
| Matthias Huetsch
| MHu
|-
| Cor Nouws
| CNou
|-
| Christoph Noack
| CN
|-
| Louis Suarez-Potts
| LS-P
|-
| Charles-H. Schulz
| C-HS
|-
| John McCreesh
| JPMcC
|-
| Stefan Taxhet
| ST
|-
| Jürgen Schmidt
| JS
|}

=== Minutes ===

==== Status Updates from CC Sponsored Activities ====

'''Trademark Policy'''

ST reported that the draft trademark policy was being reviewed by Sun Legal, but no major changes were expected.

'''Developing developers'''

''The CC welcomed Clayton Cornell for this item'' 

The CC discussed three areas where documentation could be improved: 

*how-to get into core development (technical) 
*how-to engage in the community development process (people) 
*how-to get into extension development (technical) 

There was a discussion on the merits of traditional paper-based documentation versus webinars etc for each of these. 

The CC agreed to focus on extensions, possibly based on Per’s current work with Kai on a gallery extension. Clayton was actioned to come back with a budgetary estimate for the work.

The CC agreed to talk to Google to see whether the Oracle takeover meant that OOo would be accepted this year for the Summer of Code exercise. If not, the CC should press on with its own internship exercise.

'''Pootle Infrastructure'''

''The CC welcomed Rafaella Braconi for this item''

*A new Pootle sys admin was now in place and was actively managing the system
*Some background scripts had been removed. Feedback from the engineers was that performance of Pootle was not hardware constrained.
*the latest version of Pootle would be installed as soon as OOo 3.2 was released

Overall the position had stabilised. Engagement with the Pootle developers was good. We should look to get feedback from the community again in Q2 after the software upgrade. The CC would be willing to help the Pootle team carry out developments to meet OOo requirements if required.

'''Download Infrastructure Migration (MirrorBrain)'''

JPMcC reported that the Marketing Project download reporting system was now being fed from both Bouncer and MirrorBrain, and 3.2 would be released via MirrorBrain. He thanked the MirrorBrain team for their help in meeting OOo’s requirements.

'''Site Infrastructure Migration (Kenai)'''

ST reported on the project to migrate OOo from Collabnet to Kenai. Kenai is based on open source technologies such as Zoomla, Bugzilla, and Rails, but will be managed as a service by a team within Oracle. The OOo Project Leads and Web Project are now actively engaged on the migration which is planned to have three phases:

*fit-gap analysis of Kenai features vs OOo requirements (underway)
*any resulting OOo ‘must have’ features implemented in Kenai
*data migration scripts developed and proven (underway - Collabnet data dump received)

Migration must be complete by end of June. ST believed this was ambitious but achievable, as a pilot project (netbeans.org) had already migrated successfully. There would still be a requirement for a ‘*.services.oo.o’ for OOo-specific requirements.

Link: [http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home]

==== Agenda Items ====

The additional agenda can be found [[Community Council/Agenda/Face2Face|here]].

'''Oracle / Sun'''

The CC noted the contents of the recent webcasts by Oracle, and that the formal Legal Entity Consolidation of Oracle and Sun Microsystems was due this month. The CC had always valued the relationship with Sun, and looked forward to a similarly fruitful relationship with Oracle. The CC extended their best wishes to the formerly Sun-sponsored community contributors in their new home as a global business unit within Oracle Corporation. The CC had no comment to make on Oracle’s announcement of a commercial ‘Cloud Office’ product other than to state new entrants are always welcome to the ODF ecosystem.

'''Education Project'''

Following on from the ''Developing developers'' initiative and the work with Seneca, the CC debated where these activities should be best placed with OOo. The Education Project would seem an obvious home, but the project had recently undertaken a number of initiatives which were already taking it in several different directions. The CC agreed to talk to the project leads about the structure and remit of the project, to give greater focus and avoid conflicts with other projects.

'''Branding'''

''The CC welcomed Rosana Ardila Biela for this item''

RAB gave a presentation on the work to refresh and relaunch the visual identity of OOo, as part of a branding initiative within the Marketing Project. She presented a revamped OOo logo which was still work in progress within the working party. The CC warmly welcomed the activity, and encouraged the team to reach consensus on a new logo. If the team was unable to do so, then they should present options to the CC for another decision / route - however, it was far better for the experts in the team to decide, rather than the amateurs on the CC!

'''Native Language Community development'''

The CC discussed ways of encouraging NLC development.

*Requests for financial support for Regional Conferences would be considered on a case by case basis. Funding would be start-up only, as conferences are expected to be self-financing. The CC recommends that OOo teams should be encouraged to join forces with other open-source projects to share the costs and efforts involved in running conferences.
*NLCs should be encouraged to volunteer for a ‘Native Language Community of the Month’ spotlight in the OOo Newsletter - C-HS to organise.
*The CC discussed direct funding of new localisations e.g. at the request of a government. Past experience suggested these did not lead to sustainable versions. The success of the NLC within OOo was based round a team of activists providing a complete package of localisation, QA, training, support, etc.

'''‘Greening’ OpenOffice.org'''

The CC discussed ways of minimising OOo’s carbon footprint. OOo’s infrastructure is mostly donated by third parties, which means the CC cannot make direct decisions about e.g. using only renewable electricity in datacentres. The CC agreed that OOoCon should be made more accessible for remote attendees as a priority, e.g. improved web streaming, dial-in access to sessions, mandatory advance submission of papers, etc. Support of remote attendees should be made a key deciding factor in awarding the 2011 OOoCon. The Marketing Project was also asked to consider options - e.g. should the MP be responsible for a web capability centrally every year rather than rely on local teams?

'''Extensions Repository'''

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has notified the CC that the OOo Extensions Repository does not conform to FSF principles, as it hosts ‘non-free’ software. As a result, any software distributions wishing to conform to FSF standards should not make use of the OOo Repository. The CC agreed that licence information could be improved on the Repository, as this is an important factor people should consider when choosing extensions. The FSF would be welcomed to help in providing this sorting / filtering mechanism. However, the CC would not support a forking or partitioning of the Repository to exclude ‘non-free’ extensions. OOo respects the right of its users to make their own informed choice of software, and believes this is best achieved by a single Repository offering a full selection of extensions.

'''Community Council Effectiveness'''

CC members used the opportunity of this face to face meeting to brainstorm high and low points of 2009, and consider community goals for 2010/2011. An offline presentation by CN highlighted the lack of a consistent trail from the overall OOo mission statement down to project or release goals.

The CC discussed issues with its current processes:

*CC members over-committing to Action Items, which they then fail to deliver
*the quality of the minutes, which makes it hard for community members to understand what the CC is doing
*the amount of time taken up on IRC presenting status reports, which could be more efficiently done in advance

The CC also needs to improve its communication with the Community. The CC agreed to experiment with starting meetings with a public session. The Minutes should be prepared in a form that anyone can understand without having to work through IRC logs. It should also be possible to copy and paste from the Minutes into the monthly OOo Newsletter to give a ‘This Month in the Community Council’ article.

CN (the current facilitator) agreed to work on a new meeting template including these improvements. JPMcC agreed to write up the minutes for this meeting.

'''2010 Budget'''

MHe reported that the current level of monthly donations was sufficient to support the proposed budget. The majority of these donations came from small contributions via PayPal. The CC agreed to adopt the draft budget for 2010 but review it quarterly to see if the allocation between different headings should be amended. MHe agreed to publish a summary of ‘actual vs budget’ quarterly on the wiki. JPMcC agreed to refresh the budget wiki pages for 2010. All projects should be encouraged to put forward proposals for using all the available funding.

==== Action Items ====

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action
! Who
! When
! Status
|-
| 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| LS-P
| 
| ongoing
|-
| 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| LS-P
| 
| transferred to CN with help from JMcC
|-
| 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.1
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| JS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.2
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.3
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| CNou
| 
| 
|-
| 402.4
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| C-HS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.5
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.6
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.7
| New template for CC meetings
| CN
| 
| 
|-
| 402.8
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from MHe
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|}

 

== 2010-01-21 ==

=== IRC log ===

*[[Community Council Log 20100121]]

=== AIs ===

#Budget '''Louis: prepare a wiki page with events'''.
#Trademark Policy ''ST to take back to trademark list''
#Elections: first cycle is finished. Next steps:
##''Jürgen: Update council webpage'': (done)
##''Louis: Notification to broader community about results'' (done)
##'''Louis: Initiate phase 2 of the new election for Martin, Pavel, John.''': put on hold until after holidays, viz., post 6 jan
##'''Louis: advertise public part at #ooocouncilpub in the beginning before next council meeting''': Louis suggest we do it for next meeting.
#OpenOffice.org Internship
##'''Martin to put together a proposal for hiring a technical writer to document getting started on OOo development.''': open
##'''AI: "Winter of Code"; Cor to own and cry for help if required.'''; list to be used is mentoring @ ooo: open
#Distribution infrastructure (Bouncer); '''John''': We are on target to use mirrorbrain for 3.2; Louis proposed '''AI: that the CC publicly thanks the volunteer mirrors on the release of 3.2 for 9 plus years of heroic work including and esp. osuosl.'''
#l10n infrastructure (Pootle): ''ST: Pootle version upgrade imminent beginnig 2010''; ''AI: Owner?: find better tool that is a closer fit, if necessary''; '''Cor is going to contact Andre.'''
#Procedures for retirement of a project in Incubator and NLC. '''Louis: deliver final wording after the discussion that was on the mail list - carry forward'''; see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2101] to be inforporated in http://native-lang.openoffice.org/#terminus and http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html
#Proposal for handling incubator and NLC projects. '''Louis: come with clear proposal, so we can put it on the agenda for a future meeting - carry forward'''
#Budget 2010: ''AI: all budget holders to submit their requests for a share of this 100k''. See proposal from Matthias [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2324]; '''Vote on Matthias' Proposal pending'''
#Council coordinator: '''choosing ST's successor''' (for the period from February 2010 - May 2010). (done)
#'''Juergen: Prepare Agenda for F2F Meeting in Hamburg, February 4/5;'''
#Ja added: How to handle impolite remarks in IssueTracker issues ? See issue 107456. Corresponding user ignores changes made to the issue he wrote. (done)

== Archived Meeting Minutes ==

The following pages archive the old meeting minutes of the Community Council:

*[[Community Council/Minutes 2009|Minutes 2009]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2008|Minutes 2008]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2007|Minutes 2007]]

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-07-22T22:37:00Z

ChristophNoack: Update /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-08-12 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| ''none'' 
| Questions-and-Answers 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*30 min Public Questions-and-Answers Session has been done, see [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20100722#Public_Questions-and-Answers_Session meeting minutes] 

|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-01|Minutes#2010-07-01]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Juergen 
| 2010-07-23 
|
*History:
**Proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
**Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting -- AI transferred to Jürgen
*Activities: 
**add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
**add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
**post information email to council-discuss
*After the first session, improvements required for:
**Naming seems to be ambiguous (QA and Q&A are already project names, proposals: "Ask the Community Council", "Discuss with the Community Council", "Community and Council",  "Questions-and-Answers Session")
**Wider announcement of the Questions-and-Answers session (proposal: discuss@ooo, dev@ooo, NLCs should also announce it, Blog?)
**Exact begin of the open slot (it was unclear whether it should start 30 minutes before the official CC session or starts at the usual CC time)
*Next Steps: Ask Juergen to work on the improvements.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-22 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*Activities:
**All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. 
**Leif already collected some issues (e.g. rare communication via blogs) and will send that to Cor. 
*Next Steps: Proposal that the CC will work on that at the OOoCon in Budapest.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-22
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Finalized. Andreas Bartel has been elected. Congratulations :-) 
*Next steps: None 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-07-22 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested from people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
**2010-07-22: Andreas provided some insight what currently happens within Oracle. The topic "icons" is currently addressed ...
***A discussion took place with Michael Bemmer and other people at Oracle.
***Outcome: Oracle marketing made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly. --> Icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints.
***Motivation: The current design fails with regard to usability aspects. --> Redesign is intended with focus on usability.
***Constraints: The activity will be run open with all necessary involvements.
***Question to Andreas/Martin to discuss whether the official statement may be discussed with the community before it is going to be published "officially".
***Decision to keep this CC Action Item open until there is more visible activity.
*Next steps: Waiting for the reaction by Oracle, either getting in touch with the community or an official announcement. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-07-22T22:16:03Z

ChristophNoack: Update /* Upcoming Meeting */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-08-12 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-07-01|Minutes#2010-07-01]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin -> Jüergen 
| 2010-07-16 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 
*transferred to Jürgen
*add new section under '''Procedures''' in the meeting guideline, see [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#Public_QA|Meeting Guidelines - Public QA]]
*add 2 new public QA session in the meeting calendar, see [[Community Council/Calendar#Meetings_in_2010|Meetings in 2010]]
*post information email to council-discuss
*thinking that the AI is done

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
*proposed to work on in Budapest. All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-07-19
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Finalized. Andreas Bartel has been elected. 
*Next steps: None 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council Log 20100722

2010-07-22T22:08:34Z

ChristophNoack: Created.

{{Community_Council}}
== IRC Log 2010-07-22 ==

*Supposed start time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18:30 UTC]
*Location: IRC

== Council Members ==

=== Attendees ===

*Andreas Bartel (Andreas_UX)
*Carsten Driesner (cd_oo, deputy of Juergen Schmidt)
*Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
*Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
*Eike Rathke (erAck)
*Leif Lodahl (leiflodahl, deputy of Charles-H. Schulz)
*Matthias Huetsch (mhu)
*Martin Hollmichel (_Nesshof_, deputy of Stefan Taxhet) 

=== Absent ===

*Charles-H. Schulz
*Juergen Schmidt
*Louis Suárez-Potts
*Olivier Hallot

== Public Questions-and-Answers Session ==

(20:29:57) MechtiIde hat das Thema zu The OpenOffice.org Community Council (CC) is announcing a new Q&A part as an extension of our frequently hold council meeting. abgeändert 
(20:30:00) cd_oo: Good evening, Cor 
(20:30:06) christoph_n: Oh great, thanks Mechtilde! 
(20:30:29) ***christoph_n thinks of entering the directory oo: cd oo 
(20:31:20) erAck [~er@nat/sun/x-jrjyiiatsprabepc] hat den Raum betreten. 
(20:31:32) mhu [~mhu@p5B14EBA7.dip.t-dialin.net] hat den Raum betreten. 
(20:31:39) mhu: Hi all 
(20:31:45) Andreas_UX: hi! 
(20:31:46) christoph_n: Hi Eike! 
(20:32:00) cd_oo: Hi 
(20:32:21) christoph_n: Cor: Were there any questions to CC in advance? 
(20:32:35) erAck: moin 
(20:33:09) CorNouws: christoph_n: yes, lots of them - but only from me ;-) 
(20:33:49) christoph_n: Cor: Well, maybe you can also answer those questions ;-) 
(20:33:59) ***mhu wonders whether CorNouws is allowed to ask questions :-) 
(20:34:24) ***christoph_n wonders if he qualifies for other things ... 
(20:34:39) CorNouws: questions that lead to disruption .. you 'dd rather avoid those ;-) 
(20:34:53) mhu: :-) 
(20:34:59) CorNouws: however, shall we just start? 
(20:35:10) christoph_n: Oh, I'm at work. I love "disruptive proactive questions"... 
(20:35:27) christoph_n: Cor: +1 
(20:35:29) mhu: so, the public consists of Mechthilde, only <ß 
(20:35:46) christoph_n: Since she does most of the work ... yes! 
(20:35:52) CorNouws: I understood MechtiIde interpreted QA as Quality Assurance rather then Quests & Answers 
(20:36:02) mhu: s/<ß/?/ 
(20:36:05) leiflodahl: :-D 
(20:36:09) CorNouws: but se may have a question though? 
(20:36:31) MechtiIde: not really 
(20:36:34) MechtiIde: :) 
(20:36:45) christoph_n: What a great community member ;-) 
(20:37:01) CorNouws: then I suggest that we ask you questions 
(20:37:04) leiflodahl: Otherwise I have two Q's 
(20:37:24) christoph_n: Go ahead, 007. 
(20:37:53) leiflodahl: 1) Is there an agenda for todays CC meeting? 
(20:38:35) CorNouws: leiflodahl: not that I know.. just too busy to jump in - sorry 
(20:38:36) christoph_n: (Just had a look...) Only few items have been updated. 
(20:38:38) ***erAck notes the community as represented by MechtiIde is perfectly happy :) 
(20:38:59) ***christoph_n notes that Eike asks the community. Nice Q&A :-) 
(20:39:14) leiflodahl: 2) It seems that the CC is overloaded with work. Why don't you invite deputies to participate in the work? 
(20:39:40) christoph_n: May I? 
(20:39:41) leiflodahl: btw: I'm deputy for Charles-H 
(20:39:44) CorNouws: layziness? 
(20:39:57) CorNouws: stupidity? 
(20:40:09) CorNouws: (All talking for my self, of course) 
(20:40:17) christoph_n: First: This is a good idea, but sometimes ... 
(20:40:25) MechtiIde: I don't want to be only observer of the election ,-) 
(20:41:08) christoph_n: ... our deputies are also part of the OOo universe and are deeply involved. So asking them is good for "load peaks", but I would like to avoid that in general. 
(20:41:41) christoph_n: Additionally, some of our agenda items seem to starve since months - maybe this has been noticed. 
(20:42:16) christoph_n: This means, that either the owners are so busy that they cannot handle the work at all, or b) the work items are not that important. 
(20:42:48) christoph_n: All those things can/should be tracked by us, the CC. So, I see no need (duty?) to share this work. 
(20:42:51) mhu: ...or c) no easy solution to the problem 
(20:43:00) christoph_n: mhu: Yes, true! 
(20:43:25) christoph_n: But, as far as I understand, this is a question concerning the progress of the work. Or? 
(20:43:59) mhu: ...so when it is ideas that are missing, then maybe additional input is just what is missing, maybe 
(20:44:27) ***mhu is just thinking loud 
(20:44:45) christoph_n: mhu: Right, but we should / are able to ask / listen for external input all the time. 
(20:44:58) christoph_n: (Leif: Good question, btw.) 
(20:45:07) leiflodahl: thanks 
(20:45:23) christoph_n: Leif, is that sufficient? Do you think it would help to actively involve the deputies? 
(20:45:40) christoph_n: How to do that most efficiently? 
(20:45:47) leiflodahl: Well I don't know. 
(20:46:08) leiflodahl: Often when I participate in the meeting I have no idea of what is going on 
(20:46:18) leiflodahl: Because I was not there last time 
(20:46:30) leiflodahl: And I can't send to the list 
(20:46:31) _Nesshof_ [~martin@nat/sun/x-mrejdzkcexfqnmmv] hat den Raum betreten. 
(20:46:48) leiflodahl: So actually I don't think I do any good 
(20:46:59) leiflodahl: Exept report back to Charles-H 
(20:47:06) ***mhu thinks leiflodahl and other can send to list, only they may be moderated ? 
(20:47:10) christoph_n: ... mmh ... 
(20:47:23) christoph_n: Leif, I can only state how I handle that... 
(20:47:51) erAck: Btw, where was this public Q&A announced, other than council-discuss@? 
(20:47:51) leiflodahl: okay, but the discussion is openned now - right? 
(20:47:52) christoph_n: ... If I am unavailable, then I summarize some of the ongoing effort for my deputy and send this to him via private mail. 
(20:48:16) CorNouws: erAck: nowhere, AFAIK 
(20:48:25) erAck: should we? 
(20:48:36) christoph_n: Then, I try to tell him how I _personally_ feel about some things, so that he gets some idea of what is important to me. So he might make the best out of it. Additionally, ... 
(20:48:37) mhu: was it not in the monthly newsletter ? 
(20:48:48) CorNouws: christoph_n: still I do not understand why your reasoning is a good argument not to involve deputies 
(20:49:08) CorNouws: but, as leif said: it now is our our agenda / radar 
(20:49:16) christoph_n: ... I really try to make sure that my entries in the agends are up-to-date. Even if nothing thrilling happened. 
(20:49:44) CorNouws: maybe, also just thinking loud, it is a matter of how member & deputy like to act, together 
(20:49:46) christoph_n: Cor: I think Leif addressed another issue ... the issue of being a deputy stepping in (from time to time). 
(20:50:00) leiflodahl: true 
(20:50:24) leiflodahl: Of cause i have had a private talk with Charles before the meeting 
(20:50:30) leiflodahl: but thats not the same 
(20:50:37) CorNouws: ok - have to read again (was just out preventing some damage form rain, and moving my seat inside ;-) ) 
(20:50:58) leiflodahl: And some of the work in cc could be done by deputies 
(20:50:59) christoph_n: Cor: Dangerous water comes from below ... ;-) 
(20:51:02) erAck: mhu: just looked in announce@, wasn't in the July news. 
(20:51:17) CorNouws: also, sometimes we discuss tipocs off list and not always involve deputies 
(20:51:26) christoph_n: Cor: True ... :-( 
(20:51:37) mhu: hmm, I thought I did read it somewhere, maybe that was wishful thinking 
(20:52:04) christoph_n: On the other hand, how much work can be put on deputies ... we have so few resources, we should spent them wise ... 
(20:52:22) christoph_n: ...ly 
(20:53:06) MechtiIde: so I only read it because I'm still subscribed at discuss@cc. We should change this 
(20:53:10) _Nesshof_: I'm prepared to .. 
(20:53:11) christoph_n: So Leif, if you could chose (your favorite), what would help most: a) being involved, b) being informed via the Agenda wiki page, c) being updated on demand, d) [%your_answer%] 
(20:53:52) leiflodahl: agenda wiki is what I do now 
(20:54:05) christoph_n: (By the way, we might safely discuss that afterwards ... to make sure that we do this right). 
(20:54:24) leiflodahl: having access to joim meetings (even when Charles is there) - I'll keep quiet 
(20:54:30) leiflodahl: beeing involved in the work 
(20:54:40) christoph_n: Mmh, to be honest, I'm sometimes not that happy about the status / quality of the agenda page... 
(20:54:54) leiflodahl: agree 
(20:54:59) ***mhu still thinks about CorNouws proposal to ask the "public" if the "public" does not ask us; shall we do that for the last 5 min ? 
(20:55:28) christoph_n: From my point-of-view, if you would like to join, then you may provide useful input :-) 
(20:55:39) leiflodahl: :) 
(20:55:45) christoph_n: A proposal... 
(20:56:22) CorNouws: I really appreciate Leif's idea/subject. Who wants to thrive that further on? 
(20:56:24) christoph_n: Although we do have a Council Coordinator (the CCC *g*), sometimes it might be helpful to poke the CC members to improve the quality of the description of their work items. Because ... 
(20:56:50) CorNouws: (christoph_n: sorry, did not wait long enough) 
(20:57:15) christoph_n: ... if our deputies have problems to understand that, then the public does have that problem, too. Especially since our page is input for the OOo Newsletter. Just an idea ... sometimes we (participating in the meetings) are a bit blind, here. Any opinions on that? 
(20:57:47) christoph_n: (Poke = if the agenda wiki content cannot be understood) 
(20:58:41) leiflodahl: I think you use the wiki pages as internal pages. You know whats going on and who said what. It's not good as external information 
(20:58:42) ***christoph_n thinks I accidentally finished the meeting :-) 
(20:59:39) christoph_n: (Wait, I search some input...) 
(21:01:02) christoph_n: One goal for our Council Meeting Guidelines: "Easier distribution of information for the community" 
(21:01:11) christoph_n: From: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines/Meeting_Guidelines_Development">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines/Meeting_Guidelines_Development</a> 
(21:01:29) christoph_n: If it looks like internal information, then we have to improve that, really! 
(21:02:23) christoph_n: The meeting guidelines page: "The description should match the complexity of the action item and should be – hopefully – understandable without any further explanation." 
(21:02:46) CorNouws: mhu: Looks we ran out of time for Q&A turned around this time 
(21:03:00) CorNouws: christoph_n: leiflodahl: ok for now, To be continued? 
(21:03:21) christoph_n: Leif? I'm okay with that... 
(21:03:31) leiflodahl: ok for meThe topic is raised now for future decision 
(21:03:45) mhu: CorNouws: well, at least we an item to discuss, thanks to leiflodahl 
(21:03:49) christoph_n: I would be happy to discuss that with you... 
(21:03:52) CorNouws: indeed - thanks 
(21:04:05) leiflodahl: yeah thanks 
(21:04:09) christoph_n: ... and a topic to act on: together ;-) 
(21:04:30) christoph_n: Thanks to Mechtilde and Leif! 
(21:04:43) CorNouws: bye for now for here .. 

== Community Council Session ==

(21:11:02) christoph_n: Congratulations to Andreas, happy that you joined! 
(21:11:16) christoph_n: er[A]ck 
(21:11:24) Andreas_UX: Well, thanks a lot! I 
(21:11:26) CorNouws: we all try our best to make you feel at home :-D 
(21:11:28) mhu: yes, welcome, Andreas 
(21:11:36) Andreas_UX: I am at home :-) 
(21:11:43) mhu: :-) 
(21:11:49) christoph_n: Okay, please have our agenda and work status page ready: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda</a> 
(21:11:54) CorNouws: so that is an easy win ;-) 
(21:11:58) Andreas_UX: sure! 
(21:12:18) christoph_n: It seems that there hasn't been an update last time, so we have to start with what is there ... 
(21:12:24) leiflodahl: I was confused by Date: 2010-07-01 
(21:12:36) Andreas_UX: me too 
(21:12:40) christoph_n: Leif, that means nobody took care :-( 
(21:13:01) christoph_n: But if that helps: Today is one of the council agenda meetings ... 
(21:13:26) christoph_n: ... if you have any doubts, then there is a calendar page for reference: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar</a> 
(21:13:40) christoph_n: Back to the agenda page and to AI 0: 
(21:13:49) christoph_n: List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
(21:14:14) christoph_n: Andreas, please have a look at the agenda items - if anything is weird, then raise your hand (button/keyboard/mouse/...). 
(21:14:28) christoph_n: If not, then we just wait a few seconds before we go on ... 
(21:14:32) Andreas_UX: ok I will 
(21:14:37) ***mhu notes that Juergen updated his action item before he went on vacation 
(21:14:50) ***christoph_n thinks that Jürgen is a good CC member :-) 
(21:15:17) christoph_n: Okay, no vetoes. Okay, the next item is ... 
(21:15:31) christoph_n: 2010-03-04#2: Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
(21:15:42) christoph_n: Since Louis is missing, we might skip it. Okay? 
(21:15:54) CorNouws: Anyone knows where Louis hangs out? 
(21:15:54) mhu: yes 
(21:16:09) christoph_n: (Skipped a hundred times, grrrr.) 
(21:16:20) CorNouws: I am a little bit concerned that our cm does not show signs of life and such 
(21:16:40) Andreas_UX: when did he attend last time? 
(21:16:43) christoph_n: Mmh, I was not aware that he is missing for some time? 
(21:17:04) CorNouws: christoph_n: not too sarc* pls 
(21:17:20) mhu: well, from time to time he shows up on other mailing lists; he's usually very busy with other stuff. 
(21:17:27) christoph_n: Hey, I was serious about that ... I was absent, too. 
(21:17:37) _Nesshof_ hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 
(21:17:46) christoph_n: Boring meeting? 
(21:17:55) christoph_n: :-) 
(21:18:07) christoph_n: Cor, continue ... or do you know more about Louis? 
(21:18:36) CorNouws: hmm later, leave it now :-\ 
(21:18:43) christoph_n: 2010-03-04#3: Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
(21:18:55) CorNouws: This also has to be annouced at discuss@ , ... 
(21:18:55) CorNouws: Maybe we evene discussed, but the I forgot to do it. Sorry. 
(21:19:05) CorNouws: the = then 
(21:19:09) mhu: done, except that "publish" may need to be better defined 
(21:19:10) leiflodahl: is it at the start or 30 min before? 
(21:19:16) christoph_n: And we should change QA -- Q&A 
(21:19:24) Andreas_UX: yes please 
(21:19:33) Andreas_UX: a bit confusing 
(21:19:33) cd_oo: yes 
(21:19:43) CorNouws: leiflodahl: at the start, not before 
(21:19:46) christoph_n: Leif, I thought about the first 30 minutes. 
(21:19:49) leiflodahl: thanks 
(21:20:09) leiflodahl: call it 'ask the council' 
(21:20:26) _Nesshof_ [~martin@p5B39765B.dip.t-dialin.net] hat den Raum betreten. 
(21:20:26) christoph_n: Leif: We wanted to try that ... if we will need more time, then we'll reserve more time for that. 
(21:20:32) christoph_n: (Welcome back!) 
(21:20:33) leiflodahl: we have a Q&A project already 
(21:21:10) christoph_n: Mmh, something "self speaking". Looks good, maybe more discussion than questions, but good. 
(21:21:17) mhu: ...and publish it in a wider distribution than just <a href="mailto:discuss@cpuncil">discuss@cpuncil</a> 
(21:21:35) mhu: s/cpuncil/council/ 
(21:21:36) erAck: also announce on dev@, many devs may not read discuss@ (anymore) 
(21:21:38) leiflodahl: Ask NLC's to announce it 
(21:21:58) christoph_n: Proposal: I'll summarize the given points in the action items and we keep it open, okay? 
(21:22:08) christoph_n: items --> item 
(21:22:15) leiflodahl: +1 
(21:22:17) christoph_n: Any other issues with that? 
(21:22:52) christoph_n: Cor: Skip 2010-03-04#6? It is stalled at the moment. 
(21:23:34) christoph_n: Cor, your automatic reply doesn't work ;-) 
(21:23:45) CorNouws: . 
(21:23:51) christoph_n: Phew. 
(21:23:55) leiflodahl: why is it stalled? 
(21:24:02) christoph_n: Handing over to Cor... 
(21:24:13) CorNouws: not opportune to pick up now 
(21:25:06) leiflodahl: accepted 
(21:25:12) christoph_n: But here comes a good opportunity :-) 
(21:25:16) christoph_n: 2010-04-01#7: Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
(21:25:30) christoph_n: Last update was 2010-04-01. Leif, maybe you know more? 
(21:26:35) ***christoph_n thinks that auto-repliers are unreliable 
(21:26:42) leiflodahl: Not more than expalined on the wiki 
(21:27:14) christoph_n: Okay. Then could you please bother Charles to have a look at it? Even if it just says "updates to come"? Would be great! 
(21:27:30) leiflodahl: I'll talk with Charles about it 
(21:27:45) christoph_n: Thank you! Questions by others? 
(21:27:53) leiflodahl: I can even offer him my help:-D 
(21:28:00) christoph_n: Hehe, gooood point! 
(21:28:07) christoph_n: Do you want to be my deputy ;-) 
(21:28:31) christoph_n: Moving on ... 
(21:28:33) leiflodahl: I only have one IRC account 
(21:28:54) christoph_n: Well, okay. :-) 
(21:29:07) christoph_n: 2010-04-01#1: Community situation 
(21:29:32) christoph_n: It states "proposed to work on in Budapest". Is this still valid? Do we have a time-slice for that? 
(21:29:36) leiflodahl: big topic, hah? 
(21:30:01) christoph_n: Yep, from my pov... 
(21:30:18) CorNouws: christoph_n: I did not see any proposal to change it, so let's continue 
(21:30:28) leiflodahl: I would like to discuss one topic here 
(21:30:30) ***erAck hasn't seen any time schedule yet for OOoCon. 
(21:30:40) Andreas_UX: me neither 
(21:30:52) CorNouws: I posted at the OOocon list about the community meetings on tuesday 
(21:30:55) christoph_n: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar</a> states: 2010-08-31 
(21:31:05) CorNouws: will post to various dev# lists too 
(21:31:17) CorNouws: christoph_n: yes, that is right 
(21:31:56) christoph_n: Okay, then - to all - it would be great if you could reserve some time that day... 
(21:32:08) CorNouws: and our council wiki states "Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda. " 
(21:32:13) christoph_n: ...as far as I know, Charles will arrive that morning. 
(21:32:28) CorNouws: I intend to send a mail about that item soon (this month) 
(21:32:28) CorNouws: or maybe even more mails ;-) 
(21:32:50) CorNouws: christoph_n: useally all active members arrive early 
(21:33:06) christoph_n: I'd hoped that only active members are at the OOoCon ;-) 
(21:33:13) christoph_n: ... at all ;-) 
(21:33:35) christoph_n: Leif, you talked about "one topic". Still valid? 
(21:33:41) leiflodahl: yep 
(21:33:54) leiflodahl: Tell me if it's out of topic 
(21:34:06) christoph_n: Does this relate to the community situation? If not (really), then we usually add that at the end. But go on... 
(21:34:37) leiflodahl: I think communication between developers (Oracle) and NLC is missing something 
(21:35:07) CorNouws: something sometimes ? 
(21:35:16) leiflodahl: The developrs wiki (Gullfos) is very inactive 
(21:35:21) mhu: leiflodahl, can you explain ? 
(21:35:31) leiflodahl: And the release plan for 3.3 lacs details 
(21:35:35) Andreas_UX: gullfos is a blog right? 
(21:35:41) leiflodahl: yep 
(21:35:45) erAck: Andreas_UX: <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/">http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/</a> 
(21:35:53) Andreas_UX: I know that 
(21:35:56) Andreas_UX: one 
(21:35:57) leiflodahl: Gullfoss has earlier been a very interesting and useful source of information 
(21:36:17) Andreas_UX: I guess it will be that again after some time 
(21:36:28) Andreas_UX: since we all are pretty busy currently 
(21:36:30) leiflodahl: now it's only: m_x has been uploaded 
(21:36:44) leiflodahl: okay 
(21:36:45) _Nesshof_: release plans where in former times very tentative, I want only to publish the reliable dates there 
(21:36:47) CorNouws: leiflodahl: I agree with that. Looks as if atm much energy is going somewhere else 
(21:36:56) mhu: ...and gstreamer support added ... 
(21:36:57) Andreas_UX: busy with migration etc 
(21:37:08) leiflodahl: I don't even have a deadline for translation 
(21:37:29) christoph_n: Okay, ... 
(21:37:30) _Nesshof_: leiflodahl: that shouldn't be 
(21:38:05) _Nesshof_: translation timelines should be clear, I will check with rafaella after her vacation 
(21:38:14) _Nesshof_: next week 
(21:38:15) leiflodahl: I cant plan translation nor testing when I don't know the dates 
(21:38:37) CorNouws: translation deadline was published via <a href="mailto:dev@l10n">dev@l10n</a> 
(21:38:39) christoph_n: ... let's simply state that the community outside Sun / Oracle experiences these effects since quite some months. And sometimes it is just unknown when "after some time" will be. (Speaking not about deadlines.) 
(21:38:39) leiflodahl: I know other NLCs has same problem 
(21:38:45) CorNouws: do you see that, Leif? 
(21:39:13) leiflodahl: the dev@l10n? 
(21:39:22) leiflodahl: Sorry no 
(21:39:42) CorNouws: yes, <a href="mailto:dev@l10n.openoffice.org">dev@l10n.openoffice.org</a> 
(21:39:57) leiflodahl: I could have missed it - sorry. But it should still be on the wiki? 
(21:39:59) CorNouws: nevertheless: it should be at the wiki too 
(21:40:10) _Nesshof_: CorNouws: ack 
(21:40:33) CorNouws: and some deadline passed or shifted without notice, btw ;-) 
(21:40:45) _Nesshof_: CorNouws: which ones ? 
(21:42:04) christoph_n: Okay, question: Is the deadlines question answered (more or less)? 
(21:42:18) CorNouws: forgot the details - can look it up, but André noticed, mailed 
(21:42:39) leiflodahl: ok for me, but please have this in mind in the future 
(21:42:47) christoph_n: Proposal ... 
(21:42:59) CorNouws: _Nesshof_: subj "Status of l10n integration and CWS availability" 
(21:43:19) _Nesshof_: what ML ? 
(21:43:35) CorNouws: l10n-dev 
(21:43:38) christoph_n: Leif, you raised a very valid point. I would like to ask you to summarize your perception and to send it to Cor who collects the items for the agenda. And, if you want to add some more urgent thoughts now, then feel free. 
(21:43:52) christoph_n: Would that be okay? 
(21:44:03) leiflodahl: sure :) 
(21:44:05) CorNouws: yes pls, fitts well in the overall tipoc 
(21:44:25) christoph_n: Thank you! And if we have some minutes left, I'm happy to join any discussion on that ... but, now: 
(21:44:37) christoph_n: 2010-04-29#1: CC Election (Product Development Representative) 
(21:44:45) christoph_n: ... was hopefully successful ;-) 
(21:45:10) christoph_n: My thanks to all people who supported during the election ... and who took part by being nominated! 
(21:45:12) CorNouws: Andreas has to prove that over the next months 
(21:45:23) christoph_n: ... years ;-) 
(21:45:30) Andreas_UX: oooh I will :-) 
(21:45:36) christoph_n: oooh --> OOo 
(21:45:44) CorNouws: :-) 
(21:45:45) Andreas_UX: good one 
(21:45:55) Andreas_UX: not even on purpose 
(21:46:00) christoph_n: May I "finalize" the AI? 
(21:46:09) erAck: yes 
(21:46:11) mhu: +1 
(21:46:11) leiflodahl: +1 
(21:46:29) cd_oo: +1 
(21:46:37) _Nesshof_: +1 
(21:46:40) christoph_n: Andreas: Those questions are answered by all members here. A simple +1 is sufficient. 
(21:46:49) christoph_n: Well, you are now part of the game :-) 
(21:46:55) Andreas_UX: +1 
(21:47:04) christoph_n: Well, and you may also use -1 if required ;-) 
(21:47:35) christoph_n: Okay, general question: Do we have other elections planned? I don't know at the moment ... 
(21:47:39) Andreas_UX: ... so let's play ;-) 
(21:48:04) christoph_n: Andreas: Then please "p(l)ay the bill" :-) 
(21:48:13) Andreas_UX: how about Chief World Officer (CWO) :-) 
(21:48:34) Andreas_UX: if no other elections are planned 
(21:48:53) Andreas_UX: just kidding back to serious 
(21:49:14) christoph_n: Well, I don't know who is the "most experienced CC member" at the moment... 
(21:49:33) CorNouws: just one item left on the agenda? 
(21:49:35) ***mhu thinks, martin and me 
(21:49:55) ***_Nesshof_ is not a regular member any more :-) 
(21:50:06) CorNouws: indeed, martin is deputy 
(21:50:14) mhu: yes, but still experienced :-) 
(21:50:28) christoph_n: Mmh, then the next election would target you, Matthias? 
(21:50:50) ***christoph_n wonders whether "target" is a good word for that 
(21:50:59) christoph_n: Sorry! 
(21:51:01) mhu: well, that would be Louis and me; see the minutes of some recent meeting 
(21:51:49) christoph_n: So I propose we discuss that at the OOoCon and we continue with the next election? I think there is much to do until OOoCon... any objections? 
(21:52:11) Andreas_UX: no 
(21:52:17) mhu: and proposal was, to do that some time after ooocon, when new members have acquainted somewhat 
(21:52:28) christoph_n: Ah, okay. Thanks! 
(21:52:30) Andreas_UX: good idea 
(21:52:47) christoph_n: (I'm still working on my emails ... not to speak about IRC logs.) 
(21:52:54) christoph_n: Okay, then ... 
(21:53:05) christoph_n: 2010-04-29#2: Missing OOo desktop presence 
(21:53:22) erAck: This "2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative." should read "requested from people" instead, or am I mistaken? 
(21:53:51) christoph_n: (Yes.) 
(21:54:25) christoph_n: As most of you know, I was a bit offline (off-board) for some weeks ... so this topic was a bit stalled. Nevertheless, Stefan and I discussed to go on by asking for an I-Team and to contact the product management at Oracle. 
(21:54:27) mhu: answering "yes" to an "or" question is always funny :-) 
(21:54:39) christoph_n: (Yes.) ;-) 
(21:55:06) christoph_n: Martin, do you know more? 
(21:55:52) _Nesshof_: yes, there was an meeting with "product mgmt" at oracle, but I think Andreas_UX knows more than me 
(21:56:10) Andreas_UX: I knew you'd say that 
(21:56:36) christoph_n: (Management by forwarding is this called in my company...) 
(21:56:59) _Nesshof_: I think we will see some movement after vacation time 
(21:57:00) Andreas_UX: yes, there was one with Michael Bemmer et al. 
(21:57:22) Andreas_UX: outcome is that Mkt made a decision that is supposed to be communicated shortly 
(21:57:40) christoph_n: So there is some progress? What does it mean "communicated", to whom? 
(21:57:58) Andreas_UX: announced publically 
(21:58:04) Andreas_UX: via Gullfoss I guess 
(21:58:06) CorNouws: Andreas_UX: Mkt = marketing? 
(21:58:10) Andreas_UX: yed 
(21:58:13) Andreas_UX: yes, sorry 
(21:58:43) christoph_n: Does it address the concerns of the community? Do you know that already? 
(21:58:46) CorNouws: I guess the decision will be that they start to communicate with us about possiblities? 
(21:58:50) Andreas_UX: icons will be redesigned, for the long run, with constraints 
(21:58:55) CorNouws: No need to put that on GullFoss 
(21:59:11) Andreas_UX: ooh, there is 
(21:59:20) Andreas_UX: need 
(21:59:32) CorNouws: Andreas_UX: sorry, I was not fully serious and 
(21:59:39) Andreas_UX: got it 
(21:59:40) leiflodahl: Can it be right, that a topic on CC agenda lacks information from marketing? 
(21:59:49) CorNouws: my second sentence wat not a rely on yours just before ;-) 
(22:00:08) CorNouws: s/rely/reply 
(22:00:13) Andreas_UX: :-) 
(22:00:26) christoph_n: Cor's keyboard is sometimes just weird... 
(22:00:31) Andreas_UX: leif, I guess so 
(22:00:54) Andreas_UX: motivation was, current design fails usability 
(22:01:05) Andreas_UX: and consumes too much resources 
(22:01:06) christoph_n: ... fails "community" as well 
(22:01:17) Andreas_UX: self evidently 
(22:01:33) Andreas_UX: that can not continue 
(22:01:44) Andreas_UX: so, redesign with focus on usability 
(22:01:52) CorNouws: good news, thanks 
(22:01:55) Andreas_UX: with constraints of course 
(22:02:11) christoph_n: Last question: Do you know if the community (however) will take part? 
(22:02:15) Andreas_UX: constraints that will be communicated by marketing 
(22:02:23) Andreas_UX: "" 
(22:02:25) Andreas_UX: waut 
(22:02:27) Andreas_UX: wait 
(22:02:58) Andreas_UX: This project will be run open with all necessary involvements 
(22:03:09) Andreas_UX: that is what was saif 
(22:03:12) Andreas_UX: said 
(22:03:17) Andreas_UX: Cor do we have same keyboards 
(22:03:19) Andreas_UX: ? 
(22:03:28) christoph_n: Andreas: May I put that on the agenda / work status? 
(22:03:34) Andreas_UX: sure 
(22:03:36) christoph_n: Great! 
(22:03:39) erAck: christoph_n: that was the intend of the approach to form an i-team 
(22:03:56) CorNouws: maybe mkt can communicate before about constraints they have in mind 
(22:04:18) CorNouws: not that they cannot choose that they thinkwhat is necessary, but 
(22:04:30) Andreas_UX: agree but that is not always easy 
(22:04:32) CorNouws: talking before (...) may help understanding 
(22:04:34) christoph_n: erAck: Yesno. First we talked about a refreshed I-Team. Then we wanted to talk who will take part in detail. 
(22:05:28) christoph_n: Cor, Andreas: So the proposal is to ask Andreas/Martin to talk about our concerns within Oracle? 
(22:05:38) CorNouws: just a tip... others may have other points of view that can be incorporated, may. I just don't know, but it is a chance 
(22:05:38) christoph_n: Would that be sufficient at the moment? 
(22:06:25) CorNouws: anyway: look foreward to what will follow 
(22:06:33) Andreas_UX: me too 
(22:06:38) CorNouws: :-) 
(22:06:52) christoph_n: I thought we had the "me too" approach ;-) 
(22:07:13) Andreas_UX: I thought we got rid of that desease 
(22:07:22) christoph_n: Okay, then again: Would be great if Andreas/Martin could bring that to Oracle... 
(22:07:39) Andreas_UX: we are Oracle :-) 
(22:07:45) christoph_n: ... until there is any sign (of relief *g*), I would like to keep that AI open. 
(22:07:52) christoph_n: (Andreas_UX: We are family!) 
(22:08:01) christoph_n: Any objections? 
(22:08:03) Andreas_UX: no 
(22:08:08) leiflodahl: -1 
(22:08:10) CorNouws: no 
(22:08:17) cd_oo: no 
(22:08:24) mhu: okay 
(22:08:30) christoph_n: (I should ask for positive feedback ...) 
(22:08:34) christoph_n: (Sorry) 
(22:08:39) erAck: ok, no ... 
(22:08:55) christoph_n: Thanks Andreas, Cor, Martin! 
(22:08:59) christoph_n: Well ... 
(22:09:00) _Nesshof_: no 
(22:09:10) christoph_n: ... any topics you would like to add for today's meeting? 
(22:09:16) CorNouws: maybe cd has any news to bring from himself/Jürgen? 
(22:09:27) christoph_n: His vacation? 
(22:09:28) christoph_n: ;-) 
(22:09:59) leiflodahl: When do we have beer? 
(22:10:11) Andreas_UX: right now ;-) 
(22:10:12) christoph_n: I thought all the time ;-) 
(22:10:29) leiflodahl: Explains the keyboard problems in Holland 
(22:10:39) Andreas_UX: good one 
(22:10:44) christoph_n: Andreas_UX: Sheds some strange light on UX... 
(22:10:49) cd_oo: CorNouws: Sorry, I have no news. 
(22:10:56) christoph_n: Okay, if there is no further "tipoc"... 
(22:11:02) CorNouws: serious proposal: maximum amout of funny remarks/member/meeting 
(22:11:18) Andreas_UX: we can top that 
(22:11:25) CorNouws: not to strict, lets say 4 or 5? 
(22:11:25) christoph_n: ... I would like to ask all AI owners to update their AIs within the next 24 hours (!). 
(22:11:39) christoph_n: And, please consider Leif's remark concerning understandability. 
(22:11:40) Andreas_UX: sir, yes, sir 
(22:11:59) Andreas_UX: ok, I will stop writing in Klingon 
(22:12:08) christoph_n: I'll update the item "open slot ... Q&A". 
(22:12:36) christoph_n: (Klingons drink beer?) 
(22:12:38) ***erAck takes a sip of "Secret de Campagne" and hopes the keyboard will cooperate.. 
(22:12:53) ***christoph_n thinks of "Stroh 80" ;-) 
(22:13:11) Andreas_UX: met him years ago 
(22:13:24) CorNouws: will all of us be at Budapest? 
(22:13:32) Andreas_UX: I hope so 
(22:13:33) christoph_n: I will ... 
(22:13:33) erAck: hopefully 
(22:13:39) _Nesshof_: may be 
(22:13:41) mhu: hopefully 
(22:13:45) CorNouws: I will 
(22:13:50) christoph_n: Leif? 
(22:13:52) cd_oo: No, I won't attend this time 
(22:14:04) Andreas_UX: My presentation got accepted, so I guess I will be there 
(22:14:11) christoph_n: Carsten, what a pity :-( 
(22:14:14) CorNouws: cd_oo: sorry to read, I'll miss you 
(22:14:21) cd_oo: Don 
(22:14:22) leiflodahl: I'll be there 
(22:14:25) Andreas_UX: we'll probably fly over PAris 
(22:14:30) Andreas_UX: it is a tradition 
(22:14:52) cd_oo: Don't worry. Next time I want to attend. 
(22:15:00) erAck: don't the flights to Budapest go via Moscow? 
(22:15:02) christoph_n: Well, I think the official part is finished. Thank you all for your attendance today! 

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Minutes

2010-07-22T21:27:27Z

ChristophNoack: Added link to IRC Log

{{Community_Council}}
= Minutes of Meetings =

== 2010-07-22 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100722]]

=== Minutes ===

== 2010-07-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100701]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-06-10|Minutes#2010-06-10]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin -> Jüergen 
| 2010-07-01 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 
*transferred to Jürgen

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Finalized 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Jürgen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Jürgen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-07-01 
|
* What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it. 
* proposed to work on in Budapest. All CC members are asked to think about it and Cor will prepare a proposal for an detailed agenda.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to officially step in. 
* finalized, Jürgen Schmidt is the new coordinator
|}

 

== 2010-06-10 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100610]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
* The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
* AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship 
| Finalized 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Original topic: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC. We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program had been worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members were asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23. Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor joined the discussion to work on a proposal.
*The OpenOffice.org Internship Programme has been officially announced on several channels, e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=418 a mail on the announce-list].
*Result: In the CC meeting it has been decided to mark this item "finalized".

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-08 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-07#1
| Do not promote proprietary software through the OpenOffice.org extensions library
| Rejected
|   (none)
| 2010-05-20
|
*Source: User "Juca" added this item 2010-05-07.
*OpenOffice.org is free software, but some of the extensions it offers to the users are proprietary. OpenOffice.org extensions library should not promote proprietary extensions. 
*Result: The Council already discussed this issue due to a request by the FSF. The reply can be found [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=417 here].

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to step in. 

|}

== 2010-05-20 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See  [[Community Council Log 20100520]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-04-29 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100429]]

=== Minutes ===

Note: Council members didn't update their actions items appropriately. If you have doubts, please have a look at the IRC Log (above).

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-15|Minutes#2010-04-15]] 
*Result: Minutes have been approved.

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Finalized 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Voting phase has been finished. Two of the three candidates have been confirmed. Final result is available here: [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]]. 
**Follow-up action item 2010-04-23#1 to decide how to deal with the unconfirmed "Product Development Representative". 
**According to meeting 2010-04-01: Christoph will update the Election Process bylaw once the current election is over. The change will describe the exclusive use of dedicated tooling for the voting, e.g. LimeSurvey. The version of the bylaw will be changed from 1.0 to 1.1. 
*Result 2010-04-29: Item has been finalized.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
|   Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Initial situation: In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. How to proceed?
*Proposal: Re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Result: All agreed to proposal.
*Next steps:
**Christoph will create a new wiki page for the elections 2010-05.
**Elections itself will be started as soon as possible.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
| Missing OOo desktop presence
| New 
|   ??? 
| 2010-04-29 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community.
**Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
*Next steps: Christoph will forward the request to council-discuss. 

|-
| 2010-04-29#3
| CC Meetings Calendar
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-04-29
|
*Two months ago, the CC decided to meet each 2 weeks instead of 3 for a "test period". Now there is a need to decide how to continue and to update the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar CC meeting calender] page.
*Result: We proceed with the 3 weeks schedule for the next meetings.
*Next steps: [[Community Council/Calendar|CC meeting calender]] has been updated. 

|}

== 2010-04-15 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100415]]

=== Minutes ===

To be done (hopefully). In the meantime, you may refer to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Agenda&oldid=162224 Agenda and Work status page (2010-04-01)].

== 2010-04-01 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100401]]

=== Minutes ===

tbd

== 2010-03-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100318]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| ''none'' 
|
*No meeting minutes available for 2010-03-04 
*Instead, all agreed on the minutes log [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

|-
| 2010-03-04#1 
| CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John) 
| Accepted 
| Louis, Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Mail for nominations have been done; several nominations received. 
*Next phase, introduction of the nominees, will be started.
*Overall status can be tracked at [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|Elections/2010-03]].
*Next steps: Christoph will announce the next phase "introduction". 

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*All CC members are asked to comment the proposal on the CC mailing list.
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Reminder to keep an eye how to provide consistency for the different pieces. Will be discussed with Clayton. 
*Next steps: Ongoing discussion on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship (was: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC) 
| Accepted 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program is worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members are asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23.
*Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor will join the discussion to work on a proposal.
*Next steps:
**Cor joins the the budget discussion.
**Prepare approval and launch asap.

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles is asked to provide updates on the CC mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#8 
| New template for CC meetings 
| Finalized 
| Christoph 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Current proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. 
*Everyone (except Leif, deputy of Charles) voted to use it from now on. Charles may add comments in the next few days, if required.
*Next steps: Christoph will update the minutes according the new template. Accepted proposal will be moved to a more "official" wiki page. Announcement to be made on the CC mailing list.

|-
| 2010-03-04#9 
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias 
| Finalized 
| John 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in last meeting.
*Next steps: none

|-
| 2010-03-04#10 
| Confirm/discuss [[Community Council/Calendar|proposed dates]] for future council meetings 
| Finalized 
| All 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Was already finalized in some of the previous meetings.
*Reminder: Request confirmation for future dates (e.g. end of April 2010)
*Next steps: none 

|-
| 2010-03-04#11 
| Trademark 
| Rejected 
| Stefan 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No updates; will be rejected for now. 
*Next steps: Stefan will re-open this item when a revised policy is available.

|}

== 2010-03-04 ==

=== IRC Log ===

See [[Community Council Log 20100304]]

=== Minutes ===

Minutes and action items are not available.

=== Agenda Items ===

Since no meeting minutes are available, the original agenda will be used instead.

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Due Date
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| All 
| 
| See [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-02-18|Community_Council/Minutes#2010-02-18]]. 
|-
| 1 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| 
|
2010-03-03: Louis sent the mail for nomination on 2010-02-27. The nomination phase will end 2010-03-15 15 at 24:00 UTC. 

Next Steps: ???

|-
| 2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| 
|-
| 3 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| 
|-
| 4
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*back to rework on a new proposal how to move forward
*Based on a further talk with Clayton Juergen has sent out a new idea of a bounty program on the discuss@council.openoffice.org mailing list. The main idea of it is to define many smaller and more fine grained projects and make them publicly available. Each projects will be honored with a appropriate amount of money depending on the project. For more details see the email. 

|-
| 5
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| 
|
Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 8
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Proposed Improvements|Proposed_Improvements]]. It has been refined to make working with it easier and more efficient. Basically, it is now a continuous table which can be sorted according to several status labels. Originally, I proposed to use different sections to markup the status of action items. Additionally, the proposal to move the "record date" to the action item ID has been incorporated. Please review the proposal - or even better - accept it :-) 

Next Steps:

*If accepted, then the current agenda wiki page will be transformed to respect the proposed format. Additionally, the content of the "Proposed Improvements" page will be moved to a more "official" place.
*If rejected, then ...nothing.
*JSC: +1

|-
| 9
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
Next Step: John will work on that until the next meeting. 

|-
| 10
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| 2010-03-04 
|
2010-03-02: The revised proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Next Steps: None planned. 

|-
| 11 
| Trademark
| Stefan 
| 
|
Next Step: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

== 2010-02-18 ==

=== IRC Log ===

List of attendees and IRC log can be found here: [[Community Council Log 20100218]]

=== Minutes ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action Item
! Owner
! Status
! Additional Information 
|-
| 0
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval
| - 
| Approved 
| 
|-
| 1 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| Louis
| Done
|
List of events interesting for OpenOffice.org available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Events#Year_2010 Events, Year 2010]. From now on, it needs to be completed by MarCon.

|-
| 2 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| Louis / Christoph 
| In progress 
|
Louis is currently preparing the initial email "New election for Community Council". A second draft is already available and feedback has already been provided. 

Next Steps: 

*Louis is asked to send the initial email - if its ready. 
*Christoph will have a look at the election process and (support to) trigger the next steps. 

|-
| 3 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| Louis
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 4 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| Louis 
| 
| No update. Will be discussed in next meeting. 
|-
| 5
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| Jürgen 
| In progress
|
Clayton has send a first draft to council-discuss ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2454 Draft of the Community Council proposal to hire a Tech Writer]), we need some confirmation how to proceed keeping the proposed quote in mind. 

Discussion: 

*The costs are estimated to be roughly 40 K USD. It has been agreed that this seems to be a realistic estimation and maintainability is a very important question. 
*These costs do not fit in any currently planned budget. Some proposals were made how this work might be split / separated to get more manageable pieces (in terms of budget). But it has also been raised that it might only make sense if it is worked on the full documentation. 
*It has been agreed that - before any further decision can be made - all people should have a closer look at Clayton's proposal. 

Next Steps: 

*All CC members will have a closer look at the proposal (link above). (Added by Christoph: Everybody is free to provide proposals how to proceed.) 
*A funding proposal request has to be worked out for the the next meeting. 

|-
| 6
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| John
| In progress 
|
John has sent a mail to the Google representative Leslie Hawthorn a couple of days ago. We are waiting for an answer.

Discussion: It has been raised that the applications for "would-be mentoring applications" is open from 2010-03-08 to 2010-03-12 ([http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f source]). 

Next Steps: 

*Cor and John will keep the Community Council updated. 
*The topic will be raised in the next meeting which will be held in two weeks of time. 

|-
| 7
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| Cor
| In progress 
|
Next Step: Cor will prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. 

|-
| 8
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| Charles
| In progress 
|
Announcement has been made on the NLC list. One "volunteer" project found for the first month month, the Irish Gaelic project. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*John did also inform the responsible for the OpenOffice.org Newsletter (Kay Koll) to use some information from the Community Council minutes. 
*The question was raised how to support Kay to ensure valid information. Sophie stated that usually the newsletter draft is reviewed. 

Next Steps: 

*Charles currently prepares an interview (source: internal mail). 
*Action item will be kept "in progress" until Charles is back. 

|-
| 9
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| John
| Done 
|
Request has been discussed with the Hungarian OOoCon team and with MarCon. The proposal that the MP should set up a 'permanent' arrangement for video for all OOoCons may need finance - probably next year's budget though. The Marketing Project is still discussing if this is a better approach. 

Discussion (a little bit off-topic): 

*Short discussion of whether the location of the OOoCons should be fixed or not. A comparison has been made to FOSDEM. 
*The action item will be closed, because the Marketing Project is aware of this issue. 

|-
| 10
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| Louis
| Done 
| Louis sent the mail and the FSF (Peter Brown) already replied. 
|-
| 11
| New template for CC meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
Some of the proposals from the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg have been summarized. Work on a draft has been started. It is available at [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements Community_Council/Proposed_Improvements]. 

Discussion: 

*Cor estimated this work to be close-to-final. 
*A discussion on how to name the Action Items. The basic requirement is to identify the "age" of the items. Several proposals have been made. 

Next Steps: 

*Everybody will have a look at the draft and provide feedback (if required). 
*Christoph will finalize the proposal and present it in the next meeting to officially accept or reject it. 

|-
| 12
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from Matthias
| John
| 
|
No update. John will work on that until the next meeting. 

Remark: The budget has already been accepted in the face-to-face meeting in Hamburg.

|-
| 13
| Confirm/discuss [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Calendar proposed dates] for future council meetings
| Christoph
| In progress 
|
A first proposal is available at [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Calendar]].

Discussion:

*According to Stefan the need for information might be higher during the next months.
*It has been proposed to change the schedule so that the Community Council meetings will be held each two weeks. This applies to the meetings in the next two months to check if this is applicable.
*Some people expressed the demand to reduce the meeting time to about one hour.

Next Step: Christoph will re-work the proposed dates and inform the Community Council members. 

|-
|
| Update of the OpenOffice.org logo and the branding initiative
| -
|
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion:

*Two proposals have been presented to the branding working group.
*A due date has been proposed to finalize the effort.

|-
|
| Trademark
| -
|
|
Additional discussion.

Discussion: Stefan will provide some updates in the next meeting.

|}

 

== 2010-02-04/05 (F2F Meeting in Hamburg) ==

=== Attendees ===

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Name
! Initials (not the OOo user name)
|-
| Martin Hollmichel
| MHo
|-
| Matthias Huetsch
| MHu
|-
| Cor Nouws
| CNou
|-
| Christoph Noack
| CN
|-
| Louis Suarez-Potts
| LS-P
|-
| Charles-H. Schulz
| C-HS
|-
| John McCreesh
| JPMcC
|-
| Stefan Taxhet
| ST
|-
| Jürgen Schmidt
| JS
|}

=== Minutes ===

==== Status Updates from CC Sponsored Activities ====

'''Trademark Policy'''

ST reported that the draft trademark policy was being reviewed by Sun Legal, but no major changes were expected.

'''Developing developers'''

''The CC welcomed Clayton Cornell for this item'' 

The CC discussed three areas where documentation could be improved: 

*how-to get into core development (technical) 
*how-to engage in the community development process (people) 
*how-to get into extension development (technical) 

There was a discussion on the merits of traditional paper-based documentation versus webinars etc for each of these. 

The CC agreed to focus on extensions, possibly based on Per’s current work with Kai on a gallery extension. Clayton was actioned to come back with a budgetary estimate for the work.

The CC agreed to talk to Google to see whether the Oracle takeover meant that OOo would be accepted this year for the Summer of Code exercise. If not, the CC should press on with its own internship exercise.

'''Pootle Infrastructure'''

''The CC welcomed Rafaella Braconi for this item''

*A new Pootle sys admin was now in place and was actively managing the system
*Some background scripts had been removed. Feedback from the engineers was that performance of Pootle was not hardware constrained.
*the latest version of Pootle would be installed as soon as OOo 3.2 was released

Overall the position had stabilised. Engagement with the Pootle developers was good. We should look to get feedback from the community again in Q2 after the software upgrade. The CC would be willing to help the Pootle team carry out developments to meet OOo requirements if required.

'''Download Infrastructure Migration (MirrorBrain)'''

JPMcC reported that the Marketing Project download reporting system was now being fed from both Bouncer and MirrorBrain, and 3.2 would be released via MirrorBrain. He thanked the MirrorBrain team for their help in meeting OOo’s requirements.

'''Site Infrastructure Migration (Kenai)'''

ST reported on the project to migrate OOo from Collabnet to Kenai. Kenai is based on open source technologies such as Zoomla, Bugzilla, and Rails, but will be managed as a service by a team within Oracle. The OOo Project Leads and Web Project are now actively engaged on the migration which is planned to have three phases:

*fit-gap analysis of Kenai features vs OOo requirements (underway)
*any resulting OOo ‘must have’ features implemented in Kenai
*data migration scripts developed and proven (underway - Collabnet data dump received)

Migration must be complete by end of June. ST believed this was ambitious but achievable, as a pilot project (netbeans.org) had already migrated successfully. There would still be a requirement for a ‘*.services.oo.o’ for OOo-specific requirements.

Link: [http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home]

==== Agenda Items ====

The additional agenda can be found [[Community Council/Agenda/Face2Face|here]].

'''Oracle / Sun'''

The CC noted the contents of the recent webcasts by Oracle, and that the formal Legal Entity Consolidation of Oracle and Sun Microsystems was due this month. The CC had always valued the relationship with Sun, and looked forward to a similarly fruitful relationship with Oracle. The CC extended their best wishes to the formerly Sun-sponsored community contributors in their new home as a global business unit within Oracle Corporation. The CC had no comment to make on Oracle’s announcement of a commercial ‘Cloud Office’ product other than to state new entrants are always welcome to the ODF ecosystem.

'''Education Project'''

Following on from the ''Developing developers'' initiative and the work with Seneca, the CC debated where these activities should be best placed with OOo. The Education Project would seem an obvious home, but the project had recently undertaken a number of initiatives which were already taking it in several different directions. The CC agreed to talk to the project leads about the structure and remit of the project, to give greater focus and avoid conflicts with other projects.

'''Branding'''

''The CC welcomed Rosana Ardila Biela for this item''

RAB gave a presentation on the work to refresh and relaunch the visual identity of OOo, as part of a branding initiative within the Marketing Project. She presented a revamped OOo logo which was still work in progress within the working party. The CC warmly welcomed the activity, and encouraged the team to reach consensus on a new logo. If the team was unable to do so, then they should present options to the CC for another decision / route - however, it was far better for the experts in the team to decide, rather than the amateurs on the CC!

'''Native Language Community development'''

The CC discussed ways of encouraging NLC development.

*Requests for financial support for Regional Conferences would be considered on a case by case basis. Funding would be start-up only, as conferences are expected to be self-financing. The CC recommends that OOo teams should be encouraged to join forces with other open-source projects to share the costs and efforts involved in running conferences.
*NLCs should be encouraged to volunteer for a ‘Native Language Community of the Month’ spotlight in the OOo Newsletter - C-HS to organise.
*The CC discussed direct funding of new localisations e.g. at the request of a government. Past experience suggested these did not lead to sustainable versions. The success of the NLC within OOo was based round a team of activists providing a complete package of localisation, QA, training, support, etc.

'''‘Greening’ OpenOffice.org'''

The CC discussed ways of minimising OOo’s carbon footprint. OOo’s infrastructure is mostly donated by third parties, which means the CC cannot make direct decisions about e.g. using only renewable electricity in datacentres. The CC agreed that OOoCon should be made more accessible for remote attendees as a priority, e.g. improved web streaming, dial-in access to sessions, mandatory advance submission of papers, etc. Support of remote attendees should be made a key deciding factor in awarding the 2011 OOoCon. The Marketing Project was also asked to consider options - e.g. should the MP be responsible for a web capability centrally every year rather than rely on local teams?

'''Extensions Repository'''

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has notified the CC that the OOo Extensions Repository does not conform to FSF principles, as it hosts ‘non-free’ software. As a result, any software distributions wishing to conform to FSF standards should not make use of the OOo Repository. The CC agreed that licence information could be improved on the Repository, as this is an important factor people should consider when choosing extensions. The FSF would be welcomed to help in providing this sorting / filtering mechanism. However, the CC would not support a forking or partitioning of the Repository to exclude ‘non-free’ extensions. OOo respects the right of its users to make their own informed choice of software, and believes this is best achieved by a single Repository offering a full selection of extensions.

'''Community Council Effectiveness'''

CC members used the opportunity of this face to face meeting to brainstorm high and low points of 2009, and consider community goals for 2010/2011. An offline presentation by CN highlighted the lack of a consistent trail from the overall OOo mission statement down to project or release goals.

The CC discussed issues with its current processes:

*CC members over-committing to Action Items, which they then fail to deliver
*the quality of the minutes, which makes it hard for community members to understand what the CC is doing
*the amount of time taken up on IRC presenting status reports, which could be more efficiently done in advance

The CC also needs to improve its communication with the Community. The CC agreed to experiment with starting meetings with a public session. The Minutes should be prepared in a form that anyone can understand without having to work through IRC logs. It should also be possible to copy and paste from the Minutes into the monthly OOo Newsletter to give a ‘This Month in the Community Council’ article.

CN (the current facilitator) agreed to work on a new meeting template including these improvements. JPMcC agreed to write up the minutes for this meeting.

'''2010 Budget'''

MHe reported that the current level of monthly donations was sufficient to support the proposed budget. The majority of these donations came from small contributions via PayPal. The CC agreed to adopt the draft budget for 2010 but review it quarterly to see if the allocation between different headings should be amended. MHe agreed to publish a summary of ‘actual vs budget’ quarterly on the wiki. JPMcC agreed to refresh the budget wiki pages for 2010. All projects should be encouraged to put forward proposals for using all the available funding.

==== Action Items ====

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! No
! Action
! Who
! When
! Status
|-
| 
| Prepare wiki page for ‘Events’
| LS-P
| 
| ongoing
|-
| 
| Hold CC Elections (Martin, Pavel, John)
| LS-P
| 
| transferred to CN with help from JMcC
|-
| 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 
| Publicise the open slot at the start of the CC meetings
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.1
| Work with Clayton on estimates for ''Developing developers'' documentation
| JS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.2
| Talk to Google about 2010 SoC
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.3
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit
| CNou
| 
| 
|-
| 402.4
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter
| C-HS
| 
| 
|-
| 402.5
| Talk to Marketing Project about OOoCon support for remote attendees
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|-
| 402.6
| Reply to FSF Extensions Repository
| LS-P
| 
| 
|-
| 402.7
| New template for CC meetings
| CN
| 
| 
|-
| 402.8
| Refresh Budget Pages on the Wiki with input from MHe
| JPMcC
| 
| 
|}

 

== 2010-01-21 ==

=== IRC log ===

*[[Community Council Log 20100121]]

=== AIs ===

#Budget '''Louis: prepare a wiki page with events'''.
#Trademark Policy ''ST to take back to trademark list''
#Elections: first cycle is finished. Next steps:
##''Jürgen: Update council webpage'': (done)
##''Louis: Notification to broader community about results'' (done)
##'''Louis: Initiate phase 2 of the new election for Martin, Pavel, John.''': put on hold until after holidays, viz., post 6 jan
##'''Louis: advertise public part at #ooocouncilpub in the beginning before next council meeting''': Louis suggest we do it for next meeting.
#OpenOffice.org Internship
##'''Martin to put together a proposal for hiring a technical writer to document getting started on OOo development.''': open
##'''AI: "Winter of Code"; Cor to own and cry for help if required.'''; list to be used is mentoring @ ooo: open
#Distribution infrastructure (Bouncer); '''John''': We are on target to use mirrorbrain for 3.2; Louis proposed '''AI: that the CC publicly thanks the volunteer mirrors on the release of 3.2 for 9 plus years of heroic work including and esp. osuosl.'''
#l10n infrastructure (Pootle): ''ST: Pootle version upgrade imminent beginnig 2010''; ''AI: Owner?: find better tool that is a closer fit, if necessary''; '''Cor is going to contact Andre.'''
#Procedures for retirement of a project in Incubator and NLC. '''Louis: deliver final wording after the discussion that was on the mail list - carry forward'''; see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2101] to be inforporated in http://native-lang.openoffice.org/#terminus and http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html
#Proposal for handling incubator and NLC projects. '''Louis: come with clear proposal, so we can put it on the agenda for a future meeting - carry forward'''
#Budget 2010: ''AI: all budget holders to submit their requests for a share of this 100k''. See proposal from Matthias [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2324]; '''Vote on Matthias' Proposal pending'''
#Council coordinator: '''choosing ST's successor''' (for the period from February 2010 - May 2010). (done)
#'''Juergen: Prepare Agenda for F2F Meeting in Hamburg, February 4/5;'''
#Ja added: How to handle impolite remarks in IssueTracker issues ? See issue 107456. Corresponding user ignores changes made to the issue he wrote. (done)

== Archived Meeting Minutes ==

The following pages archive the old meeting minutes of the Community Council:

*[[Community Council/Minutes 2009|Minutes 2009]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2008|Minutes 2008]]
*[[Community Council/Minutes 2007|Minutes 2007]]

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Calendar

2010-07-19T20:42:27Z

ChristophNoack: Refined content a bit

{{Community_Council}} This page is intended to plan the regular meetings of the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council].

Related pages:

*[[Community Council/Agenda|Agenda]] for the next meeting 
*[[Community Council/Minutes|Minutes]] of previous meetings 

== Meetings in 2010 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day yyyy-mm-dd
! Time hh:mm
! Location
! [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Meeting_Guidelines#Public_QA Public QA]
! Comments 
|-
| 2010-21-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=01&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-04/05
| all day
| Hamburg
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-02-18
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=02&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-04 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-03-18 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=03&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-01 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-15 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-04-29 
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=04&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC 
| -
| Valid
|-
| 2010-05-20
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=20&month=05&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-06-10
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=06&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-01
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-07-22
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| Valid
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-12
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=08&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Valid 
|-
| 2010-08-31
| to be discussed
| Budapest
| Proposed
| Proposed. More Information: [http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/cfl/budapest.html Budapest], [http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2010 OOoCon2010]
|-
| 2010-09-24
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=09&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-10-14
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=10&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-04
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-11-25
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=11&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed 
|-
| 2010-12-16
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=12&year=2010&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
| -
| Proposed
|}

== Meetings in 2009 ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Day dd-mm
! Time hh:mm
! Location
|-
| 2009-11-03
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=04&month=11&year=2009&hour=15&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 16.30 UTC]
| Orvieto
|-
| 2009-11-26
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=11&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|-
| 2009-12-17
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=12&year=2009&hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 19.30 UTC]
| IRC
|}

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-07-19T19:52:03Z

ChristophNoack: Updated 2010-04-29#1 CC Election

Community Council

2010-07-19T19:51:02Z

ChristophNoack: Update for Andreas Bartel

{{Community_Council}}
== Introduction ==

The origins and purpose of the OpenOffice.org Community Council are explained on the [http://council.openoffice.org/ main Community Council site], where you will also find a list of the current members.

These wiki pages are used to record the day to day running of the Council, e.g agendas and minutes of meetings, budgets, etc. 

== Meetings ==

*[[Community Council/Agenda|Agenda]] contains the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items
*[[Community Council/Minutes|Minutes]] of the past meetings
*[[Community Council/Calendar|Calendar]] contains a list of future meetings
*[[Community Council/Meeting_Guidelines|Meeting Guidelines]] describe e.g. how to prepare the agenda
*[[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines#New_Action_Items|Meeting Guidelines, New Action Items]] describes how '''you can raise an issue''' for the Community Council. It will be added to the [[Community Council/Agenda|Agenda]] of the next meeting.
*For communication we use the IRC Channel ''#OOoCouncil'' on ''freenode''.

== Council coordinator ==

The council works with a internal coordinator who looks after the planning and the progress of action items ... so basically, it is about poking the colleagues ;-) The aim is to improve the overall Community Council performance and to help to share the feeling of having a joined responsibility.

Current council coordinator: Juergen Schmidt (see [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Minutes#2010-01-21 Minutes 2010-06-10])

Additional information:

*Next election expected: End of October 2010
*A council coordinator is appointed every 4 to 5 months. She/he is chosen from the council members.
*No formal change of rules intended.
*Previous council coordinators: Cor Nouws (first one, 2009-05-28), Stefan Taxhet, Christoph Noack

== Budget ==

Information about the Community Council budget and payments procedure is [[Community Council/Funding And Budgets|here]].

== Improving the Project OpenOffice.org ==

Watch and help the page for [[Community Council/Project Improvements|improvements in the project]].

== Elections of Council Representatives ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Election
! scope="col" | Wiki Page
! scope="col" | Additional Information
|-
| June 2010
| [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]]
|
*Product Development Representative: Andreas Bartel (successor of John McCreesh) 

|-
| March 2010
| [[Community Council/Elections/2010-03|2010-03]]
|
*Native Language Confederation Representative: Olivier Hallot (successor of Pavel Janík) 
*Code Contributor Representative: Eike Rathke (successor of Martin Hollmichel) 
*Product Development Representative: unconfirmed and still open (successor of John McCreesh) 

|-
| November 2009
| [[Community Council/Elections/200910|2009-10]]
|
*Code Contributor Representative: Juergen Schmidt (new council seat) 
*NLC Representative: Charles-H. Schulz (successor of Sophie Gautier) 
*Product Development Representative: Christoph Noack (successor of André Schnabel) 

|-
| Earlier
| None
| Sorry, you have to search for the changes in the OpenOffice.org mail archives :-)
|}

 

 

[[Category:Community_Council| ]]

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-07-19T19:50:04Z

ChristophNoack: Again, missed a small thing...

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} {{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''finalized''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2651 Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27338 Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org]
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2654 Updates mail on constituency (voters) list on discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=dev&msgNo=27447 Announcement mail on dev@openoffice.org]
*Voting invitation was sent to the constituency via private mail. 

|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| 2010-07-15 
|
*One week was provided for the review by the observers. 
*Observers confirmed the results via private mail (Sophie Gautier 2010-07-14, Mechtilde Stehmann 2010-07-14, Drew Jensen 2010-07-09) 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27614 Voting results mail on dev@openoffice.org] (Due to personal reasons delayed by a few days - sorry!) 

|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27425 Introduction Mail] 
|
*11 Votes 
*50 Eligible Voters 

| Not elected
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27389 Introduction Mail]
|
*'''27 Votes''' 
*50 Eligible Voters 

| Elected as new Community Council member 
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Result 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| Andreas Bartel 
| 27 Votes
| Elected as new Community Council Member
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>
== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-07-19T19:47:31Z

ChristophNoack: Missed small information

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} {{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2651 Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27338 Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org]
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2654 Updates mail on constituency (voters) list on discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=dev&msgNo=27447 Announcement mail on dev@openoffice.org]
*Voting invitation was sent to the constituency via private mail. 

|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| 2010-07-15 
|
*One week was provided for the review by the observers. 
*Observers confirmed the results via private mail (Sophie Gautier 2010-07-14, Mechtilde Stehmann 2010-07-14, Drew Jensen 2010-07-09) 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27614 Voting results mail on dev@openoffice.org] (Due to personal reasons delayed by a few days - sorry!) 

|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27425 Introduction Mail] 
|
*11 Votes 
*50 Eligible Voters 

| Not elected
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27389 Introduction Mail]
|
*'''27 Votes''' 
*50 Eligible Voters 

| Elected as new Community Council member 
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Result 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| Andreas Bartel 
| 27 Votes
| Elected as new Community Council Member
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>
== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-07-19T19:46:56Z

ChristophNoack: Updated with voting results

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} {{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2651 Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27338 Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org]
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2654 Updates mail on constituency (voters) list on discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=dev&msgNo=27447 Announcement mail on dev@openoffice.org]
*Voting invitation was sent to the constituency via private mail. 

|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| 2010-07-15 
|
*One week was provided for the review by the observers. 
*Observers confirmed the results via private mail (Sophie Gautier 2010-07-14, Mechtilde Stehmann 2010-07-14, Drew Jensen 2010-07-09) 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27614 Voting results mail on dev@openoffice.org] (Due to personal reasons delayed by a few days - sorry!) 

|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27425 Introduction Mail] 
|
*11 Votes 
*50 Eligible Voters 

| Not elected
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27389 Introduction Mail]
|
*'''27 Votes''' 
* 

| Elected as new Community Council member 
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Result 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| Andreas Bartel 
| 27 Votes
| Elected as new Community Council Member
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
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== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council Log 20100701

2010-07-01T20:19:47Z

ChristophNoack: Added wiki template

{{Community_Council}}
=== IRC Log 2010-07-01 ===

*Supposed start time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18:30 UTC]
*Location: IRC

== Attendees ==

*Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
*Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
*Eike Rathke (erAck)
*Juergen Schmidt (jsc))
*Matthias Huetsch (mhu)
*Martin Hollmichel (_Nesshof_, deputy of Stefan Taxhet) 
*Stefan Taxhet (stx12) 

== Absent ==

*Charles-H. Schulz
*Louis Suárez-Potts
*Olivier Hallot

== Log ==

(20:39:43) stx12: I joined only for the first few minutes. 
(20:40:02) stx12: thanks to martin for jumpin in. 
(20:40:23) jsc: ok, shall we wait longer or start? 
(20:40:24) stx12: I would like to let you all know that we now officially joined Oracle in Germany. 
(20:40:48) christoph_n: You mean: Oooracle 
(20:41:01) stx12: As agreed earlier I will change Sun Microsystems 
(20:41:13) stx12: and/or Sun/Oracle to Oracle at some occurrences - including the Council Charter. 
(20:41:50) stx12: christoph_n: there are too many acronyms with many O's ;-) 
(20:42:18) christoph_n: O(racle) my god? I hope this doesn't make it into the log ... :-) 
(20:42:18) stx12: For the remainder of the meeting Martin will jump in for me. have fun... 
(20:42:39) christoph_n: Thanks Stefan; enjoy your evening! 
(20:42:53) stx12: bye all 
(20:42:59) jsc: ok, i think we can start and Stephan's can be seen as the first official meeting part. 
(20:43:01) mhu: bye stx12 
(20:43:14) stx12 hat den Raum verlassen. 
(20:43:15) CorNouws: stx12: bye 
(20:44:32) jsc: AI 0: do we all agree and accept the minutes from the last meeting and the today's agenda? 
(20:44:42) CorNouws: anything heard from Louis and Charles? 
(20:44:53) christoph_n: Nope. 
(20:45:29) jsc: we are 15 minutes over the start time, i think we can start... 
(20:45:30) ***CorNouws they prolly test how hard jsc can chase them ;-) 
(20:45:44) CorNouws: jsc: yes pls 
(20:46:14) jsc: 2010-03-04#2 is for Louis, i expect no update today ;-) next ... 
(20:46:27) jsc: 2010-03-04#3: Martin? 
(20:46:38) ***CorNouws ah, great, our coordiantor chairs 
(20:46:50) _Nesshof_: as suggest above, would like to tranfer the AI to you 
(20:47:24) jsc: mmh, ok we should clean up the agenda, i will take it 
(20:47:25) _Nesshof_: helps me to get some more distance and develop some new ideas 
(20:47:43) jsc: accepted for 1 beer 
(20:47:54) _Nesshof_: jsc: ok, no problem 
(20:47:56) ***christoph_n thinks about the size of this beer 
(20:48:07) jsc: 2010-03-04#4: oh it's me ... 
(20:48:19) jsc: ok a short update or better final note 
(20:48:49) jsc: the bounty program was announce and is running. We have already 2 bounties assigned. 
(20:49:17) jsc: We will review the program after some time to see how it works and/or what can be improved ... 
(20:49:31) jsc: overall it's doe for the moment and i will keep you informed 
(20:49:49) _Nesshof_: can we drop this item from the agenda then ? 
(20:49:53) christoph_n: Thank you! (By the way...) 
(20:49:54) jsc: if nobody complains i would mark this AI as finalized. 
(20:50:05) jsc: i think so 
(20:50:21) jsc: and i will remove all other done AI'S 
(20:50:26) ***_Nesshof_ is glad to see this done 
(20:50:31) jsc: any questions on this AI? 
(20:50:49) ***mhu is happy to spend money for the bounties :-) 
(20:51:12) jsc: 2010-03-04#5: is finalized and will be removed for the next meeting 
(20:51:24) jsc: 2010-03-04#6: Cor? 
(20:51:39) CorNouws: yes, sorry 
(20:51:48) ***jsc is thinking that we should mark this stalled for the moment 
(20:51:48) CorNouws: (was at the kitchen) 
(20:51:58) CorNouws: is done so on the agenda 
(20:52:09) CorNouws: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda</a> 
(20:52:24) jsc: ah i see, relaod shows me your changes ;-) 
(20:53:01) CorNouws: ok, had done that yesterday evening, I think 
(20:53:15) jsc: 2010-04-01#7: Charles, probably also no update next ... 
(20:53:36) jsc: 2010-04-01#1: all ... any updates? 
(20:53:43) CorNouws: a good one for Budapest? 
(20:53:59) christoph_n: Of course! 
(20:54:01) CorNouws: no nead for more agenda points, I think. 
(20:54:06) jsc: yes, i agree 
(20:54:15) CorNouws: bit of cofee and beer (non alcohol pls ;-) ) will do 
(20:54:34) christoph_n: Okay, then we'll require a data for that ... we should add this to this discussion. 
(20:54:43) christoph_n: data --> date (sorry) 
(20:55:01) jsc: that brings up the question if we should plan an official CC meeting there? It's not yet confirmed 
(20:55:05) CorNouws: ok, may I suggest that I start collecting items for the agenda at the OoCON? 
(20:55:27) christoph_n: You may suggest ;-) 
(20:55:51) CorNouws: cc meeting as meeting and one Q&A with public? 
(20:56:03) mhu: yes 
(20:56:13) CorNouws: though I am not happy with our Q&A 's from the past 
(20:56:44) mhu: more with the Q part, or with the A part ? 
(20:56:52) jsc: what should be improved to make you happy? 
(20:56:56) CorNouws: but dull, low information level, all stuff that could heve been read on the wiki by all... 
(20:57:09) CorNouws: will thikn about it, and post my ideas on the list ...? 
(20:57:40) mhu: okay for me 
(20:57:58) erAck: ok 
(20:58:02) jsc: i suggest taht we all think about it. It's our chance to meet with our community in person ... 
(20:58:44) CorNouws: jsc: of course, look forward to any idea, but you may use my ideas as starter for your own, discussion (...) 
(21:00:26) jsc: ok, so we are plan for an official CC meeting in Budapest and in a special way for a community focused part. However it will look like. 
(21:00:57) CorNouws: thnx, I will take the two AI's 
(21:01:00) jsc: anything else on this AI or shall we move on? 
(21:01:05) christoph_n: (Thanks Cor!) 
(21:01:09) jsc: ok 
(21:01:34) jsc: 2010-04-29#1: Christoph? 
(21:01:38) _Nesshof_: stefan will send out an reminder on July 5th, election will end July 8th 
(21:01:50) christoph_n: Thanks! Well, ... 
(21:02:08) christoph_n: ... the current status is, that we have two people nominated. Voting is currently in progress, but... 
(21:02:24) christoph_n: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
(21:02:47) christoph_n: The bylaws just say "at least two weeks". I'm fine with two weeks, but what do you think? 
(21:03:33) ***_Nesshof_ thinks two weeks are enough, we already extended the period because of this argument 
(21:03:33) erAck: do we know of people with voting rights who are on vacation? 
(21:03:36) jsc: i am also fine with 2 weeks 
(21:03:36) christoph_n: More formally; do you see a need to extend the voting period by one week? 
(21:04:01) christoph_n: Ahh, okay. Anybody who raises it's hand _against_ the two weeks period? 
(21:04:29) jsc: well i am fine with it but think that we don't need it ;-) 
(21:04:40) christoph_n: Okay, then we'll keep it. We have enough upcoming elections :-) 
(21:04:42) jsc: anyway i am flexible 
(21:04:59) christoph_n: From my point-of-view, we might move on... 
(21:05:15) CorNouws: ok for me too 
(21:05:27) jsc: 2010-04-29#2: ok again you and Stephan 
(21:05:28) christoph_n: 2010-04-29#2 Missing OOo desktop presence 
(21:06:05) christoph_n: We started an internal discussion including Cor and Olivier, but there is not much progress, since ... 
(21:06:05) CorNouws: interesting and delicate subject 
(21:06:19) CorNouws: good chance for us to show what we can achieve, IMO 
(21:06:31) _Nesshof_: :-) 
(21:06:49) christoph_n: ... I currently experience some things which might lead to RSI. So I am a bit behind in terms of discussion. 
(21:06:51) CorNouws: yes, it is difficult, but also can be (turn out) positive, you know 
(21:07:05) ***jsc is thinking that would like to know more ... 
(21:07:22) CorNouws: looking at what we discussed, I think it is time to find a way to form an i-team? 
(21:08:04) CorNouws: jsc: that _he_ would like to know more? 
(21:08:06) christoph_n: However, we currently try to figure out how to make up an I-Team and how to work together. From my point-of-view it is important that this is community supported (both in people and in decisions). 
(21:08:32) christoph_n: Cor, did I forget anything? 
(21:09:01) CorNouws: hmm, let me think 
(21:09:11) erAck: should that be some sort of "call for i-team"? 
(21:09:41) CorNouws: erAck: yes, but expectations first ... 
(21:09:43) christoph_n: Not yet, unfortunately. We currently talk about how we make sure that goals are set up and communicated and so on. 
(21:09:54) CorNouws: let me explain pls. 
(21:10:59) CorNouws: it is obvious that most remarks we hear, are about lacking colors on the 'application'-icons 
(21:11:12) CorNouws: so the challence is, 
(21:11:22) CorNouws: to start in a way, with people, a team, 
(21:11:37) CorNouws: that is able to look at this question openly, withou 
(21:11:56) CorNouws: t a definity must or may not, right from the start. 
(21:12:19) CorNouws: something like that, is most important at the moment IMO, and also 
(21:12:42) CorNouws: there is some feeling of urgency among users, that is hard to combine with 
(21:12:59) CorNouws: any shedule for the next release, anyway, that is how I 
(21:13:13) CorNouws: would judge it with my limited knowlegde of that process 
(21:13:46) CorNouws: ok, clear how I see the area? 
(21:14:38) christoph_n: Thanks for the good explanation! I just want to add that there are also other questions/issues among users that have to be treated in a similar way. 
(21:14:50) jsc: i can at least imagine that it is no easy discussion with probably different views and opinions. 
(21:14:52) jsc: thanks for sharing your view 
(21:15:10) CorNouws: any members here with good knowledge of release processes ;-) ? 
(21:15:19) ***_Nesshof_ hides 
(21:15:25) CorNouws: :-D 
(21:15:35) ***christoph_n doesn't see _Nesshof 
(21:15:51) ***jsc is laughing 
(21:16:15) _Nesshof_: so, what is the question ? 
(21:16:52) _Nesshof_: what the next reasonable release will be ? 
(21:17:04) CorNouws: do you think my vision, is a reasonable prequsitory (how do I write that) to start? 
(21:17:24) CorNouws: start in a way, with people, a team, 
(21:17:24) CorNouws: (21:11:36) CorNouws: that is able to look at this question openly, withou 
(21:17:24) CorNouws: (21:11:56) CorNouws: t a definity must or may not, right from the start. 
(21:18:16) _Nesshof_: yes, but ... 
(21:18:42) CorNouws: ... 
(21:18:50) _Nesshof_: .. we should focus on a solution, no having a deadline on front of our heads 
(21:19:10) CorNouws: I can understand that 
(21:19:21) CorNouws: and also agree, to some level 
(21:19:30) _Nesshof_: but of course deadlines can help 
(21:19:40) CorNouws: maybe we will even be able to explain it .. 
(21:19:51) CorNouws: yes, reasonable deadlines 
(21:20:10) CorNouws: but, good to hear/read. 
(21:20:28) CorNouws: I think when we find a way to set up a good process, that we all can trust in, it 
(21:20:29) christoph_n: Okay, would it be better to come back to that topic, later on? Later means in our thread? 
(21:20:45) CorNouws: also will be possible ot explain to people that we cannot do it overnight 
(21:20:58) CorNouws: - even if we would like to 
(21:21:03) ***_Nesshof_ assumes that thread is private ? 
(21:21:11) CorNouws: yip 
(21:21:41) christoph_n: Let's say it is not yet official :-) 
(21:21:42) CorNouws: some preparations are delicate, we all know 
(21:21:51) _Nesshof_: yes 
(21:22:13) ***jsc is thinking that it would better to discuss such general questions in the whole CC 
(21:22:16) CorNouws: I can inform you, _Nesshof_. Others that want some extra to read? 
(21:22:28) _Nesshof_: ouch :-( 
(21:22:35) christoph_n: jsc: Then we might do this on the CC list? 
(21:23:05) CorNouws: at the very moment that you are finding ways to build a base on which 
(21:23:15) CorNouws: you can work in a trustful maner, it helps 
(21:23:16) jsc: not directly public for all but at least keep the CC members informed 
(21:23:27) CorNouws: if it is not yet done on a piblic list.... 
(21:23:42) CorNouws: but the work will be done in public, that is obvious 
(21:24:11) CorNouws: jsc: that is what I wanted to say, yes 
(21:25:21) jsc: ok, anything else for now? 
(21:25:51) jsc: 3. 2. 1. ... 
(21:25:57) christoph_n: "Deins" :-) 
(21:26:14) christoph_n: Just a joke! 
(21:26:19) jsc: 2010-05-20#1: this one is done and i will remove it as well 
(21:26:34) christoph_n: Thanks Jürgen! By the way ... 
(21:26:42) jsc: seems that we are done for today ... 
(21:26:45) christoph_n: ... one of my last tasks was to introduce the CC template in the wiki. 
(21:27:00) jsc: but i would like to give you a short update on the internship... 
(21:27:03) christoph_n: I added it to all CC related pages, so if you like improvements/changes - just go on. 
(21:27:07) jsc: if you are interested ;-) 
(21:27:17) christoph_n: Well, aehm ... Yes!!! 
(21:27:50) erAck: jsc: yes please. 
(21:27:58) jsc: ok, the application period closed yesterday 
(21:28:13) jsc: we got 135 applications 
(21:28:20) erAck: wow 
(21:28:36) jsc: we have already started the final evaluation and selection phase 
(21:28:53) jsc: because of the huge number it will take some more days but ... 
(21:29:12) jsc: i think we can finish this next week and can start. 
(21:29:54) jsc: i expect that we can run all 7 projects, maybe only 6 we will see. 
(21:29:56) jsc: mhu: you will have to pay money ;-) 
(21:30:23) jsc: one negative aspect arises during the application period. 
(21:31:07) ***mhu is happy to spend money for a good purpose :-) 
(21:31:09) jsc: one mentor showed that he wasn't very helpful and communicative ... 
(21:31:33) jsc: in the end i had to cancel all his projects 
(21:31:54) CorNouws: yes, better avoid that next year. 
(21:31:58) CorNouws: I already offered to send a mail to people that - alas - can not join. 
(21:32:07) christoph_n: That's a pity. But better now than after work started ... 
(21:32:21) CorNouws: May I suggest that I/we also write a mail, confirming the current state, to all people that applied as well tomorrow 
(21:32:31) jsc: that was not very nice for the applicants and in the end was not really good for our project ... 
(21:32:32) mhu: any more details about that mentor that you can share with us? 
(21:32:55) CorNouws: starts with E end with ard ? 
(21:33:04) mhu: I thought so 
(21:33:15) mhu: thanks 
(21:33:18) CorNouws: it is written on the internlist as well, so no secret 
(21:33:29) CorNouws: internship list 
(21:33:49) mhu: but that is again a list that I'm not subscribed too :-( 
(21:33:56) mhu: :-) 
(21:34:05) jsc: well we canceled 2 further projects where the mentor hadn't enough time. But tat was slightly different. 
(21:34:27) jsc: mentors, were 2 diffeerent 
(21:34:54) jsc: anyway i think if we will run such a program again we will improve this ... 
(21:35:04) jsc: we always learn ... 
(21:35:19) jsc: finally ... 
(21:35:51) jsc: i was very impressed by the number of applicants and i think we have already or will choose some good candidates... 
(21:36:12) CorNouws: yes, really promising and impressive. 
(21:36:28) jsc: and we will hopefully get some good results in the end. I am very confident that the mentors we have will do a very good job with their students. 
(21:36:41) CorNouws: and I think a big thank to Juergen, Matthias and Svante for their work on this! 
(21:36:49) erAck: indeed 
(21:36:53) christoph_n: Absolutely! 
(21:37:18) _Nesshof_: +1 
(21:37:23) mhu: indeed (but that other Mathias is written with a single "t" only) 
(21:37:25) jsc: well it was also fun (sometimes) to read all the applications ;-) 
(21:38:25) christoph_n: Just a question: Is this internship linked anywhere? I don't find it on the general list list... 
(21:38:37) jsc: that's it from me and i am looking forward to report more in some month 
(21:38:41) jsc: ups ... 
(21:39:14) erAck: christoph_n: probably not linked, <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=internship">http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=internship</a> 
(21:39:32) christoph_n: Already found it, thanks! I'll add that to the Internship wiki page, okay? 
(21:39:37) jsc: mmh, i think it's in the wiki <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship</a> 
(21:40:04) jsc: i think it's there but probably not as link 
(21:40:25) erAck: ah, yes, it is 
(21:40:35) christoph_n: Ahh! Found it! 
(21:40:45) christoph_n: Thanks! 
(21:41:00) CorNouws: thanks all for now? 
(21:41:00) CorNouws: (If possible, I would love to finish, leaving for a nice evening cycle tour...) 
(21:41:30) christoph_n: Okay, I think the "Flammkuchen" is finished, too ;-) 
(21:41:37) jsc: ok, the offical part of the meeting is finished now. 

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Community Council Log 20100701

2010-07-01T20:17:50Z

ChristophNoack: Initial creation

=== IRC Log 2010-07-01 ===

*Supposed start time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18:30 UTC]
*Location: IRC

== Attendees ==

*Christoph Noack (christoph_n)
*Cor Nouws (CorNouws)
*Eike Rathke (erAck)
*Juergen Schmidt (jsc))
*Matthias Huetsch (mhu)
*Martin Hollmichel (_Nesshof_, deputy of Stefan Taxhet) 
*Stefan Taxhet (stx12) 

== Absent ==

*Charles-H. Schulz
*Louis Suárez-Potts
*Olivier Hallot

== Log ==

(20:39:43) stx12: I joined only for the first few minutes. 
(20:40:02) stx12: thanks to martin for jumpin in. 
(20:40:23) jsc: ok, shall we wait longer or start? 
(20:40:24) stx12: I would like to let you all know that we now officially joined Oracle in Germany. 
(20:40:48) christoph_n: You mean: Oooracle 
(20:41:01) stx12: As agreed earlier I will change Sun Microsystems 
(20:41:13) stx12: and/or Sun/Oracle to Oracle at some occurrences - including the Council Charter. 
(20:41:50) stx12: christoph_n: there are too many acronyms with many O's ;-) 
(20:42:18) christoph_n: O(racle) my god? I hope this doesn't make it into the log ... :-) 
(20:42:18) stx12: For the remainder of the meeting Martin will jump in for me. have fun... 
(20:42:39) christoph_n: Thanks Stefan; enjoy your evening! 
(20:42:53) stx12: bye all 
(20:42:59) jsc: ok, i think we can start and Stephan's can be seen as the first official meeting part. 
(20:43:01) mhu: bye stx12 
(20:43:14) stx12 hat den Raum verlassen. 
(20:43:15) CorNouws: stx12: bye 
(20:44:32) jsc: AI 0: do we all agree and accept the minutes from the last meeting and the today's agenda? 
(20:44:42) CorNouws: anything heard from Louis and Charles? 
(20:44:53) christoph_n: Nope. 
(20:45:29) jsc: we are 15 minutes over the start time, i think we can start... 
(20:45:30) ***CorNouws they prolly test how hard jsc can chase them ;-) 
(20:45:44) CorNouws: jsc: yes pls 
(20:46:14) jsc: 2010-03-04#2 is for Louis, i expect no update today ;-) next ... 
(20:46:27) jsc: 2010-03-04#3: Martin? 
(20:46:38) ***CorNouws ah, great, our coordiantor chairs 
(20:46:50) _Nesshof_: as suggest above, would like to tranfer the AI to you 
(20:47:24) jsc: mmh, ok we should clean up the agenda, i will take it 
(20:47:25) _Nesshof_: helps me to get some more distance and develop some new ideas 
(20:47:43) jsc: accepted for 1 beer 
(20:47:54) _Nesshof_: jsc: ok, no problem 
(20:47:56) ***christoph_n thinks about the size of this beer 
(20:48:07) jsc: 2010-03-04#4: oh it's me ... 
(20:48:19) jsc: ok a short update or better final note 
(20:48:49) jsc: the bounty program was announce and is running. We have already 2 bounties assigned. 
(20:49:17) jsc: We will review the program after some time to see how it works and/or what can be improved ... 
(20:49:31) jsc: overall it's doe for the moment and i will keep you informed 
(20:49:49) _Nesshof_: can we drop this item from the agenda then ? 
(20:49:53) christoph_n: Thank you! (By the way...) 
(20:49:54) jsc: if nobody complains i would mark this AI as finalized. 
(20:50:05) jsc: i think so 
(20:50:21) jsc: and i will remove all other done AI'S 
(20:50:26) ***_Nesshof_ is glad to see this done 
(20:50:31) jsc: any questions on this AI? 
(20:50:49) ***mhu is happy to spend money for the bounties :-) 
(20:51:12) jsc: 2010-03-04#5: is finalized and will be removed for the next meeting 
(20:51:24) jsc: 2010-03-04#6: Cor? 
(20:51:39) CorNouws: yes, sorry 
(20:51:48) ***jsc is thinking that we should mark this stalled for the moment 
(20:51:48) CorNouws: (was at the kitchen) 
(20:51:58) CorNouws: is done so on the agenda 
(20:52:09) CorNouws: <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda</a> 
(20:52:24) jsc: ah i see, relaod shows me your changes ;-) 
(20:53:01) CorNouws: ok, had done that yesterday evening, I think 
(20:53:15) jsc: 2010-04-01#7: Charles, probably also no update next ... 
(20:53:36) jsc: 2010-04-01#1: all ... any updates? 
(20:53:43) CorNouws: a good one for Budapest? 
(20:53:59) christoph_n: Of course! 
(20:54:01) CorNouws: no nead for more agenda points, I think. 
(20:54:06) jsc: yes, i agree 
(20:54:15) CorNouws: bit of cofee and beer (non alcohol pls ;-) ) will do 
(20:54:34) christoph_n: Okay, then we'll require a data for that ... we should add this to this discussion. 
(20:54:43) christoph_n: data --> date (sorry) 
(20:55:01) jsc: that brings up the question if we should plan an official CC meeting there? It's not yet confirmed 
(20:55:05) CorNouws: ok, may I suggest that I start collecting items for the agenda at the OoCON? 
(20:55:27) christoph_n: You may suggest ;-) 
(20:55:51) CorNouws: cc meeting as meeting and one Q&A with public? 
(20:56:03) mhu: yes 
(20:56:13) CorNouws: though I am not happy with our Q&A 's from the past 
(20:56:44) mhu: more with the Q part, or with the A part ? 
(20:56:52) jsc: what should be improved to make you happy? 
(20:56:56) CorNouws: but dull, low information level, all stuff that could heve been read on the wiki by all... 
(20:57:09) CorNouws: will thikn about it, and post my ideas on the list ...? 
(20:57:40) mhu: okay for me 
(20:57:58) erAck: ok 
(20:58:02) jsc: i suggest taht we all think about it. It's our chance to meet with our community in person ... 
(20:58:44) CorNouws: jsc: of course, look forward to any idea, but you may use my ideas as starter for your own, discussion (...) 
(21:00:26) jsc: ok, so we are plan for an official CC meeting in Budapest and in a special way for a community focused part. However it will look like. 
(21:00:57) CorNouws: thnx, I will take the two AI's 
(21:01:00) jsc: anything else on this AI or shall we move on? 
(21:01:05) christoph_n: (Thanks Cor!) 
(21:01:09) jsc: ok 
(21:01:34) jsc: 2010-04-29#1: Christoph? 
(21:01:38) _Nesshof_: stefan will send out an reminder on July 5th, election will end July 8th 
(21:01:50) christoph_n: Thanks! Well, ... 
(21:02:08) christoph_n: ... the current status is, that we have two people nominated. Voting is currently in progress, but... 
(21:02:24) christoph_n: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
(21:02:47) christoph_n: The bylaws just say "at least two weeks". I'm fine with two weeks, but what do you think? 
(21:03:33) ***_Nesshof_ thinks two weeks are enough, we already extended the period because of this argument 
(21:03:33) erAck: do we know of people with voting rights who are on vacation? 
(21:03:36) jsc: i am also fine with 2 weeks 
(21:03:36) christoph_n: More formally; do you see a need to extend the voting period by one week? 
(21:04:01) christoph_n: Ahh, okay. Anybody who raises it's hand _against_ the two weeks period? 
(21:04:29) jsc: well i am fine with it but think that we don't need it ;-) 
(21:04:40) christoph_n: Okay, then we'll keep it. We have enough upcoming elections :-) 
(21:04:42) jsc: anyway i am flexible 
(21:04:59) christoph_n: From my point-of-view, we might move on... 
(21:05:15) CorNouws: ok for me too 
(21:05:27) jsc: 2010-04-29#2: ok again you and Stephan 
(21:05:28) christoph_n: 2010-04-29#2 Missing OOo desktop presence 
(21:06:05) christoph_n: We started an internal discussion including Cor and Olivier, but there is not much progress, since ... 
(21:06:05) CorNouws: interesting and delicate subject 
(21:06:19) CorNouws: good chance for us to show what we can achieve, IMO 
(21:06:31) _Nesshof_: :-) 
(21:06:49) christoph_n: ... I currently experience some things which might lead to RSI. So I am a bit behind in terms of discussion. 
(21:06:51) CorNouws: yes, it is difficult, but also can be (turn out) positive, you know 
(21:07:05) ***jsc is thinking that would like to know more ... 
(21:07:22) CorNouws: looking at what we discussed, I think it is time to find a way to form an i-team? 
(21:08:04) CorNouws: jsc: that _he_ would like to know more? 
(21:08:06) christoph_n: However, we currently try to figure out how to make up an I-Team and how to work together. From my point-of-view it is important that this is community supported (both in people and in decisions). 
(21:08:32) christoph_n: Cor, did I forget anything? 
(21:09:01) CorNouws: hmm, let me think 
(21:09:11) erAck: should that be some sort of "call for i-team"? 
(21:09:41) CorNouws: erAck: yes, but expectations first ... 
(21:09:43) christoph_n: Not yet, unfortunately. We currently talk about how we make sure that goals are set up and communicated and so on. 
(21:09:54) CorNouws: let me explain pls. 
(21:10:59) CorNouws: it is obvious that most remarks we hear, are about lacking colors on the 'application'-icons 
(21:11:12) CorNouws: so the challence is, 
(21:11:22) CorNouws: to start in a way, with people, a team, 
(21:11:37) CorNouws: that is able to look at this question openly, withou 
(21:11:56) CorNouws: t a definity must or may not, right from the start. 
(21:12:19) CorNouws: something like that, is most important at the moment IMO, and also 
(21:12:42) CorNouws: there is some feeling of urgency among users, that is hard to combine with 
(21:12:59) CorNouws: any shedule for the next release, anyway, that is how I 
(21:13:13) CorNouws: would judge it with my limited knowlegde of that process 
(21:13:46) CorNouws: ok, clear how I see the area? 
(21:14:38) christoph_n: Thanks for the good explanation! I just want to add that there are also other questions/issues among users that have to be treated in a similar way. 
(21:14:50) jsc: i can at least imagine that it is no easy discussion with probably different views and opinions. 
(21:14:52) jsc: thanks for sharing your view 
(21:15:10) CorNouws: any members here with good knowledge of release processes ;-) ? 
(21:15:19) ***_Nesshof_ hides 
(21:15:25) CorNouws: :-D 
(21:15:35) ***christoph_n doesn't see _Nesshof 
(21:15:51) ***jsc is laughing 
(21:16:15) _Nesshof_: so, what is the question ? 
(21:16:52) _Nesshof_: what the next reasonable release will be ? 
(21:17:04) CorNouws: do you think my vision, is a reasonable prequsitory (how do I write that) to start? 
(21:17:24) CorNouws: start in a way, with people, a team, 
(21:17:24) CorNouws: (21:11:36) CorNouws: that is able to look at this question openly, withou 
(21:17:24) CorNouws: (21:11:56) CorNouws: t a definity must or may not, right from the start. 
(21:18:16) _Nesshof_: yes, but ... 
(21:18:42) CorNouws: ... 
(21:18:50) _Nesshof_: .. we should focus on a solution, no having a deadline on front of our heads 
(21:19:10) CorNouws: I can understand that 
(21:19:21) CorNouws: and also agree, to some level 
(21:19:30) _Nesshof_: but of course deadlines can help 
(21:19:40) CorNouws: maybe we will even be able to explain it .. 
(21:19:51) CorNouws: yes, reasonable deadlines 
(21:20:10) CorNouws: but, good to hear/read. 
(21:20:28) CorNouws: I think when we find a way to set up a good process, that we all can trust in, it 
(21:20:29) christoph_n: Okay, would it be better to come back to that topic, later on? Later means in our thread? 
(21:20:45) CorNouws: also will be possible ot explain to people that we cannot do it overnight 
(21:20:58) CorNouws: - even if we would like to 
(21:21:03) ***_Nesshof_ assumes that thread is private ? 
(21:21:11) CorNouws: yip 
(21:21:41) christoph_n: Let's say it is not yet official :-) 
(21:21:42) CorNouws: some preparations are delicate, we all know 
(21:21:51) _Nesshof_: yes 
(21:22:13) ***jsc is thinking that it would better to discuss such general questions in the whole CC 
(21:22:16) CorNouws: I can inform you, _Nesshof_. Others that want some extra to read? 
(21:22:28) _Nesshof_: ouch :-( 
(21:22:35) christoph_n: jsc: Then we might do this on the CC list? 
(21:23:05) CorNouws: at the very moment that you are finding ways to build a base on which 
(21:23:15) CorNouws: you can work in a trustful maner, it helps 
(21:23:16) jsc: not directly public for all but at least keep the CC members informed 
(21:23:27) CorNouws: if it is not yet done on a piblic list.... 
(21:23:42) CorNouws: but the work will be done in public, that is obvious 
(21:24:11) CorNouws: jsc: that is what I wanted to say, yes 
(21:25:21) jsc: ok, anything else for now? 
(21:25:51) jsc: 3. 2. 1. ... 
(21:25:57) christoph_n: "Deins" :-) 
(21:26:14) christoph_n: Just a joke! 
(21:26:19) jsc: 2010-05-20#1: this one is done and i will remove it as well 
(21:26:34) christoph_n: Thanks Jürgen! By the way ... 
(21:26:42) jsc: seems that we are done for today ... 
(21:26:45) christoph_n: ... one of my last tasks was to introduce the CC template in the wiki. 
(21:27:00) jsc: but i would like to give you a short update on the internship... 
(21:27:03) christoph_n: I added it to all CC related pages, so if you like improvements/changes - just go on. 
(21:27:07) jsc: if you are interested ;-) 
(21:27:17) christoph_n: Well, aehm ... Yes!!! 
(21:27:50) erAck: jsc: yes please. 
(21:27:58) jsc: ok, the application period closed yesterday 
(21:28:13) jsc: we got 135 applications 
(21:28:20) erAck: wow 
(21:28:36) jsc: we have already started the final evaluation and selection phase 
(21:28:53) jsc: because of the huge number it will take some more days but ... 
(21:29:12) jsc: i think we can finish this next week and can start. 
(21:29:54) jsc: i expect that we can run all 7 projects, maybe only 6 we will see. 
(21:29:56) jsc: mhu: you will have to pay money ;-) 
(21:30:23) jsc: one negative aspect arises during the application period. 
(21:31:07) ***mhu is happy to spend money for a good purpose :-) 
(21:31:09) jsc: one mentor showed that he wasn't very helpful and communicative ... 
(21:31:33) jsc: in the end i had to cancel all his projects 
(21:31:54) CorNouws: yes, better avoid that next year. 
(21:31:58) CorNouws: I already offered to send a mail to people that - alas - can not join. 
(21:32:07) christoph_n: That's a pity. But better now than after work started ... 
(21:32:21) CorNouws: May I suggest that I/we also write a mail, confirming the current state, to all people that applied as well tomorrow 
(21:32:31) jsc: that was not very nice for the applicants and in the end was not really good for our project ... 
(21:32:32) mhu: any more details about that mentor that you can share with us? 
(21:32:55) CorNouws: starts with E end with ard ? 
(21:33:04) mhu: I thought so 
(21:33:15) mhu: thanks 
(21:33:18) CorNouws: it is written on the internlist as well, so no secret 
(21:33:29) CorNouws: internship list 
(21:33:49) mhu: but that is again a list that I'm not subscribed too :-( 
(21:33:56) mhu: :-) 
(21:34:05) jsc: well we canceled 2 further projects where the mentor hadn't enough time. But tat was slightly different. 
(21:34:27) jsc: mentors, were 2 diffeerent 
(21:34:54) jsc: anyway i think if we will run such a program again we will improve this ... 
(21:35:04) jsc: we always learn ... 
(21:35:19) jsc: finally ... 
(21:35:51) jsc: i was very impressed by the number of applicants and i think we have already or will choose some good candidates... 
(21:36:12) CorNouws: yes, really promising and impressive. 
(21:36:28) jsc: and we will hopefully get some good results in the end. I am very confident that the mentors we have will do a very good job with their students. 
(21:36:41) CorNouws: and I think a big thank to Juergen, Matthias and Svante for their work on this! 
(21:36:49) erAck: indeed 
(21:36:53) christoph_n: Absolutely! 
(21:37:18) _Nesshof_: +1 
(21:37:23) mhu: indeed (but that other Mathias is written with a single "t" only) 
(21:37:25) jsc: well it was also fun (sometimes) to read all the applications ;-) 
(21:38:25) christoph_n: Just a question: Is this internship linked anywhere? I don't find it on the general list list... 
(21:38:37) jsc: that's it from me and i am looking forward to report more in some month 
(21:38:41) jsc: ups ... 
(21:39:14) erAck: christoph_n: probably not linked, <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=internship">http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=internship</a> 
(21:39:32) christoph_n: Already found it, thanks! I'll add that to the Internship wiki page, okay? 
(21:39:37) jsc: mmh, i think it's in the wiki <a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship">http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship</a> 
(21:40:04) jsc: i think it's there but probably not as link 
(21:40:25) erAck: ah, yes, it is 
(21:40:35) christoph_n: Ahh! Found it! 
(21:40:45) christoph_n: Thanks! 
(21:41:00) CorNouws: thanks all for now? 
(21:41:00) CorNouws: (If possible, I would love to finish, leaving for a nice evening cycle tour...) 
(21:41:30) christoph_n: Okay, I think the "Flammkuchen" is finished, too ;-) 
(21:41:37) jsc: ok, the offical part of the meeting is finished now. 

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-07-01T19:48:57Z

ChristophNoack: Update /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-07-01 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Result: Two weeks period will be kept, since it has been once already extended to two weeks because of that reason. 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
**2010-07-01: Jürgen will take this role. Thanks!

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-07-01T19:47:29Z

ChristophNoack: Update /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-07-01 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Result: Two weeks period will be kept, since it has been once already extended to two weeks because of that reason. 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Finalized
| Christoph
| 2010-07-01
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
**2010-07-01: Jürgen will take over. Thanks!
*Next steps: Christoph will update the wiki to add Jürgen to the list. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-06-30T21:45:28Z

ChristophNoack: Updates (small) /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-07-01 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=01&month=07&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-06-30 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.
*The bounty program is up and running. Two projects are already assigned. We will review the program after 2-3 finished bounties to analyze and to improve the process and how it works in general.
*AI is done!

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Stalled 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-30 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
**2010-06-30: Still ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-30
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to officially step in. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Agenda

2010-06-28T19:58:44Z

ChristophNoack: Update /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-06-10 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=06&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-06-10 
|
*proposal had been presented on March 30th and agreed on 
*Martin to prepare announcement on discuss before next meeting 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship 
| Finalized 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Original topic: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC. We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program had been worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members were asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23. Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor joined the discussion to work on a proposal.
*The OpenOffice.org Internship Programme has been officially announced on several channels, e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=418 a mail on the announce-list].
*Result: In the CC meeting it has been decided to mark this item "finalized".

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-28
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Overview: See current state of the election [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**Current Phase: Voting 
*Question: There has been a comment by the community whether the voting period should be extended due to the holiday season. Any comments? 
*Next steps: Waiting for the voting to be finished (by time). 

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-08 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-07#1
| Do not promote proprietary software through the OpenOffice.org extensions library
| Rejected
|   (none)
| 2010-05-20
|
*Source: User "Juca" added this item 2010-05-07.
*OpenOffice.org is free software, but some of the extensions it offers to the users are proprietary. OpenOffice.org extensions library should not promote proprietary extensions. 
*Result: The Council already discussed this issue due to a request by the FSF. The reply can be found [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=417 here].

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to step in. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-06-24T21:42:24Z

ChristophNoack: Update intro mail thb and updates project leads /* Product Development Representative */

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} 
{{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2651 Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27338 Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org]
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2654 Updates mail on constituency (voters) list on discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*Announcement mail on dev@openoffice.org
*Voting invitation was sent to the constituency via private mail.
*(Todo: Voting reminder ...)

|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27425 Introduction Mail] 
| ''none''
| ''none''
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27389 Introduction Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Results 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>

== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-06-21T20:24:22Z

ChristophNoack: added intro mail to andba /* Product Development Representative */

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} 
{{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2651 Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27338 Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org]
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
| ''none''
|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none yet''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27389 Introduction Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Results 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>

== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-06-17T21:22:46Z

ChristophNoack: Added links to mails /* Product Development Representative */

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} 
{{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*[http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2651 Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org]
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27338 Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org]
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
| ''none''
|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none yet''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none yet''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Results 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>

== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-06-16T21:14:34Z

ChristophNoack: Added new dates and first information on introduction phase /* Product Development Representative */

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} 
{{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| 2010-06-16 ... 2010-06-23, 24:00 UTC 
|
*todo: Information mail to the nominees and discuss@council.openoffice.org
*todo: Introduction and discussion thread at dev@native-lang.openoffice.org
*For the replies of the nominees, please see "Introduction Mail".'' ''

|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| 2010-06-24 ... 2010-07-08, 24:00 UTC 
| ''none''
|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|}

 

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Results 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>

== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

User Experience/Events/LinuxTag2010

2010-06-15T20:42:35Z

ChristophNoack: Updated, added pictures

{{User_Experience}} [[Image:UX JoinUs small.png|center]]

== Informal Meeting "FOSS and Usability" / Informelles Treffen "Freie Software und Usability" ==

'''Note:''' ''Italic'' text is some kind of German translation, since the LinuxTag will take place in Germany.

An informal meeting to share thoughts, experiences and other information covering the topics Usability and User Experience in the Free Software world. The meeting is organized by Björn from OpenUsability.org and Christoph from the OpenOffice.org User Experience Team.

You should participate if you are interested in: integrating User Centered Development into the development of your FOSS project, wanting to add your UX expertise to a FOSS project, wondering how to take benefits out of community work with real users, some usability tips for your FLOSS project, ...

Well, join us!

''Ein informelles Treffen, um Gedanken, Erfahrungen und andere Informationen in Bezug auf Usability (Gebrauchstauglichkeit, Benutzungsfreundlichkeit) in der Freien-Software-Welt auszutauschen. Das Treffen wird von Björn von OpenUsability.org sowie Christoph vom OpenOffice.org User Experience Team organisiert. ''

''Du solltes mitmachen, wenn Du an einem der folgenden Themen Interesse hast: Integrieren des nutzerzentrierten Entwicklungsprozesses in Dein Freies-Software-Projekt, Beitragen als UX-Experte in FOSS-Projekten, Nutzen der Erkenntnisse aus Community-Arbeit mit "echten" Anwendern, Erhalten von Usability-Tipps für Dein Projekt, ... ''

''Na dann los!''

{| class="prettytable"
|-
| Picture / ''Bild''
| Description / ''Beschreibung''
| Participation / ''Teilnahme''
|-
| [[Image:User Christoph Noack.png|130px]]
|
'''Christoph Noack'''

Co-Lead [http://ux.openoffice.org OpenOffice.org User Experience]

I am working since a rather long time for OpenOffice.org and I have strong interestes in making something easy and pleasent to use. So I am very interested in all people who have the same goals ... or at least have interest in what we do. See you :-)

''Ich arbeite seit einiger Zeit für OpenOffice.org und habe ein starkes Interesse, dass Dinge gut zu benutzen sind und einfach Spaß machen. Tja, und deswegen bin ich an Kontakten mit Leuten interessiert, die die gleichen Ziele haben ... oder am Thema selbst interessiert sind. Bis bald also :-)''

| yes / ''ja''
|-
| [[Image:Apliki Bjoernbalazs.jpg|130px]]
|
'''Björn Balazs''' 

[http://www.OpenUsability.org OpenUsability.org], [http://www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com], [http://www.Apliki.de Apliki.de]

At OpenUsability.org we are actively working to bring together FOSS and Usability. I am looking forward to share experiences with you and to help making the products of this world a little more friendly... 

|   yes / ''ja''
|-
| 
|
'''Liz Matthis'''

OOo User Experience and Marketing

| yes
|-
| 
|
'''Lars Übernickel'''

Lars is software developer working on a new printing experience for Linux desktops. You may be interested in his talk on Thursday: [http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/de/program/freies-vortragsprogramm/mittwoch/vortragsdetails.html?talkid=265 The Common Printing Dialog].

| arrived late :-) 
|-
|
| ''... and some more!''
|
|}

== Place and Date/ Ort und Zeit ==

Please note that the given information is preliminary. According to the organizers, the schedule might still change.

''Derzeit sind die nachfolgenden Informationen noch vorläufig. Entsprechend der Angaben der Organisatioren kann sich der Zeitplan noch ändern.''

{| class="prettytable"
|-
| Title / ''Titel''
| Informal Meeting "FOSS and Usability" 
|-
| Building / Gebäude
| Hall / ''Halle'' 7, 1a 
|-
| Room / ''Raum''
| [http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/uploads/media/Mietr%C3%A4ume_Plan.pdf Workshop Room "New York 2"] 
|-
| Date and Time / ''Datum und Zeit''
|
Friday, 2010-06-11, 9:00 ... 12:00 AM

Freitag, 2010-06-11, 9.00 ... 12:00 Uhr

|}

== The Meetup in Retrospect ==

The nine participants that came to the meetup at the Linux Tag in Berlin on Friday June 11 introduced themselves and then said why they are interested in this meeting. The lively, informative and enlightening discussion that ensued lasted for more than three hours, and even for some throughout the rest of the day. The discussion took place in English, but also sometimes in German. A summary of the discussion points will be posted on this page soon.

If you have any questions or comments, feel free to mail "ChristophNoack at openoffice dot org" or "liz at openoffice dot org" or just add your additional feedback to this page.

'''Many thanks to everyone who participated!''' 

{| cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1" border="0" width="100%"
|-
| [[Image:UX LinuxTag2010 Meeting 1.JPG|thumb|center]]
| [[Image:UX LinuxTag2010 Meeting 2.JPG|thumb|center]]
| [[Image:UX LinuxTag2010 Meeting 3.JPG|thumb|center]]
|}

== Further Information / Weitere Informationen ==

*OpenOffice.org auf dem LinuxTag 2010 (Page by the Germanophone Project): [[DE/LinuxTag2010|LinuxTag2010]] 
*[http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en.html Official LinuxTag 2010 website (English)] / [http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/de.html ''Officielle LinuxTag 2010 Webseite (Deutsch)'']

File:UX LinuxTag2010 Meeting 3.JPG

2010-06-15T20:38:53Z

ChristophNoack:

File:UX LinuxTag2010 Meeting 2.JPG

2010-06-15T20:38:42Z

ChristophNoack:

File:UX LinuxTag2010 Meeting 1.JPG

2010-06-15T20:38:28Z

ChristophNoack:

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-06-13T20:36:19Z

ChristophNoack: Added reminder mail lin

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} 
{{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done on [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27290 Reminder mail] for the nomination on dev@openoffice.org 

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|}

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Results 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>

== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Community Council/Elections/2010-06

2010-06-13T19:54:53Z

ChristophNoack: Added Nomination and Confirmation of Andreas Bartel

{{Documentation/Caution|Please '''do not change this page''' unless you are on the Community Council election team. Please send feedback or questions to the commissary and the observers named below. Thanks!}} 
{{Community_Council}}

== General ==

This page collects information on the Community Council election process for the seats listed below. For more information on why this has to be done, please visit the [http://council.openoffice.org Community Council] web site. 

*The election process started: '''June 2010'''
*The whole election process is currently: '''active''' 
*The elections are based on the current council charter: [http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html Council Charter (v1.2)] 
*The election process follows the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Council/Items/Election_Process&oldid=169223 Community Council Bylaws (Election Process, v1.1)] 

== Representatives to be Elected ==

The following representatives are going to be elected: 

*[[#Product_Development_Representative|Product Development Representative]] 

== Election Process ==

=== Product Development Representative ===

Outline: 

*Number of seats: One 
*Reason for the election: Successor for John McCreesh who already left the council 
*Constituency: Category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (accepted and incubator) but not from the native-lang category or l10n project. 

 

Responsibilities:

*Commissary: Christoph Noack 
*Observer: Sophie Gautier 
*Observer: Mechtilde Stehmann 
*Observer: Drew Jensen 

 

Actions and time line ...

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Description of the Action 
! scope="col" | Time Range 
! scope="col" | Further Information 
|-
| Announcement of elections 
| 2010-05-28 
|
*[http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27208 Announcement mail] on dev@openoffice.org

|-
| Nomination of the candidates 
| 2010-06-01 ... 2010-06-15, 24:00 UTC 
|
*Nomination to be done at [mailto:dev@openoffice.org dev@openoffice.org] 
*Reminder mail for the nomination (todo)

|-
| Introduction and discussion on candidates 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|-
| Voting by the constituancy 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|-
| Publishing of the voting results 
| ''to be defined'' 
| ''none''
|}

 

Candidates and results for this seat ... 

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! Picture
! Candidate Name
! Nomination Mail
! Confirmation Mail 
! Introduction Mail
! Voting Result 
! Comments 
|-
| [[Image:Thorsten.jpg]]
| Thorsten Behrens
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27209 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27215 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|-
| [[Image:AndreasBartel.jpg|130px]]
| Andreas Bartel
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=66294 Nomination Mail]
| [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=27274 Confirmation Mail]
| ''none''
| ''none''
| ''none''
|}

== Overall Results ==

{| class="prettytable"
|-
! scope="col" | Representative''' '''
! scope="col" | Candidate Name 
! scope="col" | Voting Results 
! scope="col" | Comments 
|-
| Product Development Representative 
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
| ''none yet''
|}

== Items ==

=== Announcement Mail Text ===

Subject:
<pre>Community Council Elections 2010-06: Announcement and Nomination
</pre>
Body Text:
<pre>Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Community Council, I would like to announce the new round of elections for the Council and start the process by asking the OpenOffice.org Community members to nominate those they think would best contribute both to the Council and to OpenOffice.org. You may also nominate yourself.

NOMINATION

Consider doing that. Or nominate someone you think has been particularly valuable for the project; he or she does not need to be a developer! This cycle, like the previous ones, is important. OpenOffice.org is ten this year and the eyes of the world are looking upon us with eagerness to see how we work with business, government, education, and individuals. Your voice, your input, your experience is needed to take OpenOffice.org into its next decade.

REPRESENTATIVE

Several categories of OpenOffice.org contributors make up the Community Council, for a total of ten persons. Those categories cover the breadth of OpenOffice.org. All but one, the permanent Oracle representative (Stefan Taxhet), are elected by community vote. This time, the term of John McCreesh reached its end and his seat Product Development Representative is up for election. On behalf of all, I'd like to thank John for his long and immensely productive contributions to the Community Council!

Any community member can be nominated for the seat of the Product Development Representative. Nevertheless, the voting itself will be done by the corresponding constituency – according to your role in the community. The people representing the constituency will receive an email when the voting phase starts.

DETAILS

The nomination phase will last till 2010-06-15 (24:00 UTC). Please use the mailing list for the Product Development Representative to nominate the community members: dev@openoffice.org

Nominees, if you agree, then you need to confirm your nomination on the mailing list mentioned above within the nomination phase.

A commissary will help coordinate the election process, and I'll serve in that role. The observers will be Sophie Gautier, Mechtilde Stehmann, and Drew Jensen, as with the last elections. Thanks to them!

Details on this election cycle and a link to the current Election Process Bylaws can be found on the dedicated wiki page. This page will be updated continuously to reflect the current status: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-06

This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists as detailed in the Election Process Bylaw: dev@openoffice.org, discuss@openoffice.org, and project-leads@openoffice.org. Project leads, please consider to forward this information to your project specific lists!

THOUGHTS

Again, consider nominating yourself or someone equally interesting. We need energetic contributors who understand, and fully support the OpenOffice.org project and have a sense of its dynamic and potential. The world is changing - we know that - and to make sure it changes for the better, join us on the Community Council.

Thank you all!

Christoph
</pre>

== Open Points ==

*Add "Lessons Learned" section after 2010-03 --> Add general hint for the project leads to all their project members, so everybody is informed accordingly.

Renaissance:Presentations

2010-06-13T16:45:16Z

ChristophNoack: Added LinuxTag 2010 presentation /* Presentations about Project Renaissance */

{{User Experience Community}}

== Monthly Project Renaissance Status Update ==
===2010===
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/7/74/Renaissance-status-2010-06-03.odp May 2010] - Status of Thinning Out Impress
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/6/64/Renaissance-status-2010-05-06.pdf April 2010] - Status of Thinning Out Impress
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/7/78/Renaissance-status-2010-04-01.pdf March 2010] - Status of Thinning Out Impress
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/a/aa/Renaissance-status-2010-02-25.odp February 2010] - Status of Thinning Out Impress
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/9/93/Renaissance-status-2010-01-28.odp January 2010] - Status of Thinning Out Impress

===2009===
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/ff/Renaissance-status-2009-12-03.odp November/December 2009] - Research and Design Phase: Thinning out the current Impress user interface for OOo 3.3
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/8/83/Renaissance-status-2009-10-29.odp October 2009] - Research and Design Phase: Thinning out the current user interface, decision making based on ...
* September: See [[Renaissance/FAQ#Interview|Frequently Asked Questions Interview]] instead of a classic presentation
* August: No status update due to vacation
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/4/42/Renaissance-status-2009-07-30.odp July 2009] - Design Phase: Prototyping and outlook
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/e/ec/Renaissance-status-2009-06-25.odp June 2009] - Design Phase: Prototyping and outlook
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/d/dd/Renaissance-status-2009-05-29.pdf May 2009] - Research Phase: Wrap-Up and outlook
* April 2009 - No status update due to call for UI proposals in full progress. Blogs:[http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/this_is_your_chance_to]| [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/change_impress_to_improve_all]| [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/ideation_of_a_new_ui]|[http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/ui_design_proposals_ready_for]| [http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_ui_last_chance_to]|
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/8/8d/Renaissance-status-2009-03-26-1.odp March 2009] - Research Phase: Wrap-Up and outlook
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/1/1c/Renaissance-status-2009-02-26.odp February 2009] - Research Phase: Know and understand OpenOffice.org users to better meet their needs
* [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/1/11/Renaissance-status-2009-01-30_wiki.odp January 2009] - Research Phase: Know and understand OpenOffice.org users to better meet their needs

== Presentations about Project Renaissance ==

*June 2010 - Presentation "Project Renaissance in The Year 2010", [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/8/80/2010-06-11_Presentation_Noack_OOoRenaissance2010_LinuxTag2010.odp OpenOffice.org Impress], [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/2/20/2010-06-11_Presentation_Noack_OOoRenaissance2010_LinuxTag2010.pdf PDF] - at the LinuxTag 2010 in Berlin, Germany
*November 2009 - OOo Con 2009 Renaissance Status Presentation [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/0/05/Renaissance_Status_OOoCon_2009.pdf PDF]
*September 2009 - Florian Effenberger (OpenOffice.org Marketing Co-Lead) interviews Andreas Bartel (Renaissance Project). The video is available on the page [[Renaissance/FAQ#Interview|Frequently Asked Questions, Interview]].
*June 2009 - Presentation "Projekt Renaissance - Auf dem Weg zu einem neuen Benutzungskonzept für OpenOffice.org" (German) [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/9/9c/2009-06-26_Pr%C3%A4sentation_Noack_OOoRenaissance_MINIMIZED-SIZE.odp OpenOffice.org Impress, Minimized File Size with Limited Graphics Quality], [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/1/18/2009-06-26_Pr%C3%A4sentation_Noack_OOoRenaissance.pdf PDF] - at the [http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en.html LinuxTag] 2009 in Berlin, Germany
*April 2009 - [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/1/16/OOoRenaissanceEM0.odp Projekt Renaissance - Entwicklung einer neuen Benutzeroberfläche für OpenOffice.org] - Liz's presentation of Project Renaissance at OpenExpo in Berne, Switzerland, April 2, 2009 (in German)
*March 2009 - Presentation "Projekt Renaissance - Auf dem Weg zu einem neuen Benutzungskonzept für OpenOffice.org" (German) [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/0/00/2009-03-08_Renaissance_CeBIT_Presentation_NoPersonalNotes.odp OpenOffice.org Impress], [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/c/c8/2009-03-08_Renaissance_CeBIT_Presentation_NoPersonalNotes.pdf PDF] - at the [http://www.cebit.de/homepage_e CeBIT] Trade Fair 2009 in Hannover, Germany
*November 2008 - [http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2008/programme/friday_1447.pdf OOo Con 2008: Numbers, Numbers, Numbers, or how data helps to improve the OOo User Interface] - Numbers, Numbers, Numbers, or how data helps to improve the OOo User Interface
*November 2008 - [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/4/4d/Numbers-numbers-numbers-WUD-HH-2008.pdf Presentation at World Usability Day 2008 in Hamburg (in German)] - Presentation at [http://www.worldusabilityday.de/hamburg/index.html World Usability Day 2008] in Hamburg (in German)

Community Council/Agenda

2010-06-08T21:06:50Z

ChristophNoack: Updated my items /* Agenda and Work Status */

{{Community_Council}}
== Upcoming Meeting ==

Date: 2010-06-10 (Derived from the [[Community Council/Calendar|Community Council Meeting Calendar]])

Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=06&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 18.30 UTC] (click on the link to show world clock times)

Location: IRC

== Agenda and Work Status ==

The following table represents the agenda of the upcoming meeting and the current work status of topics / action items. Working with this table is described in the [[Community Council/Meeting Guidelines|Community Council Meeting Guidelines]].

{| class="prettytable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" | ID 
! scope="col" | Topic 
! scope="col" | Status 
! scope="col" | Responsible 
! scope="col" | Last Update 
! scope="col" | Details 
|-
| 0 
| List of Action Items of previous meeting for approval 
| ''none'' 
| all 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Meeting minutes of previous meeting at [[Community Council/Minutes#2010-04-29|Minutes#2010-04-29]] 
*Result: Meeting minutes have been approved in the CC meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#2 
| Refresh Incubator and NLC Project processes 
| Accepted 
| Louis 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*No new proposal available. Louis will work on that. 
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting.

|-
| 2010-03-04#3 
| Publicize the open slot at the start of the CC meetings 
| Accepted 
| Martin 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*According to Martin, the current proposal has to be reworked. It is being worked on. 
*It has been clarified to provide this "open slot" on a regular basis (e.g. monthly, or each CC meeting). 
*Proposal: Martin will provide a new proposal in the next few days. 

|-
| 2010-03-04#4 
| Work with Clayton on estimates for Developing developers documentation 
| Accepted 
| Jürgen 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*New proposal has been sent to the list by Jürgen ([http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2505 here]). The basic idea is to provide bounties instead of contracting one writer. 
*For any proposal, the development budget may require an upgrade. Matthias, Stefan and Martin will provide a proposal (Cor will join, see 2010-03-04#5).
*Juergen talked with Clayton and they will come up with some drafts for the first bounties and in relation to the drafts with a set of basic rules/guideline that are necessary to run such a bounty program (see [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2540 mail on council-discuss]). 
*Next steps:
**Juergen will summarize some information on a wiki page. 
**Budget discussion will be continued in next CC meeting. It is assumed that there will be more information on how much will be provided for each work package.

*No real update, simply because the lack of time
**Clayton and i are working on a wiki page to present/describe the idea of bounties and to present the first 4-5 bounty ideas. I expect that we can publish it soon, currently we make slow progress because of vacation or general unavailability.
*We have prepared the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Bounties initial wiki] page (still a draft) and have described the first two bounties. More bounties will coming soon ... We already have some more ideas but we want to talk with some people about it before we put it as a bounty in the wiki. Important at this point was to define the basic rules and conditions for the bounty program. If there are no complaints we plan to announce the bounty program next week.

|-
| 2010-03-04#5 
| OpenOffice.org Internship 
| Finalized 
| Cor, John 
| 2010-05-20 
|
*Original topic: Talk to Google about 2010 SoC. We have been informed that Google refuses projects from OpenOffice.org. It had been decided before to go for the own "OpenOffice.org Internship" in that situation.
*A draft for the internship program had been worked out ([[OpenOffice.org Internship|here]]). All CC members were asked to comment this proposal on the CC mailing list before Tuesday March 23. Budget may be possible issue, since required for here and for documentation (AI 2010-03-04#4). Cor joined the discussion to work on a proposal.
*The OpenOffice.org Internship Programme has been officially announced on several channels, e.g. [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=418 a mail on the announce-list].
*Result: In the CC meeting it has been decided to mark this item "finalized".

|-
| 2010-03-04#6 
| Talk to Education Project Leads about structure and remit 
| Accepted 
| John, Cor 
| 2010-03-18 
|
*Cor to prepare a draft and present it to the Community Council. Nothing done yet.
*Next steps: Will be discussed in next meeting. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#7 
| Talk to NLC about ‘NLC of the Month’ for OOo Newsletter 
| Accepted 
| Charles 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*Inteview with the Irish team has been done. No further information available by his deputy (Leif). 
*Next steps: Charles has scheduled the next project to be interviewed (the Sinhala project). He would also like to discuss how to extend the media impact of these interviews. 

|-
| 2010-04-01#1 
| Community situation 
| Accepted 
| All 
| 2010-04-01 
|
*What do we see, where are we, what are we going to do about it.

|-
| 2010-04-29#1
| CC Election (Product Development Representative)
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*In the election [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 2010-03], one of the three roles hasn't been confirmed. We'll re-do the whole election cycle for the "Product Development Representative". 
*Status:
**Christoph created a wiki page for the elections: [[Community Council/Elections/2010-06|2010-06]].
**2010-05-28: Elections have been announced
**2010-08-06: One person has been nominated and agreed, an additional person has been nominated.
*Next steps: Christoph will send a reminder to nominate community members.

|-
| 2010-04-29#2 
|
Missing OOo desktop presence

| Accepted 
| Christoph, Stefan
| 2010-06-08 
|
*Request by a community member to discuss / decide the following question: "''Why should OpenOffice.org give away it's presence on the user's desktop - the main place to be recognized by the people - only to support the "application independency" of ODF?'' A Sun employee stated "The idea of supporting ODF as a application independent open standard is the priority." This leads / will lead to changes with regard to the document and application icon design. The current ODF "only" icons seem to be undesired by the community. Original request to the CC on ooo-discuss: [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65958 initial mail (2010-04-14)], [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=discuss&from=2361081&to=2361081&count=28&by=thread&first=1&windowSize=1000 full mail thread]
*Discussion:
**2010-04-29: Some members stated that the request should be "more actionable" and "better framed" to be decided by the community. Proposal has been made to forward the request to council-discuss to propose how to proceed.
**2010-05-02: Christoph forwarded the [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2564 request to the CC mailing list]. A first discussion took place.
**2010-05-20: Intensive discussion about the request and how to address it. Stefan and Christoph agreed to work out a request to the ODF Icons team to iterate on the design and/or processes. Maybe a "refreshed" team which may provide an agreed-upon proposal. Stefan stated that there shouldn't be any dependency to the next/other releases.
**2010-06-08: Some opinions have been requested by people who initially worked in the branding initiative. Either there isn't feedback yet, or the people aren't currently available to support the i-Team. Ongoing ...
*Next steps: Christoph will formulate a proposal to be discussed with Stefan. This will be presented to the CC on the CC discuss mailing list. 

|-
| 2010-05-07#1
| Do not promote proprietary software through the OpenOffice.org extensions library
| Rejected
|   (none)
| 2010-05-20
|
*Source: User "Juca" added this item 2010-05-07.
*OpenOffice.org is free software, but some of the extensions it offers to the users are proprietary. OpenOffice.org extensions library should not promote proprietary extensions. 
*Result: The Council already discussed this issue due to a request by the FSF. The reply can be found [http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=417 here].

|-
| 2010-05-20#1
| Next Council Coordinator
| Accepted
| Christoph
| 2010-06-08
|
*There is a need to elect a new Council Coordinator. Time seems to be up for Christoph according to the [http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Council_coordinator Council Wiki Page].
*Status:
**2010-05-20: Due to time constraints, the item has been skipped in the CC meeting. 
**2010-05-27: Christoph sent [http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=2615 a request] to the CC discuss mailing list. No reply yet... 
*Next steps: Christoph waits for somebody to step in. 

|}

 

== Minutes of Previous Meetings ==

To be found [[Community Council/Minutes|here]].

[[Category:Community_Council]]